Senate Votes For Retroactive Immunity: Updated with Petition
By Nicole Belle Monday Feb 11, 2008 2:48pmCan't say I'm surprised, though it is a sad statement in and of itself that anticipating that our Congress will not do the morally right thing for the citizens is unsurprising, but hey, welcome to BushWorld.
TPM:
Let there be no doubt: a majority of senators, and a large number of Democrats, think the telecoms should not suffer the hazard of accountability for cooperating with the administration's warrantless wiretapping program. Sen. Chris Dodd (D-CT) took to the floor last night to give a speech asking, "This is our defining question, the question that confronts every generation: The rule of law, or the rule of men?" The resounding answer: the rule of men.
The Senate voted on the Dodd/Feingold amendment, which would have stripped retroactive immunity from the surveillance bill just now. The final tally was 31-67; crossing over to vote nay were Sens. Jay Rockefeller (D-WV), Evan Bayh (D-IA), Daniel Inouye (D-HI), Tim Johnson (D-SD), Herb Kohl (D-WI), Mary Landrieu (D-LA), Claire McCaskill (D-MO), Mark Pryor (D-AR), Blanche Lincoln (D-AR), Dianne Feinstein (D-CA), Ken Salazar (D-CO), Tom Carper (D-DE), Barbara Mikulski (D-MD), Jim Webb (D-VA), Ben Nelson (D-NE), Bill Nelson (D-FL), Kent Conrad (D-ND), and Debbie Stabenow (D-MI). Update: Here's the official tally.
Of the three presidential candidates in the Senate, Obama voted against immunity; McCain voted for it and Clinton was not present to vote. Jason Rosenbaum at The Seminal:
I just got off a conference call with Chris Dodd. Not surprisingly, he said he was "disappointed" by the outcome of the votes today. He said, "We’ve just sanctioned the single largest invasion of privacy in American history."
***We're not done yet. FireDogLake has a petition to pressure the House to stand firm behind the RESTORE act. (link fixed)
Glenn Greenwald has a good wrap up of the day's events.
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This would be fine if we were going after the ones who ordered them to break the law; namely booshco.
Next time I re-up my cell phone, I go with a company that told georgieboy to fuck himself....
What do you expect from a corporate controlled oligarchy. You are foolish if you believe you REALLY live in a democracy. Machiavelli outlined the method - pay attention to the old forms and traditions of the past, glorify them, and make your changes and the people will not notice.
The people will either capitulate, or they will resort to Kirkwood, MO type reactions. You cannot negotiate with the elites who have transformed this nation to a soft-styled authoritarian state.
Every senator that voted against Chris Dodd's amendment to strip telcom immunity is a traitor!
Call your senator and tell let them have it! Bloody big business traitors!
Yep, our only hope is that the U.S. House(opposed to granting immunity to the telecom
industry) will stick by it's guns and NOT bend over like the Senate did. I see little
likelihood that a "compromise" can or will be worked out between the two Houses, so
unfortunately, looks as if "our" elected officials are going to once again disappoint
us.
This makes me feel kind of ill.
Why oh why am i not suprised.
Should anyone be suprised
Treasonous. And Clinton couldn't even be bothered to vote. Dereliction of duty.
There is something inherently wrong with a supposed democracy that has to publicly say they need to spy on their own electorate. I mean, most people assume they do anyway, but to publicly bring this to a frontburner, one has to wonder why they did it.
Hillary was too busy deciding which journalists should lose their jobs for insulting her family. She does have her priorities.
MargeAggedon @ 6:
I know what you mean. I sure do.
this is the last straw.
clinton is a fucking bitch
i have lost all my faith in the democratic party and will now
either not vote in the 2008 election or will vote repug since there
seems to be only one party.
fuck congress and this whole bunch of entrenched assholes
You have to expect the Rs to go along with BushCO on this but the number of Ds that voted Nay is astounding. If you live in a state with a Senator who voted Nay, pick up your phone and let them have it. They believe that their jobs are safe because of the Rs falling apart. We can and should replace the whole lot of em.
I am a 82 year old Democratic but I think they have lost my vote. I will be looking for a third party and give my money only to people that think the way I due.
Mark @ 4:
Fuckin A right!!!
These turncoats have totally sold out to big business...it's time we remind them who they work for.
NO VOTES FOR TURNCOATS!!
"The final tally was 31-67; crossing over to vote nay were Sens. Jay Rockefeller (D-WV), Evan Bayh (D-IA), Daniel Inouye (D-HI), Tim Johnson (D-SD), Herb Kohl (D-WI), Mary Landrieu (D-LA), Claire McCaskill (D-MO), Mark Pryor (D-AR), Blanche Lincoln (D-AR), Dianne Feinstein (D-CA), Ken Salazar (D-CO), Tom Carper (D-DE), Barbara Mikulski (D-MD), Jim Webb (D-VA), Ben Nelson (D-NE), Bill Nelson (D-FL), Kent Conrad (D-ND), and Debbie Stabenow (D-MI)."
So we picked up about six votes, beyond the 25 that are fully-loyal.
That list of betraying Dem Senators? That's your failure to convict during impeachment, right there. They have the 67 votes -- we have the 31.
Maybe with this YET AGAIN confirmation of the Senate sistuation people can back off their hatred of Speaker Pelosi a bit, understanding her decision a bit better than perhaps they did yesterday.
JasonS @ 8:
Which position do you dislike the most? The 18 Dems who crossed over the aisle and
voted "Nay" with the Repugs or the 2 Dems(Clinton & Graham) who did not even vote?
Passing laws that retro-actively exonerate corporations from criminal activity?
What. The. Fudge.
Since when is it possible to make past crimes legal? This is such utter rubbish, yet a crime bosses dream...
Who says crime doesn't pay?
This action glaringly illustrates that America is run by criminals and that the biggest crooks are the (s)elected politicians, judges and associated captains of business.
How can we blame Bush when the Dems roll over every time. All of the constitutional rights we lost was with the consent of the Dems.
Please note that Hillary, in her effort to never offend anyone, simply didn't vote.
Cocksuckers!!!! I tried to get my reps attention on this shit... Total fucking waste of time and energy... Cocksuckers!!! Every damned one of them to voted for this bullshit! That's it, that's all I got to say on it at this point.... Delete or not.. Don't give a shit about that either!!!!! JD
FTW!
dadams @ 12 "this is the last straw. clinton is a fucking bitch"
Her vote wouldn't have saved this, and calling her a 'bitch' is a sexist and bigoted behavior.
"i have lost all my faith in the democratic party"
Well whoopty goddamned do.
"and will now either not vote in the 2008 election or will vote repug"
Say no more, you have just canceled out your entire attitude.
Go on, go vote for the Republicans. Your kind of help we don't need.
Paul in LA @ 16:
I'm too busy hating Harry to worry about Nancy. Get back to me on this later.
dadams @ 12:
jack damage @ 20:
Your "reps"? You don't have but two SENATORS to inspect for this shit. Your 'rep' had nothing to do with it.
And calling them 'cocksuckers' is sexist and homophobic bigotry.
Any Senator or Representative that supports retroactive legal immunity for the criminal telecom corporations is a traitor to our Bill of Rights, a traitor to our Constitution and a traitor to America.
Wasn't Dodd going to filibuster (again)? Or will that come later?
i hope this gets out about hillary so the
voters realize she is as careless with the constitution
as bush.
i hope the remaining primaries show an overwhelming
vote in favor of obama. clinton has shown her corporate face again
Paul in LA @ 22:
thank you and fuck you too.
Oh GOD do I remember all the crap I took from Dem Party hacks for suggesting that the Dems can not and will not fix any of this ever after Nov 2006...
GUESS WHAT? Dems will change NOTHING after Nov 2008 either...
The USA is a one party state with two corrupt factions.
Wake up.
Senator Bill Nelson of Florida voted with the repubs. I can scream and yell all I want, he just doesn't give a damn what I and many others think. He used to be one of the semi good guys but something happened. He's one of "them" now.
Once you say that corporations can break the law at the government's request with no warrant required, you have allowed them to act above the law. Lawlessness in corporations is not good. Think of the future dark possibilities.
fwacbar @ 2:
Good idea. Anyone know which companies told Bush to fuck off? They get my business.
FWIW, that should read Evan Bayh (D-IN), not (D-IA). I wouldn't want the good folks of Iowa to be blamed for our wayward Senator.
How do the Clinton supporters explain that she didn't even bother to show up on an issue that has been CENTRAL in the liberal blogosphere for months. She didn't want to go against her corporate masters but didn't want to piss of liberals. This is the triangulation that will supposedly "lead" Democrats back to the white house. Thank God she has all that experience, maybe next time she can show up and vote.
i intention is to stir up all the rage i feel
right now. this is not personal to anyone.
i just feel like venting. some of you feel
inclinded to correct everyone's opinions
to reflect their own. just state yours and
bugger off. thanks again
On days like this, I like to come home from work and sit down, have a bloody mary and blast Nine inch nails all over the house.
Johnny2Bad @ 359:
Nice line, but not the same.
Paul in LA @ 137:
The thing you will notice is that federal officials have no specific connection to any state - like the vice president or secretary of state. Senators DO NOT fall into this category. They have very specific connections to ONE state - and no other states.
Senators ARE NOT federal officials. Chertoff is a federal official. Senators are statewide elected officials serving in Washington in the senate. Senators may have some functions connections to the federal government, but they owe their very existence to the states in which they were elected. They are statewide elected officials like the governor. The governor serves in the state capital while senators serve in Washington.
As statewide elected officials, senators are subject to the state constitution. Senators are recallable if their state constitution includes recall provisions for statewide officials.
The better question is - are senators impeachable. If they are federal officials (which they are not) they are impeachable. If they are statewide elected officials - they are recallable. Your assertion that they are beyond reach once sworn is hogwash in any case.
Johnny2Bad@359: McGovern drew almost all his support from the far left of the democratic party. Obama/Hillary are drawing their support from middle of the road dems and the progressive left of the party. Apples and oranges.
I am totally not surprised, at all.
The fact of it is, there are two choices here.
1. Fight them physically to get our country back.
2. Don't fight and see more of what there has been over the last 7 years until you are so weak from hunger and so poor you have nothing left to fight with.
As a resident of Illinois, I'm proud that both of my Senators got it right.
This makes me want to puke in my mouth. BETRAYED AGAIN. Fuck it. I'm done. Hey, all of you goddamn cowards that voted for this... go fuck yourselves.
Obama showed, Hillary didn't. Hillary didnt voice a fucking word about this, and her silence is deafening. She could have put her leverage to work. She didnt.
Any Hillary Progressives should hang their fucking heads in shame. Any women who want better rights- will this woman sell you out the way she did Progressives?
Edwards is out, so she might as well run back to the right.
and almost 20 chickenshit/bought and paid for Democrats joined the piece of shit Republicans.
Goddamn it all to hell, are you fucking fed up yet?
Sens. Jay Rockefeller (D-WV), Evan Bayh (D-IA), Daniel Inouye (D-HI), Tim Johnson (D-SD), Herb Kohl (D-WI), Mary Landrieu (D-LA), Claire McCaskill (D-MO), Mark Pryor (D-AR), Blanche Lincoln (D-AR), Dianne Feinstein (D-CA), Ken Salazar (D-CO), Tom Carper (D-DE), Barbara Mikulski (D-MD), Jim Webb (D-VA), Ben Nelson (D-NE), Bill Nelson (D-FL), Kent Conrad (D-ND), and Debbie Stabenow (D-MI).
DEFEAT THEM. DO NOT VOTE FOR THEM. EVER. IF THEY PUT MICKEY MOUSE UP AGAINST THEM, DON'T VOTE FOR THEM.
They have sold your future down the river. Again. Wake up America, your government has Fucked you in the Ass with a baseball bat. Again.
you have the constitutional right to change your government. If the government makes peaceful change impossible, it will make violent change inevitable.
Welcome to the Paul in LA blog. How much do you suppose he gets paid to haunt crooks and liars?
Hey, Feinstein. Did you not get my four messages left at your fucking offices? Did you not get ALL of our messages? We said NO FUCKING IMMUNITY. YOU GODDAMNED TRAITOR. What kind of spell are you under, that you think this is okay? Are we going to have to pick up rifles to show you we're serious about our rights? All of you fuckwits on the right trading your Constitution for your "safety"... you'll be remembered with DISGUST by generations to come.
nohobear @ 369:
I'm still waiting for him to answer any of the questions I had. I guess I won't hold my breath.
Looks like many of the democrats elected during the 'dark ages' were closet republicans. After november, we need to follow FDL's example and try to replace the lot. These are not liberals, or progressives. We will not win back our Country with them in power.
diamondmc @ 354:
the Patriot who was most adamantly opposed to federal power was John Hancock.
Give me Liberty or Give me Death!!!
So the people we spent our hard-earned money and time on, McCaskill and Webb, have turned around, spat on us, and are probably laughing their asses off right now that we voted for them without vetting them as real progressives. Instead of what they really are: stealth Repubs.
Truth B Told @ 373:
All of them would be rolling over in their grave right now.
Honestly, I am finding it hard to see how people can get excited about Obama voting against telecom immunity. Sure it’s far far better than Hillary, but he could have actually led on this, by using his candidacy to mention this in public and get people riled up about it. He could have shamed all the gutless pols publicly.
Instead, all he did was cast a vote. Hardly the marks of a leader. A sheep can be taught to cast a vote. But I guess he's a better sheep than Hillary, at this point.
anon @ 362 "The thing you will notice is that federal officials have no specific connection to any state"
That's a false distinction.
- like the vice president or secretary of state. Senators DO NOT fall into this category. They have very specific connections to ONE state - and no other states.
"Senators ARE NOT federal officials."
You are wrong about that.
"the better question is - are senators impeachable. If they are federal officials (which they are not) they are impeachable. If they are statewide elected officials - they are recallable."
Of course Senators are impeachable. And, no, Senators CANNOT be recalled. Any state that offers such a supposed power has a court case, not a law. Once sworn in, the prerogatives of Congress override those of the state.
For instance,
And on the impeachment count, there is a controversy about the Constitutional definition of "civil officers." However, since the Constitution gives the power of REMOVAL from the Senate (or House) by the Senate (or House), impeachment is actually moot, since the only power of impeachment conviction is removal. So, whether or not they get an impeachment trial, the result would be the same.
Actual impeachments of only the following 17 federal officers have taken place. Of these, 13 were federal judges...one was a U.S. Senator (William Blount). ...
Officials subject to impeachment
The central question regarding the Constitutional dispute about the impeachment of members of the legislature is this: Are members of Congress "officers" of the United States? The Constitution grants to the House the power to impeach "The President, the Vice President, and all civil Officers of the United States." [5] Many believe firmly that Members of Congress are not "officers of the United States." [6]. Others, however, believe that Members are civil Officers and are subject to impeachment.
The 1799 impeachment of Senator William Blount of Tennessee stalled on the grounds that the Senate lacked jurisdiction over him. Because, in a separate action unrelated to the impeachment procedure, the Senate had already expelled Blount, the lack of jurisdiction may have been either because Blount was no longer a Senator, or because Senators are not "civil officers" of the federal government who are subject to impeachment. No other member of Congress has ever been impeached, although the Constitution does give authority to either house to expel members, which each has done on occasion, effectively removing the individual from functioning as a representative or senator.
Paul in LA @ 377:
Could you provide an example of a Senator's "very specific connection" to his or her state? Other than how they are referred to and where they might sit, plus traditions such as placing holds on judges that will be placed in their state, I can't think of anything. There's nothing in the Constitution. A Senator is a federal official that happens to come from a certain state. Period. End of story.
Sorry, cbolt2 @ 380, I'm not the person making that claim.
Anon @ 362 is your culprit.
(I suspect, however, you will find plenty of on the State-specific endowment of Senators in the Federalist Papers).
Dempublican Evan Bayh is from Indiana, not Iowa. Hillary would have voted the same way had she shown up for the vote. That is one more reason why Obama is now winning.
Paul in La@382: God your back running another screed. You still haven't answered any of the questions I asked from your last screed. You attack me for for a point of veiw, but you don't show any facts, or answer any questions when asked. You just go on with something else. Stand up for what you say, if you really believe any of the BS you run.
cbolt2 @ 380:
All Senators are part of the Federal Goverment. They are elected from each state to represent that states intrests within the frame work of the Federal goverment of the United States. They are one branch of the Federal Goverment, which is supposed to be one of the checks and balances.
clinton? a no show. did not vote.
if you need a nail in the coffin, there you fuckin' go.
just AMAZING...
.
R E M E M B E R ...
THEY HATE US
F O R ` O U R
F R E E D O M S
So to actuate a quicker "WIN" in this war of terrorism America participates in,
Congress has been deciding to give away our one and only guarantee of Life, Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness...
The People's Bill of Rights contained as part of the entire body of the Constitution of the United States of America.
Congress prefer to give up our Freedoms and Liberties so as to obtain a sense of security,
Is that what Americans deserve? We know how this is supposed to end...
So,
Just what does Congress support and defend IF NOT the Constitution of the USA?
.
Ryan From Portland @ 386:
NO DOUBT!!!
She was ABSENT!
Absent at a critical moment where America and Her People's Right were under direct assault.
Absent to stand up for America, Her People and Her Principles...
Absent to fight for the Constitutional Rights of her constituents back in NY -
Absent to demonstrate her fight and leadership of the People's Rights and Freedoms...
.
Maybe we can get Bill Clinton's buddy, attorney William Lerach, to sue the phone companies. (Can you sue from prison?)
.
U.S. Congressional Oath of Office:
P L E A S E ` N O T E :
This Oath of Office mentions HOW this obligation is to be taken ~
"... freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion..."
Makes it clear as to what the excuses Pelosi gives are concerning her "OFF THE TABLE" statement... NO?
.
Max-1 @ 388:
Careful, a bunch of people will jump all over you and say that the vote wasn't going to be close so she didn't need to vote. Even though that goes against the message that every person needs to do their part and you need to stand up for what you believe in. I guess we can have both "one person can make a difference" and "don't bother trying if you can't make a difference" operating at the same time. I guess everyone should have just voted for immunity since it didn't really matter. Right?
Roark77 @ 391:
The votes on this bill were known long, long ago. You could have sat down last August and counted the votes -- the same ones that passed the Protect America Act with the Republicans.
So Clinton has to decide whether she wants to be campaigning to try to save her campaign, or taking a campaign stop in DC to lose with the rest of the caucus.
She's on record as opposing the immunity. So you're just trashing her because you don't like her, not because this is some sort of tragic personal failing on her part.
Max-1 @ 390:
No. You're looking at the vote in the Senate. What don't you see?
--You don't have 67 votes in the Senate that opposes these policies enough to convict the President.
You can blame the Speaker for that, but how many Republicans do you have supporting impeachment so far (in either body, for that matter)? Any? How many Republican votes for impeachment on the Conyers committee? How many Republican votes for impeachment on the 5-4 Court? (4).
diamondmc @ 384:
What are you talking about. As far as the Qwest argument? You said your piece. I think you're accepting protestations of innocence where none are to be found. We differ in our opinions -- what more is to be said? I am unaware of attacking your point of view, but am actually criticising the credibility of the information you're relying on.
Is it time for civil disobeidance yet? This shit is sooo boring yesterday ...
dadams @ 29:
Right-o, I'll wear your disdain with honor, Republican-voter.
Get the fuck over it Paul... I don't fucking care if you like my language or not mister... These bastards, cocksuckers or whatever YOU want to call them just sold our privacy rights straight down the frikking drain and my choice of language ain't the fucking issue here Mr Paul from L.A!!!!
Paul in LA @ 25:
You're assuming the "sucker" and "suckee" are the same gender. The term may be offensive, but YOU are being sexist in assuming jack damage is referring to 2 men.
Just sayin.......
fwacbar @ 2:
CREDO Mobile, they're awesome. I signed up with them several months ago.
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Hillary Clinton was in Texas. Obama was in D.C. shoring up the base, including robocalls from Michelle Obama.
The time for Hillary and Barack to have made a stand was back when Dodd initially began fighting against telecom immunity. A black mark against both of them.
I've heard speculation about Webb being chosen as Barack's running mate. I guess we can put that one to rest, then. McCaskill's endorsement and campaigning for Barack gave him the slim edge he needed to win Missouri.
It's pretty f*cking clear where this country is headed, and from what I see, none of the road signs say "Democracy" anymore. So it doesn't really matter who is president, because the corporations own everything, lock, stock, and barrell. Whether upfront or in the shadows, they own us.
Anybody see those photos of Obama on the campaign trail, with his big box of Dunkin Doughnuts? Nice advertising, Barack. Remember the pic of bush with his carefully-held cup of Dunkin Doughnuts? The Carlyle Company bought Dunkin Doughnuts in March of 2006. No way that Barack didn't know this. Starbucks is the blue company, DD is the red one.
So let's stop slamming Hillary for being the corporate candidate. Most Americans have no clue who owns what. Barack is doing a fine job of fooling them, too.
Even if Hillary's vote would not have made a difference, she should have still been there just to go on record that she was against this. Seems it would have been a really wise move on her part. Because now we don't know where she stands. Neither do the people in Texas whose votes she is courting right now.
dadams @ 28:
I understand, and to some extend, agree w/your frustration. But let's be real.
Both she and Obama knew well in advance that the votes(AYE) were not there to
support Dodd's amendment. I agree that it seems unlady-like(or whatever term you
chose to use) for Hillary to "miss the vote call" and instead be campaigning in Texas,
for I think she should have flown back to D.C. for this important issue, so I am not
excusing her. On the other hand, Obama was in the D.C. area(campaigning in Maryland
and Virginia) so was "close by" and could easily attend and cast his CORRECT vote.
But, to be redundant, repeat and say again..."the dye had been cast" and ALL knew
this was going down to defeat. Now our only hope is that the U.S. House members
stand by their guns(opposed to immunity for the telecom industry) and are successful
in their efforts to correct this.
Oh and Jack - I heartily agree with your sentiment, though.
dadams @ 29:
PiLA IS the Democratic Party, not know? He speaks for the entire party until someone proves him wrong, then he jumps onto someone else's posts. He is the Dem resident "excuse maker"...does the job well.
RBK @ 39:
Thanks!
okay. this is the last straw.
HOW oh how do we get rid of Diane Feinstein? I'm a CA resident and I'm sick of her BS. Seriously, any ideas?
=ck
DL @ 34:
Her vote would not have changed this one bit, and in Clintonian-type politics you skip every vote that can be used against you by the conservative powerbase of the media you can.
Consult history, you will see that FDR did exactly the same thing -- it's a political method -- and as the case with FDR shows CLEARLY, such "trimming" (as they called it in his day) does not predict what the person can accomplish once they have the power.
They called FDR "feather duster" Roosevelt BECAUSE he went this way and that, avoiding any marks even at the cost of his reputation, STILL secured power (because that method, cowardly as it is, can work), and changed the world.
Btw, I would like to recommend a great book, "The Defining Moment" by Jonathan Alter (2006). Superb retelling of the Roosevelt transition to power (the book is focused on 1928-1934), with great insight into his sort of political 'cowardice' that, even so, can result in great change for the better.
We have the power of the internet, I encourage all to use it. Flood Ms Clinton's in box, let her know that she will not get your vote. She let her own political aspirations trump our personal freedoms. She is just the same old D.C. BULLSHIT. Billery, stick a fork in ya, your done!
As for the rest of Demacripts that joined the Rethuglicans in yet another compromise of our Constitution, Email them and tell them they are the next to go. Actively work to get rid of them! Let them know "YES WE CAN!"
GOBAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Freedom ,
WIFM ,
really
Obama surprisewd me by showing up. And he just earned my vote for voting against immunity. Both of my Senators voted for immunity. No surprise with senator Warner, But Senator Webb's vote feels like a betrayal. when he ran, he represented himself as one who would look after the Constitution. Instead he sold America and the Constitution down the river. I will be supporting any moves that arise to unseat him; he has been tested and shown to be lacking.
Sens. Jay Rockefeller (D-WV), Evan Bayh (D-IA), Daniel Inouye (D-HI), Tim Johnson (D-SD), Herb Kohl (D-WI), Mary Landrieu (D-LA), Claire McCaskill (D-MO), Mark Pryor (D-AR), Blanche Lincoln (D-AR), Dianne Feinstein (D-CA), Ken Salazar (D-CO), Tom Carper (D-DE), Barbara Mikulski (D-MD), Jim Webb (D-VA), Ben Nelson (D-NE), Bill Nelson (D-FL), Kent Conrad (D-ND), and Debbie Stabenow (D-MI).
Remember that list of scum bags. Each and every one needs to stop servicing GW and his corporate mobsters. Each and every one needs to lose their job.
This legislation reminds me of the retro-active immunity that Hitler have the German Insurance companies after Kristallnacht. As soon as you make it legal for some people to break the law, then nobody will respect it.
Am I wrong, or by the mere fact that Clinton didn't bother to show this wouldn't have been able to pass?
I count only 49 dems there. Maybe they were hoping for a republican to cross over, but for better or for worse, unlike the democrats, those guys actually vote as a team on important issues.
Paul in LA @ 393:
Paul doesn't believe that our politicians should be required to fulfill their oaths to Uphold and Defend the Constitution of the United States of America. In fact, Paul has argued that Hillary should not fulfill her Oath of Office.
Where the Republicans work hard and twist arms to get votes, Paul believes that Democrats should give up before they try.
It is important to him that Democrats be quitters. If it looks hard, give up. That is the Paul in LA philosophy.
Paul's record of support of capitulation to the Republicans leads me to believe he is one. Why else would he want Pelosi to be Bush's harem girl?
You better vote for Obama! Check this out; Obama voted against telecom immunity, Clinton didn't vote! Wasn't important enough! McCain voted lockstep with the fascists!
http://bigdanblogger.blogspot.com/2008/02/mccainrepublicans-vote-in-lock...
I just don't understand how once again in a democratically controlled congress, bush's policies continue to get passed.
And, yeah, while you have to blame the individual people, you've also got to blame leadership.
jack damage @ 37:
Jack, I don't care if you are talking about males, females, shemales, hermaphrodytes etc.
For those Dems who voted nay, cocksuckers is right.
I just caught Obama Fever! It feels good.
Although it wasn't exactly a profile in courage on Obama's part to just show up and vote, it's at least something. And I've been on the fence about Obama and Clinton since I consider them equally uninspiring. But at this point, little nudges in either direction are the only thing that's going to make up my mind and Obama just gave me a nudge.
The bulk of my anger, though, isn't directed at Clinton's no-show. It's at Harry Reid. How the fuck does he hang onto his majority leader status? The man's a bloody incompetent. He let 18 Dems jump ship and vote for something that is going to establish horrific precedent. Thanks for fucking nothing, Harry.
Karla @ 406:
He also agreed to let the Repubs have a silent-filibuster 10 point advantage on several of the amendments (the Dems had to get 60 votes to pass them while Repubs only had to get 50 votes to pass theirs). Why the hell did he do this?
If he really were on our side instead of on theirs (a very small chance at this point), it makes one wonder how Reid could ever have been a boxer. Did he box shadows? Or is the fact that he is panty-waisted confused for being a boxer?
Since McCaskill and Webb turned out to be huge disappointments to those of us who helped get them elected through progressive instititutions, could we please start vetting all of our candidates for Congress? Pretty Please? Not just get behind a candidate because they say they are Dems, talk up a storm, look innocent, or have a cool favorite song from the sixties?
Checkur6 @ 145:
Let me suggest that revolution with guns will do no damn good. The only thing that gets these fascists attention is money. Boycott as much of these soulless corporations as possible. Get outside, take a walk, get in touch with nature. Quit buying the crap they sell. Eat less meat, and buy local if possible. Cancel as many subscriptions as you can, and tell them why the hell you are canceling.
Also boycott the two major parties and cut off money to them. Vote third party. Folks, we have to do something different. Doing the same damn thing over and over and expecting different results is lunacy.
Who can honestly say they're surprised about this result?? Persons who "sit in Congress" are all bought and paid for by the Corporations and will always vote for those who grease their palms. Can you say Fascism?!?
We don't have a government of, by and for the People - it's owned by the folks who run the military-industrial complex, the Fed, and all of the corps that produce the fine products you stuff your face with every day. It doesn't make a whit of difference if Hillary or Barack or John gets "elected" as our next President - there is no difference. They will all be following the orders of the puppeteers and we will all march quietly to the beat.
JasonS @ 8:
Please check the Senate record at www.senate.gov.
Barack Obama did not vote on this either. Stop the propoganda Hillary and Obama both did not vote on this. Quit skewing the facts. Check out www.senate.gov.
If the American people are so angry about this then they need to call their Senators. I have. Democracy is not easy people. And remember this is OUR Government. Get Involved and quit Whinning.
Did Obama vote against this or did he sit out? I'm hearing both.
Big Dan @ 402:
This is not a true statement. check out www.senate.gov Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton and Lindsey Graham, are the 3 that did not vote. Quit lying on these sites and quit trying to misrepresent the facts. This is a Republican tactic not ours. BARACK OBAMA DID NOT VOTE CHECK OUT WWW.SENATE.GOV
Big Dan @ 402:
THIS IS A COMPLETE LIE. GO CHECK OUT WWW.SENATE.GOV AND YOU WILL SEE CLINTON AND OBAMA BOTH WERE NOT VOTING. STOP THE PROPAGANDA.
Karla @ 406:
BARACK DID NOT VOTE EITHER CHECK OUT WWW.SENATE.GOV AND CHECK OUT THE VOTING RECORD. OBAMA, CLINTON AND GRAHAM WERE THE 3 THAT DID NOT VOTE. DON'T BUY INTO THE LIES ON THESE WEBSITES.
Karla @ 406:
Barack Obama did not vote either. Please check out www.senate.gov and you will see there are 3 Senators who did not vote. Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama and Lindsey Graham.
kablooie @ 405:
Barack Obama did not vote either. check out www.senate.gov Don't let the bloggers steer you in the wrong direction.
Please someone on these websites get the record straight Barack Obama did not vote yesterday either.
Big Dan @ 402:
Barack Obama did not vote check out www.senate.gov and you will see it. Don't let propaganda website tell you lies about how people voted. Clinton and Obama both did not vote yesterday.
Paul @ 398:
Barack Obama did not vote yesterday either. check out www.senate.gov and look at the record. Barack, Hillary and Lindsey Graham did not vote. I wish someone would get the record straight on these websites and stop the lies.
JasonS @ 8:
Big Dan @ 402:
Barack Obama did not vote either. check out www.senate.gov Stop the Lies.
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U.S. Senate Roll Call Votes 110th Congress - 2nd Session
as compiled through Senate LIS by the Senate Bill Clerk under the direction of the Secretary of the Senate
Vote Summary
Question: On Passage of the Bill (S.2248 as Amended )
Vote Number: 20 Vote Date: February 12, 2008, 07:30 AM
Required For Majority: 1/2 Vote Result: Bill Passed
Measure Number: S. 2248 (FISA Amendments Act of 2007 )
Measure Title: An original bill to amend the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978, to modernize and streamline the provisions of that Act, and for other purposes.
Vote Counts: YEAs 68
NAYs 29
Not Voting 3
Vote Summary By Senator Name By Vote Position By Home State
Alphabetical by Senator Name
Akaka (D-HI), Nay
Alexander (R-TN), Yea
Allard (R-CO), Yea
Barrasso (R-WY), Yea
Baucus (D-MT), Yea
Bayh (D-IN), Yea
Bennett (R-UT), Yea
Biden (D-DE), Nay
Bingaman (D-NM), Nay
Bond (R-MO), Yea
Boxer (D-CA), Nay
Brown (D-OH), Nay
Brownback (R-KS), Yea
Bunning (R-KY), Yea
Burr (R-NC), Yea
Byrd (D-WV), Nay
Cantwell (D-WA), Nay
Cardin (D-MD), Nay
Carper (D-DE), Yea
Casey (D-PA), Yea
Chambliss (R-GA), Yea
Clinton (D-NY), Not Voting
Coburn (R-OK), Yea
Cochran (R-MS), Yea
Coleman (R-MN), Yea
Collins (R-ME), Yea
Conrad (D-ND), Yea
Corker (R-TN), Yea
Cornyn (R-TX), Yea
Craig (R-ID), Yea
Crapo (R-ID), Yea
DeMint (R-SC), Yea
Dodd (D-CT), Nay
Dole (R-NC), Yea
Domenici (R-NM), Yea
Dorgan (D-ND), Nay
Durbin (D-IL), Nay
Ensign (R-NV), Yea
Enzi (R-WY), Yea
Feingold (D-WI), Nay
Feinstein (D-CA), Nay
Graham (R-SC), Not Voting
Grassley (R-IA), Yea
Gregg (R-NH), Yea
Hagel (R-NE), Yea
Harkin (D-IA), Nay
Hatch (R-UT), Yea
Hutchison (R-TX), Yea
Inhofe (R-OK), Yea
Inouye (D-HI), Yea
Isakson (R-GA), Yea
Johnson (D-SD), Yea
Kennedy (D-MA), Nay
Kerry (D-MA), Nay
Klobuchar (D-MN), Nay
Kohl (D-WI), Yea
Kyl (R-AZ), Yea
Landrieu (D-LA), Yea
Lautenberg (D-NJ), Nay
Leahy (D-VT), Nay
Levin (D-MI), Nay
Lieberman (ID-CT), Yea
Lincoln (D-AR), Yea
Lugar (R-IN), Yea
Martinez (R-FL), Yea
McCain (R-AZ), Yea
McCaskill (D-MO), Yea
McConnell (R-KY), Yea
Menendez (D-NJ), Nay
Mikulski (D-MD), Yea
Murkowski (R-AK), Yea
Murray (D-WA), Nay
Nelson (D-FL), Yea
Nelson (D-NE), Yea
Obama (D-IL), Not Voting
Pryor (D-AR), Yea
Reed (D-RI), Nay
Reid (D-NV), Nay
Roberts (R-KS), Yea
Rockefeller (D-WV), Yea
Salazar (D-CO), Yea
Sanders (I-VT), Nay
Schumer (D-NY), Nay
Sessions (R-AL), Yea
Shelby (R-AL), Yea
Smith (R-OR), Yea
Snowe (R-ME), Yea
Specter (R-PA), Yea
Stabenow (D-MI), Nay
Stevens (R-AK), Yea
Sununu (R-NH), Yea
Tester (D-MT), Nay
Thune (R-SD), Yea
Vitter (R-LA), Yea
Voinovich (R-OH), Yea
Warner (R-VA), Yea
Webb (D-VA), Yea
Whitehouse (D-RI), Yea
Wicker (R-MS), Yea
Wyden (D-OR), Nay
Vote Summary By Senator Name By Vote Position By Home State
Grouped By Vote Position
YEAs ---68
Alexander (R-TN)
Allard (R-CO)
Barrasso (R-WY)
Baucus (D-MT)
Bayh (D-IN)
Bennett (R-UT)
Bond (R-MO)
Brownback (R-KS)
Bunning (R-KY)
Burr (R-NC)
Carper (D-DE)
Casey (D-PA)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Coburn (R-OK)
Cochran (R-MS)
Coleman (R-MN)
Collins (R-ME)
Conrad (D-ND)
Corker (R-TN)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Craig (R-ID)
Crapo (R-ID)
DeMint (R-SC)
Dole (R-NC)
Domenici (R-NM)
Ensign (R-NV)
Enzi (R-WY)
Grassley (R-IA)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hagel (R-NE)
Hatch (R-UT)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Inouye (D-HI)
Isakson (R-GA)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kohl (D-WI)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lieberman (ID-CT)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Lugar (R-IN)
Martinez (R-FL)
McCain (R-AZ)
McCaskill (D-MO)
McConnell (R-KY)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE)
Pryor (D-AR)
Roberts (R-KS)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Salazar (D-CO)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Smith (R-OR)
Snowe (R-ME)
Specter (R-PA)
Stevens (R-AK)
Sununu (R-NH)
Thune (R-SD)
Vitter (R-LA)
Voinovich (R-OH)
Warner (R-VA)
Webb (D-VA)
Whitehouse (D-RI)
Wicker (R-MS)
NAYs ---29
Akaka (D-HI)
Biden (D-DE)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Boxer (D-CA)
Brown (D-OH)
Byrd (D-WV)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Cardin (D-MD)
Dodd (D-CT)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feingold (D-WI)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Harkin (D-IA)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerry (D-MA)
Klobuchar (D-MN)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Murray (D-WA)
Reed (D-RI)
Reid (D-NV)
Sanders (I-VT)
Schumer (D-NY)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Tester (D-MT)
Wyden (D-OR)
Not Voting - 3
Clinton (D-NY)
Graham (R-SC)
Obama (D-IL)
Vote Summary By Senator Name By Vote Position By Home State
Grouped by Home State
Alabama: Sessions (R-AL), Yea Shelby (R-AL), Yea
Alaska: Murkowski (R-AK), Yea Stevens (R-AK), Yea
Arizona: Kyl (R-AZ), Yea McCain (R-AZ), Yea
Arkansas: Lincoln (D-AR), Yea Pryor (D-AR), Yea
California: Boxer (D-CA), Nay Feinstein (D-CA), Nay
Colorado: Allard (R-CO), Yea Salazar (D-CO), Yea
Connecticut: Dodd (D-CT), Nay Lieberman (ID-CT), Yea
Delaware: Biden (D-DE), Nay Carper (D-DE), Yea
Florida: Martinez (R-FL), Yea Nelson (D-FL), Yea
Georgia: Chambliss (R-GA), Yea Isakson (R-GA), Yea
Hawaii: Akaka (D-HI), Nay Inouye (D-HI), Yea
Idaho: Craig (R-ID), Yea Crapo (R-ID), Yea
Illinois: Durbin (D-IL), Nay Obama (D-IL), Not Voting
Indiana: Bayh (D-IN), Yea Lugar (R-IN), Yea
Iowa: Grassley (R-IA), Yea Harkin (D-IA), Nay
Kansas: Brownback (R-KS), Yea Roberts (R-KS), Yea
Kentucky: Bunning (R-KY), Yea McConnell (R-KY), Yea
Louisiana: Landrieu (D-LA), Yea Vitter (R-LA), Yea
Maine: Collins (R-ME), Yea Snowe (R-ME), Yea
Maryland: Cardin (D-MD), Nay Mikulski (D-MD), Yea
Massachusetts: Kennedy (D-MA), Nay Kerry (D-MA), Nay
Michigan: Levin (D-MI), Nay Stabenow (D-MI), Nay
Minnesota: Coleman (R-MN), Yea Klobuchar (D-MN), Nay
Mississippi: Cochran (R-MS), Yea Wicker (R-MS), Yea
Missouri: Bond (R-MO), Yea McCaskill (D-MO), Yea
Montana: Baucus (D-MT), Yea Tester (D-MT), Nay
Nebraska: Hagel (R-NE), Yea Nelson (D-NE), Yea
Nevada: Ensign (R-NV), Yea Reid (D-NV), Nay
New Hampshire: Gregg (R-NH), Yea Sununu (R-NH), Yea
New Jersey: Lautenberg (D-NJ), Nay Menendez (D-NJ), Nay
New Mexico: Bingaman (D-NM), Nay Domenici (R-NM), Yea
New York: Clinton (D-NY), Not Voting Schumer (D-NY), Nay
North Carolina: Burr (R-NC), Yea Dole (R-NC), Yea
North Dakota: Conrad (D-ND), Yea Dorgan (D-ND), Nay
Ohio: Brown (D-OH), Nay Voinovich (R-OH), Yea
Oklahoma: Coburn (R-OK), Yea Inhofe (R-OK), Yea
Oregon: Smith (R-OR), Yea Wyden (D-OR), Nay
Pennsylvania: Casey (D-PA), Yea Specter (R-PA), Yea
Rhode Island: Reed (D-RI), Nay Whitehouse (D-RI), Yea
South Carolina: DeMint (R-SC), Yea Graham (R-SC), Not Voting
South Dakota: Johnson (D-SD), Yea Thune (R-SD), Yea
Tennessee: Alexander (R-TN), Yea Corker (R-TN), Yea
Texas: Cornyn (R-TX), Yea Hutchison (R-TX), Yea
Utah: Bennett (R-UT), Yea Hatch (R-UT), Yea
Vermont: Leahy (D-VT), Nay Sanders (I-VT), Nay
Virginia: Warner (R-VA), Yea Webb (D-VA), Yea
Washington: Cantwell (D-WA), Nay Murray (D-WA), Nay
West Virginia: Byrd (D-WV), Nay Rockefeller (D-WV), Yea
Wisconsin: Feingold (D-WI), Nay Kohl (D-WI), Yea
Wyoming: Barrasso (R-WY), Yea Enzi (R-WY), Yea
Vote Summary By Senator Name By Vote Position By Home State
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JasonS @ 10:
Barack Obama did not vote either. Check out www.senate.gov and you will see three people did not vote. Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton and Lindsey Graham. Check out the FACTS!!!!!!!
DL @ 34:
Barack Obama did not vote either. Check out www.senate.gov and you will see three people did not vote. Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton and Lindsey Graham. Check out the FACTS!!!!!!!
Rob @ 396:
Barack Obama did not vote either. Check out www.senate.gov and you will see three people did not vote. Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton and Lindsey Graham. Check out the FACTS!!!!!!!
OliverDreams @ 383:
Barack Obama did not vote either. Check out www.senate.gov and you will see three people did not vote. Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton and Lindsey Graham. Check out the FACTS!!!!!!!
Claire Mckaskill, Debbie Stabenow and other Obama supporters voted Yes so I guess that means if he would have showed up he would have voted the same as them?
Roark77 @ 391:
Barack Obama did not vote either. Check out www.senate.gov and you will see three people did not vote. Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton and Lindsey Graham. Check out the FACTS!!!!!!!
Cool it, Tom. I believe the vote being referred to in this thread is this one:
senate vote
Obama voted "Yea" and against immunity for telecoms.
Hey, C&L. Are you going to correct the part about Obama voting YES, or what? He was a NO SHOW like Hillary. Til now, I've been for Obama, but this move (or LACK of a move) PISSES ME OFF. If they BOTH fucked us, then tell it like it is.
Oh. Good call, Hope.
It was asked above if we all thought that Paul in LA was a 'Rovian plant' but I have never thought that. What he DOES remind me of is all of those asshole Lieberman defenders who kept coming on these blogs to berate us for not supporting such a dedicated defender of the Democratic party while we worked to elect the REAL Democrat. Telling us of his good works in the past to blind us to his douchebaggery in the present. Paul is only 'Rovian' in the sense that he is an apparatchik who works to spread lies for the Democrats.
But seriously folks, the differences between the parties is so OBVIOUS!
JustSickOfIt @ 399:
Invoking Godwin's Law, I see. :rolls eyes:
But on a more serious note, I hope everyone here who happens to have a senator who voted for this travesty has drafted up their letter. I heard about this a four hours ago and had a response written and proofed an hour later. It's going in the mail today or tomorrow. I get to send a letter to the lovely Claire McCaskill of Missouri asking her why the hell she saw fit to not only support FISA's renewal but to not support the Dodd-Feingold amendment.
Also, hey, if anyone lucked out enough to get one of the non-traitorous senators who voted against FISA, you should call them and tell them to keep up the not-evil work.
Ian @ 427:
I'm no expert, but there were a couple different votes in the Senate regarding FISA and Telecom Immunity. Obama definitely voted YEA for the Dodd Amendment to prevent telecom immunity. Hillary didn't vote at all.
So apparently, Hillary fucked us, and maybe Obama gave us a sloppy wet kiss, but he didn't fuck us.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2N7F1HZBfBU
Good thing our Founding Fathers were not alive to witness this sorry event. They would be shocked that we now approve illegal acts that they fought so hard to win for all the people. This vote is one of the most shocking and reprehensible compromises of our constitutional principles, ever. Our government is now a co-conspirator in endorsing illegal acts and voiding accountability because the interests of Corporate America are more valuable than time honored constitutional principles. What an appalling sellout.
The US is now officially a footnote in the history of the ascendancy of humanity.
The future of civil humanism is now in the hands of others elsewhere.
Sy Hersh may have given good advice when he suggested purchasing land overseas.
The payoff may lay in the FBI coalition with industry for the purpose of collecting information ...
http://www.infragard.net/
We are witnessing the final chapter in this nations history in my opinion.
http://www.strike-the-root.com/vote.html
If I had to find something positive to say about this situation, I would have to say that I'm not disappointed in how my senators voted. I'm in Texas and I had no expectations that John Cornyn and Kay Bailey Hutchinson would suddenly muster up the moral and ethical courage to vote in favor of the Constitution and the rule of law. I'm forced to depend on the courage of other states' Democratic senators. Unfortunately, some of them are equally disappointing.
Hillary, sorry but you earned my vote for Obama this day.
ckukahiko @ 46:
Go fish, you missed your chance last year.
Feinstain is now in power until 2012, and may well retire at that point (she'll be 71, I believe).
I wish Sen. Feinstein would do CA a favor and quit. Recently, in an op-ed that she wrote in the San Francisco Chronicle, she referred to the Strait of Hormuz event in terms showing that she was completely oblivious to what had actually occurred, and what the Pentagon and the admiral of the navy ship/fleet had come out with post-incident, saying that the WH press releases about the incident were blown all out of proportion. She's just reading those WH press releases and then casting her votes according to their recommendations. I wish she'd check herself into an assisted living facility.
Matt in Texas @ 32:
The only one I'm aware of is Qwest.
Hahahah! And anyone is surprised by the fact that our "elected" representatives in either political franchise are owned by telecom Mega-Corporations? Go back to work plebes, everything is under control and you've got outrageous mortgages to make payments on. Can't risk getting fired by filling the streets in protest (between commercials anyway).
Straight Shooter @ 40:
Barack voted against immunity. Clinton did not vote. Mc Cain voted for it. Mc Cain is the real suckup to Corporate America.
Can California recall Feinstein like they did with Gov. Gray Davis? If so, chukahiko, then you should start a movement toward that end.
i feel royally f*cked in the ass!
Matt in Texas @ 32:
That would be Qwest. And they were targeted for it.
Everyone one of you using an iPhone-- thanks for supporting AT&T- the company that spies on Americans.
anon @ 50:
Hysteria. Wait until next year, when we have enough seats in the House and a Dem in the White House, and actually a DoJ that does prosecutions.
Statute of limitations is what you ought to focus on, and FIGHT for justice. Because declaring the nation at an end is the lazy man's method of avoiding our political challenges (which are major).
Good to have a list of these corporatists or fascists whatever you call it when corporations rule over the people. Damn.
harry reid should be made to pay for this.
Matt in Texas @ 58:
i'll look into it. she's a republican in dem's clothing.
=ck
Paul in LA @ 53:
Depends on the state constitution. Senators in Arizona, as elected statewide officials, are subject to recall in much the same way as Governors.
Craig Lister @ 52:
I hear there are rumors that McCain might be looking at Kay Bailey Hutchinson for his veep.
Dr. Acula @ 55:
There is ZERO evidence that Qwest is any different. They ALL do this spying, every single one of them.
And, btw, the US just finished breaking (in two places, inserting taps into the lines, leaving one break per line for the companies to repair) five or six telecommunications cables undersea serving the ME and India.
Our only job now is to separate ourself from NWO Riff Raff such as this.
http://mccainblogette.com/docs/about/
Paul in LA @ 53:
you can say the same about LIEberman and conn.
Paul in LA @ 60:
Piss off. That wasnt submitted for your approval Paul.
The people failing the nation this year will be in power next year.
Move along.
anon @ 64:
Arizona thinks it can remove its federal officials, but that is a Supreme court case, not a law.
Once sworn in, officials enjoy a general immunity from removal.
Weaseldog @ 401:
Right. So because you can't do the math, it's my fault.
I had some respect for you, after all, how bad can a weasel be? But you have failed even that low expectation.
Kastlefeer @ 395:
No! Go back to sleep.
The people who have been doing civil disobedience for five years certainly don't need your help.
ckukahiko @ 46:
Same here, I'm in CA, I've written, called and faxed her probably 5 times over this single issue. She always replies in a "cut and paste" way that is clear she hasn't taken into consideration what I said. It's damn frustrating and demoralizing. The only thing I haven't done is visiting her office in person. Kinda hard to do when she's in DC.
Paul in LA @ 66:
gee, you are SO WRONG! qwest lost contracts and was nearly prosecuted for requiring a FISA warrant to do spying.
bmw 528 @ 49:
Maybe the ole Fathers should be here to see this, they threw the British out for less than than BushCo does in a day. Thomas Paine could save us, Paul in LA never will.
Dodd also said:
"Those who are advocating this notion that you have to give up liberties in order to be more secure are apparently prevailing."
Nothing will change with a corporate Congress.
Ask Obama how he will change this reality.
pissed off patricia @ 65:
There's also the rumor that he's thinking about (gag!) Kindaliesalot!
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