<i>This Week</i>: Iraq is McCain's Winning Issue
By Nicole Belle Saturday Feb 16, 2008 2:01pm
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Ever wonder why John "Let's stay 100 years in Iraq!" McCain is doing so well with anti-war primary voters? Maybe it has to do with bobbleheaded discussions like this one on This Week with George Stephanopoulos, where the round table panel thinks that Iraq is a winning issue for McCain. Despite the fact that most Americans want out of Iraq within a year and do not think "success" (I'm still waiting for someone to define this for me) is not possible, Time Magazine's Jay Carney thinks that McCain can coast to the White House by distinguishing himself from his Democratic rivals with his wargasmic rhetoric, a bizarre assertion that neither George Stephanopoulos, Claire Shipman nor Mark Halperin find questionable at all.
So let's get this straight: almost two-thirds of the country wants us out of Iraq, but the guy who wants us to be there indefinitely (and Carney thinks this concept has "honor" as opposed to pulling out), will resonate with voters. And Democratic voters have been turning out consistently during these primaries more than two times as often as their Republican candidates. And McCain faces a mutiny from the noise machine on his own side for not being conservative enough. And despite the continual White House and media spin that the "surge" has been a success, there is no measurable documentation to back that up.
So, with absolutely no facts on their side, the media has decided to champion McCain's candidacy on the one area that he is diametrically opposite from the majority of Americans. I ask you, what planet do these bobbleheads live on?
Transcripts below the fold:
CARNEY: On Iraq, I’m not sure that it’s…that he can’t win that argument. I think that if you’re forward looking, that the public has already decided what it thinks about what happened and how we got in and whether it’s been done well. But I think, you know, McCain can effectively frame an argument that says, you know, “I’m a much better steward going forward” than Democrats who are going to come in and say, “let’s just get out.” Imagine what will happen with the military brass and conservative establishment and people who just don’t want to see us hightail it out of there without honor. I think that can be a very effective argument and the Democratic nominee, whether it’s Obama or Clinton, has to have an answer to that that’s acceptable.
STEPHANOPOULOS: Probably works better against Obama than Clinton?
SHIPMAN: Yeah, and also I think it works better if the subject shifts back to Iraq than the economy. I mean, I think people are so focused on the economy right now, I’m not sure that’s going to be a compelling issue…
STEPHANOPOULOS: But I also wonder if he’s damned by success in Iraq, Mark Halperin, if it’s going well, yes, people may have forgotten that they didn’t like the war in the first place, but if it’s going well, that could become all the more reason to bring the troops out.
HALPERIN: Well, it could be, but there’s going to be a troop presence there. The Democrats, if you talk to their advisors [inaudible] of course there’s going to be a troop presence there for the foreseeable future, of a pretty substantial size. I don’t Iraq goes off the table, and I think again, you’re right. If it gets better there, maybe he can’t argue as much about the importance of it. But he’s going to have to make foreign policy—Iraq, War on Terror—the centerpieces of his general election campaign or he could not win.
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The talking heads always try to spin garbage into gold.
Now the the surge is working, he has been vindicated . . .
(barf)
Have "we" not won in Iraq?
Oil prices are now much higher than they used to be, and the winning strategy was to do just that, and keep them high.
Mission accomplished, isn't it?
the media does what their masters tell them to do. their masters are our masters and they do what they want and will install whoever that want in november. all of us will lose...
McCain gets destroyed on Iraq (if he's challenged)
Lollimom @ 3:
Lies of omission, lies of commission,
accomplished mission, That’s my position
It ain’t a lie if you tell it enough,
No WMD’s, well you know that’s just tough
Mislead the people, mislead the sheeple
-Wackiavelli
It's astonishing, but I think I read Michael Kinsley of Time saying the same thing on the back page, that Iraq was a winning issue for McCain. Hard to believe anyone could think that.
I am so tired of this Crap.I like Obama's point.What could we have done with oine Trillion dollars to Improve our country?
Peace, jason
I think the Democrats need to do more to join Iraq at the hip with the economy, considering the enormous financial drain.
If McCain wants to stay there for 100 years, how does he propose to pay for it, with further endless borrowing? (And so forth)
Lollimom @ 3:
No s#!&. Defense and energy corporations are making historic fortunes, Israel is given free rein, and the middle east is in chaos. It wouldn't have made a good election platform, but that doesn't mean it wasn't intended.
I'm still laughing at Conservatives insinuating that they will vote for the Democrat (hillary/obama) instead of McCain because he's not Conservative enough. Makes me miss the 1/2 hr news hour :)
And George did a terrible job talking to McCain too...
News from the Disney Corp.....
Meet the Press was an hour of Hillary bashing too....
I could not take more than a minute of Fox this morning!!!
thank God for the web....
Lollimom @ 3:
Our armies have been destroyed and replaced with a corporate controlled mercenary force perhaps to be used against us as the dollar collapses and we see everything we've worked for our entire lifes evaporate.
Yes . . . . things are progressing nicely . . ha ha ha - Stewie
And because the Democrats would rather practise personalities before pricipals, McCain will probably be the next president.
The rulers don't care which of the pre-selected choices become president. All real challengers have been eliminated.
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"And Democratic voters have been turning out consistently during these primaries more than two times as often as their Republican candidates. "
Some of this "Democratic" turnout has been Republicans crossing over to vote for what they perceive as the weaker of the front runners. I was thinking about voting in the Republican primary for Romney for that exact same reason. (Wound up voting for Obama).
Eh, if McCain decided that biting the heads off live chickens would get him elected, these same knuckleheads would find a way to see the wisdom of his strategy.
With idiots like this leading the charge, the American electorate doesn't have the wherewithal to see through this malarky and WE ARE, once again, F%#@*D.
Iraq is not a winning issue for anyone. It has gone bad well before it even started years ago as we all know. From what I gather, nothing has changed there. The Sunni, Shia and Kurdish militias remain. All power players there remain and all can change the course of Iraq back into a nightmare in a blink of an eye if they do not get what they want. The Sunnis can return to their "insurgency", the Shia can resume their fighting against U.S. and Sunni forces and the PKK can resume at will, their attacks in Turkey. If McCain is banking on Iraq as a winning Presidential strategy then he will be totally reliant upon those elements that he can not control.
The "surge" is just a red herring to try to get our minds off the fact this was an illegal, illegitimate war to begin with. Dems have to stop letting the right wing frame important issues for the country.
How is Iraq a winning issue? McCain supported and have supported this disastrous war from the beginning 100%. That shows poor judgement on foreign policy and "defense". To McCain war is the only answer and he will start another against Iran if he gets elected. How is that a winning issue when the people are sick and tired of wars?
Your media have decided who they want. Now they have to find a reason. Any freakin' reason.
And the surge is working. IEDs and American casualties are up only 100% since they invaded Iraq. That's improvement.
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cheney is a fascist
the gop are fascists
all repugs are fascists
the media is fascists
the rest of the country is sane and being bullied by
fucking fascists, liars and gop criminals.
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Proud2bHumble @ 26:
McSelected
Nicolle. the answer to your very apt question-Not This ONE!!!
Militarism is McCainaic's religion. Don't vote for a war-monger like McInsane.
The surge is "working" because thousands of Sunnis has fled Baghdad and moved into Syria or Iran. The surge is "working" because we "bought" off insurgent groups to fight al-Qaeda terrorists. When the money runs dry, our "allies" will flip the page and start killing us again. Iraq is rolling back to its pre-Mestopomia era.
Between Iraq and Osama...McBush is a shoe-in: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSk9toKfrwo
I ask you, what planet do these bobbleheads live on?
Planet Murdoch
This is a good time to highly recommend this movie from 2006 "Idiocracy" Enjoy.
We're slaves paying for the Dubai Disneyland
no matter how much the media sucks up to mccain, they will be debunked by olbermann, maher, colbert, stewart, and the internet. they have become the real source of info. i may be a dreamer, but i'm not the only one, mccain is dead man walking. this election will be a blowout.
"These people, like every other American, feel strongly about the events of 11 September and the need to see this war through to its victorious conclusion." Karl Rove
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/showbiz/1651173.stm
What sort of bizzaro land do these pundits live in? If I was wrong as often as they are, I'd be out of a job.
I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but it's hard to refrain from thinking there must be some serious corporate interest in having folks spouting this garbage.
The economy is already in the tank folks.
The war has already been a disaster and failure.
The media is pathetic and anything it says most likely is more lies and propaganda.
Keep believing lies and propaganda at your own num-nut risk. Be nimrods and keep believing the lies and propaganda you are all so used to going for.
Yes, their interest lays in hopes that opinionated, reactionary people will hear them, find their ways to various partisan blog sites, proceed to bitch about how wrong the the talking heads are about the issues, and award said talking heads with free publicity that will perpetuate the cycle and their profitability.
It's not a war, it's an OCCUPATION. These fucktards LIE at EVERY opportunity.
They are waving the Red Cape of HUBRIS.
I saw the end of this "analysis" and was as confused as you. This highlights what seems to me to be the real weakness in Stephanopoulos as a pundit. He allows outrageous comments like this to go unchallenged. For her part, all Shipman needed was a perky hairdo and head that bobbed from shoulder to shoulder and I'd have sworn she was Perino.
McCain is toast IF the Democratic nominee is able to do what Obama does now, praise McCain for his past service and point out that he's simply out of touch with reality. If the Democrats give McCain a bye on this, it could be costly because he will wrap himself in the flag and tag his opponent with the label quitter. With average American NASCAR watching, Bud drinking, Hooters dreaming voter - testosterone rules.
X @ 38:
Nah. I don't even watch television. The purpose of this blog for me is to stay informed on the framing of the MSM so it can be countered with facts. Nice try.
What is it people don't get?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uo86ptLYd6k
L.A. Confidential @ 42:
They think these people actually give a damn about getting out the truth-facts?
Keep in mind that the internet is like a series of tubes, while television news and information programs have become like a gathering of sphincters.
I agree with Jaden @ 32 that Idiocracy is one of the best explainations of what is happening to intelligent discourse in America, except that its time frame of 500 years is far, far too generous.
I ask you, what planet do these bobbleheads live on?
Bobbleonia?
About half of Americans believes that America launching and bring perpetually at war, slaughtering untold numbers of innocents, is a natural state of affairs. Their choice of a leader is predicated on this assumption.
L.A. Confidential @ 31:
Touché
sciguy @ 36:
Of Course there is - WAR PROFITEERING!
what is so hard to understand about this? McCain is the white male war hero in the race being championed by traditional media and who will have the full support of all Repubs by the time he gets the nomination...why is it so hard to understand that he not only has a good shot at winning the White House but has to be considered the favorite?
For more go here http://theinternetisnotatruck.blogspot.com/2008/02/update-to-my-post-on-...
ysbaddaden @ 45:
lol
redcat @ 34:
How has the asskissing stewart helped to debunk Mccain? They're buddies for god's sake.
Fret Well @ 47:
Douch'e
The MSM is in John McCain's corner. They will pull out all the stops to protect their pampered and priviledged position as purveyors of the status quo. The press in the U.S. is truly pathetic. Anyone that thinks it reflects reality is beyond hope.
Alice in Wonderland @ 48:
I think that's definitely true for a lot of folks directly connected to the Bush-Cheney cult, but is a panel of pundits all being bought off? I'd love to see some serious muck raking journalism on that.
No one believes the MSM any more, Not after G.W. Bush.
Gotugye @ 53:
Wow, you were on a roll with the "P" thing there. Pampered, privileged, position as perveyors, I wish you could have worked that pathetic into the string... but all in all, pretty good string of p's.
Bangkok Bob @ 56:
I'm full of p's.
It's called Sylvesterism.
Well, if McBain and the repugs are right that the surge is working, then we should be able to withdraw. If the surge is working so well, why the need then for all the troops? It seems to me you can't have it both ways. If things are going so well in Irag, we should be bringing troops home now. Oh thats right I forgot, we need to be there for the next 100 years. How silly of me.
".....an argument that says, you know, “I’m a much better steward going forward” than Democrats who are going to come in and say, “let’s just get out.” Imagine what will happen with the military brass and conservative establishment and people who just don’t want to see us hightail it out of there without honor. ...."
What kind of reasoning/thought comes to form a statement like this? This administration has a 25% approval rating. We have gone into a country and basically ruined it. We won the war, tortured the vanquished, maintain a gulag off the Cuban coast, shredded the constitution, invaded the privacy of every American, propose to grant immunity to anyone, corporate to individual, who has aided this administration....and carney talks about 'honor' ...Where was he when this war was ramped up, when abu ghraib was revealed, when our soldiers rotted at Walter Reed, when our thousands wounded came home with permanent, physical/psychological damage, when our populace was consistently LIED to. Honor, carney? No, it is jackasses like carney and quisling toadies like judith miller, friedman, brooks, matthews, klein...the list is nauseatingly long. Talk about honor carney, we need to get our army back safe at home, apologize to the world, admit to our misguidence, and hope we can work to receive the forgiveness, that will be so difficult to earn. Then spend the next generation restoring the Constitution back to her original purity after the malignant abuse this administration with the complicity of reid/pelosi, the MSM, bluedog dems stained her . If there is a God...Please help us.
Silvestra Reyes finally said what needs to be said. While not directly related to Iraq it all links together in the long run doesn't it. This needs to be repeated incessantly. Thank you Representitive for representing me. More please, more!!!!!!
Jack Jett @ 16:
Well, I boycott the shit out of Chris Matthews and every other talking boob on the boob tube. So I wouldn't know which advertisers to boycott.
What would a political debate between the Four Horsemen of the Apocolypse be like?solid @ 61:
Just for you, Solid
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Were you named after Huggy Bear's favorite ejaculation?
myshadow @ 59:
Sorry to disappoint. It's just us and the evil corporate overlords. Sucks to be us.......
i can't figure out why a person who gets captured in combat is considered a hero. a hero is someone who doesn't get captured.
ysbaddaden @ 52:
lol again, Morey
JOhn Mcain is a hero because he was shot down whilst bombing villages of women and children in vietnam.
McCanus
ysbaddaden @ 62:
I'm pretty much an ass man, but booberella ain't too shabby. As far as Huggy Bear, I grew up watching Starksy and Hutch, but I was just an impressionable youth at that time. I didn't even know what an androgyne was at that time.
he's a hero to the msm. because as we know there's nothing that gives the msm a bigger hard on than the death and destruction of innocent human beings.
solid @ 68:
It's when the Bionic Man cross-dresses in Jamie's panties.
Proud2bHumble @ 67:
That should pique the interest of those into being caned.
All I know is everytime I see the bobbleheads bobbling, I want to see spontaneous combustion in their studio. What a waste of chemicals. They'd best be used as feed for predators at the nearest zoo.
These guys live on another planet, but it ain't the one I live on.
Joementum @ 18:
Actually, examining the entrails of said chickens was how they determined the surge was working.
Gotugye @ 53:
What, no pusillanimous pussyfooters? Shades of Agnew.
Peter G @ 75:
Agnew was into foot-f**king?
Of course I'm just a nattering nabob of negativism.
andy @ 66:
This begs a philosophical question. John McCain claim to hero status is based on being tortured while a POW. Since he is now in favor of torture doesn't he have to surrender his hero status?
ysbaddaden @ 77:
We must be of an age.
I'm sorry, but you're badly out of touch. Define success? The rage last year were the congressional benchmarks, which are now being met. Security improved so dramatically at the end of 2007 that the media quit covering the conflict - stories got to bleed if they're going to lead, you know.
We've been in Japan and Germany for almost 65 years, and there's no huge outcry. So who's sounding unhinged about this, a long Iraq deployment? It's the antiwar left, and the Obama forces who'll be paddled on national security like schoolchildren once McCain wraps up the GOP nod.
Yep, that "Shady Chicago Socialist's" going to be out of his depth.
myshadow @ 59:
Yes, an astonishingly ignorant comment, what should qualify as irony or satire presented, and accepted, with utmost seriousness. It echoes Nixon’s “peace with honor” justification for staying in Vietnam. But even though the US attacked Vietnam to thwart anticolonialist revolution and economic nationalism, the pretext of “containing international communism” was in 1972 intact enough that Nixon could exploit notions of US honor with some degree of plausibility. In the case of Iraq, though, remaining notions of US honor are a sick joke.
The talking heads are trying to make this a horse race. Way too much airtime to fill between now and November.
The Dems can save themselves a lot of money on advertising. Make one ad and one ad only. Show McCain saying we can be in Iraq for a hundred years or a thousand years, just as long as we keep the casualties down. End it with the shot of McCain hugging Bush. America is not buying.
ysbaddaden @ 71:
A kink in McKinky's arm, or?
I just noticed Nicole's question. Planet Bobblehead? Not so much a planet as a moon. Orbiting Uranus I believe.
Proud2bHumble @ 26:
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And everyone wonders why Obama-mania is sweeping the nation.
Just turn on the Sunday talking heads.
Is this some kind of joke?
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If McCain is relying on Iraq to be his winning issue, he has already lost the battle. He has got to be out of his mine if he is not paying attention to the millions and millions of Americans that are flocking to the primaries and caucuses, to vote in this presidential election, against everything he and the republicans stand for.
The very idea that this right wing media would dare give us any kind of polling data that reflects, not just McCain, but any republican taking the white house is just stunning to say the least.
Senator Obama has attracted millions and millions of new voters to this presidential race, but it has not been just his message of hope and change alone, but the mere wonderment of having to endure a George Bush presidency and a right wing domonated media for the last seven plus years, that has ignited a fire storm in this country.
We are not having any more of this right wing leadership. They have shown that they are liars, cheats and out right thieves and that they do not care about the people of this country.
A good example was just Friday, when Rep. Minority Leader John Banor, lead his notorious gang of right wing bandits, out off the congressional floor, because they were not able to get their way as it has become so customary under this administration.
American people are tired as hell of this kind of leadership and trust me folks, we are not having any more of it in a McCain, or any other republican leadership for decades to come.
Katie @ 85:
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Why aren't you just McProlific! (8-D
Thanks!!
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See ya'll on the next McThread.
Ron McD @ 12:
I am happy that other people have finally seen through the mainstream media.
Can you imagine them saying Iraq is going to be McCain's strong point because the so called "surge" is working?
Their plan ALL ALONG was to get in 30,000 extra troops into Baghdad thereby creating an artificial atmosphere of security in the months leading up to November this year. They would then ask the tv networks and newspapers (nearly all of them are in their "pockets") to push the notion into our heads that the surge is working. Really? Don't they think we are that stupid?
I guess so. They want to make the agenda of national security the main platform of focus for the election and the main stream media will do their bidding. This is why they are fighting tooth and nail to see that Hillary looses the democratic nomination. You wish. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to see this. Just switch on you tv and listen and watch without prejudice.
They perceive the other candidate to be somebody they can easily handled. A new fresh face they can dig the dirt on with relish.
Do you think we Dems are that naive? At least some of us have our heads firmly on our shoulders not somewhere up in the clouds.
Jaysus, it's bad enough our pundits lack all wisdom, and are apparently ignorant of the realities of Iraq as well, but shouldn't they at least be aware of polling numbers?
Kathy in St. louis @ 82:
And in the advertisement be sure to show how much per day staying in Iraq costs, how much per month, how much per year, how much per a McCain administration, and of course how much 100 years of this bullshit would cost us. Tie Iraq to the failed economy, torture, warrantless spying and then put the Bush anchor around his neck as well. Let's see McCain sink to the bottom of the ocean as quickly as we can. Then insure he never has a chance to rebound by hammering the living crap out of him. I don't even want to here this guys name come November and the Democrats have all the ammo they need to make that happen. Now let's just hope the Dems don't snatch defeat from the jaws of victory and maybe, just maybe we can begin to get our country back.
"I ask you, what planet do these bobbleheads live on?"
PLANET OF THE MORONS ??
I saw this idiot today and I now know why Atrios always titles his Sunday lineup commentary as "Document the Atrocities". I couldn't believe this moron and the panel around him. The only thing worse was the right wing butthead-fest over at "Meet the Press".
Yeah, Iraq, that's the ticket. McCain can wow the American public with stories of the great public schools we are building in Iraq, and the terrific free public health care that every Iraqi enjoys courtesy of their good old Uncle Sam...nah. How about, for every bomb we drop on a Iraqi house, we create three jobs at the bomb factory in Mexico? Maybe he can talk about how we no longer have to give that tyrant Saddam Husein $25 for a lousy barrel of oil.
Nicole, stating that there are no facts or reasonable documentation regarding the course of the war in Iraq is, as the provocatively-aliased Americaneocon states above... out of touch.
Read Bing West's recent Report from Iraq, take a deep breath, and then draw your own conclusions.
The mistakes we made getting into the war, in its immediate aftermath and in our response to the insurgency are legion and well-documented.
That being said, Gates and Petraeus have adapted and responded brilliantly, aided by the Sunni awakening in Anbar.
Here's what you miss in your analysis: Iraq is a winning issue for McCain, provided that it continues to go well, with respect to continued stabilization and progress towards whatever federalized endstate is in the future. If conditions on the ground continue to improve, McCain will be able to correctly assert his early support for the strategy and be critical of the early conduct of the war under Bush -- a powerful combination -- and the Democrats will be on their heels to avoid the defeatism that characterized the discourse early last year. Democracies do not support sustained conflict abroad unless the bloodletting stops. If it does, we could be looking at another Germany, Japan, Kosovo or any of the other 120 countries we have bases within. And Democrats who don't consider that the majority of the country will not support an endless antiwar candidacy will have to live with another Republican in the Oval Office.
If there are any Truman Democrats amongst you, reconsider your stances here.
McCain confuses courage with wisdom constantly and the media just lamely buy into his tired defenses for a wholey unnecessary war, which has drained our treasurey, divided our citizenry and has diminished our standing in the world. McCain represents tired old thinking, which is understandable since he is old and tired and minimally qualified to lead our nation through a crucial phase of needed change. It is astonishing how these commentators display such little understanding of what is really important.
My friends, if McCrazy, my friends, is elected in Nov 08, we are so screwed. My friends.
amen abarts!!
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Scooter @ 98:
Amen, amen, amen.
I tell my daughter all the time, when you have nothing constructive to add to intelligent discourse, stop talking. Obviously some of these talking heads didn't have parents like me, cause some are just stupid.
McCain wants to stay in Iraq forever, he wants to bomb Iran. He has flipflopped repeatedly on the Religious Right, immigration, support for Bush. He lied about calling for Rumsfeld's resignation, and, he's great-grandfather age. He should be home, enjoying those golden years.
We didn't go in with honor. What gives us the right to leave with honor? (Still waiting to hear this from the Dem candidates)
Focusing on terrorists has not alotto do with the Iraq "occupation". When will any of the media start calling it what it is?
Iraq is no longer a war.
And Obama should stick McCain in the eye with occupation vs War in Iraq. Bush and his minions call it a war to sound somehow more important of a Presidency than they really are.
Iraq isn't going to get a whole lot better by the election for McCain. We are paying salaries to some of the insurgents and we arm them as well. They ethnic cleanse their hoods. Soon they will turn their hatred back to the infidels. As for the economy, if no one is making money by manufacturing something. There won't be an economy to excite and splurge.
msirt @ 106:
Bush, Cheney, Kristol, Rumsfeld, Condi et al didn't go into Iraq. Let alone have honor sending people in. But it is Bush's legacy he is now in full operation to airbrush his pictured legacy. He does think he needs to get in to the end zone for a touch down. (This is a game to little Bush.) His kind thinks close is a T.D. , for effort. GW is paying top dollars for history writers. Need a good paying job that rips your soul right out of your body? How do you think GW got a grade at all in his schools of higher learning? Because none of his education shows.
"Progress in Iraq reshapes debate over war"
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2008-02-17-Iraqcongress_N.htm
Excellent article from America's most widely circulated newspaper.
abarts @ 101:
Can we get a fried fish sandwich by yelling down his mouth?
Iraq can never be a winning issue for mccan't. It's either going to go badly, or fade away from the news. That's the way when there's no hard and fast victory.
Opinion polls show that the economy is what people are worried about now.
You also can't distinguish between quieter battlegrounds, but troubled political futures, when there are no clear battlelines, and all the politicians have their own militias.
Yeah, that's the ticket.
The invasion and occupation of Iraq was to take only 90 days and be paid for by their oil money and recycled flowers they were to throw in our path as they praised us as if we were Allah.
Now it is going so well we may only be there for 100 more years, instead of a million years.
I find it difficult to believe anyone other than tin foil brainers will fall for this McRubbish.
Just more bread and circuses for the rubes who make up the benighted masses. In reality, we're a nation of sheep.
i wouldn't be surprised if they said that decrepit old geezer is living in reality too and that shitt romney dropping $35 million of his own cash was a great investment. these people are the dumbest fucks ever
Did he really say something that stupid????????????
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