Pat Buchanan Gets Smacked Down For Telling Guest To "Shut Up"
By Logan Murphy Wednesday Mar 12, 2008 9:38am
Wednesday on Live with Dan Abrams, MSNBC analyst Pat Buchanan was on the set with Democratic strategist Keli Goff and Air America's Rachel Maddow to discuss the Geraldine Ferraro controversy. Buchanan has gotten a lot of face time on MSNBC during the primary season and it's quite obvious after watching this clip that he's in dire need of a vacation.
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Buchanan, who took Ferraro's side, reiterated the ridiculous claim that Barack Obama's race is whats propelling his campaign and that the only reason he was allowed to give the keynote address at the 2004 Democratic National Convention was because he was black. Goff took exception to that statement and as she was calling him out for it, things turned nasty and Buchanan lost his cool -- and paid a heavy price for it.
Buchanan:"In Iowa and New Hampshire, there aren't that many black folks. He skipped Michigan, the first big contest besides South Carolina -
Goff: "Because he's black?"
Buchanan:"HOLD IT!" [cross talk] Shut up for a second, please!"
Goff:"Excuse me, don't talk to me like that, Pat. That's inappropriate. [snip]
Maddow:"First of all I would just say, as a matter of procedure here, Pat, I've been on television with you a million times and I've never heard you tell anybody to shut up before. That was absolutely, completely ridiculous of you. Second of all, tell me about how the black vote explains Obama's win in Utah."
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Hey surprise! Pat's an asshole!
meanwhile, only 28 percent (of Americans) know that nearly 4,000 U.S. troops have died, 9In Iraq) and media coverage has plummeted, new poll shows
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23602987/
More shockingly, Geraldine Ferraro Now Claims Jackie Robinson Broke the Color Barrier Only Because He Was Black
I wonder what percentage of the white Republican voted for John McCain?
Yea, he should have said he was sorry, cause it was over rude. It wasn't his turn to speak, Abrams was telling Goff to speak and of course, white is right Patty B wasn't ready to let go of the floor. Ms. Maddow should have followed up the Utah question with one concerning all those black votes Senator Obama got in Wyoming. Pat almost choked on his Utah answer. Wyoming would have made his head explode.
Seems like Maddow handled this well - trying to diffuse the situation by getting back to the issue, and not ignoring what Pat said, while also not trying to shame Buchanan on the air.
Well played.
Oh, and Pat definitely is an asshole.
rats, that should read (in Iraq)
Pat needs a nap and a slap.
I thought it was rather cute that the old bigot looked so hang-dog about being scolded by his liberal friend. He does have a soul, somewhere in those jowels.
It certainly would have been nice to hear what that woman had to say. Telling her to shut up was redundant since he did not allow her to be heard in the first place.
Race matters. I will vote for Obama. Not because he is black. I am inspired by Obama because, in part, as a black man he
overcomes and transcends race...even though, in America, race continues to work against him. He overcomes it. He helps me
overcome it. He helps America overcome it.
It is not a shameful thing to say this and to understand it. It also follows that if he were not black, he might not be able to
do this so well.
I am ashamed when I see things like the fact that America has the highest percentage and highest numbers of people in
prison. That shame is magnified when you see the disparity between the percentages between black and white. I want
Obama to win and live up to our hopes on MANY fronts...one of those fronts is taking America forward and beyond race.
Sorry if this offends people.
Dan is to new at hosting a show to tell Pat to shut up. Dan can't even defend his own guest. Pat is a grumpy old man.
dr. dave @ 11:
Let me poll the members of the KKK who stop by and i will get back to you.
Rachel Maddow has no peer on cable. I'd gladly be a lesbian for a day to get with her.
Though I've been following this site for years, this is my first time commenting. This 'story' is pure knee-jerk garbage. I don't mean the Ferraro issue which is an important one. Pat telling a girl to 'shut up'... who cares? I don't agree with Pat's point of view, but that girl had it comming. He was quiet while she had her time to speak and then she repeadedly and rudely interupted him. He doesn't deserve a turn to speak?
"I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it." -Voltaire
Pat is beginning to feel the earth shake under his feet. His sister, Bay, suffered humiliation when her golden boy, Romney went down in flames. Now Pat and his ilk have to make every 'Demoncrat' look bad. And now have to support their worst nightmare, McCain.
Y'know, I'm of the firm opinion that Ferraro (as part of the Clinton campaign strategy) is race-baiting, and it's despicable. I'm also no fan of Buchanan's.
BUT, the woman kept shouting over him while he was trying to make his point, and what she was shouting didn't make any more sense than what he was saying. Telling her to "shut up" was rude, but so was her yelling over the top of him.
Rachel Maddow, as per usual, was the only rational person in the room.
He's a tired old racist dirtbag. 50% of Americans eat that shit up, too. White jebus-loving ideologues need it, like oxygen.
Stephen @ 15:
I missed something. I could have sworn it was Pat talking over her.
The man should be thrown off MSNC. Just before this, he said Ferrarro's comment was simply a statement of fact. Can't they get some other cranky old conservative?
I think what every one is overlooking is that Obamba is not black but HALF WHITE!
Maddow is a suck up. Pat is not the devil. Goff was being a motor mouth, she just rudely kept talking in order to use up all the available time. She was purposly working to limit free and open discussion.
Pat Buchanan displays his lack of principle every time he's on the air these days:
For years he has reviled Hillary Clinton. Now, because the Republicans desperately want her as the Dem candidate, he is at her side, defending. The same can be said of Joe whats-his-face, Matthews, Russert , and many other corporate-owned water carriers.
Olberman is the exception...he pretty much calls them as he sees them.
c127 @ 21:
Tell that to the people in Alabama where if you have 12.5 % black ancestry you are legally "black."
He said "please" at least.
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Pat is a douche, BUT this was ridiculous and I can understand his frustration. He was getting SHOUTED down constantly the whole time. I watched this yesterday and I was so embarrassed for Maddow and Goff (both of whom I like very much). They were just ludicrous. They just wanted to run their mouths and wouldn't hear Pat out, they wouldn't even try to appreciate the context of what he was saying. It was disgusting. And to be honest, there should have been a little bit of "respect for the elder" and appreciation that even if you don't agree with Pat Buchanan, he may have earned the right to posit an opinion . . .
OF COURSE Obama would not be in the position he is in if not for his biography OR his skin color. If he was some young white hot shot presumptive winner in his Senate race, he wouldn't have been given the key note at the 2004 convention. By the same token tho, Ferraro's comments were so absurd b/c of the hypocrisy. If Clinton was not a woman, she couldn't be first lady, and if she hadn't been married to a president she wouldn't have been able to just pick a state friendly to Democrats and move ther to run for Senate -- so she wouldn't be in the same position if not for her gender. There is no outright racism or sexism in acknowledging these very obvious facts. But the way Ferraro presented it was petty and manipulative, and it was ridiculous coming out of her mouth as a Clinton supporter.
On another note, in the very next segment, Pat went on to defend the Clinton campaign's attack on Obama's not having visited "Latin America and more than one other NATO country" or something. Buchanan said that if he had not traveled abroad, that was fair game b/c Bush had the same criticism in 2000. However, dickhead Pat didn't acknowledge the statement was just spun and Obama lived abroad as a child and has visited several African nations, the Middle East, former Soviet states, Russia and has met with many foreign leaders of the countries he has not made it to. And Clinton should ask the people of all those NATO countries who THEY are supporting for president in this race (hint: it's not her)...
Why do we watch these people? For me, It's an illness. I like to stay informed, but it is getting tiring listen to all the BS. I can't wait for the election to be over. I need some sanity.
BobFlash @ 26:
Donate to C&L.
Maybe it will go away.
I think Ferraro and Buchanan are a couple of assbags, but there is a nugget of truth in what they're saying.
My feeling of inspiration at this 2004 speech and my sense that he's more decent and trustworthy and less willing to "play politics" than other politicians have nothing to do with any component of his mixed ethnicity. That being said, I did get a little bit of an extra fuzzy feeling knowing that I just voted for a black guy, and would probably be the first person in my family (all from MS and TN) to have done so.
Sooo.... I don't think his race is a big draw for people who don't like what he has to say, but I definitely agree with him when he says that his color and name probably don't make it easier on him.
The Clinton campaign can go F themselves for taking a lot of the fun out of this primary.
Ben @ 27:
You say Pat's a "douche" then defend his actions? If you know enough about him to call him a name then you know that he constantly shouts over people and interrupts. He has been getting nastier and nastier as the primary season goes along and MSNBC needs to give him a break.
Being black is an attribute Pat? What kind of an attribute? Like breathing with a respirator?
This sorry episode would have already died if the bigot nation had not got a hold of it and tried to rationalize Ferraro's fucked up unfounded race carding. To hear white people proclaiming that this isn't racist, as if they have the final say on how I'm suppose to interpret race, is laughable in a very sad way.
[deleted - over the top. sitemonitor]to shut up. What a ditz. Buchanan was trying to tell her that the black vote wasn't voting for Obama before S.C. because there aren't any black s in Iowa or NH. Racist!
Renounce! Reject!
Ahhh, there's the Pat Buchanan of the 80's and 90's we all remember - we all knew he'd figure out a way to gnaw away at the leash MSNBC has been holding him with.
Pat, you're a jackass!! Knowing you were dead wrong with your assessment, like a typical Republican, the only way to save face was to get snide, arrogant and completely out of control.
Hey, are we still sure Hillary is a Democrat???
What I'd like to know is why the likes of Buchanan and Bill Bennett are on MSNBC and CNN as 'commentators'?
I have some money riding on this. Was Maddow once a dude? I say he/she was.
"One cannot defend Pat Buchanan against charges of antisemitism"
-William Buckley-
I'd say the same applies for racism, homophobia, you name it.
dr. dave @ 11:
Guilt complex?
Isome @ 352:
What indeed. As a 'white person' I find this "transcending race" argument, and others like it, both arrogant and condescending. Obama is charismatic, and a significant number of voters really like him. This is not because he is 'black' but because he is Obama. Yes, his race is a part of who he is, just as his sociocultural history is a part of who he is, but he is WHERE he is because he is Obama.
AND, Pat Buchanan needs to retire and steer clear of any media. Go sit in a rocking chair on some rural front porch, Pat. Keep your mouth busy drinking a tall glass of iced tea. Write your memoirs, and hope somebody cares enough to buy what you write. I have certainly learned not to buy what you say.
xoites Hussein defends Constitution @ 24:
This is reminding me of "Blazing Saddles":
Bart: Sir, he specifically requested two "n**rs". Well, to tell the family secret, my grandmother was Dutch.
nm @ 177:
But...Obama's first win wasn't South Carolina.
robyn williams @ 182:
The Supremes????
Oh man ha ha ha ha
PrincetonPDX @ 227:
He is a little bit Irish, actually. His Great-Grandfather was from Co. Offaly. So I LOL every time I see his name spelled with the apostrophe.
355 Left&Left
Obama can't "win" either. Neither one are going to get the magic number of 2025 delegates. Some kind of deal making is going to have to happen, and at this point it's speculative to try to predict how it will be cut.
Deal with it.
Pat Buchanan: "Being black helps you get the black vote" (true)
Goff: "(angry unintelligible nonsense like a guest on Jerry Springer)" (????)
Pat Buchanan attempts to respond
Goff repeatedly talks over Pat with angry nonsense and won't let him talk
Pat Buchanan: "Shut up for a second, please"
Then Maddow jumps in and shows the world that she's just as unintelligent and easily offended as Goff is.
Pat Buchanan's tone when he said "shut up" was light-hearted, it wasn't angry. Goff repeatedly trampling over Buchanan's words was the first stone cast, and it was a bigger one, too. Goff was just shutting down all discussion with her belligerent behavior.
This video is a good example of one form of unfair treatment that white males get. They're not allowed to ever talk about race, even intellectually like Buchanan was here, because when they do it's just way too easy for somebody to jump on them and make them look like foaming-mouthed racists.
This blog post is a good example of how it can be spun even further when it goes from one medium to the next. The wording of the title and the content all carefully prepares the reader to hate Pat Buchanan. He got "smacked down" and Logan goes on to mince Buchanan's words into something they weren't just so he can disagree with them.
And every picture of a Republican on this site caught them at a bad moment. And every picture of a Democrat is pristine with them boldly staring off into the distance like a bald eagle.
I understand it, though. There's not nearly as much money in being fair and unbiased, is there? I just find it appalling that this site of all sites has the nerve to criticize other news sources of being unfair and biased. Talk about pot vs kettle.
I feel obligated to mention that I'm not an O'Reilly fan. I'm 21, white, male. I don't identify myself as being part of any political party, but my personal politics fall somewhere between democrat and libertarian depending on mood. I've never voted, and will never vote.
Somebody please put that cocknocker Buchanan out to pasture. He is one of the last gasping wheezing remnants of good ol' fashioned Nixonian bigotry, and everytime he talks it sounds like the echoes coming from a time machine.
c127 @ 21:
And your point is.......
xoites Hussein defends Constitution @ 19:
Yeah, baby! And Mr. Buchanan is a model of decorum and decency compared to the Rove-Limbaugh-Weiner strain of A-Hole!
♣Bangkok Bob♣ @ 32:
+2 HP when running for Prez
xoites Hussein defends Constitution @ 4:
EXACTLY!
As this gets closer to election day Nov. we see the true colors of many people in America. This is why an Obama Presidency is a must!
He's always been a jerk, and he still is. I can't even LOOK at him.
Ash"Hussy"Williams @ 38:
what the hell is that? Code?
garage mahal @ 34:
First of all its not fat ass Pats show to tell anyone to shut up. He runs his slobbery mouth every night on television.
She should've called his bigoted ass out!
Perhaps if the media had some fresh blood, like Rachel, as pundits I could watch more than of few seconds of their garbage. Every station that does this political analysis, is full of loser old hacks that just want to cling to some kind of popularity. Time to get rid of all the old trash that keeps clinging to every election.
In other nations most politicians when they are out of office, disappear back into the real world and go back to work. In the US they become media stars that refuse to leave the arena. Buchanan, Ollie North, Scarborough, Mathews, Ferraro......like, the people already rejected you morons. Now go away.
c127 @ 21:
No he's not, he's half black! :-)
Seriously, this has become ridiculous!
Pat's getting addled in his old age. Clearly, he thought he was on the set of "The McLaughlin Group."
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I hate to say it, while rude, he wasn't so bad.
I don't see her overtalking him any more than he was overtalking her. It was rude. but it wasn't so bad. I expected worse.
Barack's skin color has helped make this more of a Cinderella story. I'm sure he would be in the same place right now if he was a white man, or a woman, but being black has helped make the STORY more inspirational.
♣Bangkok Bob♣ @ 41:
Hahaha no, just a reference to RPGs (not the explody kind).
Pat Buchanan is NEVER right when he tries to discuss race issues. An old white conservative fuck from a generation that commonly tolerated American apartheid can never tell what he thinks on race. Rachel justly embarrassed Pat's fat ass.
vincie @ 46:
It's three o'clock, and your kids are in bed. Who do you want answering the phone?
Dum dum duuuuuuuuummmmmmm
I have such a girl crush on Rachel, ever since I first heard her in Northampton, MA.
vincie @ 46:
People voting for a man who is different from the same-old same-old. The man promises change and change is what America wants.
(by the way, you all Caps comment shows you feelings about ethnicity)
vincie @ 46:
What percentage of whites voted for Hilary?
What percentage of women voted for Hilary?
What percentage of men voted for Barack?
Yes, they are all factors, but it leads to bullshit when you try to say someone's success is based solely on the one factor. Pat didn't say that, but Geraldine suggested it.
And stop typing in goddamn caps!
how was that a smackdown?
c127 @ 21:
I know. Why is it that Whites all refer to him as black? Has anyone ever bothered to ask Obama how he self-identifies?
Jbrd @ 54:
it wasn't one.
poster just got excited that pat got partially schooled.
I watch regularly (I know call me nuts), I generally usually appreciate Pat's insight on these shows because you know he usually calls them like he sees them and damn the torpedo's. Although I don't agree with him 95% of the time, I like to watch him because at least I know I'm getting an opposing point of view.
Last night was different, he definitely slipped up with the Shut Up comment and Rachel was great with the quick dress down. I just kept waiting for his gentleman's apology for getting caught up in the debate. He's a gentleman first, representing the old order, he should have done the right thing and apologized for using that kind of language. Saying Shut Up like that had no place in the discussion and Pat knows better. I was genuinely suprised that he didn't apologize right away. I kept waiting for him to, based upon how I 've seen him on these shows before. He and Rachel usually have a good healthy banter, it was definitely out of character. Pat do the right thing and give a quick apology next time you are on air, you know its the gentleman's way, and we'll all move on.
Tell you one thing, I would take Buchanan any day as the right wing foil on these shows as opposed to Rove, Kristol, Krauthammer et. al. At least Pat is palatable and seems to add that perspective to the argument legitimately.
If there wasn't racism in the media, this wouldn't even be a discussion. They are the ones that brought the subject up and keep talking about it. They don't talk about his success in the Illinois senate, they talk about the missed votes. Isn't it the medias job to find out about the candidate?
So does Buchanan's "shut up!" comment now mean he'll get his own show on MSNBC? Remember when Scabby did that a couple years ago. I was stunned he was rewarded with his own show.
SuburbanGrrrl @ 55:
That's one of Obama's strong points, He is NOT running as a black man, he never uses the race card. He is running on the promise of a change in America, a United America.
He doesn't spell his name BuKKKanan for nothing.
-GSD
Buchanon should have apologized, totally inappropriate. That said, anyone who doesn't believe that the corporate owned main stream media hasn't been pushing for this two person race, Obama because he's black and Clinton because she's a woman, just isn't paying attention. The MSM certainly wants Clinton to be the ultimate winner because they believe that with the kid glove treatment they're giving McCain that they can put another repugnicant in the White House.
So, in the context I've just explained, Ferraro is right to say that he has benefitted from being black at this moment in time. How could a candidate like Bill Richardson, with his tremendous amount of political experience, have been so marginalized by the MSM? Answer; because, even though he is hispanic, he is too vanilla and would have spanked ANYONE the repugnicants would have put up. That argument could also be made about several other dems (Kucinich, Edwards et al).
So yeah, he was rude and should have apologized, but this is probably the ONLY time I have to agree with his overall message. On the other hand, Ms. Goff could use some lessons in manners too. Let the man talk and THEN make your statement. When you step on his answers while he's giving them, you just sound like Rush Limburger.
Left&Left @ 49:
Yep. This is one issue where you can't take the plantation out of old Pat.
-GSD
Is this "news"? I think not. Besides, who doesn't know that PB is a HUGE asshole?
♣Bangkok Bob♣ @ 60:
Agreed. This is Hillary's last stand. Appeal to fragile fears of the white voters and try to pull Obama(who to his credit, will not make race or gender an issue) into the slime with her. What a leader you'll make Hil.
I'm amazed at the story line here. Not so much about Ferraro or Buchanan perse, but about the race issue in the campaign. That very beautiful woman, Goff?, alluded to it quite indirectly in her comments about Barack not having the support of a substantial majority of Blacks before South Carolina.
Barack is a good man. I expect he will win the nomination and I will then vote for him in November. However, the storyline about the Clintons and racism and race cards in mainly a crock. The Barack forces were faced with a problem of significant support for Hillary among Blacks. It was the Barack forces - not Barack imself, imho, who decided to play the race card by accusing the Clintons of playing the race card. It was, to be truthful, a Rovian tactic in which you play against your opponent's strength and attempt to dismantle the strength. It is the Swift Boat tactic. If Bill Clinton has a rapport with Black voters, then destroy that rapport. It requires a complicit media to do that in part to prevent a media inquiry into where these stories originated and who first brought such and such charges, but that turned out not to be a problem. It was so successful that even Jesse Jackson coming to Bill Clinton's defense over Clinton's remarks about Jackson's South Carolina wins could not save Clinton from the media sharks.
How do I feel about it? I'm up in the air. It was hardly a riskless strategy, because it was important to retain White support while branding the Clinton campaign as cynically playing the race card. It worked. I don't think the people who did it are bad people. Maybe because I'm a bit to the left of "liberal." I would and do think Republicans are evil when they use Rovian tactics.
If only he'd said "Shut the FUCK up!!," we might well be rid of him. A lot of these conservative moralists, including Herr Rove, curse worse than sailors when they're off-camera...
Left&Left @ 65:
Heck, if he's a distant cousin of Dick Cheney, why are they saying he's black?
Stephen @ 15:
"That girl?....THat girl?" I'll defend your right to free speech. But I don't agree that she is a "girl." She is a *woman* thank you very much. And don't you forget that!
Left&Left @ 14:
As a guy, I'll date her... Hell, I'll gladly be a lesbian for a day to be with her.
Both the black lady and pat buchanan are racists.No doubt about it.Still made me laugh when Pat [deleted - over the top. sitemonitor].Classic comedy from an old white bastard.
Having met Pat Buchanan before, I can say that the original comment that he must need a vacation is more on the mark than anyone in this section screaming that Pat is an asshole. Pat Buchanan is one of the nicest gentlemen you'll ever meet, and he always holds a civil discussion. If you've ever seen him on McLaughlin Group then you know that he can be combative, but he's never rude. For him to let something like that slip out must mean that he's getting really tired.
I think all the commentators are tiring out in this election season. With no big news we've been hyper-focused on the minutiae, and that's exhausting. Maddow, Buchanan, and the other usual MSNBC commentators have been on TV almost every day for the last few months in addition to their normal work. It's taking a toll, and you can see it.
As for Buchanan taking Ferraro's side, that doesn't surprise me at all. Pat's a staunch conservative, and Ferraro's thoughts are something that the conservative side has been thinking for quite a while now, even if they haven't been saying it out loud. Obama's story wouldn't be nearly as interesting if he were just some white guy from New Jersey (especially New Jersey), but his campaign has never even mentioned race until it's been goaded to do so. It's Clinton that keeps bringing up race, dragging the campaign down. I've heard the Obama campaign described as "post-racial," and that's a great word for it. It's not that people don't see he's black, it's that no one cares, so when someone brings it up, they're the one who ends up looking like a monster. Of course, from the conservative side, no one cares how Obama is campaigning, just that he's in the position to run. They're not going to vote for him anyway, so from their perspective, the only reason he's on the national stage is because of his heritage.
Unfortunately, the guest that Mr. Buchanan spoke to, was being a completely rude participant in the conversation, herself. Let us hope that she (is it Ms. Goff?) doesn't get return requests to panel discussions.
Ms. Maddow's observation was correct, Pat Buchanan almost never behaves in the manner witnessed. But, somebody need to tell that woman to allow another commentator to finish. I think Ms. Goff has been watching too much Bill O'Reilly.
Did you notice that Ms. Maddow waited her turn to speak?
I am so tired of the media dividing everyone into groups and telling us how we are voting. I have a feeling many factors figure in to everyones decision. I am an older white women and I have been a liberal all my life. I would like to see a woman president, but I support Obama. This is simply not the time and more importantly not the right woman.
"..biographies of previous black presidents"
Ooh, snap!
Reichwingers hate it when they're not in charge.
Sense of entitlement, maybe?
"...tell me about how the black vote explains Obama’s win in Utah.”
YES!YES!YES!
Go Rachel! Twist that knife into the heart of that stupid, racist right-wing fucknut!
Yes, I know being black is such an advantage in this country. I mean, look at all those black Republicans in positions of leadership.
And MSNBC gives a show to that Bush ass-kissing David Gregory? Rachel Maddow is PRIME TIME READY!!!
SassySandy @ 74:
THANK YOU!
amy @ 20:
Exactly! He's been echoing Ferrara's comments ever since they became known.
That MSNBC even has him on at all, let alone has him discussing race issues is beyond offensive. It speaks more of MSNBC/NBC than it does of Pat Buchanan.
We all know what HE"S about.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/17/pat-buchanan-finally-call_n_820...
http://i3.democracynow.org/1996/2/20/pat_buchanans_history_of_anti_semitism
OT and sickening:
Iraqi Girl Slain By U.S. Troops
In Iraq, a ten-year old girl died Thursday after U.S. soldiers shot her north of Baghdad. The Pentagon says the soldiers intended to fire a warning shot at a woman who was signaling someone.
Left&Left @ 65:
Isn't reference to "white fear" racist as well as slanderous?
Whites vote with a cart of issues like any one else.
Gee, I wish I was a black man instead of a white man - then I could be president! I mean it would be SO much easier to get ahead if I were black. Life is totally unfair :(
I'm so glad you put this up ... I was hoping you would
I was laughing last night as Goff handed Pat his spleen
Also, Buchanan and Ferraro and others are allowed to go on TV and say Barack Obama only has a shot at the Democratic nomination because he's black. Then how come I'm not invited to go on TV and say that John McCain only got the nomination because he was a reckless fighter pilot who got captured by the enemy during the Vietnam war and has been using his POW status to gain an advantage with the MSM ever since? I would be crucified for saying that, but it's probably just as true as the statements Buchanan makes about Obama.
Buchanan says that not believing Obama has an advantage because he's black is like not believing that Dubya has an advantage because of his father . Really ? I didn't know Obama had a C average in college, got military deferments because he was black and was bailed out financially from his business disasters by well-heeled black associates .
The only advantage Obama has in being black is that he doesn't LOOK like the same old white, elitist northern European descended two-faced corporate political tools that are now losing their minds that he hasn't been put in his place . That advantage would have evaporated the second he opened his mouth had his message been no different than Hillary's or McCain's . It's not .
He's not winning because he's black . He's winning because people have felt hopeless for seven long years and he, for better or worse, is Moses . And right now Hillary is looking a lot like Pharoah .
there's a certain irony when Pat tells a black woman to shut up when he's trying to defend someone's racism. But we all knew Pat was an asshole, didn't we?
He's like one of those toys with a string that you pull and it talks. It says the same thing forever. "blah blah racism" "blah blah free market" "blah blah blah blah"
Rachel has a great ability to defuse Buchanan, and I'm always impressed in how she bests Buchanan in these matchups. It's a fact that is not lost on Buchanan, either--he never goes after her, never attempts to outshout her. That said, it's a shame she has to waste her time on Abrams' show. She ought to be hosting that slot. Abrams is immature and loud...sort of a human talking point.
MoneymenSNeoconBC
84 Dom
That's the whole problem. Everyone is rumor-mongering the opposition instead of talking issues.
They may be discussing issues on the debates, but that's cable not our free infotainment.
We've recently had a slew of soldiers killed in Iraq, probably more in Afghanistan, people can no longer afford energy, food prices are rising exponentially, and all we can talk about is people who point out the obvious, and the sex habits of Democrats.
To be fair though, I'm sure McCain supporters are celebrating, because it puts his blonde lobbyist story behind him
iraqhusseinconcilable @ 85:
Like most black men, I think Obama got out of a DUI because he was black too. You're right on the topic of why he's winning too. He's one of the only politicians selling hope instead of fear.
zugzug @ 86:
In this day-and-age of massive recalls of Chinese made food and toys, McCain's going around saying we're over-regulated.
"Shut up for a second" yes Pat you should take your own advise. Your not going to ever win playing the poor oppressed white person card, at least not for another 400 years.
Okay, maybe there are a few black people who are voting for Barack because he is black. But to say that makes Geraldine's point legitimate would be to admit that there are no white people voting for Hillary because she is not black.
American politics is truly insane.
I will vote for obama cuz he is trying to change the neo-con mess we are in. Will he make a difference against giant white corporations? I dont know but they will try and get their repug buddies to obstruct the dems like they did to prez Clinton.
Pat never said he was sorry. He comes from the Republican school of talking over everyone that does not agree with his point of view. It is nice to see someone call him on it. Maddow will do fine when she replaces Tucker.
cg @ 93:
It's positioning, when she initially started her run is was seen as a change being the first viable female candidate. Then Obama started running as the bigger change (he argues hope [Bill Clinton's strength], his supporters often for race).
They'll always be people who vote on race and gender as long as the media doesn't inform and educate as to what the issues are.
♣Bangkok Bob♣ @ 60:
And that is why I voted for Obama in the primary and also since I'm in Illinois I voted for him for the Senate. I think he is the most qualified to be our next president instead of Clinton.
For those saying that there is a nugget of truth in what Buchanan is saying. You have to take a step back and realize that the nugget of truth is completely overwhelmed by the fact that Obama is a very inspirational candidate to everybody. If Obama was riding on the coattails of being black then why haven't Jesse Jackson, or Al Sharptan been able to do the same?
I'm hoping for Obama to win the nomination.
I'm planning on voting for him.
I hate to say it, but I agree with Buchanan in this segment.
Yes, being a black man has probably helped Obama stand out from the crowd in this particular part of his career. It's not racist to admit that. We're all worried about being so p.c., but the fact is we all have attributes and personal situations beyond our control that help/hurt us in our careers and life -- height, weight, sex, skin color, rich parents, funny name, former president as father.
It's no big deal. We should move on now.
I have to commend Rachel Maddow for regularly putting up with that homophobic, hate-filled idiot without strangling him.
cg @ 93:
There are large amounts of older white women supporting Clinton just because she is a woman. I think the issue is bigger than that. I'm a white male in my 60s and I see a lot of older white males and females in Baracks audiences.
ysbaddaden @ 81:
Playing with words on such a serious topic is a little dumb. There are white people out here who are hesitant to vote for Obama because of various learned fears of black folks. Don't try to deny that that kind of thinking still exists. Remember Willie Horton, smart ass?
AndrewK @ 98:
If I wanted inspiration I would go to church.
I avoid church religiously.
SassySandy @ 74:
I so totally agree with you.
Rachel, your surge IS working.
Keep smacking 'em where they spew their unchallenged drivel.
102 Left&Left
Good thing you don't represent any campaign or you'd be force to apologize and resign/or be fired.
To say that Obama is doing well because he is black is stupid. Sure he is getting the black vote. No doubt partly because he is black. But to have this discussion and be objective you have to ask how many votes is he losing because he is black. You also have to look at the person in general. Obama is a good politician. He is a good campaigner. He is smart. He is very likable. He is a pleasure to be around. He has a good message. Would he make a good President? Hopefully we will find out. After Bush the bar is pretty low. It will be nice to see the bar raised again. Go Obama!
I also refered to "a cart of issues," and race and gender politics could be among the individual items.
That's why I wish everyone would talk about the comparative stands on the issues.
Vickif @ 104:
Ditto!
Considering the level of vitriol that passes for clever political discussion these days, I don't find telling someone to shut up to be terribly rude.
What most of these bobble heads are missing is the fact that Obama is half black, half white.
Also, if we want to make an issue about racial voting. Whites have been voting overwhelmly for white candidates in the past 40+ presidential campaigns. African Americans do it once, and some white peeps are going into a hissy fit.
Like Chris Rock once said:"Blacks had to deal with a few centuries of slavery, lack of equal rights, etc. White folk have had to deal with 3 decades of affirmative action, and they can't take it anymore. Ain't that a bitch?"
The complete ignorance and racism that is prevalent among privileged white pundits like Geraldine Ferraro and Pat Buchanan is utterly staggering. They need to spend some time living in the country, outside their gated communities, to actually see and feel what it's like for the people they so comfortably label, categorize, and presume to speak on behalf of. On the upside, it's this same total ignorance and racism, at times like these, that reveal these insipid boors for exactly what they are. If I were even remotely affiliated with either Ferraro or Buchanan, I would be thoroughly embarrassed and ashamed to know them.
ysbaddaden @ 106:
And if you represented a campaign, you'd probably be Hillary.
Ron @ 101:
Absolutely. Every politician has his/her 'niche' audience, and occasionally race and gender plays into that. I'm sure Tom Tancredo had his niche audience. So people need to cut the crap about how race or gender is the single solitary dictator of success - it's such a cheap shot and anybody with a functioning brain cell should be able to recognize that it takes a LOT more than mere privelege to succeed in the face of such rigorous scrutiny.
Every time Buchanan is on, he dominates the conversation and never lets anyone else get a word in edgewise. He is the one who should "shut up'" at least once in a while..
Dinosaurs became extinct because they could not learn to adapt...theres a message there for you paddy...
Jon @ 72:
xoites Hussein defends Constitution @ 13:
Are you going to start by counting yourself?
Buchanan is a rude douche bag but what he's saying is somewhat true. Obama does have a strong backing from blacks. I don't think that's racist to say. When Oprah spoke in a southern drawl in South Carolina, she said, "Dr. King dreamed the dream. We get to vote that dream into reality by supporting a man who knows not just who we are but who we can be," That is also playing the "race card". Is that wrong? I don't think so. It's no different than Bush (who's a reborn christian) speaking of God in front of a crowd of Christians. The only difference (I would hope) is the sincerity of the their words.
My 21 year old daughter and her friends are on the Obama bandwagon. They were raised to accept people for who they are and not make assumptions based on race. They see Obama as a well spoken man with an agenda they feel will help there futures.
Ferraro's comments were meant to open dialog, perhaps to "divide and conquer" (something you would expect from a republican). Mississippi white voters prove that there are some places that have not evolved past race, but there is no denying the fact Obama's base is a wide mix of people who want change in most of America.
As far as Pat Buchanan telling someone to shut up. Dan Abrams should have taken control of his show, not Rachael Maddow. Rachael Maddow is so ridiculously smart, these shows are really below her intelligence. How can anyone really be shocked by Buchanans rudeness?
dr. dave @ 11:
It didn't stop you from writing it, now did it?
For those of you who think the sun rises and sets on Obama, perhaps you should check into the guy he calls his mentor. Brian Ross of ABC has a great article on Rev. Wright.
Go to ABC.com to read about this whack job.
ysbaddaden @ 108:
The desperate soon to be the Democratic silver medalist Hillary needs to keep off the issues because she knows she can't win unless the campaign gets side tracked. Race, NAFTA lies, Resko BS, plagiarism,etc. All concoctions from an angry selfish old woman who thinks something that's HERS is slipping away.
michaeledward @ 73:
What kind of crap is that? All Buchanan does is interupt others. Now you blame Ms. Goff for Pats rudeness? He doe's need a vacation. I am tired of seeing him. He wanted to say shut up ybb!
I love Maddow!
PssttCmere @ 118:
THIS IS OLD SHIT. SEAN HANNATY SPITS THIS GARBBAGE OUT EVER NIGHT. MOVE ON PLEASE.
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No one in the media talks about the white repugnats that crossed the line and voted for Clinton under Rush's suggestions. The neocons are afraid of the change that Obama will try to accomplish. They know it will be easier to win against Clinton.
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Hey Cylde, in the words of Pat Buchanan...
Obama would never be a presidential candidate if he were a white man with Downs Syndrome, or a woman with the IQ of Britney Spears.
That proves that there is discrimination in favour of intelligent, articulate, cultured, charismatic, interesting, educated persons who happen to be half black and half white.
:)
It didn’t stop you from writing it, now did it?
For those of you who think the sun rises and sets on Obama, perhaps you should check into the guy he calls his mentor. Brian Ross of ABC has a great article on Rev. Wright.
Go to ABC.com to read about this whack job.
So, you think that his pastor is Barack. His pastor is not running forr office. What;s your point?
SuburbanGrrrl @ 69:
THAT GIRL - Tell me, can you remember Pat telling one else to shut up. NO, JUST THAT GIRL.
I must state this truth, although i know that all of the political pundits on television will strike me down with the awesome power of their great wisdom: All the previous presidents elected in this country received an unfair advantage because they were white. You know the sympathy that those oppressed white people get because of that collective black guilt. I mean, look at those plaid golf pants they are all forced to wear.There, I said it. And now I must face the consequences.
I've always wondered why they give an old racist like Pat Buchanan such reverence at MSNBC. Who did he bribe to get on as their 24/7 right-wing mouthpiece?
and that is putting it mildly. the election is coming to a head, and you will see all the closet bigots, stick there heads from there holes to try to subvert this election. business as usual is being threatened.
greg @ 120:
Watch fat Pat on "The Mclaughlin Group". He interrupts Eleanor Clift all the time. Pat clearly doesn't respect women.
The "shut up" portion of this segment was the least interesting part of the exchange... How can anyone deny the logic of Buchannan's remarks and not be branded a racist... That's the interesting part of this debate...
Hillary and Bill Clinton have made a significant issue about how the press is treating Hillary unfairly in their hyper-critical reporting on her and their “softball” reporting on Barak Obama. Hillary maintains she has been fully investigated by the media and Barak hasn’t! As the Tony Rezko trial begins in Chicago, Clinton and her surrogates are linking Obama to Rezko and the media is speculating about whether Obama will be called to testify as a witness in the case. Obama has always admitted he received $85,000 in contributions from Rezko which Obama has now donated to charity rather than keep. Yet the civil fraud trial of Bill Clinton for defrauduing Hillary’s largest donor in 2000 into giving her campaign more than $1.2 million, pending in Los Angeles courts since 2003, is now preparing for a November, 2008 trial. The discovery that is now proceeding after a February 21 hearing, and the pending trial, have NEVER been announced by the mainstream media. Hillary was able to extricate herself as a co-defendant in the case in January, 2008 after years of appeals to be protected by the First Amendment from tort claims arising out of federal campaign solicitations she made. Her abuse of the intent of California’s anti-SLAPP law after the California Supreme Court refused to dismiss her from the case in 2004 is emblematic of her contempt for the Rule of Law. Hillary will be called as a witness in both discovery and the trial according to the trial court Judge who so-advised Hillary’s attorney David Kendall when he dismissed Hillary as a co-defendant in 2007. A subpoena is being prepared this month and will be served personally on Hillary, along with Chelsea, Pa Gov. Ed Rendell, Al Gore and other well known political and media figures. Yet the media has refused to report about this landmark civil fraud case- brought by Hillary’s biggest 2000 donor to her Senate race, regarding allegations that were corroborated by the Department of Justice in the criminal trial of Hillary’s finance director David Rosen in May, 2005. That indictment and trial was credited as resulting from the civil suit’s allegations by Peter Paul, the Hollywood dot com millionaire Bill Clinton convinced to donate more than $1.2 million (according to the DOJ prosecutors and the FBI) to Hillary’s Senate campaign as part of a post White House business deal with Bill. The media - except for World Net Daily- has also suspiciously refused to report on Hillary’s last FEC report regarding her 2000 Senate campaign, filed in January 30, 2006. In a secret settlement of an FEC complaint by the plaintiff in Paul v Clinton, Peter Paul, the FEC fined Hillary’s campaign $35,000 for hiding more than $720,000 in donations from Paul, and it required Hillary’s campaign to file a 4th amended FEC report. In that report Hillary and her campaign again hid Paul’s $1.2 million contribution to her campaign and falsely attributed $250,000 as being donated by Paul’s partner, Spider Man creator Stan Lee, who swore in a video taped deposition he never gave Hillary or her campaign any money. Lee did testify to trading $100,000 checks with Paul to make it appear he gave $100,000 to Hillary’s campaign (admission of a felony) but none of that has been reported by the “overly critical” media! Where is the outrage from Obama that the press is engaging in a double standard relating to his possible role in the Rezko trial and his refunding the $85,000 contributed to his campaign by Rezko- which Obama has always admitted taking. The media makes no mention of Hillary’s role as a witness in Bill’s fraud trial for defrauding Hillary’s largest donor- and Hillary’s refusal to refund the $1.2 million she illegally received from Paul, which she has denied taking from Paul ever since the Washington Post asked her about Paul and his felony convictions from the 1970’s before her first Senate election in 2000? Visit Hillcap.org for videos and info.
If you are trying to make a point and somebody's constantly cutting you off in mid-sentence, it is appropriate to tell that rude individual to shut up for a second, but you must include the word, please. If two people are not in the same room it is tough to know when to shut up so the other person can respond. In a remote hookup the normal visual cues of a face to face conversation are missing.
Maddow was right about Pat Buchanan. I've watched Pat in countless heated verbal confrontations over many decades. This is the first time he was so blunt with anybody. This was strikingly out of character for him. Either Pat is much less tolerant in his declining years or that broad was really gattdam annoying; or maybe both.
dee-Hussein-zus @ 47:
That's exactly what the MSM has lead us to believe and its a patently false presumption...total bullshit.
Race has become a tool to steer the discussion away from the real debate...what direction will we go as a nation and whose the "best" candidate to take us there. Let's face it, Obama has run an extraordinary campaign, bringing a freshness to a shitty political climate fostered by the old guard on both sides of the aisle. He, to his benefit and detriment, has attempted to avoid the nasty, divisive political paradigm of the past few decades. Clinton has purposely, in the past two months, tried to appeal to white America's "intuitive" grounding in race and racism.
To continue to make Obama's race an issue is an all too obvious but useful tactics to steer many whites away from voting for him.
Amusing how people who support Obama for his appeals to Unity, use such divisive language.
This is what they call the Democratic version of a circular firing squad.
As for people crossing lines to vote for Hillary I doubt it's a significant percentage. The republicans want to run against Hillary, because they see her as easier to beat, and hope to dredge up old disproved scandals against her.
But since they're experts at creating "scandals" out of thin air don't doubt for a minute Obama will face that if he's the candidate.
Pat did not say Shut up! He said "shut up for a moment, please." He said that because he couldn't get a word in - and the commentator just kept talking.... and asking questions, "shut up for a moment, please". An answer is forthcoming. Courtesy!!
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