I wish Democrats looked like this all of the time. If we keep up this message the Dems will be unstoppable in Nov.

no one asked huckabee about his sermons.

What Would John Adams Do?

L.A. Confidential @ 3:

Oh yeah Fox News. Our Daily Dose of Mental Pollution.

I agree... What a waste of time. Watching faux news, is like watching paint dry.

I hope Chris Dodd did a turn thru the sheep dip after being on FAUX with the bad son Wallace. Not that he is a Sheep, but you can't be too careful.

How is this not an issue in this campaign. He and his wife spent 20 years being basted in the resentful, hateful, contemptuous racist worldview of the Rev. Wright?

It is an issue for me.

Betty @ 12:

How is this not an issue in this campaign. He and his wife spent 20 years being basted in the resentful, hateful, contemptuous racist worldview of the Rev. Wright?

It is an issue for me.

You wouldn't vote for a Democrat anyway troll, so your issues are irrelevant.

For the rabid xenophobic wingnuts who will likely fill this thread shortly, this link to a column appearing in the Chicago Tribune has nothing to offer. For the rest of us, if you would like to read a thoughtful, probing column on the issue of race and this election cycle, this is a very interesting read.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/editorials/chi-0314edit1mar14...

McCain will not release his tax records. What is he trying to hide?

that was awesome, dodd and shumer owned little-man wallace.

Rev. Wright was wrong to espouse his ideas from the pulpit, but is he any worse than Catholic-hater John Hagee or Muslim-hater Rod Parsley? Why hasn't John McCain been more active about denouncing those men who have publicly supported and endorsed him?

These conservatives who are so shocked (Shocked!) by Wright's sermon haven't read the Bible. Take a hour, Mr. Wallace, and read the Psalms, Jeremiah, or Isaiah and you'll find condemnations and lurid imagery of judgement that make Wright's sermons seem tame. God is not an American and therefore doesn't have the luxury of tunnel vision. A murder of an Iraqi, a Palestinian, or a Vietnamese is just as wrong to God as the murder of an American. Even an atheist could see that 9/11 was a case of the chickens coming home to roost after a half century of assasinations (Iran, Chile, etc.), invasions (Vietnam, Panama, etc.), and careless meddling (East Timor, Nicaragua, Cuba, etc.)

Betty Says:

How is this not an issue in this campaign. He and his wife spent 20 years being basted in the resentful, hateful, contemptuous racist worldview of the Rev. Wright?

It is an issue for me.

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hmmmmmm.........are the 'christian' 'pastors' of hate called hagee and pasly .. 'McCains' 'spiritual advisors an issue for you ? the one's advocating the destruction of the entire Muslin religion, advocating bombing Iran so as to fulfill the 'biblical proficies' of the 'end times' ..which means also the destruction of all jews who do not convert to christianity .. the ones saying katrina was the fault of gay people living in new orleans, that 9/11 was caused by lesbians and witches, and all the rest of this kind of delusional messanic shit an issue for you ? of course not, cause you enjoy being a fucking bigot
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Betty @ 12:

How is this not an issue in this campaign. He and his wife spent 20 years being basted in the resentful, hateful, contemptuous racist worldview of the Rev. Wright?

It is an issue for me.

Gee Betty, that Bigotry your wearing looks just ... well ... it just looks so YOU.

Everyone should have seen this coming. The GOP can't wait to pick Obama apart. Remember this is only the FIRST of many issues. They are going to find recordings or old video of the Pastor on other anti-white rants to contradict Obama's claim. They are going to get tapes from Barack's daughter's baptism and other crazy stuff. The GOP is ruthless and we are about to be pwnd by them. Why oh why did we fall for their trick of sacrificing Hillary?

Thank God the LoRd blessed us with the ability to put bad things behind us, learn from it, and do something positive for the world rather then lingering and wallowing in the misery's and guilt of our past actions and failures.

Imagine if Religious Preachers gave sermons like that!

I would like to add that the real problem is that everyone knows in their heart that the essence and the sentiment of what the Preacher said is damn true anyways. Yet the exact fear we have at acknowledging that is the realization that the GOP are pure geniuses as tayloring racist and bigoted negative advertising. Remember, they took Howard Dean down because of one two-second yell. That's how effective the Right-Wing slime machine is. Yet Hillary was called a fool for talking about a "vast rigth-wing conspiracy".

Well wouldn't you all be obsessing if McCain went to a racist white church???......YES!

Spicegal @ 317:

Never mind that nearly every Republican politician have unapologetically bedded down with the wackiest of the wackos on the Christian Right.

And those are the people most upset with Wright's comments, considering they think that our government itself is run by God - Manifest Destiny and all.

I feel like getting down on my knees in public and asking forgiveness for ever criticizing what our country/government has done:

"forgive me, almighty American government, for ever doubting your greatness. For ever doubting the way citizens have been treated in the past. You, our government, are our almighty and most perfect master"

Your site is losing good liberal readers due to all the Obama supporters trying to demonize Hillary all the time (and your site apparently being in full support of this type behavior).

well,we've all seen what's happened to HRC when BC became Prez.
What do you think will happen to Michelle Obama?
More of the same that happened to HRC I suspect.

anneyhussein @ 343:

Peter G @ 335:

xoites Hussein defends Constitution @ 324:

I am still confused about the outrage by progressives over Wright's single statement, "God Damn America."

America enslaved blacks, dismembered them if they tried to escape, lynched blacks, made them drink from seperate water fountains, made them use different bathrooms, excluded them from restaraunts, kept education away from them...

America underfunds their schools, arrests them and incarcerates them at an alarming rate, redlines their neighborhoods, insists there is no racial discrimination, beats them upon arrest, pull them over for driving down public highways...

If i were black "GODDAMN!" would be the politest thing i could think of.

The answer I believe is that they are not entirely as progressive as they think they are.People often do and say things in anger such as burning a flag. That does not mean they hate their country but that they despise specific things about their country. Senator Obama has made a strong statement disavowing the reverends more heated statements and that should be sufficient for any reasonable person. It is good enough for me. For Bucklers of Swash nothing will ever be enough.

I agree about people not being as "progressive" as they think they are, though they may not claim to be progressive at home. They may actually be racists who think they aren't. America will never get beyond racism as long as white Americans expect African Americans to become "just like them" except for the color of their skins. IOW, AAs must play the white man's games and by his rules, and by no means change any of the rules because of mutual understanding about what in the rules are so destructive to those who aren't white. The first wave of women in the workforce back in the 70s found themselves in the same position. Only very slowly did corporate rules change to take their talents and gifts into account.

This really is a good opportunity for us all to develop more understanding of each other and learn how we're far more alike at our best and at our worst. It is an opportunity we haven't had in a long long time.

How do we get there? We focus on the positive. The things that we all value. I don't think this Minister does that...he's a hater. Is a church made for expressions of anger? Being a member of that church for 20 years is something to consider, that's all. There are plenty of places to express anger and talk of injustice (besides Faux) the Senate floor is a good place for that.

If it was Clinton's minister, the posters on this site would be out for Hillary's blood!
Obama's pastor, and Obama, get a pass. Fair & Balanced, just like Fox!

Richard Peterson @ 301:

herbert @ 273:

The first black man should be an African-American descendant of slavery

The first black President should be the best candidate in the race, because America needs the best leadership available. His race and ethnicity should be irrelevant. Barack Obama has been growing in strength and charactar during the campaign, while Clinton has descended into racism, sexism and victimhood, and McCain has sunk further into pandering and senility.

A diverse man to lead a diverse nation.

You live in a nice utopia, the more you repeat it, the more you'll believe it.

It amazes me how so many of these so called progressives share the exact same views as Fox. This the same kind of unfounded, contrived bullshit that doomed Gore and Kerry and thus gave us eight years of Bush. We can't afford to fuck around with trivial dumb shit this time. Whatever Rev.Wright thinks, Obama is too bright a guy to allow anyone to steer him in the wrong direction. I'm sure whatever room Obama is in, he thinks he's the smartest guy in that room.Until someone can directly connect any action by Obama with his relationship with this Pastor, this is a non story..... period.

Spencer@369 On what ballot have you seen Reverend Wright's name.

Who didn't see this coming? Folks, watch what the faux patriots on right wing radio do with this. This is only the beginning.

go1 @ 365:

Your site is losing good liberal readers due to all the Obama supporters trying to demonize Hillary all the time (and your site apparently being in full support of this type behavior).

Spare us your trite and simplistic generalizations. And Hillary will get what she deserves, for better or worse. Your poor me victimhood doesn't cut it here.

go1 @ 365:

Your site is losing good liberal readers due to all the Obama supporters trying to demonize Hillary all the time (and your site apparently being in full support of this type behavior).

If you think Hillary and, by association, her supporters are liberals then you haven't been paying much attention in the last eight years. Hillary is a centrist, pure and simple. She's no liberal in my book. Besides, if you don't like what you see in THIS blog, you're more than welcome to go somewhere else, where YOUR kind of liberalism is welcome. Here's a good link:http://blog.hillaryclinton.com/

McDuff @ 383:

go1 @ 365:

Your site is losing good liberal readers due to all the Obama supporters trying to demonize Hillary all the time (and your site apparently being in full support of this type behavior).

If you think Hillary and, by association, her supporters are liberals then you haven't been paying much attention in the last eight years. Hillary is a centrist, pure and simple. She's no liberal in my book. Besides, if you don't like what you see in THIS blog, you're more than welcome to go somewhere else, where YOUR kind of liberalism is welcome. Here's a good link:http://blog.hillaryclinton.com/

Kiss my ass fool

Swashbuckler @ 101:

Snowball @ 13:

You'll forgive me if I don't think that "god damn America" is accurate...

You can't pretend to know what brings a person to say such things about the country he was born and raised in until you've walked in his shoes and experienced the same experiences he has. How do you think African Americans and other minorities feel when they are treated and dealt with as if they do not belong here, that this isn't their country or their ancestors', that no one cares whether they live the American dream or not.

Do you even pause to think why the reverend would say such things or do you just go by the dictionary definition of the words and then cry foul?

No matter how you slice it, those are the retired Pastor Wright's words not those of Barack Obama.

It is interesting how people are yapping as if the United States has done absolutely no wrong in the world and this global anti-American sentiment comes from out of freak'n nowhere. The American pulse KNOWS it has a world community perception & deed problem.

Here's some controversial teachings from a pulpit:

___No sex before marriage
___Marriage is until death do you part
___No second marriages, while your first "spouse" still lives

Christians violate these WELL KNOWN teachings on a daily basis, but they don't stop going to their churches just because they disagree with those aspects of Christian teachings.

No one else has sat on their own church pew and heard something controversial coming from the pulpit? I find this odd.

Most religious leaders do indeed take the liberty of defying political correctness, even if the members in the congregation do not ...whether it's Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, John Haggie, or Jeremiah Wright.

Also, how much of what Rev. Wright said was NOT true... OR is it just Rev. Wright's audacity to be blunt with the truth, which may be accosting Americans in denial?

"Racism is alive and well in this country."
That is an "inflammatory" statement, however, it is also a true statement.

Inflammatory but TRUE:
___Hillary Clinton does not know what it's like to be Black in America.
___Hillary Clinton does not know what it's like to be poor in America, living from check to check.
___The USA has been run by wealthy white "MALES."
___The USA has been arrogant in its foreign policy, defying even the United Nations to invade Iraq.
___The USA trained the very terrorists we seek. Yes, Osama bin Laden and the like were trained by US forces.
___Blacks in America have been held to a higher standard than Whites just to gain the same end outcome of achievement.

Those statements are inflammatory but true. The "outrage" at Rev. Wright's last few sermons appears disingenuous.

Where is the real animosity here... that he told the truth OR that the truth was told without sugar on top? No one likes getting slapped with the naked truth or any blunt assessment of the truth.

People are still dealing with the PRESCRIBED outrage, and have not yet paused for a moment to actually address the validity of the content.

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Black communication, in general, is more blunt and direct. I doubt that there are a lot of Blacks in shock mode over what Rev. Wright said, they seem to be in a more embarrassed-for-Barack mode.

[White Susie's Mom would say: Susie, sweetheart, I know you're getting much older now and you're becoming more attracted to boys, but I need you to be careful and know that you can come talk to me any time.]

[Black Susie's Mom would say: I know you think you grown, but you better keep your damn legs closed, because I'm not raising any more children. Keep your head in those damn books and off those damn boys, because all they're going to do is use you and leave you used up. Now you better hear what I'm saying. I'm here for you, but you better listen.]

For some people it's called "keeping it real." Pastor Wright's words are not those of Barack Obama. Former United States Marine and Pastor, Wright was reciting US history, which IS hateful toward Black Americans. US history has in fact been hateful toward Black Americans and to do something as simple as recall American history toward Black Americans IS inflammatory at least.

___Kidnapping/Purchasing
___The Middle Passage
___Slavery
___Racism (came after slavery to justify the continuation of slavery out of Africa when whites were no longer slaved --a distinct and recognizable "skin color" became the target)
___Constitutional Definition of "less than human"
___Religious Isolation
___Jim Crow/Apartheid
___Grandfather Clause
___Educational Isolation
___Economic Isolation
___Paramour Rights (where Black women had to deal with white male sexual and companionship aggression)
___Constitutional Acknowledgement of the "inherently inequitable" Black American experience
___etc.

There is a reason "Black history" is segregated from the main stream history lessons of our grade school classrooms... it IS inflammatory just to acknowledge "Black history" in America, even though Black history is American history.

There are few ways to spin America's behavior toward Blacks so that it sounds good.

We haven't even done the Native American history roll call. There are aspects of America that should be damned.

"America's" over-sensitivity at taking a "critical" look at itself has been the trademark of bigotry... and this bigotry gets reproduced everywhere we go and in every country we touch. We have spread our bigotry like the “Green Bay Tree" and the world community has been taking offense to it.

Few people are American ENOUGH to damn those things about America that should be damned.

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Yeah, the bitterness is real, but We the People can get past it, heal our great nation, and grow from all of this.

Barack Obama’s Blueprint for Change:
http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/ObamaBlueprintForChange.pdf

Bluesage @ 349:

Of course there is a legitimate argument to be made here. This goes to Obama's judgement. It explains a lot about Michelle Obama's rhetoric. This man preaches hate and division and Obama did not have just a casual association with this vile creature. If you think Joe Sixpack and Betty Winebox won't be talking about this and spreading the word you're nuts. And he has to count on some of those Joe's & Betty's if he has a chance to win in Nov. And it isn't just faux news, I watched Obama on 360 and you could just see that his tepid rejection of these views wasn't even believeable to those there to support him.

AMEN..... WAKE UP SHEEPLE ....... IF YOU THINK THIS IS NOT A BIG PROBLEM FOR SEN. OBAMA YOU ARE MISTAKEN......There is now some bloggers that are already saying they have proof that he was at a least one or two of these sermons ........ the problem is that the far leaning left think there is nothing wrong with what his pastor said and even go as far as believing some of this rhetoric...... if this is what liberal means these days I'm ashamed to be one......

left and left @375.........well the Rev was powerful enough to lead Obama to a pew and have him stay seated for TWENTY years...The Rev was influencial enouth to lead Obama to jesus...and to teach him his version of the bible...where the Romans are actually Italians and therefore white men who enslaved the Jews. So lets see here...the Rev has Caesar saying "mama mia, thatsa spicey meatball" are you fucking kidding? This rev is a fool and full of hate and vitriol....and Obama has a judgement problem.

Hello MahoganyShotgun.389........you forgot deed restrictions...for centuries Jewish people , African American, and American Indians could be barred from buying homes or land in deed restricted areas. Your argument seems to me to be that blacks have suffered most and therefore get a pass on anything that want to say.....and in the area of free speeh I agree with you. But do not the Native American Indians have the top level of suffering in this country.........just in deaths and general loss alone. I live in Oklahoma where the TRAIL TEARS ENDED..........tragic story. And then there is the issue of the Jewish people...whose suffering is beyond the pale. Are you familiar with the Euripides play THE TROJAN WOMEN ?The play starts with Troy being conquered and vanquished......the women gather and began arguing as to who has suffered the most among them.....as the Greeks are down at the sea casting lots to see who gets what women as their slave..Queen Hecuba and Princess Andromache have the two top spots as to who has suffered most....then the soldiers come and tell the princess that her baby son will be thrown off a cliff...and the screaming begins...The play is a metaphor of the horrors of war and the uselessness of fighting over who the fuck suffered more. You might want to check it out. Now to Obama....he did not close the deal a few weeks back in the primary in Texas.....He needs every vote he can muster....that means independents and white folk.......it seems he has the black vote, but the rest of the country is not there yet. Now from stage left enters the REV Wright....and blows the Obama couple out of the water...right or wrong ..fair or unfair...the general public had no clue as to the church of choice for the Obamas....But from a P R point of view they were coming across quite nicely as that attractive episcopalian couple from Chicago. This event is huge and the polls are just beginning to show it.....it is so seismic that the Hillary campaign won't touch it or talk about it...they want no fingerprints on this sucker.....That one sermon the Sunday after 9/11 is so offensive. And the hate whitey shit and the sexual stuff ....maybe understandable in some black gatherings as funny......but white America is not amused. And on Friday last on many of the talk shows Obama said that the Rev was a Biblcal scholar.....horsepiss...that comment will bit him on the ass. Last point...Judgement is the platform upon which Obama and Axelrod have run on and against Hillary. that one speech and insight to the war: judgement. Well how the fuck did he and company not know how the REv was going to go over...the Rev guessed it last year. How can his judgement be so perfect if he sat in this church for twenty years and did not have a clue how hostile this shit was? and then there is Rezko...oops

another reason to vote for the she-devil. the vetted line has merit, we can't have candidates who hang around people who tell the truth about american sins. it's always better to cast stones at the weak and marginalized, as rev. fallhell and pat robbersman know.
these tapes probably came from clinton camp researchers and were past to our lazy press corps. but guess what? that's the sort of dirty politics dems better play if the want to take back the executive branch and the courts from our fascist foes.

This is not a smear, this is Racist Propaganda.

So, C&L being a left progressive site. how many progressives out there disagree with what this minister said?

I've always left it to C&L to watch Fox for me so I don't have to and now after watching this clip, I find myself living in Bizzarro World. I respect Chris Dodd a lot but I don't think he has a very good grasp of the people and the voters. Of course they are worried about the War, Gas Prices, Home Foreclosures, etc. etc. but at the same time they are going to be picking a prez that can turn some of this around and they do care about the judgement and the character of the candidates. To say this is meaningless to the voter is pretty naive. Shumer did what he needed to do and stayed above the fray. The fact that I agree with Wallace about anything is very disturbing to me but I do agree that it is a conversation worth having. No offense to Dodd but I don't want to find out too late that Obama or his wife believe what Rev. Wright has been preaching for 20 years in their church. Obama did not have just a casual association with Rev. Wright during those 20 yrs. Some people dismiss it as "snippets" that have been culled out of many hours but it is the snippets we see and will judge and I gotta say, some of it is pretty vile. Especially the ones concerning Bill & Lewinsky and the diatribe against Hillary - from the pulpit?? To not admit this is a problem for him is to put your head in the sand.

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For our history of racism and slavery against black people- God Damn America!
For the persistence of racism in our country- God Damn America!
For our history of genocide against the native American Indians- God Damn America!
For our history of overthrowing democratically elected government around the world and installing military dictatorships- God Damn America!
For our history of supporting far right genocidal regimes around the world- God Damn America!
For funding right wing terrorists such as the Contras, Luis Posada Carriles and Orlando Bosch who murdered many innocent civilians- God Damn America!

I could go on and on. We need to be honest about our past and the numerous atrocities that have been committed in our names if we are ever to put a stop to terrorism.

clara @ 55:

...switboating any mud that gets cable news traction..by Tuesday Fox will lead with the story that Sen.Obama fathered two balck children.

That was funny and shows JUST how ridiculous people's reactions are to the truth.

Left&Left @ 394:

douglas in oklahoma @ 393:

left and left @375.........well the Rev was powerful enough to lead Obama to a pew and have him stay seated for TWENTY years...The Rev was influencial enouth to lead Obama to jesus...and to teach him his version of the bible...where the Romans are actually Italians and therefore white men who enslaved the Jews. So lets see here...the Rev has Caesar saying "mama mia, thatsa spicey meatball" are you fucking kidding? This rev is a fool and full of hate and vitriol....and Obama has a judgement problem.

Please give me one example of behavior by Obama that would suggest that this Pastor has influenced him. Obama has a greater world than you and I because of his travelers and multiracial family upbringing. At this point, I have no reason not to believe Obama. Especially over FOX and various fake liberals who just hope there is something to this non story.

Ok let me try it this way...you believe in him..all well and good...I do not..if he makes it a the democrat running for president I wll vote for him..I am a democrat What I am talking about is his POLITICAL JUDGEMENT.....he did not get out in front of this story a year ago...how did he not know how bad it was going to look the the general public. He is not running to be the President of African Churches....he has to look good to the vast American public. This is first time for a black canidate and from a public relations point of view the Rev is a disaster. Politics can be just like showbusiness. Remember the South Carolina primary with the PERCEIVED RACIAL DUST-UP that the press and Obama's folks blamed on Bill Clinton..did not matter that it was not true..IT WORKED AND WORKED BIG TIME. Obama on March 14th on Keith O still did not get the problem. He has every right to choose the pastor and church of his desire....but he is running for President. Imagine that this was the church that Hillary and Bill joined 8 years ago in Harlem when he moved his office there.....super Abomb time. White America has no understanding of such churches and the anti-white words and the anti-American shit and the sexual shit and the vile statements that Sunday after 9/11. this is not going away.

Left&Left @ 392:

robyn williams @ 390:

Bluesage @ 349:

Of course there is a legitimate argument to be made here. This goes to Obama's judgement. It explains a lot about Michelle Obama's rhetoric. This man preaches hate and division and Obama did not have just a casual association with this vile creature. If you think Joe Sixpack and Betty Winebox won't be talking about this and spreading the word you're nuts. And he has to count on some of those Joe's & Betty's if he has a chance to win in Nov. And it isn't just faux news, I watched Obama on 360 and you could just see that his tepid rejection of these views wasn't even believeable to those there to support him.

AMEN..... WAKE UP SHEEPLE ....... IF YOU THINK THIS IS NOT A BIG PROBLEM FOR SEN. OBAMA YOU ARE MISTAKEN......There is now some bloggers that are already saying they have proof that he was at a least one or two of these sermons ........ the problem is that the far leaning left think there is nothing wrong with what his pastor said and even go as far as believing some of this rhetoric...... if this is what liberal means these days I'm ashamed to be one......

Don't be ashamed of being liberal, because you're not. True liberals do complete fact checks before repeating right wing talking points. 1) Obama's not responsible for another man's thoughts...period. 2) Much of what the man said was historically true( I have always been taught to judge a statement by it's ACCURACYand the actual MERITof the argument...is it true or false?). 3) Just like the Madrassa story, The Obama's a Muslim lie, Resko (Obama is NOT connected at all),NAFTA, this right wing propaganda will go away too. You are being pimped by right wing (including Republican Hillary) because you're lazy and have a anti-Obama agenda.

Where's the "anti-white" sentiment in Rev. Wright's words? Anyone who suggests that BO would buy into any anti-white sentiment conveniently forgets that his mother is ...white! He was raised by his mother's parents.

And, from all accounts, he loves all of his family!

There's NO anti-white, Black superiority, anti-semitic ANYTHING in those sermons. There is truth, delivered fire & brimstone style, but still nothing but the truth. Because white people are shocked by it is proof of just how little they know of Black & African Americans, how they live, what they go through and what they think.

There should be no apologies.

Now is as good a time as any for some much needed introspection by the "dominant culture". Everyday those not in the majority are told how their cultures do not measure up (in one way or another), that they must look inward for the solutions to their many problems, and they/we are judged by the least desirable among us.

For once and for all... for the love of all that is sacred and holy... white people need to look inward at the group and conduct an honest assessment--examine its collective actions and the affects it has on other people. If that is done, then fewer will be so righteously indignant about the truth that Rev. Wright spoke.

robyn williams @ 398:

[Deleted. Don't post in ALL CAPS. BTW, none of your recent posts have been deleted for anything other than ALL CAPS posting-Sitemonitor]

That's interesting because my delete quote was reused by another blogger look at 392 to call me a liar....

Why aren't the words of the Rev. Parsley discussed on networks as well. When John McCain accepted Parlsey's endorsement, he stated Parsley was his mentor. Parsley is of the opinion that it is America's role to destroy Islam.

Following is a quote from David Corn's article appearing in MOTHER JONES entitled - McCain's Spiritual Guide: Destroy Islam -- Televangelist Rod Parsley, a key McCain ally in Ohio, has called for eradicating the "false religion." Will the GOP presidential candidate renounce him?"

"I cannot tell you how important it is that we understand the true nature of Islam, that we see it for what it really is. In fact, I will tell you this: I do not believe our country can truly fulfill its divine purpose until we understand our historical conflict with Islam. I know that this statement sounds extreme, but I do not shrink from its implications. The fact is that America was founded, in part, with the intention of seeing this false religion destroyed, and I believe September 11, 2001, was a generational call to arms that we can no longer ignore. .......Parsley is not shy about his desire to obliterate Islam "In Silent No More, he notes—approvingly—that Christopher Columbus shared the same goal: "It was to defeat Islam, among other dreams, that Christopher Columbus sailed to the New World in 1492…Columbus dreamed of defeating the armies of Islam with the armies of Europe made mighty by the wealth of the New World. It was this dream that, in part, began America." He urges his readers to realize that a confrontation between Christianity and Islam is unavoidable: "We find now we have no choice. The time has come." And he has bad news: "We may already be losing the battle. As I scan the world, I find that Islam is responsible for more pain, more bloodshed, and more devastation than nearly any other force on earth at this moment."

The fact that Columbus was looking for a route to China has not even be addressed.

Logan, you wont read this - your job is to feed the readers and get site hits - but ...

You need to connect the dots. Connect the 'actors' from the other day's parade of indignance to chris wallace to the sudden appearance of 'new' commentors here and elsewhere and see how they are connected. Follow this up the food chain and expose whoever is feeding them.

That is the story.

Derek @ 15:

Betty you wouldn't be voting for him anyway. The South has been written off electoral college wise..

Hey! Don't write ME off! I live in Virginia and I certainly WILL vote for Obama if he gets the nomination. (I already voted for him in the primary, so there.)

IMHO this Rev. Wright is, or became in his later years, the sort of person who not only calls a spade a fr!ggin' shovel, but picks up the shovel and smacks the clueless upside the head with it to get their attention. Uncouth, but not untruthful. (Apparently even he has recognized that he's fallen out of step with the times, or he wouldn't be retired.)

Smacking people with the clue shovel doesn't seem to have ever been Barack Obama's style, so I don't think we need fear any such offenses against propriety from him.

diamondmc @ 25:

Betty @ 12:

How is this not an issue in this campaign. He and his wife spent 20 years being basted in the resentful, hateful, contemptuous racist worldview of the Rev. Wright?

It is an issue for me.

Why would this be a issue about Obama? Have you ever been to a church? Did you agree, or even listen to the sermons that your minister was giving? I haven't heard Obama say anyrhing like this minister, so why would you hold that against Obama? Should all catholics be held to what the pope says? Do you judge people by what others say? This is all bullshit.

Shared Humanity @ 45:

diamondmc @ 25:

Betty @ 12:

How is this not an issue in this campaign. He and his wife spent 20 years being basted in the resentful, hateful, contemptuous racist worldview of the Rev. Wright?

It is an issue for me.

Why would this be a issue about Obama? Have you ever been to a church? Did you agree, or even listen to the sermons that your minister was giving? I haven't heard Obama say anyrhing like this minister, so why would you hold that against Obama? Should all catholics be held to what the pope says? Do you judge people by what others say? This is all bullshit.

Your response is spot on. Here is a column that appeared in the Chicago Tribune that makes a strong argument in support.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/editorials/chi-0314edit1mar14,0,7172438.story

Gee, if only people would have used the same standard against Ferraro, the Hillary supporter who brought up Obama's drug-use, etc. But no...you hypocrites piled on high.

And sorry, but ANY fool who tries to tell me that for 20 years Wright's friendship with Farrakhan was just "something you disagree with" is reprehensible. That excuse/justification is paper-thin, and wouldn't hold water with the very same people repeating that line, if the person involved was a republican, or Hillary, or anyone else they don't want.

You're sounding more and more like bush supporters than ever before; justifying a lack in judgement for 20 years, and not thinking it would come back to haunt him.

Since WHEN in politics have your close associates not been evaluated?

DIAMONDMC, ever heard of "judging you by the company you keep"

Is Rev. Wright is telling the truth? Or is Barack Obama is selling political snake oil?

Sheesh when the going gets weird the weird get going?

Arrrrgh

As I made mention yesterday, I find it rather funny how the Senator Obama supporters are rallying around their candidate, saying that he shouldn't have gotten rid of Reverend Wright from his campaign for "speaking the truth", yet these are the same people who wanted to burn former Congresswoman Ferraro (and by extension that "evil bitch", Senator Clinton) for the truth she spoke.

I guess cries of "racism" trumps all, eh?

Look, I have said it before and I will say it again, the following are the reasons that I do not support Senator Obama for the Democratic nomination.

1. I do not think that he will push as hard for equal rights for gays as Senator Clinton would.

2. I think that Senator Obama is a closet theocrat.

3. I think that Senator Obama would continue the attacks on the adult entertainment industry (porn) that the current Bush Administration has.

These are the issues closest to me and that is why I support Senator Clinton, because I do believe she will fight harder for equal rights for gays, I am pretty damn sure she isn't a closet theocrat and I don't think she will continue these attacks on the adult entertainment industry.

Phoenix Justice @ 56:

As I made mention yesterday, I find it rather funny how the Senator Obama supporters are rallying around their candidate, saying that he shouldn't have gotten rid of Reverend Wright from his campaign for "speaking the truth", yet these are the same people who wanted to burn former Congresswoman Ferraro (and by extension that "evil bitch", Senator Clinton) for the truth she spoke.

I guess cries of "racism" trumps all, eh?

Look, I have said it before and I will say it again, the following are the reasons that I do not support Senator Obama for the Democratic nomination.

1. I do not think that he will push as hard for equal rights for gays as Senator Clinton would.

2. I think that Senator Obama is a closet theocrat.

3. I think that Senator Obama would continue the attacks on the adult entertainment industry (porn) that the current Bush Administration has.

These are the issues closest to me and that is why I support Senator Clinton, because I do believe she will fight harder for equal rights for gays, I am pretty damn sure she isn't a closet theocrat and I don't think she will continue these attacks on the adult entertainment industry.

Sorry, just a comment but - damn this looks like a freeper post.

Destardi @ 52:

diamondmc @ 25:

Betty @ 12:

How is this not an issue in this campaign. He and his wife spent 20 years being basted in the resentful, hateful, contemptuous racist worldview of the Rev. Wright?

It is an issue for me.

Why would this be a issue about Obama? Have you ever been to a church? Did you agree, or even listen to the sermons that your minister was giving? I haven't heard Obama say anyrhing like this minister, so why would you hold that against Obama? Should all catholics be held to what the pope says? Do you judge people by what others say? This is all bullshit.

Shared Humanity @ 45:

diamondmc @ 25:

Betty @ 12:
Why would this be a issue about Obama? Have you ever been to a church? Did you agree, or even listen to the sermons that your minister was giving? I haven't heard Obama say anyrhing like this minister, so why would you hold that against Obama? Should all catholics be held to what the pope says? Do you judge people by what others say? This is all bullshit.

Your response is spot on. Here is a column that appeared in the Chicago Tribune that makes a strong argument in support.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/editorials/chi-0314edit1mar14,0,7172438.story

Gee, if only people would have used the same standard against Ferraro, the Hillary supporter who brought up Obama's drug-use, etc. But no...you hypocrites piled on high.

And sorry, but ANY fool who tries to tell me that for 20 years Wright's friendship with Farrakhan was just "something you disagree with" is reprehensible. That excuse/justification is paper-thin, and wouldn't hold water with the very same people repeating that line, if the person involved was a republican, or Hillary, or anyone else they don't want.

You're sounding more and more like bush supporters than ever before; justifying a lack in judgement for 20 years, and not thinking it would come back to haunt him.

Since WHEN in politics have your close associates not been evaluated?

DIAMONDMC, ever heard of "judging you by the company you keep"

No, hypocracy is getting pissy at Barack even though he denounced the actions and words he disagrees with and then trying to make excuses for Clinton when she doesn't even make a statement.

Convenient memory is something I once though was limited to the NeoCons. More often I see it has wormed its way here.

Snowball @ 46:

For our history of racism and slavery against black people- God Damn America!
For the persistence of racism in our country- God Damn America!
For our history of genocide against the native American Indians- God Damn America!
For our history of overthrowing democratically elected government around the world and installing military dictatorships- God Damn America!
For our history of supporting far right genocidal regimes around the world- God Damn America!
For funding right wing terrorists such as the Contras, Luis Posada Carriles and Orlando Bosch who murdered many innocent civilians- God Damn America!

I could go on and on. We need to be honest about our past and the numerous atrocities that have been committed in our names if we are ever to put a stop to terrorism.

"Whites are potential humans who have not fully involved yet"
"Judaism is a gutter religion"
Farrakhan

A man Wright gave an award to and acknowledged as "epitomizing greatness"

I'm sure we can all tell what group Farrakhan would establish as holding to a higher degree of preference.

I thought the Democratic party I'm register with is above singling out any one group as being better than another?

I thought that Wright's close association with Farrakhan, and in turn, influencing Obama, even coming up with the name of one his books, and feeding in Michelle Obama's "racial divide" black identity politics is elevating a group of people above a supposedly all-inclusive party.

Judged by the company you keep...Politics 101, Obama, 0, political campaigning for the opposition, 1.

Twenty years of association will not be dismissed with a comparison of Hagee, or anyone else.

Saying "well mccain did it too, nah nah nah!" is a laughable defense, especially when McCain hasn't been associated with Hagee for 20 years, and donated 22,000 to his church last year.

ARGHHHH y'all are killing me with this Republican-zombie type of rationalizing. We should demand MORE from our own candidates.

L.A. Confidential @ 59:

This is the untold story of Bush Cabal Fraud and how the Clinton Regime delayed the collapse of the United States economy.

Take it, leave it, Believe it, or burn it.

http://tinyurl.com/24348q

Oh sorry I forgrot the teaser.

Clinton thought he was inheriting a $360 billion federal budget deficit when it was in fact twice as much. He thought he was inheriting a nation with a $5.6 trillion debt and it turns out to be a $14 trillion debt.

Destardi @ 52:

diamondmc @ 25:

Betty @ 12:

How is this not an issue in this campaign. He and his wife spent 20 years being basted in the resentful, hateful, contemptuous racist worldview of the Rev. Wright?

It is an issue for me.

Why would this be a issue about Obama? Have you ever been to a church? Did you agree, or even listen to the sermons that your minister was giving? I haven't heard Obama say anyrhing like this minister, so why would you hold that against Obama? Should all catholics be held to what the pope says? Do you judge people by what others say? This is all bullshit.

Shared Humanity @ 45:

diamondmc @ 25:

Betty @ 12:
Why would this be a issue about Obama? Have you ever been to a church? Did you agree, or even listen to the sermons that your minister was giving? I haven't heard Obama say anyrhing like this minister, so why would you hold that against Obama? Should all catholics be held to what the pope says? Do you judge people by what others say? This is all bullshit.

Your response is spot on. Here is a column that appeared in the Chicago Tribune that makes a strong argument in support.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/editorials/chi-0314edit1mar14,0,7172438.story

Gee, if only people would have used the same standard against Ferraro, the Hillary supporter who brought up Obama's drug-use, etc. But no...you hypocrites piled on high.

And sorry, but ANY fool who tries to tell me that for 20 years Wright's friendship with Farrakhan was just "something you disagree with" is reprehensible. That excuse/justification is paper-thin, and wouldn't hold water with the very same people repeating that line, if the person involved was a republican, or Hillary, or anyone else they don't want.

You're sounding more and more like bush supporters than ever before; justifying a lack in judgement for 20 years, and not thinking it would come back to haunt him.

Since WHEN in politics have your close associates not been evaluated?

DIAMONDMC, ever heard of "judging you by the company you keep"

Ya I have, and am I or you to be held to everything they have said or done? As far as I can tell, this minister hasn't broken any laws or killed anyone. I have lots of friends who believe in the god in the sky thing, but I don't hold that against them. Do you?

Destardi @ 62:

Snowball @ 46:

For our history of racism and slavery against black people- God Damn America!
For the persistence of racism in our country- God Damn America!
For our history of genocide against the native American Indians- God Damn America!
For our history of overthrowing democratically elected government around the world and installing military dictatorships- God Damn America!
For our history of supporting far right genocidal regimes around the world- God Damn America!
For funding right wing terrorists such as the Contras, Luis Posada Carriles and Orlando Bosch who murdered many innocent civilians- God Damn America!

I could go on and on. We need to be honest about our past and the numerous atrocities that have been committed in our names if we are ever to put a stop to terrorism.

"Whites are potential humans who have not fully involved yet"
"Judaism is a gutter religion"
Farrakhan

A man Wright gave an award to and acknowledged as "epitomizing greatness"

I'm sure we can all tell what group Farrakhan would establish as holding to a higher degree of preference.

I thought the Democratic party I'm register with is above singling out any one group as being better than another?

I thought that Wright's close association with Farrakhan, and in turn, influencing Obama, even coming up with the name of one his books, and feeding in Michelle Obama's "racial divide" black identity politics is elevating a group of people above a supposedly all-inclusive party.

Judged by the company you keep...Politics 101, Obama, 0, political campaigning for the opposition, 1.

Twenty years of association will not be dismissed with a comparison of Hagee, or anyone else.

Saying "well mccain did it too, nah nah nah!" is a laughable defense, especially when McCain hasn't been associated with Hagee for 20 years, and donated 22,000 to his church last year.

ARGHHHH y'all are killing me with this Republican-zombie type of rationalizing. We should demand MORE from our own candidates.

Ever hear of psychological projection? I suggest you pick up a psychology book and take a look in the mirror.

L.A. Confidential @ 64:

Clinton thought he was inheriting a $360 billion federal budget deficit when it was in fact twice as much. He thought he was inheriting a nation with a $5.6 trillion debt and it turns out to be a $14 trillion debt.

Alright then. I'm top old fashioned and I need to modernize to contemporary standards.

Secret Paris Hilton Confession! Envious of Hillarys Boob Size!

Okay now I'm a eyeball grabber.

krisken @ 60:

Destardi @ 52:

diamondmc @ 25:

Betty @ 12:
Why would this be a issue about Obama? Have you ever been to a church? Did you agree, or even listen to the sermons that your minister was giving? I haven't heard Obama say anyrhing like this minister, so why would you hold that against Obama? Should all catholics be held to what the pope says? Do you judge people by what others say? This is all bullshit.

Shared Humanity @ 45:

diamondmc @ 25:

Your response is spot on. Here is a column that appeared in the Chicago Tribune that makes a strong argument in support.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/editorials/chi-0314edit1mar14,0,7172438.story

Gee, if only people would have used the same standard against Ferraro, the Hillary supporter who brought up Obama's drug-use, etc. But no...you hypocrites piled on high.

And sorry, but ANY fool who tries to tell me that for 20 years Wright's friendship with Farrakhan was just "something you disagree with" is reprehensible. That excuse/justification is paper-thin, and wouldn't hold water with the very same people repeating that line, if the person involved was a republican, or Hillary, or anyone else they don't want.

You're sounding more and more like bush supporters than ever before; justifying a lack in judgement for 20 years, and not thinking it would come back to haunt him.

Since WHEN in politics have your close associates not been evaluated?

DIAMONDMC, ever heard of "judging you by the company you keep"

No, hypocracy is getting pissy at Barack even though he denounced the actions and words he disagrees with and then trying to make excuses for Clinton when she doesn't even make a statement.

Convenient memory is something I once though was limited to the NeoCons. More often I see it has wormed its way here.

So you'd easily accept a "denouncement" from Obama regarding a 20 year relationship/friendship, and refuse a delayed "denouncement" from Hillary regarding comments from a supporter, that hasn't made a living, and indeed broadcast video/sold video on her website recording those divisive words?

Did she denounce Ferraro's comments? I must have missed it. Do you have a link?

L.A. Confidential @ 70:

L.A. Confidential @ 64:

Clinton thought he was inheriting a $360 billion federal budget deficit when it was in fact twice as much. He thought he was inheriting a nation with a $5.6 trillion debt and it turns out to be a $14 trillion debt.

Alright then. I'm top old fashioned and I need to modernize to contemporary standards.

Secret Paris Hilton Confession! Envious of Hillarys Boob Size!

Okay now I'm a eyeball grabber.

Awww, poor guy, forced to play with yourself? :)

Shared Humanity @ 63:

It is with a certain amount of comfort that I am confirmed in my belief that this thread would quickly fill with racist and xenophobic rantings. I read each with a mixture of fascination and dread.

I am a 52 year old father of four young adult children, a white catholic with a Jewish wife of 28 years. I live in a integrated community (Oak Park, Illinois) that works hard to overcome the difficulties that tolerance requires of its residents. I have always worked in factories whose diversity mirrors the communities where they reside.

My youngest son, soon 18 years old, is adopted and biracial. I claim no particular insight into the methods we need to employ to overcome the racial divide that still plagues this country. I suspect that the only way to do this is on a very peronal level, by building relationships with those around us regardless of race, creed or color.

I am always attracted to opinions that are able to break through the kind of rants that so often populate these threads. Here is such an opinion.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/editorials/chi-0314edit1mar14,0,7172438.story

Good post, thank you!

I am 58 year old anti theist.

I generally don't talk white or black but in this country you spend much extra time to achieve understanding without those words and risk sounding silly in the process.

This was my post in another spot but it would be better here:

Privilege is invisible to those that have it. White men still have the most privilege and still understand the least about it.

Look in the mirror and think what the PERSON is you see.

If you just see a ‘person’ then you are probably a white guy. You think you are ok and the world is fine.

If you just see a ‘woman’ then you are probably a white woman. You are a woman first and a person second. You will not have as much opportunity as a 'real person', there has been progress but it is incomplete.

If you see a ‘black man’ or a ‘black woman’, it will do you little good to try to forget the ‘blackness’, because you will be reminded day in and day out.

You can even be a successful (to some point) candidate for President and still be reminded. You are a black first and a person second, a distant second.

This country has still, a long way to go.

♣Bangkok Bob♣ @ 28:

Betty @ 12:

How is this not an issue in this campaign. He and his wife spent 20 years being basted in the resentful, hateful, contemptuous racist worldview of the Rev. Wright?

It is an issue for me.

Gee Betty, that Bigotry your wearing looks just ... well ... it just looks so YOU.

What bigotry? That she doesn't think Obama walks on water?

Dude @ 38:

This is not a smear, this is Racist Propaganda.

Really? How so?

Just imagine the outrage if Sen. Clinton's spiritual adviser said the word n*gger in her church.

krisken @ 74:

Did she denounce Ferraro's comments? I must have missed it. Do you have a link?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080311/ap_on_el_pr/clinton_ferraro

I don't know...I think "disagreeing" and removing someone from your campaign pretty much sums it up.

Then again, it's easier to remove someone who has been part of a year-long campaign, than it is to remove someone from your 20 year association with them, especially after they baptized your kids, and named the title of your book.

"denouncement" "disagree"...are you a lawyer or something?

What a joke.

Swashbuckler @ 80:

♣Bangkok Bob♣ @ 28:

Betty @ 12:

How is this not an issue in this campaign. He and his wife spent 20 years being basted in the resentful, hateful, contemptuous racist worldview of the Rev. Wright?

Oh, look...yet ANOTHER example of "republican-zombie" thinking from a fellow progressive.

You're ONLY a progressive, IF YOU AGREE WITH ME.

Wow..the other side of the "authoritarians" coin.

It is an issue for me.

Gee Betty, that Bigotry your wearing looks just ... well ... it just looks so YOU.

What bigotry? That she doesn't think Obama walks on water?

Destardi @ 79:

This isn't psychology, this is Politics.

Convenient how you didn't address my points, and keyed in on a personal attack.

So, um, is that republican-thinking, or liberal free-speech debating?

I'm not so sure that there is much difference between psychology and politics. If you want to campaign like a Republican, I am left with the perception that you share their psychological mapping.

Refer to my post
Snowball@75

Snowball @ 14:

Betty @ 12:

How is this not an issue in this campaign. He and his wife spent 20 years being basted in the resentful, hateful, contemptuous racist worldview of the Rev. Wright?

It is an issue for me.

You wouldn't vote for a Democrat anyway troll, so your issues are irrelevant.

Don't dare kick me to the curb! I am an old Irish catholic lady living in MN and I have been a Democrat all my life.

Minutes after this clip Chris "I can't even carry my dads jockstrap" Wallace did 30 straight minutes of McCains problems with preachers, right? An asshole on a channel of assholes.

No. 44 @ 86:

If Barack doesn't reject the Reverend and behave like the duplicitous rich white people now in power, he is labeled unpatriotic and deemed unfit to be President.

And he went along with hardly a peep of dissent.

Nice to see that Fox News is dictating the qualities a candidate must possess to be elected. Nice to see that everyone is bending over backwards to prove that Barack has nothing in common with upset and outspoken Black people who recognize that Blacks have been shafted by this country in so many ways and have something to say about it.

Destardi @ 85:

krisken @ 74:

Did she denounce Ferraro's comments? I must have missed it. Do you have a link?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080311/ap_on_el_pr/clinton_ferraro

I don't know...I think "disagreeing" and removing someone from your campaign pretty much sums it up.

Then again, it's easier to remove someone who has been part of a year-long campaign, than it is to remove someone from your 20 year association with them, especially after they baptized your kids, and named the title of your book.

"denouncement" "disagree"...are you a lawyer or something?

What a joke.

Well, it's nice that she finally said she didn't agree with Fararro's comments.

You really need to stop jumping to conclusions. I hadn't heard this bit. While I certainly take back my earlier statement, they are both in the same boat then. Both have a moronic following, as well as people who believe in their message and support them.

As a clarification, I do know that Geraldine wasn't dismissed, she left of her own accord, as she said (paraphrase) so she could continue to speak her mind.

No.44- What the hell are you babbling about? He did reject the Reverends comments.

Snowball @ 13:

I think the real rub in all of this is that nothing Rev. Jeremiah Wright said is inaccurate. While he stated it indelicately, it's a fact that 9/11 was blowback from decades of misguided US foreign policy in the middle-east. It goes back at least as far as US involvement in the over through of Mosadec in Iran and the Reagan regime's training and funding of Osama bin Laden to oust the Soviets from Afghanistan. What's dangerous and sad is that whenever someone points out this fact they are subject immediately to be excoriated in the Corporate Media and pushed out of public life and anyone who is even remotely associated with them is subject to the same fate. It has a chilling effect on our public debate and our ability to analyze, understand and deal with the problem of combating and counteracting terrorism.

I have far less problem with Wright's comments than those of Hagee, Robertson, Hinn, etc. I think the latter are far more dangerous than Obama's preacher.

BTW, I'm a middle-aged white guy. I hardly feel threatened by any of Wright's comments.

yeah is seems to be the topic for all the baby boomer rightys and their stupid children.
i've seen it on the boards.
their FAKE outrage and FAKE fear is funny as hell.

it really makes me view these people as less than people.
it's like a reflection or something.
the blindness of these people is amazing.

Somebody please change Chris Wallace's diaper. That is the underlying source of his whiny rant. Either that, or he accidentally sat on Bill Kristol's butt plug.