Who was it that said "The war may last six weeks, I don't think it will last six months?

More Racial-Gender Wars: Helen Keller Takes Shot at Blind New York Governor

Ooh, a blog against theocracy! Cool!

The UK got rid of its blasphemy laws recently. Perhaps the attitude will spread.

lafin gas @ 6:

Karen @ 4:

lafin gas @ 1:

Who was it that said "The war may last six weeks, I don't think it will last six months?

Donald Rumsfeld

Thanks, they all look the same to me, (war mongrels that is)!

Cheney was the guy who said, " what the hell do you mean you are going to tell the truth if you are served a subpeona from Congress"

He then pulled the trigger of his shotgun and blew his business partners face off.

St. Patrick's Day was Saturday, March 15, 2008.

Sitemonitor Cleanup on aisle 9.

Although not listed on the blogroll I can think of no better place to make a stand than right here. Now what we'll need is some suitable threads. I like Armani and Amato.

Iraqis don't consider us helpful. At least one wealthy gent lost a billion
on the Stearns bail-out.

1 hour, 11 minutes ago

NEW YORK - Gov. David Paterson, who took over the state's top job Monday after Eliot Spitzer resigned amid a prostitution scandal, has admitted he and his wife Michelle had affairs during a rough patch in their marriage several years ago, a newspaper reported.

Whoa! The trolls have been out today. I just wish they had something legitimate they could back up with fact to say.

Some people can't handle the truth!

lafin gas @ 20:

Some people can't handle the truth!

How would you know that. If the administration and the media would tell us the truth, maybe we could learn to handle it. Fat chance, but maybe.

lafin gas @ 20:

Some people can't handle the truth!

Its painful . . . people don't like pain . . . we don't like what we see so we fudge the facts . . . its called denial. I felt like I had been struck by lightening when I discovered the depths of their (neocons) deception. But it feels better knowing . . . like when your a kid and you're afraid of what's in the closet so your Mom/Dad hold your hand and take you over to the closet so that you can see what's really in there. After you see, you feel better. We spend so much of our energy trying to defend the indefensible. You know . . . the truth shall set you free . . . said that on a building at the University of Texas . . . I read it and took it to heart.

It is to the everlasting shame of the New York Times that not one single word was mentioned at all regarding the testimony of the Winter Soldiers in Silver springs, Md. This coming from the paper of record whose motto is "All the News That's fit to Print." All the more reason to be grateful for such independent media such as Free Speech TV and Democracy Now! which did broadcast the testimony of these soldiers these past four days.

Ron @ 28:

lafin gas @ 23:

Peter G @ 21:

Ron @ 19:
Got me two today. Anybody know what the daily and seasonal bag limits are?

There are no limits but you got a long way to go to beat the record!

You almost have to become a professional exterminator.

I just can't type fast enough to be a contender for any sort of record but I like to take a nice trophy once in a while.

Ron @ 28:

lafin gas @ 23:

Peter G @ 21:

Ron @ 19:
Got me two today. Anybody know what the daily and seasonal bag limits are?

There are no limits but you got a long way to go to beat the record!

You almost have to become a professional exterminator.

But you seam to have a problem recognizing trolls from truth seekers!

Erroll @ 27:

It is to the everlasting shame of the New York Times that not one single word was mentioned at all regarding the testimony of the Winter Soldiers in Silver springs, Md. This coming from the paper of record whose motto is "All the News That's fit to Print." All the more reason to be grateful for such independent media such as Free Speech TV and Democracy Now! which did broadcast the testimony of these soldiers these past four days.

I cried when I heard the Dad talk about how the VA wouldn't treat his son. His son came to him on the porch and asked him to hold him like a little boy on the rocking chair. He did. The Dad then said that the next time he held his son was when they lowered him from the garden hose he used to hang himself in the garage.

http://www.warcomeshome.org/

Ron @ 34:

Troll, truthseeker? Oxymoron,

True enough. Trolls always claim they're working with the "truth."

Maybe the open thread can get one to bitch about random stuff. It does seem to be the day for it.

Roark77 Hussein @ 35:

Ron @ 34:

Troll, truthseeker? Oxymoron,

True enough. Trolls always claim they're working with the "truth."

Maybe the open thread can get one to bitch about random stuff. It does seem to be the day for it.

I love it when they make a comment, then contradict themselves in another comment.

Ron @ 34:

lafin gas @ 31:

Ron @ 28:

lafin gas @ 23:
You almost have to become a professional exterminator.

But you seam to have a problem recognizing trolls from truth seekers!

Troll, truthseeker? Oxymoron,

I always thought that an oxymoron was a person of limited intelligence with clear skin.

Erroll @ 27:

It is to the everlasting shame of the New York Times that not one single word was mentioned at all regarding the testimony of the Winter Soldiers in Silver springs, Md. This coming from the paper of record whose motto is "All the News That's fit to Print." All the more reason to be grateful for such independent media such as Free Speech TV and Democracy Now! which did broadcast the testimony of these soldiers these past four days.

Indeed. And frankly, it's an insane motto to begin with. As Christopher Hitchens said, "Every day, the New York Times carries a motto in a box on its front page. "All the News That's Fit to Print," it says. It's been saying it for decades, day in and day out. I imagine most readers of the canonical sheet have long ceased to notice this bannered and flaunted symbol of its mental furniture. I myself check every day to make sure that the bright, smug, pompous, idiotic claim is still there."

Avid Reader @ 36:

Avid Reader @ 14:

Peter G @ 12:

Sitemonitor Cleanup on aisle 9.

Does the truth frighten you? It did me. But I'm not afraid anymore.

[Actually, that comment should have never appeared. It should have gone straight to moderation-Sitemonitor]

Ron @ 34:

lafin gas @ 31:

Ron @ 28:
But you seam to have a problem recognizing trolls from truth seekers!

Troll, truthseeker? Oxymoron,

Your site, your call

[And now the URL you added is throwing all of your comments into moderation-Sitemonitor]

there was nothing wrong with my url . . . every word on that page is true . . . it is your call what you want to allow on your site . . . I link to that page often . . . interviews with Randy Rhodes, Thom Hartman, KPFA public radio . . . its just people talking . . . you are injuring your brand with this form of censorship . . my opinion . . . your site . . . thanks.

Avid Reader @ 40:

great minds working this site tonight!

;>)

I know, think I'll go finish my thesis on quantum Physics and neutrinos.GNA

How long will the Fox Right wing Propaganda channel be able to retain their FCC license , after ANOTHER blatant , VILE CAMPAIGN against Barrack Obama . Ron Paul was my first choice , but we can't allow a supposed news network , to launch a coordinated effort to make him look guilty by association . O'Reilly had an hour straight , Hannity hour straight , the gorgeous Greta, not including all through the day , a non stop smear campaign , to derail another liberal candidate, with Swift Boat Tactics, they even brag about .

If Clarence Thomas was Obama , he would rightly declare a high-tech LYNCHING , because that is exactly what Murdoch has his little trolls doing , by not just treating this as a news story , but creating hysteria to make obama look guilty for another mans words .

This fraudulent network needs to have their FCC license pulled , for their partisan and viscous attack on an American candidate . While coddling John Mcsame and promoting HIS candidacy , in a shameless , unprofessional manner . Avoiding the even WORST connection between McSame and Haggee .

Call the FCC .And COMPLAIN .

Kahoneez @ 47:

How long will the Fox Right wing Propaganda channel be able to retain their FCC license , after ANOTHER blatant , VILE CAMPAIGN against Barrack Obama . Ron Paul was my first choice , but we can't allow a supposed news network , to launch a coordinated effort to make him look guilty by association . O'Reilly had an hour straight , Hannity hour straight , the gorgeous Greta, not including all through the day , a non stop smear campaign , to derail another liberal candidate, with Swift Boat Tactics, they even brag about .

If Clarence Thomas was Obama , he would rightly declare a high-tech LYNCHING , because that is exactly what Murdoch has his little trolls doing , by not just treating this as a news story , but creating hysteria to make obama look guilty for another mans words .

This fraudulent network needs to have their FCC license pulled , for their partisan and viscous attack on an American candidate . While coddling John Mcsame and promoting HIS candidacy , in a shameless , unprofessional manner . Avoiding the even WORST connection between McSame and Haggee .

Call the FCC .And COMPLAIN .

Not to disagree with your sentiments, but why do we even have an FCC to begin with? Let's get rid of that entity altogether.

Karen @ 49:

Kahoneez @ 47:

How long will the Fox Right wing Propaganda channel be able to retain their FCC license , after ANOTHER blatant , VILE CAMPAIGN against Barrack Obama . Ron Paul was my first choice , but we can't allow a supposed news network , to launch a coordinated effort to make him look guilty by association . O'Reilly had an hour straight , Hannity hour straight , the gorgeous Greta, not including all through the day , a non stop smear campaign , to derail another liberal candidate, with Swift Boat Tactics, they even brag about .

If Clarence Thomas was Obama , he would rightly declare a high-tech LYNCHING , because that is exactly what Murdoch has his little trolls doing , by not just treating this as a news story , but creating hysteria to make obama look guilty for another mans words .

This fraudulent network needs to have their FCC license pulled , for their partisan and viscous attack on an American candidate . While coddling John Mcsame and promoting HIS candidacy , in a shameless , unprofessional manner . Avoiding the even WORST connection between McSame and Haggee .

Call the FCC .And COMPLAIN .

Not to disagree with your sentiments, but why do we even have an FCC to begin with? Let's get rid of that entity altogether.

What do you mean? Who will prosecute Janet Jackson's warddrobe malfunction? We gotta protect the kids.. right? It takes a whole village.. remember :)

http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/

Natch

by dday

Joseph Nacchio was the CEO of Qwest Communications, and seven months before 9-11 (let me repeat, BEFORE 9-11), he and his company were asked to assist the US government in providing access to their communications networks without a warrant. Of all the telecoms, Nacchio and Qwest were the only ones to refuse. The government consequently pulled a bunch of their top-secret contracts and generally made it impossible for Qwest to do business. The stock dropped precipitously, and later federal prosecutors arrested Nacchio for insider trading, for having sold a significant amount of his holdings before the stock tanked. He claimed that he was actually trying to raise capital to exercise options and buy more stock, as he expected the government contracts to be renewed. This all went to trial and Nacchio was convicted last year.

But today, the 10th Circuit Court of Appeals reversed the conviction, and ordered a new trial with a new judge, as the old one excluded evidence from an expert witness that would have validated Nacchio's claims. In a new trial, even more information about the Bush Administration's efforts to immediately conduct massive spying on American citizens upon the moment they entered office will come to light. The goal was total information awareness, an enormous drift net of data that could be used to any of a thousand pernicious ends. Among the evidence that could be provided are those secret contracts and communications on why they were cancelled, and when.

This is why you don't give blanket amnesty to lawsuits where the truth about illegal spying and surveillance could emerge.

http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2008/03/natch-by-dday-joseph-nacchio-was-...

Ron @ 52:

Karen @ 49:

Kahoneez @ 47:

How long will the Fox Right wing Propaganda channel be able to retain their FCC license , after ANOTHER blatant , VILE CAMPAIGN against Barrack Obama . Ron Paul was my first choice , but we can't allow a supposed news network , to launch a coordinated effort to make him look guilty by association . O'Reilly had an hour straight , Hannity hour straight , the gorgeous Greta, not including all through the day , a non stop smear campaign , to derail another liberal candidate, with Swift Boat Tactics, they even brag about .

If Clarence Thomas was Obama , he would rightly declare a high-tech LYNCHING , because that is exactly what Murdoch has his little trolls doing , by not just treating this as a news story , but creating hysteria to make obama look guilty for another mans words .

This fraudulent network needs to have their FCC license pulled , for their partisan and viscous attack on an American candidate . While coddling John Mcsame and promoting HIS candidacy , in a shameless , unprofessional manner . Avoiding the even WORST connection between McSame and Haggee .

Call the FCC .And COMPLAIN .

Not to disagree with your sentiments, but why do we even have an FCC to begin with? Let's get rid of that entity altogether.

For all the bad it has done I almost agree but, we need a FCC with some teeth and real regulation. Don't fall into the neocon trap of less regulation. We need more regulation.

Regulation of the economy does not per se bother me. Regulation of speech, on the other hand, most certainly does.

Unfortunately if the FCC got some regulatory dentures back I'm fairly confident the first person they'd hang out to dry would be Keith O. and not anyone from Fox.

eric @ 53:

http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/

Natch

by dday

Joseph Nacchio was the CEO of Qwest Communications, and seven months before 9-11 (let me repeat, BEFORE 9-11), he and his company were asked to assist the US government in providing access to their communications networks without a warrant. Of all the telecoms, Nacchio and Qwest were the only ones to refuse. The government consequently pulled a bunch of their top-secret contracts and generally made it impossible for Qwest to do business. The stock dropped precipitously, and later federal prosecutors arrested Nacchio for insider trading, for having sold a significant amount of his holdings before the stock tanked. He claimed that he was actually trying to raise capital to exercise options and buy more stock, as he expected the government contracts to be renewed. This all went to trial and Nacchio was convicted last year.

But today, the 10th Circuit Court of Appeals reversed the conviction, and ordered a new trial with a new judge, as the old one excluded evidence from an expert witness that would have validated Nacchio's claims. In a new trial, even more information about the Bush Administration's efforts to immediately conduct massive spying on American citizens upon the moment they entered office will come to light. The goal was total information awareness, an enormous drift net of data that could be used to any of a thousand pernicious ends. Among the evidence that could be provided are those secret contracts and communications on why they were cancelled, and when.

This is why you don't give blanket amnesty to lawsuits where the truth about illegal spying and surveillance could emerge.

http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2008/03/natch-by-dday-joseph-nacchio-was-ceo-of.html

That is good news. Did you get it from the mainstram media?

Roark77 Hussein @ 54:

Karen @ 49:

Not to disagree with your sentiments, but why do we even have an FCC to begin with? Let's get rid of that entity altogether.

The goofy complaining about programming crap aside, the FCC does handle licenses for radio, television and other broadcasting. Without someone to regulate licensing, you'd have chaos with people walking all over each other's bandwidths and the like.

The FCC hands out fines with ridiculous right leaning heavy handiness. That's something that does need to be altered and fixed.

If the agency were confined to nothing but handing out licenses in a completely neutral manner, and preventing technological chaos, that'd be ok. I suppose that's legitimate regulation of interstate commerce.

Confine it strictly to that, and I'll go along. :)

Karen @ 61:

If the agency were confined to nothing but handing out licenses in a completely neutral manner, and preventing technological chaos, that'd be ok. I suppose that's legitimate regulation of interstate commerce.

Confine it strictly to that, and I'll go along. :)

They've been criticized for how they hand out licenses too. They've set the bar in a way that it takes a significant amount of money to meet the requirements for a license and therefore knocks out smaller players that might be able to bring something good to the table. So your point about handing them out in a neutral fashion is a good one that they should at least try to meet.

Obama's a little puritanical about alcohol, but he still supports the troops.

Karen @ 61:

Roark77 Hussein @ 54:

Karen @ 49:

Not to disagree with your sentiments, but why do we even have an FCC to begin with? Let's get rid of that entity altogether.

The goofy complaining about programming crap aside, the FCC does handle licenses for radio, television and other broadcasting. Without someone to regulate licensing, you'd have chaos with people walking all over each other's bandwidths and the like.

The FCC hands out fines with ridiculous right leaning heavy handiness. That's something that does need to be altered and fixed.

If the agency were confined to nothing but handing out licenses in a completely neutral manner, and preventing technological chaos, that'd be ok. I suppose that's legitimate regulation of interstate commerce.

Confine it strictly to that, and I'll go along. :)

Me too. I think the Daily Show or the Colbert Report would have their stings drawn pretty fast if the bushies could do it. I'd rather use e-mail and my wallet to vote.

Ron @ 66:

Peter G @ 62:

Miss Kitty. Where I'm at we pick up Fox on an antenna. Turns out it's a rebroadcast from a cable pick up farther south. You're gonna get me fixed yet. LOL

There is a Fox local station in Seattle, but for the real bad shit from O'reilly and Hannity, you have to have cable.

Thank heaven for small, no large, mercies. Where I'm at Fox lost out to Al Jazeera for the limited new cable channels available. It was thought to be less balanced. I'm not kidding either. Rupert was pissed.

Roark77 Hussein @ 63:

Karen @ 61:

If the agency were confined to nothing but handing out licenses in a completely neutral manner, and preventing technological chaos, that'd be ok. I suppose that's legitimate regulation of interstate commerce.

Confine it strictly to that, and I'll go along. :)

They've been criticized for how they hand out licenses too. They've set the bar in a way that it takes a significant amount of money to meet the requirements for a license and therefore knocks out smaller players that might be able to bring something good to the table. So your point about handing them out in a neutral fashion is a good one that they should at least try to meet.

Indeed the FCC has been criticized for the way it hands out licenses. Under First Amendment law, governments may place reasonable time, place and manner restrictions on speech (eg, protest demonstrations in the public park must end at 10pm, and not spill over into the children's playground.). To enforce such basic regulations, governments are allowed to require licenses or permits to hold the demonstration, but the application for such a permit must be a formality. The official in charge of processing the permits must have no discretion whatsoever over who gets a permit and who doesn't. PETA comes in and asks for a permit, PETA is supposed to get one, and abide by its terms. And if the KKK comes in the next day and asks for one, the same should result.

But the FCC is a crazy federal entity that mostly engages in censorship and discrimination. The First Amendment says that Congress shall make no law that abridges the freedom of speech. I take the text seriously. No law means no law. So, I'm not entirely convinced that Congress even has the Constitutional power to establish the FCC to begin with.

As a matter of practicality, though, I wouldn't complain too much if it were confined to doling out licenses in a neutral manner and preventing technological chaos.

Karen@71 Yep. Broadcast bandwidth is limited and crowded and as it is a public resource there has to be some equitable way to dole it out. Attaching a censorship function is unnecessary no matter how angry these pricks sometimes make me. I understand where Ron is coming from but the idea of political appointees or even civil servants subject to the influence of these people making content decisions except in the most general way, makes me nervous.

Ron @ 68:

miss_kitty Hussein @ 64:

Roark77 Hussein @ 60:

miss_kitty Hussein @ 58:

The FCC does regulate cable. They regulate all interstate telecommunications and that includes cable. Cable networks have a different set of content regulations, that's why HBO can run the Sopranos and network stations have to edit it.

Thanks. I googled but was unable to find a definitive answer, which was what all the equivocation was about.

What I do recall is that broadcast stations have an obligation to serve the public-ie with education programming news shows and in the day there was a fairness deal-equal time-on political stuff. That seems to have evaporated, now that they're on titty and swearing patrol.

Reagan got rid of the fairness doctrine. Remember to thank him or give him one of these.

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Here's two fer you, ya dead prick.

Peter G @ 73:

Karen@71 Yep. Broadcast bandwidth is limited and crowded and as it is a public resource there has to be some equitable way to dole it out. Attaching a censorship function is unnecessary no matter how angry these pricks sometimes make me. I understand where Ron is coming from but the idea of political appointees or even civil servants subject to the influence of these people making content decisions except in the most general way, makes me nervous.

It's not about censorship, it's about propaganda. Freedom of speech should include all views but, propaganda only expresses one view.

Checking out myself. Good night Xoites.

Knight Peter the Great 'n' x...

Proud2bHumble Hus(in)sein @ 75:

Ron @ 68:

miss_kitty Hussein @ 64:

Roark77 Hussein @ 60:

Thanks. I googled but was unable to find a definitive answer, which was what all the equivocation was about.

What I do recall is that broadcast stations have an obligation to serve the public-ie with education programming news shows and in the day there was a fairness deal-equal time-on political stuff. That seems to have evaporated, now that they're on titty and swearing patrol.

Reagan got rid of the fairness doctrine. Remember to thank him or give him one of these.

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I can go one better, lol.

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h/t IdahoMoe

Here's two fer you, ya dead prick.

Hey I copied and pasted from one of your comments. Just because I didn't give full disclosure doesn't mean I don't like ya.

GN P2B Rock on!

Well, I wasn't just thinking of the fairness doctrine, but also the duty they have to act in the public interest.

In Seattle, we have Belo, which bought KING from a local owner, started KONG in Everett on the UHF band and demanded (and got) TCI/ATT/Comcast to drop the CBC in favour of their grotty regional 'News' channel.

Three channels. Kong is almost always paid programming, infomercial shite, and now KING (the NBC affiliate) is turning into a goddamn infomercial hole on the off times. Massive infomercials isn't really in the public interest...

Also their news is teh suck. People mispronouncing shit, misstating bullshit as fact, and when I write them (polite-ish) letters, those fuckers never respond.

Ron @ 77:

Peter G @ 73:

Karen@71 Yep. Broadcast bandwidth is limited and crowded and as it is a public resource there has to be some equitable way to dole it out. Attaching a censorship function is unnecessary no matter how angry these pricks sometimes make me. I understand where Ron is coming from but the idea of political appointees or even civil servants subject to the influence of these people making content decisions except in the most general way, makes me nervous.

It's not about censorship, it's about propaganda. Freedom of speech should include all views but, propaganda only expresses one view.

No, freedom of speech means that you have the freedom to express your opinions whatever they may be, and I have the freedom to express mine whatever they may be. Neither one of us has a responsibility to express any kind of opinion at all, much less the opinion of the other.

Should C&L be forced to include all viewpoints on its site? Hardly. It has the freedom to advance its viewpoints on its bandwidth.

miss_kitty Hussein @ 87:

Well, I wasn't just thinking of the fairness doctrine, but also the duty they have to act in the public interest.

In Seattle, we have Belo, which bought KING from a local owner, started KONG in Everett on the UHF band and demanded (and got) TCI/ATT/Comcast to drop the CBC in favour of their grotty regional 'News' channel.

Three channels. Kong is almost always paid programming, infomercial shite, and now KING (the NBC affiliate) is turning into a goddamn infomercial hole on the off times. Massive infomercials isn't really in the public interest...

Also their news is teh suck. People mispronouncing shit, misstating bullshit as fact, and when I write them (polite-ish) letters, those fuckers never respond.

I feel your pain.

Oh, and indeed, preventing monopolies in is a good idea, but again, that's regulation of commerce. We do have an FTC for that. We don't need the FCC for that.

Ron @ 92:

Let's tone it down a bit. Kinda like you.

Then I only feel kinda jilted, at a bass level, ya bassturd, lol ;}

miss_kitty Hussein @ 94:

Ron @ 91:

miss_kitty Hussein @ 87:

Wblah blah blah blahblahblah

I feel your pain.

So does my dog. I scare the shit out of her sometimes yelling at those a-holes. And my neighbours feel it too, sometimes :o

But KOMO is as bad and KIRO is thoroughly unwatchable.

Fine. Let them continue marginalizing themselves as sources of information, like the rest of the msmotherfuckers. The younger generations are increasingly net saavy, and will come to C&L et al in droves as their interest grows with age, hopefully.

Karen @ 89:

No, freedom of speech means that you have the freedom to express your opinions whatever they may be, and I have the freedom to express mine whatever they may be. Neither one of us has a responsibility to express any kind of opinion at all, much less the opinion of the other.

Should C&L be forced to include all viewpoints on its site? Hardly. It has the freedom to advance its viewpoints on its bandwidth.

That's one of the most succint ways of putting it that I've heard in awhile. I think people forget that freedom of speech doesn't mean making every side get heard. It just gives you a chance to have a voice for your side.

The problem that most people have is when news organizations start claiming to be unbiased but clearly push an agenda, that's something that needs some fixing and there's no real way to do it. C&L, Free Republic, Kos, etc don't have to be unbiased but the big networks should be if they want to claim to be...fair and balanced, for example.

Roark77 Hussein @ 99:

Karen @ 89:

No, freedom of speech means that you have the freedom to express your opinions whatever they may be, and I have the freedom to express mine whatever they may be. Neither one of us has a responsibility to express any kind of opinion at all, much less the opinion of the other.

Should C&L be forced to include all viewpoints on its site? Hardly. It has the freedom to advance its viewpoints on its bandwidth.

That's one of the most succint ways of putting it that I've heard in awhile. I think people forget that freedom of speech doesn't mean making every side get heard. It just gives you a chance to have a voice for your side.

The problem that most people have is when news organizations start claiming to be unbiased but clearly push an agenda, that's something that needs some fixing and there's no real way to do it. C&L, Free Republic, Kos, etc don't have to be unbiased but the big networks should be if they want to claim to be...fair and balanced, for example.

So, what you are saying is "Cut his mike." shouldn't be in the broadcast.

Ron @ 101:

So, what you are saying is "Cut his mike." shouldn't be in the broadcast.

I love when BillO blows a gasket and bellows "cut his mike." That's how you can tell when someone's really gotten him and defeated his talking points.

It's like the Spin Zone version of a touchdown.

xoites Hussein defends Constitution @ 76:

I just popped in to say hello, i must go to bed.

If you can find a way to see HBO's John Adams, please do.

The Continental Congress reminds me very much about how we argue over what to do in our current circumstances. They were certainly not of one mind. When finally they all agreed to declare independance from Great Britain they were profoundly struck silent by what they had finally achieved.

GNA! :)

I do not receive HBO but I suspect that it will tell the familiar story of how John Adams and the other Founding Fathers fought the British because they resisted paying unfair taxes and wanted to be free from the tyrannical rule of their English overlords. But one would be quite surprised if the program actually posed a theory, perhaps a very strong theory, why the colonists rebelled and that would because of the issue of slavery. A book that came out a few years ago [Slave Nation by Alfred Blumrosen and Ruth Blumrosen 2006] lays out the groundwork for this plausible theory by noting, among other things, that the Virginia Resolution, from which came the 1st Continental Congress of 1774, involved the ownership of property and in particular the property of slaves.

John Adams agreed with the southern states that slavery should be upheld. After the Revolutionary War, Adams would continue to be against the idea that slaves in the newly formed United States should be freed. What may have terrified the wealthy landowners in the New World was a ruling that took place in England involving the Sommersett case, which ruled that a slave that had fled from America to England in the 1770s was not legally required to return to America in chains and as a slave and was subsequently declared to be a free man. The gentry in America greatly feared that the ruling involving the former slave could then include those slaves residing in America and, because of that possibility occurring, the north and the south aligned themselves in their fight against England.

The hagiographies and flag waving of the Founding Fathers make it quite doubtful if this particular version of why the American Revolution was fought will ever be seen on television or the big screen anytime in the near future.

Roark77 Hussein @ 103:

Ron @ 101:

So, what you are saying is "Cut his mike." shouldn't be in the broadcast.

I love when BillO blows a gasket and bellows "cut his mike." That's how you can tell when someone's really gotten him and defeated his talking points.

It's like the Spin Zone version of a touchdown.

You'd think he'd see it coming. Blowme Really was a punter in college, and continues to be to this day.

Erroll @ 105:

xoites Hussein defends Constitution @ 76:

I just popped in to say hello, i must go to bed.

If you can find a way to see HBO's John Adams, please do.

The Continental Congress reminds me very much about how we argue over what to do in our current circumstances. They were certainly not of one mind. When finally they all agreed to declare independance from Great Britain they were profoundly struck silent by what they had finally achieved.

GNA! :)

I do not receive HBO but I suspect that it will tell the familiar story of how John Adams and the other Founding Fathers fought the British because they resisted paying unfair taxes and wanted to be free from the tyrannical rule of their English overlords. But one would be quite surprised if the program actually posed a theory, perhaps a very strong theory, why the colonists rebelled and that would because of the issue of slavery. A book that came out a few years ago [Slave Nation by Alfred Blumrosen and Ruth Blumrosen 2006] lays out the groundwork for this plausible theory by noting, among other things, that the Virginia Resolution, from which came the 1st Continental Congress of 1774, involved the ownership of property and in particular the property of slaves.

John Adams agreed with the southern states that slavery should be upheld. After the Revolutionary War, Adams would continue to be against the idea that slaves in the newly formed United States should be freed. What may have terrified the wealthy landowners in the New World was a ruling that took place in England involving the Sommersett case, which ruled that a slave that had fled from America to England in the 1770s was not legally required to return to America in chains and as a slave and was subsequently declared to be a free man. The gentry in America greatly feared that the ruling involving the former slave could then include those slaves residing in America and, because of that possibility occurring, the north and the south aligned themselves in their fight against England.

The hagiographies and flag waving of the Founding Fathers make it quite doubtful if this particular version of why the American Revolution was fought will ever be seen on television or the big screen anytime in the near future.

one thing the show left out (other than the slavery issue in regards the votes for independence as for virginia, south and north carolina) is that it was the honored rev mayhew who coined the term "no taxation without representation"

yes, one of the first patritots spoke these words of rebellion from the pulpit

politics and the church have always been intertwined in this country

Avid Reader @ 33:

Thanks!

Karen @ 41:

Erroll @ 27:

It is to the everlasting shame of the New York Times that not one single word was mentioned at all regarding the testimony of the Winter Soldiers in Silver springs, Md. This coming from the paper of record whose motto is "All the News That's fit to Print." All the more reason to be grateful for such independent media such as Free Speech TV and Democracy Now! which did broadcast the testimony of these soldiers these past four days.

Indeed. And frankly, it's an insane motto to begin with. As Christopher Hitchens said, "Every day, the New York Times carries a motto in a box on its front page. "All the News That's Fit to Print," it says. It's been saying it for decades, day in and day out. I imagine most readers of the canonical sheet have long ceased to notice this bannered and flaunted symbol of its mental furniture. I myself check every day to make sure that the bright, smug, pompous, idiotic claim is still there."

I actually DID check it regularly until I went to high school, Where we used the NYTimes as a factual reference for history class. I stopped believing after reading a story about Chile and how the Social Democratis Party was sooo bad because they wanted their own people to benefit from their natural resources.

TheEnticer @ 114:

Ron @ 98:

Proud2bHumble Hus(in)sein @ 95:

Ron @ 92:
Let's tone it down a bit. Kinda like you.

Then I only feel kinda jilted, at a bass level, ya bassturd, lol ;}

2b, I have to go to bed and no you can't join me. LOL

Do you guys need a room?

Ok something didnt work properly.. My comment consisted of only one sentence... "Do you guys need a room?"..

Ron @ 46:

Karen @ 41:

Erroll @ 27:

It is to the everlasting shame of the New York Times that not one single word was mentioned at all regarding the testimony of the Winter Soldiers in Silver springs, Md. This coming from the paper of record whose motto is "All the News That's fit to Print." All the more reason to be grateful for such independent media such as Free Speech TV and Democracy Now! which did broadcast the testimony of these soldiers these past four days.

The NY Times hired Bill Kristol, it lost what little credibility it had left.
Indeed. And frankly, it's an insane motto to begin with. As Christopher Hitchens said, "Every day, the New York Times carries a motto in a box on its front page. "All the News That's Fit to Print," it says. It's been saying it for decades, day in and day out. I imagine most readers of the canonical sheet have long ceased to notice this bannered and flaunted symbol of its mental furniture. I myself check every day to make sure that the bright, smug, pompous, idiotic claim is still there."

The credibility of the times was permanently extinguished when they frd the propaganda in the leadup to the Iraq War. Judy Miller, Brooks, MoDo...etc cannot be offset by Herbert and Krugman.

Peter G @ 57:

Unfortunately if the FCC got some regulatory dentures back I'm fairly confident the first person they'd hang out to dry would be Keith O. and not anyone from Fox.

scary thought, but highly likely.

Erroll @ 105:

xoites Hussein defends Constitution @ 76:

yep, just like today, they did it for money back then.

I believe repugs are paying trolls to keep the Rev. Wright molehill going.

tHeGaMeHusseinOfLiFe @ 123:

I believe repugs are paying trolls to keep the Rev. Wright molehill going.

They must be paying with cheetos and coke. And pop-rocks. And happy meals, etc....lol

BaScOmBe whose saying "NO REPUGS" @ 126:

Bill definitely had his fuckups, but Monica reeeeaaallly blew it, lol.

;}

TheEnticer @ 128:

Proud2bHumble Hus(in)sein @ 116:

TheEnticer @ 114:

Ron @ 98:
Do you guys need a room?

Don't tell me you have family in the motel business...lol (just kidding, as you should know by now)
;-}

Why you racist.. lol.. just kidding

Actually my family's business is not so lucrative .. knowledge.. (not education .. that is very lucrative).. my ancestors were supposed to be astrologers... if only they had told peopl ewhat they wanted to hear.. I wouldnt have to do my dayjob :(

Obviously forms character, in your case...:-)

Military Fatalities: By Time Period
Period US UK Other* Total Avg Days
6 904 45 9 958 2.33 411
5 933 32 20 985 2.39 412
4 715 13 18 746 2.35 318
3 580 25 27 632 2.93 216
2 718 27 59 804 1.9 424
1 140 33 173 4.02 43
Total 3990 175 133 4298 2.36 1824

eric @ 53:

http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/

Natch

by dday

Joseph Nacchio was the CEO of Qwest Communications, and seven months before 9-11 (let me repeat, BEFORE 9-11), he and his company were asked to assist the US government in providing access to their communications networks without a warrant. Of all the telecoms, Nacchio and Qwest were the only ones to refuse. The government consequently pulled a bunch of their top-secret contracts and generally made it impossible for Qwest to do business. The stock dropped precipitously, and later federal prosecutors arrested Nacchio for insider trading, for having sold a significant amount of his holdings before the stock tanked. He claimed that he was actually trying to raise capital to exercise options and buy more stock, as he expected the government contracts to be renewed. This all went to trial and Nacchio was convicted last year.

But today, the 10th Circuit Court of Appeals reversed the conviction, and ordered a new trial with a new judge, as the old one excluded evidence from an expert witness that would have validated Nacchio's claims. In a new trial, even more information about the Bush Administration's efforts to immediately conduct massive spying on American citizens upon the moment they entered office will come to light. The goal was total information awareness, an enormous drift net of data that could be used to any of a thousand pernicious ends. Among the evidence that could be provided are those secret contracts and communications on why they were cancelled, and when.

This is why you don't give blanket amnesty to lawsuits where the truth about illegal spying and surveillance could emerge.

http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2008/03/natch-by-dday-joseph-nacchio-was-ceo-of.html

This is going to be good. The chickens are coming home to roost.

Proud2bHumble Hus(in)sein @ 125:

tHeGaMeHusseinOfLiFe @ 123:

I believe repugs are paying trolls to keep the Rev. Wright molehill going.

They must be paying with cheetos and coke. And pop-rocks. And happy meals, etc....lol

Yep

HAHAHAHAHA

BTW, Today is the first full day for Hillary's and Geraldine's Black Governor.

Rescue Puts Credibility of the Fed on the Line
By EDMUND L. ANDREWS
The Fed is putting its reputation and resources on the line to rescue Wall Street's biggest institutions from their far-reaching mistakes.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/18/business/18fed.html?th&emc=th

Bombing Kills 43 in Shiite Holy City in Iraq
By RICHARD A. OPPEL Jr. and QAIS MIZHER
The explosion, the deadliest attack in Karbala in nearly a year, overshadowed a Baghdad visit by Vice President Dick Cheney.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/18/world/middleeast/18iraq.html?th&emc=th

,,,,,,,,
why would the dickster bring his family here?

African-America
Proud
Articulate (as in, not sounding like a mumble-mouth Jackson)
Intelligent
Hard working
Hussein
Christian
Rev. Wright
Honest
Sincere
Transparent
Forward-thinking
Refreshing
Change
Happy

Yep, that's the shit to fear.

GMAFB

BaScOmBe whose saying "NO REPUGS" @ 137:

BTW, Today is the first full day for Hillary's and Geraldine's Black Governor.

And?

Their analysis of more than 10,000 food-borne illnesses from 1973 to 2006 revealed that leafy greens were involved in a total of 5 percent of all food-borne outbreaks. Most of the leafy green outbreaks were caused by norovirus (60 percent), while others were caused by salmonella (10 percent) and E. coli (9 percent). Even the Bush-rigged Supreme Court
won't
defend MonopolySoft! But they will review FCC indecency rules. Florida gives up on mail-in votes.

[[[23 tHeGaMeHusseinOfLiFe Says]]]: I believe repugs are paying trolls to keep the Rev. Wright molehill going.

===>>Rev. Wright??? Should we know that name? Lost on me.