Using Public Airwaves To Encourage Criminal Acts
By Jamie Friday Mar 21, 2008 6:02pm
We all remember earlier this month when Rush Limbaugh encouraged Republicans to vote for Hillary in Texas and Ohio's primaries. In Ohio when you change parties you must sign a form stating you are doing so because you believe in the political ideals of that party. Lying on that form is a criminal act, and has now spawned an investigation:
The Cuyahoga County Board of Elections has launched an investigation that could lead to criminal charges against voters who maliciously switched parties for the March 4 presidential primary.
Elections workers will look for evidence that voters lied when they signed affidavits pledging allegiance to their new party. And at least one board member, Sandy McNair, a Democrat, wants the county prosecutor to review the findings.
But it remained unclear Wednesday whether the four-member board will agree to pursue prosecution. A 2-2 vote would mean that Ohio Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner, a Democrat, would have to break the tie.
After the election a lot of these cross overs went on the air and proudly proclaimed that they did it for Rush. Little did they know they were admitting before the nation that they may have just broken the law.
Now the question remains about Rush's involvement in this. Using the public airwaves to encourage people to break the law has been a shady area in the past. If charges do come out of the investigation, then the FCC needs to look at Rush's involvement and possibly take action against him, as well as all affiliates that carry his show.
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Wouldn't we ALL love to see Porky Pig face some big boys on this!
Did everyone have a happy Capital Punishment Day yesterday?
I've heard Randi Rhodes telling a caller how to do it and telling him to vote for Romney during the primaries. How come there is no calling for criminal investigation?
FCC?? They'll applaud Rush.
Because the idea of voting for a man who wears magical underpanties was clearly a joke. Hillary is actually a real candidate.
nyguy @ 3:
If you have evidence produce it.
nyguy @ 3:
Was it illegal in the state in question?
You might want to check that out before whining too loudly.
slippy hussein toad @ 6:
I don't spend the day recording radio talk shows.
The FCC won't touch Limpballs.
The FCC allows so many illegal acts to occur on right wing talk radio that any talk of enforcement against the right is just that: TALK.
The FCC is completely corrupt, and due to the fact that their unwillingness to enforce the laws against right wingers is so well documented, even during the Clinton Administration, that I think the FCC needs disbanded and fresh people staffing a fresh agency needs to be the order of business.
Imagine that.
Dittoheads looking at felony charges for following the limp dicked, drug addicts advice.
I think the real surprise for them comes when they see what is costs to wiggle out of a conviction.
In a just world, where we actually had a democratic government, this would happen. Like impeachment.
In the real world, you've got no shot. The FCC will not touch this guy. He's a paid lackey for the GOP, and so are those who sit on the FCC.
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IMNSHO - there is a better chance that Rush will reveal he has seen the light and become a card carrying member of the Democratic Socialists.
No one is going to be prosecuted. The case is way too difficult to prove in court and it becomes a case of those mean old Democratic prosecutors picking on those poor innocent, weak but good hearted Republican middle class voters aka dittoheads.
As far as Limberger is concerned, the FCC is not even going to acknowledge receipt of a complaint if one is filed. The Bushies are still in the cat bird seat.
Vociferously encouraging others to break rules to achieve a personal desire?
Isn't that just what you would expect from someone with that much reight-wing influence, a high school education, a huge cigar, and a small, limp penis?
GWBush, and others, ahem, Brian Byers, to the last stitch, perfectly impersonated by ol' Rushbo.
I remember Rhodes saying that also on a few ocassions. There's nothing I'd like better than to see Rush get to see the inside of a cell, but he wasn't alone on that one. Oh, by the way, Rush is such an asshole. Just feels good to say that.
Kevin Martin, Chairman of the FCC, will look at the charges and laugh, close the book and walk away. Hopefully, shortly after history is made at the inauguration, the new President will put Michael Copps or Jonathan Adelstein in Martin's chair and the FCC will be viable once again.
EnderW @ 9:
And I say this as both a watchdog and a licensee. As an Amateur Extra Licensee, when it takes a freaking CONGRESSMAN to deal with a problem involving death threats and threats to blow up federal buildings, after numerous reports to the FCC asking for something to be done, and that being the norm for ANY complaint against ANY right winger for ANY reason (including Terrorism).
I have a nice list of Career FCC employees that need to be fired and investigated.
These people have been breaking laws for years. They'll get away with this as well. What about that right-wing radio host that encouraged his listeners to kill representatives and senators if they voted for amnesty?
Hillary's bald-faced lies.
Marco @ 15:
hola marco...(if this the same marco) I didn't know that this kind of thing was illegal. nice to see you again marco.i hope all is well in your part of this crazy world we live in.
We should be so lucky as to see that disgusting loudmouth in legal trouble - again.
Does this mean that maybe Hillary DIDN'T really "win" Ohio ? ?
David Aquarius @ 16:
I disagree entirely. There is a leadership problem, but the even bigger problem is at the Career Employee level. The people that Clearchannel and friends started stacking in the FCC since the 1970's and 1980's... These employees run the show, and any change at the top won't matter a bit when the lawyers and EB agents are right wing radicals who will do anything to protect the right, right down to protecting Terrorists.
The FCC is terminally broken. Time for a new agency with new people.
Zooey @ 19:
Hi zooey how are you?
Didn't Mann Coulter get in trouble for voter fraud awhile back?
I wonder how that's going? seems to have dropped of the radar.
Brian Kilmeade has advocated violence against groups and or dissidents on Faux at least twice.
and hes not the only RW mouthpiece to have done this on the airwaves.
What will it take for the FCC to crack down on these hate promoters, dead bodies on TV after the fact !?
Clinton in office would be bread and butter for Limbaugh. Remember he has that big contract to live up to.
Sometimes a cigar is just a penis.
mudshark @ 24:
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But it's the Cuyahoga County Board of Elections that would have first shot at the voters who took Rush's advice, and I don't see how they can avoid addressing this problem if the state law is that specific and the violations are so open. But this oughta' really make Rush unpopular. Then a voter convicted of fraud could bring a lawsuit against Rush, claiming he instigated the lawbreaking.
Leave the FCC out of it. Until a Democratic president's in office, they're worthless.
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"Lying on that form is a criminal act"
In case any missed it, it is a felony.
Getting the oxycontin popper in trouble with the FCC is probably a long shot but a few felony convictions of dittoheads seems likely.
What a waste of time, their is no way they will take this to court, how pathetic the dem's have come. Of course Rush said the Dem's have been doing the same thing so there you go..
"Now the question remains about Rush’s involvement in this. Using the public airwaves to encourage people to break the law has been a shady area in the past. If charges do come out of the investigation, then the FCC needs to look at Rush’s involvement and possibly take action against him, as well as all affiliates that carry his show."
Not as long as there is a Republican in the White House. The prospect of bringing all these Republican thugs and criminals to justice is not the only reason I would vote to keep McCain out of the White House but it's probably in the top 3.
This is why I was upset when Markos over at Daily Kos urged his readers in MI to vote for Mitt Romney! We tried this same shit and lost the moral high ground when we did!
Kevin Jeffrey Martin. Political party U.S. Republican is the Chairman of the Federal Communications Commission. He was nominated to be a commissioner by President George W. Bush on April 30, 2001, and was confirmed on May 25, 2001. On March 16, 2005, President Bush designated him as FCC chairman, to replace Michael K. Powell. President Bush renominated Martin to a new five year term on the Commission on April 25, 2006, and he was reconfirmed by the U.S. Senate on November 17, 2006.
Before becoming a commissioner, Martin was a Special Assistant to the President for Economic Policy. He has also served as the Deputy General Counsel to Bush-Cheney 2000, on the Bush-Cheney recount team in Florida, and on the Presidential Transition.
This kid is going to go after Rush?
chris @ 31:
Chris.....................so I gather you listen and believe Osama Bin Limbaugh. He speaks the truth.he never lies.
sheesh chris no wonder people don't like you.
LUSH NOBALLS the only guy who's prescription for Viagra included a pill cutter , half a pill was way more than enough......
mudshark @ 24:
The guy who was trying to prosecute her ran into brick walls.
It's not going to happen. She's not a Dem or a Liberal in which case she would be eating a bologna and white bread sandwich at this moment before heading to the exercise yard.
You can have your free elections as long as they're Republican. What sickens me is how do these people not realize how unpatriotic and deceitful this is. Fuck discourse and the will of the people, win at cost, even your own personal welfare.
NOVAK: All kidding aside. Is this country, with the permissiveness, that we are moving toward a fascist theocracy?
ZAPPA: You bet we are buddy.
ferrofluid @ 25:
They dropped charges a few weeks ago. Remember, that was in Florida.
Marco @ 15:
and twice arrested and convicted fined for possession / smuggling Sildenafil (a drug used by date rapers and child rapists) and Oxycontin (heroin based drug) nice that somebody like this is a role model for our children and poisoning their minds.
BIGBONEDED @ 36:
I thought he had perma hard-on for hate-mongering.
It would be nice, then we really could say cleaning up America one filthy dirty lying republican at a time!
mudshark @ 24:
She was aquitted. Didn't you know, it's okay for right wingers to do vote fraud. It's also okay for people like her to call repeatedly for illegal Terrorist acts against Americans right on the airwaves.
It's time to disband the FCC and create a new agency with new people! (And Bush set the precident, we CAN do this!)
EnderW @ 9:
The FCC is an arm of the Republican Party, and not the least bit coincidentally, it allows them to consolidate their grip on the disinformation they peddle, it needs some kind of oversight other than a crony filled 5 person committee
chris @ 31:
We live in a country that throws people in prison for smoking a joint. I wouldn't hold my breathe on no one going to jail over this.
mudshark @ 35:
They don't like me, boo hoo, alot of people don't like capitalism and the capitalist but I'll truck on. I'm just saying, they can't be waste time on this, its just part of the process..
ferrofluid @ 25:
Well, what I was told by the lead counsel of the EB was that because the person doing the act isn't a licensee, that they can't touch that person, and that they can only touch the licensees, but that they have no intention of doing that, because the licensees have no control over the programming, and that they don't regulate the airing of syndicated programming.
I asked about that after Michael Weiner called for the GENOCIDE of all Democrats over the airwaves.
We only have two options: Because the FCC is corrupt at all levels, and because a change at the top won't change the status-quo due to the fact that the actual employees support what is on the airwaves, right down for advocating Terrorism against Americans, and because they refuse to even enforce the law in such cases, we can disband the FCC and create a new agency blacklisting the old employees so that we get fresh blood in; or, well, we know what the FCC approves of. Let's do it too! EXTERMINATE ALL CONSERVATIVES!
chris @ 47:
Wow that makes a lot of sense.
mudshark @ 24:
Hi mudshark, long time no see. :)
I think she slept her way out of the fraud charge. Ewwww....
I have to say as a Canadian - whether or not I am currently allowed to comment on this blog - C&L is a terrific source of pure entertainment for those of us in the rest of the world. The sad part is that the US continues to be a major economic/cultural/military influence. My hope is that all of that will change - soon.
L.A. Confidential @ 49:
You speak piss-soaked trollese?
Zooey @ 50:
FEC ruled Coulter did not willfully break election laws and the case was dismissed.
L.A. Confidential @ 52:
oh,so she did the lawyer,judge,court reporter and the bailif...........wow, she got of light.I 'm sure she was willing to do the jury as well.
L.A. Confidential @ 49:
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Rush never made sense either.
This is why political parties are a joke. This oath is so loosely worded they could say they did believe in its ideals such as patriotism and strength or something lame like that. Or they could say that everyone else needs to be pro-choice or anti-death penalty. There is no case here. The only time someone should be busted is if they try to vote in both.
L.A. Confidential @ 52:
Of course! IF you are Ann Coulter, you get to vote in three states in the same election! (Florida, New Jersey, and New York)! Not to mention, in the wrong precinct in one of them!
Then again, this is the same FEC that was staffed on the recommendation of our dear Soliciter General, the skinhead Neo-Nazi!
L.A. Confidential @ 52:
That what I said! Heh.
mudshark @ 53:
EWWWW! That's sad too, because syphillis is incurable!
Well, I knew it. All these years the Republicans have been throwing up this conspiracy theory of Democratic "voter fraud", and it was just a cover for REPUBLICAN voter fraud. When will the liberal media jump on this?
Dear Lord, I hope this goes to criminal trial and rush is convicted!!
Zooey @ 51:
I think Libs are you upset because they have failed on radio, mainstream America isn't buying what your selling...
chris @ 61:
TRANSLATOR!?
Chuck @ 46:
to go to jail for minor drug charges, you have to be poor / black / minority and or commie liberal hippy looking,
basically anything that doesnt look like some smart suited up lawyered up Republican church going hypocrite.
Limpbough's chickens are coming home to roost!
chris @ 31:
So how do you explane record # of Dems voting and such a low # of repigs voting?
President PNACcio @ 59:
"Liberal Media"? No such beast in the audio or video world.
I mean shit, cross-reference the master file here: ftp://ftp.fec.gov/ with the ownership records at http://www.fcc.gov/mb/ and http://www.sec.gov/
The MSM on TV and Radio is over 97% Republican owned! Click the links and do the research yourself!
This right here is the "Liberal Media", because the Internet is all that's left, until people start rediscovering Shortwave Radio and putting up the money to build some stations.
Blue Lensman @ 62:
Translation:
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chris @ 61:
We're not selling bullshit Chris. That why your 18% screaming minority isn't buying it.
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Blue Lensman @ 62:
Ok, near as I can tell, it's saying "Help, please help (could be Waaahhh!!!), there's miceys under my bridge, and I'm skeered."
EnderW @ 67:
Awwwwww... Darnit, you think the ditto-monkey might start slinging shit at us?
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Awww come on! purty please?
LOL okay as you wish.
EnderW @ 66:
Of course I was being sarcastic about the "liberal media", but thanks for posting the links for others to use. It's really a "corporate media".
President PNACcio @ 70:
The Media Consolidation Act was claimed to foster competition. Instead, it continued the historic industry consolidation begun by Reagan, whose actions reduced the number of major media companies from around 50 in 1983 to 10 in 1996, reducing the 10 in 1996 to 6 in 2005.
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Zooey @ 68:
Musta been a shift change at the overseas internet cubicle farm they use on weekends for the ongoing 'chris' character in their little contardianfucknut charade... don't be too hard on him, this one's just a 3rd worlder tryin' ta survive. Either that or chrissy's mom is takin' over while he cranks one out on a long bathroom break, lol.
;-}
EnderW @ 58:
I suspect she just BLEW on out on this one. dunnow if syphilis is as easy to catch from mouth cankers as it is from genital sores.
Looking at the picture of rush, just shave his head on top , add some 5 O´clock shadow and you have what looks like a Tony Soprano mob style dillweed.
Except the mob is more intellegent then Rush and shuts its mouth when it knows when.
Femme Varie @ 75:
OK, now I just got here and see syphilis on the same thread as Rush Limbaughs name ...
Do I dare hope?
♣Bangkok Bob♥ @ 77:
Nah, you need to read the context... That was in reference to Ann Coulter and her legal problems on vote fraud.
It would be nice if something is done about this, elections should be about us (the people) voting who we want, not throwing sand in the face of our opponent.
What Rush did is prosecutable. So don't think about prosecuting him. Just prosecute him.
EnderW @ 78:
Oh, coulter, the ethics reform chick (snark)
chris @ 47:
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better stop talking about her, I'm still hung over pretty bad and don't need anything more to trigger my gag reflex.
♣Bangkok Bob♥ @ 77:
go right ahead. I'll hope with you. What a trifecta that would be if Insanity as well as Limpballs and Adam's apple Annie had syphilis.
♣Bangkok Bob♠ @ 79:
Well, unfortunately, I doubt anything will be done, except at the local level in this case.
As far as the level of discourse in politics, the right only has itself to blame now that we realize the only way to deal with the schoolyard bully is to kick the bully's teeth in. I fully support using the right's own methods against the right, and yes, that does me we have to get (more than) a little dirty in the process. If they wanna whine about it, all we have to do is point to the hundreds and even thousands of cases of them doing it.
Nice flash game for Easter with the average Rush Limpballs listener featured!
http://www.killfrog.com/games/36-games/104-how-to-make-a-chocolate-easte...
EnderW @ 48:
Chuck @ 46:
to go to jail for minor drug charges, you have to be poor / black / minority and or commie liberal hippy looking,
basically anything that doesnt look like some smart suited up lawyered up Republican church going hypocrite.
The former is the only legal logical moral way, the latter leads only to the excesses that they commit now.
Greg @ 82:
Sorry, at times it's just to hard not to.
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EnderW @ 48:
The former is the only legal logical moral way, the latter leads only to the excesses that they commit (or wish to) now and the break down of society.
Life is nicer with moral laws and polite rules.
That cigar is probably three times the size of his Richard Nixon.
ahem
cough cough achoo
Marco @ 15:
I know he will get away with it because he is a Republican. BUT wouldn't it be funny to see him go to jail and become someone's B!T(h.
Without actually feeding any trolls I would like to point out two facts. The radio networks are controlled by corporations, hence Republicans. The right wingers are less than effective on the internet because it is not controlled by the Republicans and their is no kill button they can press any time someone says something they disagree with. Still it's always a pleasure to watch O'reilly shart and scream " cut off his mike" every time someone says "Olbermann".
EnderW @ 58:
Since when?
Lisa Williamson @ 90:
gotcha, but I doubt it. I have a sneaking suspicion a black n mild is closer to being 3 times the size of his Richard Nixon, if not, then a cigarette is. He is known for his fondness of countries that engage in child prostitution.
Peter G @ 93:
Just give them time and they will own the internet.
ferrofluid @ 89:
Maybe, but history shows that gets us nowhere. The Social Democrats in Germany took your view and prevailed in 1930-32. Look where it got them.
RMHK @ 94:
EnderW said incurable; not untreatable. It's kinda like diabetes. You can't cure it, but you can treat it, and you end up having to treat it or it's symptoms for the rest of your life.
Greg @ 88:
I cantacted John at least 2 months ago and he took care of it.
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EnderW @ 97:
I might add that I don't think you understand the extent of the problem of the mindset we are dealing with. There are bullies who think they can get away with anything because everyone either ignores them or tries to be nice to them and "talk it out". Ask any kid in the schoolyard how far that gets you, assuming it doesn't land you in the hospital.
There is only one cure for bullies, and you have to be down and dirty mean and kick their teeth in. This is the ONLY cure that works.
Only touchy-feely coward counsellers, and quakers, think that you can stop a bully by doing nothing or being nice to the bully. It doesn't work. You have to kick the bully's teeth in using his own methods, and only then do you stop the bully.
It's a power and control thing. The bully is in control and has the power if nobody will beat the holy living crap out of him.
EnderW @ 100:
"Our problem is about political attitude.
So many of us ignore or patronize all these little right-wing creepy crawlers, thinking they will either go away, quiet down or change.
Well, they don't and they won't.
They get louder, meaner, more obnoxious and stronger everyday.
They feed off each other and over the past generation have taken their radical politics to the status quo."
--Rack Jite
EnderW @ 101:
That quote is over a decade old. You'd think the left would have learned something by now... Oh well... Hope springs eternal.
Clearly this law is unconstitutional. You can not limit a person's ability to participate in the democratic process because of his or her beliefs. Our democratic system does not allow for ideological litmus tests. I am surprised you are not criticizing the existence of this law.
This is why Obama doesn't want a mail-in do-over in FL and MI. The wingers will, as they did in the last caucus states, encourage repubs to vote for Hillary. This also the reason 'open' primaries are so pernicious.
john in california @ 104:
I agree, we can't have the opposition picking our candidates. I think they all should be registered primaries, and if you cast a ballot in a primary, you have to vote for that party in the general, only then can it be kept honest.
I note "Amused" in #103 seems to be defending Limpballs and his listeners.
I hope that fat bastard gags on that schlong looking cigar object he fondles in his mouth.
EnderW @ 105:
EnderW, I assume you opposed Markos at Daily Kos when he urged Dems to switch parties and vote in a Republican primary? Or are your beliefs situational?
Wait til the lawsuits commence with the Iowa students who lived in Illinois and just signed up to vote. As soon as the FOIA gets thru checking the registrants who voted with their vote in Illinois. That's a federal offense.
No blaming anyone else the students themselves are at fault. There were at least 100,000 names that are being checked.
Amused @ 107:
I'll make a decision on that when I see what the Bush-Appointed Judge says about Limpballs. What's good for you is good for us.
Marge @ 108:
Hi Marge......are you sure about this? Can you provide a link? This is very big news.I'm not questioning you,I just want to know the truth about this.
Yeahhhh buddy!
limpdic is on his way out too. he better stock up on the little blue pill and oxy.
It's about time people started to look into the lawlessness of the repug party.
Every one of those fools who told rush what they did should be removed for life from the electoral process and worse.
EnderW @ 109:
I might add that a Bush (41) appointed Judge ruled that it's okay to put hit lists of online against Liberals and to offer a bounty and to cross off their faces when they are killed. So, we know that anything goes on the Internet.
At issue here is if it's legal to organize illegal activities over the airwaves.
EnderW @ 113:
Since the FCC allows the right to advocate Terrorism against Americans, even GENOCIDE of ALL Democrats, I don't see them lifting a finger against Limpballs, nor do I think a Republican Judge would find against him, and if this is the case, then I fully approve of calling for illegal activities over the airwaves. If a conservative Judge thinks it's okay, then it's okay, right?
EnderW @ 109:
Funny. Markos orchestrated his effort first.
I don't see it as being illegal (because of the constitutional protection of speech). Ethically wrong and irresponsible, yes. Both Rush and Markos are the same: ideological blowhards.
EnderW @ 114:
Amused @ 116:
Let me try this again -- I messed up above.
Can you provide a link to story on this ruling? Thanks.
Amused @ 107:
It wasn't just Daily Kos that was urging that. Quite a few sites were wanting people to do that, and to vote for Romney just to "screw up their candidate selection"......hmmm....who won Michigan for Repubs?
Amused @ 115:
Actually, the Republicans, back in January were urging Texas Republicans to infiltrate the Democratic Precinct Conventions (the Republicans do this every two years in Texas). So, we can truly say the Republicans did it first this year.
I understand you think that anything goes on the airwaves, and that it's just "Free Speech". In fact, I can name six Counsellers at the FCC that agree with you even as far as Coulter, Hannity, and Weiner calling for GENOCIDE of ALL Democrats, and them and others calling for Terrorist acts to be committed by their listeners (many of whom do) against Democrats and other liberals. I understand you feel that is freedom of speech, and I can't wait until we can incite our own people to physically attack you too, as I said, what's good for you is good for us.
Even the Senior Counsel at the FCC agrees with you that calling for Terrorist Acts against Americans over the airwaves is protected free speech.
I know what's legal over the airwaves, as one who has complained, and been told that organizing criminal activities over the airwaves is perfectly legal.
ConcernedCanuck @ 118:
The issue has nothing to do with the Internet. Read the title of the article.
Everyone knows that anything is okay on the Internet ever since the anti-choice Terrorists got the Bush judge to let them have their hit lists and rewards posted online. The Judge made it clear that organizing Terrorist acts against Americans is protected Free Speech, and even paying money to the Terrorists as a reward for their action. That was a conservative Judge's ruling concerning a Conservative Terrorist group's activities.
The issue involves the airwaves.
And I think that anything the right does is perfectly okay to be done against the right, especially if a Conservative Judge approves of it.
Amused, you on any hit lists yet? hehheheh.
EnderW @ 119:
EnderW, I don't think I was very clear, and that allowed you to misunderstand what I was saying. When I talked about the constitution and free speech in the post above, I was referring to people having the right to change parties before an election. I just don't see how an ideological pledge can be required before registering to vote in a particular party and have that requirement upheld constitutionally.
I was not saying that advocating terrorists acts is or should be protected as free speech (and actually find it hard to believe it is protected speech).
Again, can you provide a link to a news story on this ruling? Thank you.
EnderW @ 120:
Maybe a former girlfriend or two ....
Amused @ 121:
Well, maybe we can agree that anyone who wants to vote in a primary can vote in a primary, but to keep it honest, they give up rights to vote for another Party in the General Election by doing so, even Texas operates this way. That's why in Texas, the Republicans infiltrate the Democratic Precinct Convention afterwards, but vote Republican in the Primary itself. The way to put an end to that though is to require the Election officials to provide the Convener of the Convention with the sign-in book from the actual Primary, and have a credentials setup going. Reject Republicans at the door.
As far as my dealings with the FCC, thus far, in several hundreds of cases of complaints against Terrorists and those advocating Terrorism, I have yet to get them to agree to issue an AO based on what they say over the phone, and I have asked them to back that up with an AO repeatedly. Basically, they are all right wingers themselves who support Terrorism against Americans, and they will state their beliefs in private, while refusing to issue an AO. I have extensive documentation.
Like I said earlier, it took a Congressman to step in to deal with one guy threatening to blow up Federal Buildings. The FCC called it "Free Speech", right up to Mr. Sumner.
EnderW @ 123:
Oh, and more on that last bit. At that time the ARRL was no help either, as the district head of the ARRL actually supported the guy in question, and he himself then went on a rant on how Timothy McVeigh was a NATIONAL HERO against the "Clinton New World Order", and how David Koresh was the second coming of fucking Christ. Such thinking is rampant in the ARRL. I wouldn't recommend ham radio for anyone under the age of 18, it's not fit for children.
Not to even mention the fact that if they switched, to switch BACK to their ACTUAL party would PROVE their criminal intention in switching in the first place so they MUST vote AS Democrats in all future primaries until the smoke dies down and that might not be for years.............
SO WELCOME NEW DEMOCRATS.............AND THANKS RUSH!!
EnderW @ 100:
I'm glad to see some of us get it. Game theory proves you correct: you have to make sure people pay a price for trying to use bullying to beat someone else.
anneyhussein @ 28:
THERE is the answer. Once you get someone swearing he did it due to Rush - say, in exchange for immunity - you have the Oxymoron. String him up by the piloidinal cyst. Cuyahoga County doesn't need the FCC for this. Just a set of cojones and the will to use them.
EnderW @ 124:
I wouldn't use the word thinking, when the word believing is so much more apropos. Real thinkers are open to new beliefs, but 'true' believers would rather not think.
Listening to that Fat Turd should be A Criminal act.
Actually, once the November elections occur, one will be able to easily tell which Republicans were lying in the primaries, based on if these Republicans vote for McCain in November.
Now, I know a lady in Texas, who listens to Rush Limbaugh religiously, who must have heard Limbaugh wrong, because she told me that she was voting in the Texas primary for Barack Obama, but had no intention of voting for him in November if he won the Democratic nomination. She wasn't planning on voting in the Democratic primary because of "principles" or something silly like that, but she was planning on voting for Obama because of her dislike for Hillary Clinton.
This incident, therefore, made me wonder how many registered Republicans in open primary states crossed over to either vote for Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton? Were these Republicans contacted by anyone at the RNC or by state Republican officials, and given instructions about whom the Republicans preferred to run against in November? And, of course, there's Rush Limbaugh "endorsing" Hillary Clinton, which sounds so incongruous, I just wonder if some reverse psychology was being employed, with certain Republicans (like my friend from Texas) deciding to vote for anyone but Clinton, although other Republicans would have followed Limbaugh's suggestion and voted for her.
In other words, with so much evidence already available that a large number of registered Republicans have been crossing over to vote in Democratic Party primaries (with no intention of voting Democratic in November), the only goal must be to disrupt the democratic process in the Democratic primaries, in a nefarious attempt to skew the voting results, throwing the Democratic Party into disarray, drag the primaries out as long as possible on the Democratic Party side, in hopes of brewing even more discord between the Obama and Clinton camps, giving the Republicans (and McCain) a better chance of winning in November.
And then the conservative strategists throw into the electoral process the announcement that Ralph Nader is running again, a man who claims to be a consumer activist and great defender of consumers, but who over the past ten years has been one of the biggest contributors to totalitarian corporatism in our country, by his helping get the fascist George W. Bush elected twice. Nader, if he were a true patriot, would sit this one out, because, as we've seen in the past two presidential elections, a vote for Nader is actually a vote for the Republicans, which makes it damn difficult for any Democrat to win, even moderate to conservative Democrats like Obama and Clinton.
The bigger point that I think everyone is missing in this whole charade is how it exemplifies the lack of respect for the democratic process that the right has. There is no compromise to be made for other people's beliefs, only an incessant lust for power. Computerized voting machines, Political firings of attorneys, Cheyney's quote, "So?" when asked about the fact that Americans want out of Iraq. Democracy requires that you accept that your opinions may not be that of the majority and demands that you respect that and make the best of it. I plan on asking for a paper trail when I vote in November and if I don't see some proof that the vote I just made is the one that gets recorded, there will be a nice little peaceful scene created by me at my polling place. Democracy is a sham if you can't guarantee the logistics.
Either way, this is a lose/lose situation for the mighty Limbaugh.
1. They will find no voter fraud because no one actually followed Limbaughs advice and crossed over - in which case there is no doubt Hillary won Ohio without his help.
OR
2. His listeners DID commit voter fraud, and will face charges for it, and they all get to blame Rush.
I see no downside here.
nyguy @ 8:
You don't have to; there are plenty of sources of recorded records of the show you heard in on. Just name the day, date, approx time, and it can be tracked down quite easily. Of course, if you're just making all of this up, then it might be a little more difficult. So, put up or shut up.
@ 33 Darth_Romney Says:
This is why I was upset when Markos over at Daily Kos urged his readers in MI to vote for Mitt Romney! We tried this same shit and lost the moral high ground when we did!
I am so fucking sick and tired of this lame-ass EXCUSE for Rush Limpballs' latest FELONY. Texas and Ohio are "closed" primary states, hence why you need to fill out that form to certify a change of party. MI is an "open" primary state, where you DON'T HAVE TO FILL OUT JACK SHIT, YOU JUST ASK FOR THE BALLOT YOU WANT!
So to clarify for those of limited legal knowledge (and two-brain-cell types like repuglickens): What Rush Limbaugh did was a FELONY because he did it for TEXAS AND OHIO, what Markos and Rhodes did was LEGAL because they did it for MI.
So STOP parroting reich-wingnut lies, already!
And just think all of you Queen Hillary fans. This woman stood up to a mike before the entire world and talked about her huge win in Ohio and Texas as if she won it basted on votes she got from people who really love and support her, and that will be there for her in the general election, to help the Democrats win back the White House. She said that Obama could not win the big states, as a reason why Super Delegates should go against the voice of the people and through all of there support to her. What a joke.
The Florida and Michigan disaster, which was agreed to not count by Hillary as well as all the other candidates, who did the honorable thing and removed their names in the interest of following the rules, but not Queen Hillary, who not only left her name on the ballot, but have lied to us, when she claims to not have campaigned in Florida, when there is plenty evidence that she in fact did as she went through the disgusting motions of having this sick media photograph her coming off the airplane election night, with only one or two people meeting her and then showing up an hour later at a huge event in her honor, with thousands of supporters, including all the Congress Members, both National and State, who support her and by the way happen to be the very people the voters should be angry with for staging all this illegal mess, when they all knew it was flat out wrong. They all deserve to be reprimand for there devious actions, among other things. Not Howard Dean, who is doing his job and Senator Obama, who are both following the rules that 48 other states managed to do, but oh now Queen Hillary wants to change the rules to fix it for her to just slide in and take all the votes, never mind the poor people, they never mention, that were told they need not vote because it would not count. They are not considered as people who would also be disenfranchised , but just stupid because they did not support Queen Hillary.
If this is not evidence enough for many of you that are behind this woman because you really want to get rid of the kind of leadership that we have been tormented by in the last eight years. I don't understand what it is going to take to convince you.
She won the primary in Texas they said by a margin of 4% and the number of republicans that fraudulently voted on the democratic ticket to screw up our election, was a few more then the percentage they gave her, which means that she would not have won the primary at all. She would have lost to Senator Obama by about 4%
In addition to that mess. The Republicans voted in the primary, but failed to caucus for her, which is why it is that Obama beat her ass by 56%, where real Democrats that were willing to stay with the process for days if necessary, did so in numbers so huge, there was no way they would or could steal it. Made sure that the candidate those of us know should be the one we get behind, did not get slighted by the republicans. We owe these people a debt of gratitude for their outstanding accomplishment against the system.
And to make matters even much worse for Queen Hillary that as we can see, really will do anything to win, including screw over the entire Democratic party, is setting the party up for a major blow in the national election when these same Republican freaks that inserted themselves into our process, have now changed back to the Republican side and will not be voting for her or Obama in the national.
This is some incredible shit folks and if we lose this election because we continue to have some very stupid people in the democratic party, that are not paying attention to the fine print, but just voting on our emotions, is just incredible to say the least.
The good Gov. Richardson did not come out to through his support behind Senator Obama because he wants to be VP or anything like that, because he could have done the same thing for Hillary if that were the case.
Gov. Richardson is a true Democrat, who loves and honors the party and understands something that many of us are failing to see, and that is if we don't call an end to this mess, we have allowed the Republicans lead us into with Queen Hillary just hanging on for dear life, knowing there is no way she can pull this off, that we are going to allow our candidate of choice to go through all the hell they intend to take him through, while they get their candidate all polished and ready for all the attacks that we are allowing Queen Hillary to set him up for , when we hold all the winning cards our self.
Queen Hillary comes out on the talk circuit, daily and talks as if she and McCain are working together against the party and lately Bill Clinton has joined into the circus and we sit out here, helpless to do or say anything while they distract us with these chopped up videos, of a man that may have used some of the wrong dialog, but basically was telling a lot of the truth that may hurt, but only the ones that practice the kind of crap that he speaks of. They have and they continue to disgrace this country and they are doing it in all of our names.
The white people that disagree with much of what we are burdened with in today's media are speaking out all over the place and we are as proud as we should be, because of it because they are saying something to not only to black America, but to the entire world that they are not like the people we see spewed all over our air waves, both white and black, talking ignorant and stupid and making all of us look bad. We are are so much better then that and with this election, we are going to show the world that, that is a fact they can count on.
nyguy @ 3:
well.... maybe it's not the law in that said state???
Investigating people's motives for casting votes is a bad bad bad idea. If you're worried about last minute party changes then have an earlier registration deadline for changing party affiliation. But any kind of prosecution based on some sort of party loyalty test is stupid and dangerous.
nyguy @ 3:
Because that is Michigan. As the article stated, you have to sign a form in Ohio stating your conviction of support for that candidate. Lieing on the form is a crime IN OHIO.
Tim @ 138:
I don't believe they intend to question ALL voters who crossed over. Only the ones who gleefully stated that they did it because of Limbaugh's urging and to damage the democratic party's opportunity to bring an early end to the primaries and focus on John Mccain. They also have a strong case of a person using the public airways to ask people to break the law. Wouldn't you love to see this end up in front of the FCC?
As usual, nothing will become of Republican law breakers. If the situation were reversed, there would have been demands for investigations and consequences. It's a new world order now, different set of standards for different folks. We're no longer a nation of laws. There's a new sheriff in town.
Johnny @ 140:
We're still talking about political speech and as much as I hate Limbaugh, I don't think that the underlying statute is consititutional, so you shouldn't prosecute him for advocating it. We can have an early end to the primaries if one candidate concedes the nomination. Unless that candidate concedes as she should, we're effed.
Looks like the Liberals in Ohio are reaching for the Holy Grail
Thought Crime.
Thinking the wrong thoughts when you change parties will get you
Punished? Banished? Reeducated? Relocated?
The Oracle @ 130:
Umm, methinks you miss the point. November is too late.
Tim @ 142:
Mere advocating a criminal act is illegal. This is the basis of the Smith Act, and do you think the righties would repeal a law that they used against the Communists?
Red wigg, big rubber nose, white paint on his face, can't wait for fate to stick a finger in his eye! Tears of a clown. One day he will spray his own face with that seltzer bottle of bullshit and hate.
rocketwolf @ 143:
Actually, based on my research, the law was a Republican law, the Party of McCarthy.
mudshark @ 24:
Maybe you're thinking of Laura "the banshee" Ingraham. I heard her on-air in 2006 encouraging her dim-wit listeners to call the Democratic vote fraud hotline and jam their phones. That's got to be illegal. I doubt if anything was ever done.
Oh yeah, here it is:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/11/07/laura-ingrahams-attempt-to-jam-...
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