You have to give the man some credit for having one of the dorkiest mustaches in the history of modern civilization...

Check it out - your MSM hard at work, discussing the important issues of the day (and giving the Cheney some ideas at the same time...)

http://www.time.com/time/arts/article/0,8599,1725102,00.html?cnn=yes

This guy sounds like an A1 asshole to me...

Howie Kurtz is the thumb on the hand of the Rightwing Reacharound Robot.

-GSD

The point he may be trying to make with his 6 points is that slavery in the US could have been worse: that is true but so what?

Just another typical uneducated, biggoted, Reslug gnat.

I can never get tired of posting this article, "Why can't Seattle's foremost movie critic get any respect?" But I do disagree with the descriptive, 'foremost.'

Not only is he an A1 asshole, he's a big effin' whiner as well.

I'm sure all of his gay Reslug friends love his ugly mustach though.

Bud @ 2:

You have to give the man some credit for having one of the dorkiest mustaches in the history of modern civilization...

Check it out - your MSM hard at work, discussing the important issues of the day (and giving the Cheney some ideas at the same time...)

http://www.time.com/time/arts/article/0,8599,1725102,00.html?cnn=yes

I have a Cousin that looks like a cross between Medved and Richard Benjamin. and he is a dorkis as well. maybe it's the mustache? I couldn't see Medved or Howie Kurtz holdin anyones mud!

"3. Though brutal, slavery wasn’t genocidal: live slaves were valuable but dead captives brought no profit."

They were treated only a little better than LIVESTOCK!!!

There just isn't enough Raid in the entire world to get rid of the complete infestation of gnats in the media.

The Brits outlawed slavery in their own country in 1774, and in all their territories in 1833 with the Abolition of Slavery Act.

Kevin @ 4:

This guy sounds like an A1 asshole to me...

looks like one too.

Here ya go:

http://www.panzers.co.uk/i/sauce-image.jpg

It seems that we have been forced to limit the discourse to what is acceptable for a pastor to say to their congregation. This issue is about political correctness. Rightwing America has successfully defined for the American public what is acceptable free speech.

For those who are offended by Reverand Wright, when will the public-at-large formally reject and denounce the daily hate spewed by the rightwingers on radio and Fox Noise? Aren't these preachers of hate reaching far more people than the few thousand people in south Chicago? How dare our rightwingers expose their children to this hateful rhetoric? Will America hold John McCain accountable for cozying up to these Preachers Of Hate?

He'd have to meet one first.

Again I am stuck in the circular world of the pundit belief system. I have a real hard time believing that they believe 95% of the crap that spews from their collective mouths. If they do believe what they say then have a completely different understanding of reality than I am familiar with. If they don't believe what they say how can they live with them selves.

Nahhh it wasn't so bad... even the sail over to the New World was like a luxury cruise!!

From PBS :

The slaves were branded with hot irons and restrained with shackles. Their "living quarters" was often a deck within the ship that had less than five feet of headroom -- and throughout a large portion of the deck, sleeping shelves cut this limited amount of headroom in half. Lack of standing headroom was the least of the slaves' problems, though. With 300 to 400 people packed in a tiny area -- an area with little ventilation and, in some cases, not even enough space to place buckets for human waste -- disease was prevalent.

According to Equiano, "The closeness of the place, and the heat of the climate, added to the number in the ship, which was so crowded that each had scarcely room to turn himself, almost suffocated us. This produced copious perspirations, so that the air soon became unfit for respiration, from a variety of loathsome smells, and brought on a sickness among the slaves, of which many died."

And that was just the first leg of the Middle Passage... it only got better and better after that!! Woo hoo!

African Americans are so grateful their ancestors were brought over here in such luxury and comfort by such a caring crew of white folks. I'm sure Michael Medved is related to those who ran the slave ships.

The average American is getting disgusted by MSM. Faux News and CNN(Faux News Lite) are becoming parodies of true media. Endless pundits, fluff pieces and failing to report on real issues. The disparity of the rich and middle class. Iraq and Afghanistan. Wall Street manipulation. And all out greed. I will be in my garden all this summer. I can't take it anymore.

I'll take it as a given that Kurtz didn't bring up Robertson, Falwell, or Hagee and the whole "catholics/gays/chocolate ice cream" brought down God's anger on us in the form of AIDS, 9/11, katrina, and so on.

"Liberal media" at work.

Think Medved should read this book before spouting off again.
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/entertainment/reviews.nsf/book/story/52...

He wrote an op-ed for the opinionjournal.com about ten years ago that blamed the level of gun violence in America on Hollywood's glorification of violence.

Not on the number of guns on the street. It never dawned on him that everybody having guns could result in gun deaths. It's liberal Hollywood's fault, of course!

He's a fucking doooooooooooochebag, and his douchebaggery is nothing new. He' a conservative Catholic hack masquerading as a film critic.

Even if he believes what he is saying why the hell is he stupid enough to say it? What he is saying makes him sound like a man who is totally out of touch with the history of our country.

Trying to make slavery look less awful than it was is not the kind of talk Obama was speaking of when he said we need to talk about race and resentments on each side.

Besides, who died and made this movie critic an expert on the subject of slavery?

Sadly there are many more Medveds other here than we care to admit. They either clean up the truth about our history(lie) or they hide from it as if it didn't happen so they don't have to take in consideration any down line social or economic ramifications.

Who gives a better mustache ride, Stossel, or Medved?

mean steve @ 46:

Who gives a better mustache ride, Stossel, or Medved?

I really thought they were the same person for awhile. lol

casper46 @ 48:

mean steve @ 46:

Who gives a better mustache ride, Stossel, or Medved?

I really thought they were the same person for awhile. lol

NO one is a hollywood jackass and the other is a little bitch that'll run away crying if you slap him twice.

"They didn’t respond to it that way. If a white pastor had made the comments that Jeremiah Wright had made, people would have been equally indignant." Medved

"Horseshit" yellow dog

Liberal AND Proud @ 39:

So, being a mediocre movie critic qualifies you to be a credible political pundit. Nice.

In rightwing world, he is over qualified.

Who decided Medved's opinions were worth airtime?

Typical Gay White Person @ 53:

Here in the midwest, many people are having buyers remorse for voting for Obama. People don't want to be preached to. Nor do they want a President that they can not disagree with without being called a racist.

Obama seems to surround himself with bigots. That's not cool. No matter how you slice or dice it.

Sadly, this outrage will create an environment that will help John McCain become the next President.

While people on the east or west coast might understand the nuance of the Obama speech, many others do not.

That's because MOST people didn't even hear (or have the sense to research ) the speech. All they will hear is what MSM tells the sheeple.

Medved was the worst movie critic in the world. I didn't think he could sink any lower, but of course he proved me wrong. He is actually quite good at being the asslick dog of the GOP noise machine.

RayC Hussein @ 57:

Typical Gay White Person @ 53:

Here in the Midwest, many people are having buyers remorse for voting for Obama. People don't want to be preached to. Nor do they want a President that they can not disagree with without being called a racist.

Obama seems to surround himself with bigots. That's not cool. No matter how you slice or dice it.

Sadly, this outrage will create an environment that will help John McCain become the next President.

While people on the east or west coast might understand the nuance of the Obama speech, many others do not.

So what your saying is that all the people in the Midwest are backward stupid country folk that have a hard time understanding anything more than grunts and burps??

There's no shortage of that type anywhere. The good news is they were all voting repug from the get go so there's no loss there.

RayC Hussein @ 57:

Typical Gay White Person @ 53:

Here in the Midwest, many people are having buyers remorse for voting for Obama. People don't want to be preached to. Nor do they want a President that they can not disagree with without being called a racist.

Obama seems to surround himself with bigots. That's not cool. No matter how you slice or dice it.

Sadly, this outrage will create an environment that will help John McCain become the next President.

While people on the east or west coast might understand the nuance of the Obama speech, many others do not.

So what your saying is that all the people in the Midwest are backward stupid country folk that have a hard time understanding anything more than grunts and burps??

Hahahahahahahahaha......damn! Warn me next time!! Coffee is hot!

pitman @ 63:

What a wheelbarrow full of knee-jerk crap. Sorry, but American blacks do not have the patent on the horrific institution called slavery. I think empires like Rome and Greece did a pretty good job enslaving millions of whites too. As Marcus Rediker points out in arguably the finest book every written "The Slave Ship A Human History", the brutal enslavement of Africans to the Americas by specifically the English and the Dutch, would have been impossible to carry out if it were not for the complicity and participation of Africans themselves. Various warrior like tribes such as the Udu kidnapped, murdered and raped their own people to sell and bring them personally to the English and Dutch Commanders anchored off the coast of West Africa. In many cases the sailors of these ships were treated worse than the slaves themselves by the brutal and murderous slave Captains. I think that the nearly 700,000 Americans who died in our Civil War and the sacrifice of their families demonstrated that not all Americans would tolerate such a barbaric institution. Let's move on.

Sound argument. "But, but, but, other people did it too!!"

pitman @ 63:

What a wheelbarrow full of knee-jerk crap. Sorry, but American blacks do not have the patent on the horrific institution called slavery. I think empires like Rome and Greece did a pretty good job enslaving millions of whites too. As Marcus Rediker points out in arguably the finest book every written "The Slave Ship A Human History", the brutal enslavement of Africans to the Americas by specifically the English and the Dutch, would have been impossible to carry out if it were not for the complicity and participation of Africans themselves. Various warrior like tribes such as the Udu kidnapped, murdered and raped their own people to sell and bring them personally to the English and Dutch Commanders anchored off the coast of West Africa. In many cases the sailors of these ships were treated worse than the slaves themselves by the brutal and murderous slave Captains. I think that the nearly 700,000 Americans who died in our Civil War and the sacrifice of their families demonstrated that not all Americans would tolerate such a barbaric institution. Let's move on.

Interesting post. Most slavery apologists do not think the Civil War was about slavery.

P.D. @ 17:

I truly beleive we have fallen into the abyss. Our media is not to be trusted. The manipulation of MSM is rampant. everything favors Big business and big money. Meanwhile the dumbing down celebrity bull shit is numbing. We have a nation of no-nothing, selfish people.

That is why it is no longer the MSM, there is nothing mainstream about this monster. Just like you said they represent the corporations/big business not the mainstream. It is the corporate media all the time and any other opinions don't apply.

And yes, a nation of no nothing selfish people that also want everything for next to nothing. We have become a nation of drones.

See why CNN is the most trusted name in news?
They give equal time to both sides, Republicans and racists.

jimbo92107 @ 71:

See why CNN is the most trusted name in news?
They give equal time to both sides, Republicans and racists.

lol- nice one

There is not one point in Medved's screed which isn;t complete and utter bull$hit.

Reminds me of the same brilliant mindset of Barbara Bush when she made a comment re Katrina victims:
"This is working very well for them."

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_con...

it's not about race, it's about blackness...huh?! what a tool.

Wow. I don't know where to start. This guy is grasping to maintain his state of denial.

The only thing I can think of that wasn't already commented on is this:

4. It’s not true that the U.S. became a wealthy nation through the abuse of slave labor: the most prosperous states in the country were those that first freed their slaves.

If they weren't making money off Slavery in the South, then why did they spend so much money on slaves?

Jack @ 74:

I wonder what this fruitcake thinks about the Holocaust...

So true. When Jewish people get bat crazy at Holocaust deniers maybe they can imagine how we black folk feel when unqualified assholes like Medved spout off this mythical racist dumb shit.

1. Slavery was an ancient and universal institution, not a distinctively American innovation.

In 1860 approximately 15% (4 million) of the inhabitants of the U.S. were slaves, a number surpassed only by the Roman Empire.

2. Slavery existed only briefly, and in limited locales, in the history of
the republic - involving only a tiny percentage of the ancestors of today’s Americans.

The first slaves arrived in Virginia in 1619. The overwhelming majority of African Americans and Africans living anywhere in the Americas are the descendants of slaves.

3. Though brutal, slavery wasn’t genocidal: live slaves were valuable but dead captives brought no profit.

Slave trader accounts and records assert that approximately 20% of kidnapped Africans (a number near 2 million) did not survive the Middle Passage voyage to the Americas.

4. it’s not true that the U.S. became a wealthy nation through the abuse of slave labor: the most prosperous states in the country were those that first freed their slaves.

American slavery predominately served to create wealth for the nation’s plantation aristocracy, tying up their capital and retarding the development of other economic activity. The South's insistence on spreading this inefficient form of economic feudalism to the West was the primary cause of the Civil War.

5. While America deserves no unique blame for the existence of slavery, the United States merits special credit for its rapid abolition.

The dates from 1619-1865 encompass 146 years plus 100 more years of Jim Crow.

6. There is no reason to believe that today’s African Americans would be better off if their ancestors had remained behind in Africa.

Nor is their reason to believe they wouldn’t be better off. Between 9 and 12 million people were kidnapped from their homes in Africa and shipped to the Americas between the 16th to the 19th Centuries. Neither they nor the ones they left behind were better off for it.

This clown sounds exactly like that Racist Dinesh D'souza.

Andrew @ 77:

Reminds me of the same brilliant mindset of Barbara Bush when she made a comment re Katrina victims:
"This is working very well for them."

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001054719

So true...this woman is filled with hatred. George W. is truly his mother's son.

John Tulin @ 82:

Enough of his facial hair and wishing he had cancer, stop embarrassing yourselves. And the fact remains, points 1, 2 and 3 (of his, on slavery) are in fact true statements. Anyone who denies that is as big a fool as anyone who tries to defend points 4, 5 or 6!

Sorry Dad.

I've heard the same kind of remarks made by toothless meth addicts.

Someone out to tear this man down and put up a human being...

pitman @ 63:

What a wheelbarrow full of knee-jerk crap. Sorry, but American blacks do not have the patent on the horrific institution called slavery. I think empires like Rome and Greece did a pretty good job enslaving millions of whites too. As Marcus Rediker points out in arguably the finest book every written "The Slave Ship A Human History", the brutal enslavement of Africans to the Americas by specifically the English and the Dutch, would have been impossible to carry out if it were not for the complicity and participation of Africans themselves. Various warrior like tribes such as the Udu kidnapped, murdered and raped their own people to sell and bring them personally to the English and Dutch Commanders anchored off the coast of West Africa. In many cases the sailors of these ships were treated worse than the slaves themselves by the brutal and murderous slave Captains. I think that the nearly 700,000 Americans who died in our Civil War and the sacrifice of their families demonstrated that not all Americans would tolerate such a barbaric institution. Let's move on.

I haven't read the rest of the comments but I guess we'll see "off with his" for daring to offer a different perspective.

You can't get any closer to genocide than slavery. Just take a look at the life expectancy statistics for a slave. Disease, caused by slavery, wiped out so many people...it might as well be called genocide.

abarts @ 92:

Africans sold THEIR OWN to the Dutch into slavery. The White Europeans brought them to America. America ended slavery, at least in this country.

yeah i never hear anyone condem the black kings for sellng thier own race into slavery for profit!!! mostly bugs!

abarts @ 92:

Africans sold THEIR OWN to the Dutch into slavery. The White Europeans brought them to America. America ended slavery, at least in this country.

Good to know we're better than the Dutch of the old world. I guess your kind will be one notch up on the 9 circles of hell.

Slavery wasn't so bad? I beg to differ. I recently learned from a Ken Burns documentary on Lewis & Clark's discovery of the Pacific Northwest that Capt. I was saddened to learn Clark (who had a large number of slaves) had refused freedom to a particularly important slave who had accompanied him on his voyage west. Everyone who had accompanied Capt. Clark on his voyage was awarded 350 acres of land by President Jefferson. The slave was rewarded with a safe return back to being a slave for Capt. Clark. Capt. Clark complained to Merriweather Lewis that this slave had become insolent and angry, acting high and mighty, believing that he was entitled to special treatment for his courage and bravery for accompanying him out west.

So, that's not mis-treatment of a slave?

abob @ 102:

Medved's viewpoint on black slavery in the US has historical validity. Black Americans enjoy annual spending power of $700 billion. If Blacks in America were a separate nation they would be one of the world's richest and by far the wealthiest black nation on earth. The forced Diaspora of slaves to the United States turned out to be fortuitous for the generations of their black descendants. American Blacks current standard of living is light-years beyond that of their counterparts on the African continent. Black Africans are desperate to emigrate to the US.

How ridiculous. It's like saying, "Well, thank God I got hit by that truck that killed my family last year, otherwise I wouldn't have been able to sue for millions of dollars; and look where that's gotten me! Woohoo! I'm rich! My family may be obliterated, but at least I'm doing better than the guy next to me still driving an'84 Volvo! Haha."

I remember watching this guy on the tube a few years back, debating another guy about how Hollywood is just so darned politically correct, going out of its way not to depict all terrorists as Arabs. And I thought to myself, he really should brush up on his history of the origins of Middle East terrorism/the founding of Israel, you know, Irgun, Stern Gang, the King David Hotel bombing, Deir Yassin, etc. Or, for that matter, the facts surrounding the 1993 WTC attack (FBI’s proven involvement), Oklahoma City, and—well, can’t talk about that one here.

But now I see he’s also a fountain of disformation on slavery. I wanted to link a Google video of a lecture by a South African historian tracing the roots of slavery to Judaic sacred texts, but—well, look!—it’s not there anymore.

Once again another white guy(Pat Buck also in that boat) pontificating on minorities issues. If I ever see Medved I will punch him in the face. No correction I have seen him speak I will probably slap the sissy.

The historical timeline of Black progress in America is muti-faceted and can be interpreted from many angles. For example: My wife is pretty annoying at times. Would I welcome the prospect of her getting killed by a rich drunk driver who ended up paying me tens of millions in compensation to settle a civil suit? I'm thinking. I'm thinking. OK, maybe not; but it aint a cut & dried decision.

<..and the beat goes on. they continue to sing the same song, same lyrics, the black as well as other minorities in this country have had it so good for so long. what the heck are they complaining about. they just need to pull themselves up by the bootstraps just like the rest of us. all we need now is the story of "my grandfather came over at the turn of the century with no english and no money and look at us today. They can do the same." right! time to start calling them what they are. I used to give them the benefit of the doubt because they must be educated. But i've found that just because a person has schooling, it doesn't make him wise. conservatives know only one thing: personal wealth. everyone else can go to he double l.

The part of his piece that I do agree with is that Obama's speech was a let's change the subject speech. There have been plenty of opportunities for Obama to give a speech like the one he gave, but he didn't. It was another cover Obama's butt moment.

Ok,for the record I HATE michael medved; but bigots like this sucker get their foot in the door using bits of history that get no exposure. The Rev Wright's anger of the history is warrented, but he gives only part of the story. Fact: The 13 orginial colonies took in and sold slaves as did the United States did later; indentured servants were also taken in with some tragic stories also. But South America and Central America took in more slaves than North America. This is no way excuses the history of what happened here. Second, more enslaved Africans were marched east to Muslim countries that sailed the Atlantic. Also North African slavers captured millions of Europeans from Italy to Ireland; these were from sea side villages and sailors. Thomas Jefferson sent the Marines to kick butt at Tripoli to prevent American sailors from being grabbed and sold into slavery. America will always have to keep paying a high price for her sins; but America did not invent the practice. The Rev Wrights of the world give asses like Medved traction in their arguments, cause the larger story is not told. The Rev Wright had the Romans enslaving the Jewish people(therefore white folk); when it was actually the North African Egyptians that enslaved the Jewish people; Rome merely conquered and ruled them. History is not our enemy; but distortion can be.

abob @ 117:

I love Medved because he is consistent. He is sick and tired of Blacks harping on slavery and he is equally disgusted with his fellow Jews who keep dwelling on the Holocaust, Medved insists it is high time that both ethnic groups move on and stop re-living the past. The progress of Jews and Blacks in the United States, the greatest country on God's green earth, has been nothing short of spectacular. It serves no purpose for misery pimps to keep pretending we are still stuck in the 1930s. Medved is a Mench,

that mensch aligns himself with daniel (the pig) lapin

nice of medved to say that jews should get over the holocaust and blacks should get over slavery

how many of his family died in the holocaust?

and every year, he and other jews relive the slavery of egypt....we still havent gotten over it....nor are we allowed to...it is what makes us the jewish people

his thoughts on religion are perverse...which makes sense, because it seems that the only person he has ever learned with is daniel (the pig) lapin

note that lapin never speaks to jewish groups...they wont have him....but christians love that pig

Michael Meved has a long list of prominent Blacks who endorse, co-sign, validate and agree with his political and social viewpoints. Among his many Black defenders are Shelby Steele, Larry Elder, Niger Ennis, Roy Ennis, Ward Connerly, Ken Hamblin, Walter E. Williams, Rod Paige, J.C. Watts, Angela McGlowan, Thomas Sowell, Sophia A. Nelson, Deroy Murdock, Lynn Swann and Ezola Foster. Medved enjoys street cred in the conservative black community.

Hmm, Medved, Kurtz running down Barack HUSSEIN Obama. Who'da thought?

5. While America deserves no unique blame for the existence of slavery, the United States merits special credit for its rapid abolition.

the USA freed slaves when? 1865? and mexico when? 1814? okay, just checkin'.

Barack has to answer vis-a-vis Wright. Then get back on track. And by the way that's a preacher or Minister, not a Reverend. What about Insane John McCain? Why has the media failed to get their hands on some of the lunacy from Hagee and that slick piece of shit Rod Parlsely? Another pass for the senile ole former flyboy?

Captain Hussein Kangaroo @ 127:

I could very easily make a case that Medved is retarded.

What offense have retarded people committed against you that you would so insult them?

Medved is so full of shite.
His absurd comment #5 that the U.S of A. brought about a swift end to slavery will not go unchallenged here.
The Fugitive Slave Law in 1793 revised in 1850 allowed Southern slave owners to recapture their "property" and return that "property" to the slave owners custody. We need to give Canada much deserved credit for allowing Fugitive Slaves into their territory. The U.S. did not abolish the Fugitive Slave law until June 1864. We need to acknowledge Canada for their help in ending slavery as well as Methodist and Unitarians Liberals in Massachusetts for helping those Fugitive Slaves escape the hell of human bondage.
Former Slaves were not allowed citizenship until the 14th Amendment in 1868, and it was not until 1870 that the 15th Amendment gave former slaves the right to vote. Unfortunately it was not until the Voting Rights Act of 1965 that the last of the Jim Crow discrimination laws were abolished.....only 43 years ago.
Certainly even a dickweed like Medved should recognize that market forces drove the exportation of slaves out of Africa to the British Colonies. As long as North Americans were buying the exports would continue. WE drove the market, Medved, you can't just casually disregard that fact.
In order to buy into this guilt free version of American Exceptionalism you have to disregard so many historical facts that you have to disregard history itself.

Medved is not trying to justify, rationalize or mitigate slavery. Medved is simply putting slavery into historical perspective. Slavery is not uniquely American. The history of mankind is the history of slavery. Black slavery in the United States ended at the cost of 600,00 lives. Almost all of the dead were white men. Black slavery exists today in Africa; almost 150 years after it ended in the United States. Slavery is not a uniquely white institution. The brutality, savagery and merciless atrocities blacks have historically inflicted on each other makes white oppression look like a stroll through Disneyland.

abob @ 103:

Medved's viewpoint on black slavery in the US has historical validity. Black Americans enjoy annual spending power of $700 billion. If Blacks in America were a separate nation they would be one of the world's richest and by far the wealthiest black nation on earth. The forced Diaspora of slaves to the United States turned out to be fortuitous for the generations of their black descendants. American Blacks current standard of living is light-years beyond that of their counterparts on the African continent. Black Africans are desperate to emigrate to the US.

And all it took was the rape of their women. The enslavement and humiliation of men. The stealing and sale of their children. The brutality, torture, disease, and murder of generations.

Not to mention the fact that a slave could get killed for READING. There were lynchings, hangings, whippings and worse done black men and women.

Only an evil man would think that it's a good thing that was done to them.

Maybe it should be done to your family. Then you can tell us how you feel.

You're an animal. A subhuman. Someone like you should be rejected from the human race.

Medved, being a conservative, can't help being odious. But I would advise liberals to temper the uniform revulsion they feel for all conservatives. Having listened to Medved, he more frequently than any other radio host, generally draws callers back to facts, he allows opposition calls, and if I recall correctly he just said positive stuff in defense of Obama last week. He also has Conspiracy Day on his show, where you can call in and voice any suspicion that the governement is secrety working against us.

Another conservative radio host Mike Gallagher or Dennis Praeger warned his listeners, last week, not to gloat or play holier-than thou about Elliot Spitzer because as he said, he had 6 words fo his listeners to consider, "Larry Craig, David Vitter, Mark Foley." Even Bill O'Reilley, douchebag extraodinaire, has moments of moderation (on his radio show, not on TV). Conservatives are actively destroying this country, but occasionally they say moderate things.

Save your real vitriol for unredeemable assholes like Ann Coulter, Michael Reagan, Michael Savage. And most of it for Bush and Cheney.

Though brutal, slavery wasn’t genocidal: live slaves were valuable but dead captives brought no profit.”

Has this idiot ever heard of slave ships, with their mortality rate of one third of their passengers? How many hundreds of thousands died while being captured and transported to their cruel destinations. When you make such a stupid assertion about a topic like this, you add to the cruelty of slavery. Well done sir!

In the 20th Century alone:

Gen Yakubu Gowon massacres in Biafra...1 million
Hutu massacre of Tutsi in Rwanda...1.3 million
Idi Amin massacre of Ugandans...500,000
Somalia massacres...400,000

The death toll is tripled when you add all the wholesale slaughter of blacks by blacks in liberia, zambia, angola, luanda, darfur, eritria, ethiopia, mozambique and congo. Perspective and historical context is crucial for those who seek the truth.

abob @ 145:

In the 20th Century alone:

Gen Yakubu Gowon massacres in Biafra...1 million
Hutu massacre of Tutsi in Rwanda...1.3 million
Idi Amin massacre of Ugandans...500,000
Somalia massacres...400,000

The death toll is tripled when you add all the wholesale slaughter of blacks by blacks in liberia, zambia, angola, luanda, darfur, eritria, ethiopia, mozambique and congo. Perspective and historical context is crucial for those who seek the truth.

Go back and read Medveds dumb ass article, then tell me what your post has to do with this thread.

abob @ 117:

I love Medved because he is consistent. He is sick and tired of Blacks harping on slavery and he is equally disgusted with his fellow Jews who keep dwelling on the Holocaust, Medved insists it is high time that both ethnic groups move on and stop re-living the past. The progress of Jews and Blacks in the United States, the greatest country on God's green earth, has been nothing short of spectacular. It serves no purpose for misery pimps to keep pretending we are still stuck in the 1930s. Medved is a Mench,

Reliving past tragedies & death is only annoying when it reminds the dominant culture that neither they, nor their ancestors ARE as innocent as they want to believe.

Slavery wasn't isolated in this country! The Laws of Manumission were enacted by the government nationwide and very few refused to disobey the law and many more profited. Freed Africans in the North were brutally and deceitfully shipped to the south even if they'd never been slaves because some Northern Yankee could make a buck from a Southern slave bounty hunter, get rid of business competition or take over land.

Insurance companies profited from the insured 'cargo' that were living, breathing, kidnapped Africans.

Ship buildiers & sail makers prospered handsomely from making the necessary equipment to bring the live 'cargo' into the states.

The White House was partly built using slave labor. The majority of America participated in slavery; it was sanctioned by this nation of laws.

Not only that, after slavery was abolished, my ancestors were forced into a not so different bondage that legally allowed white people to physically 'punish' them for any arbitrary transgression on the job. Then there was the practically fruitless effort of sharecropping that saw most cheated out of their rightful wages! Oh' and later there were the many incidents of white mobs lynching men & even pregnant women to run Blacks out of their town. Try reading the James Loewen book, Sundown Towns: A Hidden Dimension of Racism. You might live in one of those towns, which would explain your incredible pride in being so ignorant.

You're only convincing yourself of your lies. Other people know better.

Left&Left @ 149:

abob @ 137:

Medved is not trying to justify, rationalize or mitigate slavery. Medved is simply putting slavery into historical perspective. Slavery is not uniquely American. The history of mankind is the history of slavery. Black slavery in the United States ended at the cost of 600,00 lives. Almost all of the dead were white men. Black slavery exists today in Africa; almost 150 years after it ended in the United States. Slavery is not a uniquely white institution. The brutality, savagery and merciless atrocities blacks have historically inflicted on each other makes white oppression look like a stroll through Disneyland.

Just like Medved, ignorant white fucks like you Abob have zero right or credibility to discuss our issues. In fact, if race relations required a grade, stupid ass crackers like you Abob would get a fucking "f-" you idiotic mother fucker!

When I hear totally unqualified, uneducated white cocksuckers like your dumb ass trying to explain the "black man's plight from your white perspective, I want to vomit. You don't know shit Abob. So STFU!!
[Stop with the racial slurs....and stop being so abusive...Site Monitor.]