About that flag-pin question...
By Steve Benen Thursday Apr 17, 2008 8:00pmOne more thing about Wednesday night's Democratic debate and then I'll let it go. Determining which of the discussion topics was the most inane is tricky, but I'd have to go with the flag lapel-pin question.
Early on in the debate, Charlie Gibson said he wanted to offer a question that "goes to the basic issue of electability." Gibson said, "[I]t is a question raised by a voter in Latrobe, Pennsylvania, a woman by the name of Nash McCabe." From videotape, McCabe then asked Obama if he "believe[s] in" the American flag, and why he doesn't "wear the flag."
For ABC, this offers a little distance from the trivia -- the moderators didn't ask about lapel pins, some regular ol' person did. I had assumed that ABC went around western Pennsylvania, looking for voters with good questions, and thought McCabe's was provocative.
But that's not quite what happened -- ABC appears to have sought McCabe out.
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Given Gibson's FALSE statement about capital gains tax cuts causing increase in revenue, someone MIGHT think Mr. Gibson was a little biased in his moderation when you add this little tidbit in. Add in Stephonopolous' former positions and the dynamic of the whole debate its easy to see how someone might come to the conclusion that these two chuckleheads had an agenda.
Why hasn't anyone but Keith Olbermann posted that audio of Stephanlpolus dictating the Ayers question from Sean Hannity on Hannity's radio show?
I'm watching Dan Abrams and they say they have a audio tape of Hillary Clinton attacking MoveOn.org for bullying her supporters. Is this true?
I'm a member of MoveOn and I signed the ABC petition, but to say that the left-wing of the Democratic Party is against her will become a self-fulfilling prophecy! How in the hell will she win in November if she doesn't have the extreme left-wing to combat the extreme Right-wing?
All of this is getting surreal.
My letter to Charly and George,
Word has it that Hillary Clinton was tape recorded in a closed meeting slaming Move On Dot Org.
Anyone else hear this?
i wish i was officially working for the obama campaign.
all he had to say was, "don't you know those things are made in china?"
DEBATE OVER.
i'm confused. i don't think i've ever seen Mrs. Clinton wearing a flap lapel pin or flag brooch. Is she electable?
The debate was a farce, but it has shown the average Americans what a worthless medium are so-called news, really is. The fact people were booing isn't lost on many of the execs. Americans are waking up out of the nightmare that the media and Bush have lain at our feet. Lets hope they are smart enough to not vote for McCain.
bullfrog @ 5:
Not all of them, the magnets supporting the troops certainly are.
xoites defends Constitution @ 4:
no, but i heard she was recorded in a private session bilking stan lee. VERY big mistake. peter paul trial opens a week from today.
you do not fuck with stan lee. he's dr. strange, j. jonah jameson and the silver surfer all rolled into one.
a mystic with the power of the press at his fingertips, not to mention the power cosmic.
EXCELSIOR!!
'nuff said.
Ok, HuffPo is reporting it now that Hillary is essentially attacking MoveOn.org and their supporters.
Wow, I have the feeling she might pull a Joe Lieberman if she doesn't win the nomination. Instead of going to the Republican side, she'll just try to split the Democratic Party in half. That would be perfectly fine by me. I'd love to have a Progressive Party with people like Obama, Feingold and Hagel. She can have the Reagan Democrats who constantly vote against their self-interests anyway which empowers the Conservative movement and drags the entire party down.
Deep Thought for the Day:
How come we never hear a question to a Republican defended with the rationale that it will be used against him by the Democrats?
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xoites defends Constitution @ 4:
Here it is: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/celeste-fremon/clinton-slams-democratic_b_...
Will Bunch:
Too true.
The last person i would ever vote for for President is the person who drapes him or herself in the American Flag. Also the last person i would invite to dinner, carpool with or have sex with.
"Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel."
Samuel Johnson
Back in 2003, I got only over-the-air television. ABC was the network that was most actively promoting the war, with their news coverage morphing into marketing the war. So, they embrace the neocon middle-east agenda, and share ownership in the disastrous results.
So, as Obama pointed out, the strategy is to raise secondary issues, as the GOP did in 2004, with the Kerry/Vietnam issue.
We need to focus on bad judgment leading to the war, bad economic "borrow and spend" policies leading to the current weak dollar and corresponding inflation, and the fact that the GOP hasn't had any health care policies designed to help the average American.
Filthy Harry @ 12:
Well there it is, she opposses the left. No wonder she praises John McCain. They are in the same Political Party.
Oh and by the way beer isn't food.
L.A. Confidential @ 17:
It is if it is well brewed. You can actually live on most micro brews. You just won't know why.
L.A. Confidential @ 17:
But it's one hell of a substitute. ;-)
Are you guys planning on getting smashed? If so, I would like to join you.
xoites defends Constitution @ 18:
LOL you and Keith Richards are a pair.
P.D. @ 20:
I quit drinking 18 years ago.
Still have a hangover though.
L.A. Confidential @ 21:
I thought his theory had something to do with heroin.
L.A. Confidential @ 17:
Now,LA You know that's not true. There is food in the beer But no beer in the food.
L.A. Confidential @ 17:
You must have never been to Milwaukee?
xoites defends Constitution @ 23:
Beer and Heroin. I suppose that could be considered a rockers eggs and bacon.
xoites defends Constitution @ 8:
it doesn't matter if it's 100 % factually accurate, it's a zinger that would instantly resonate across america -and get obama endless press coverage.
P.D. @ 20:
After all this lunacy can You blame US? Welcome.
Mister Anderson @ 25:
Do they make beer in Milwaukee? Milwaukee's Best ain't exactly beer.
Yeah LA, Hopefully the hang-over will end in November. If McCain is elected, I'll probably wil move to Canada. If I have the money, that is.
Mister Anderson @ 25:
Oh yeah I have. Milwaukees best used to be my favorite cheap beer.
Mister Anderson @ 2:
Just finding out how deep the rabbit hole goes, eh Mr. Anderson?
The beer is on me (whenever i spill it.)
P.D. @ 30:
I drink water now. It's the most affordable beverage anymore.
I loved Shlitz myself.
David Hawes @ 35:
Good ol' Shlitz. Okay stop it now your making me think of ICE COLD beer.
David Hawes @ 28:
As both and American and a barkeep, I not only don't blame ya, I welcome ya.
Remember to tip your waitstaff!
That delicious, icy cold, tingly, thirst quenching . . . . .
Oh boy
L.A. Confidential @ 36:
Yep ICE COLD right out of a cooler that froze your hand. MMMMM.
Jimmi the Grey @ 37:
It is bad luck not to tip and make it at LEAST 20%. Most people who work for tips get a very low (below minimum wage) hourly rate.
La, Don't cave in. I'll do the drinking for the both of us!
Obama should not succumb to the pressure. He should not wear a flag pin.
If he does, it will show those whiners that not only does their nonsense count and that their trivial BS matters, but that Obama is willing to bend over backwards to satisfy their inane flag pin issue.
Let's not reduce the political dialog in this country to flag pins. It's ridiculous and immature as it is. Other countries with a more educated electorate must be feeling really sorry for the US these days.
L.A. Confidential @ 34:
P.D. @ 41:
Sounds good to me.
xoites defends Constitution @ 40:
Mate @ 42:
I think that is why we have elevated it to beer.
Jimmi the Grey @ 32:
Of Course. I'm digging to China, but being that they control much of our national debt including this war being fought on a credit card, I fear that I'm already there!
David Hawes @ 45:
I always rewarded the barkeep and barmisses. You get good service-it's a fine barter system
Mate @ 42:
Has anyone noticed that any time Obama is asked the flag pin question, the questioner or any of his opponents that attack him for it are not wearing one either? Seriously, when is the last time someone has attacked Obama about wearing a flag pin while wearing a flag pin?
Because there are two kinds of patriotism, one unites a nation in a common purpose representing who we are in that effort. The other divides and separates us from the world falsely inflating our stature. Bush divided this nation with divisive patriotism and used the flag as a symbolic sword to separate those who are with him or against him. I wouldn’t wear one either if pressed by neo-con challenging my patriotism knowing good and well what Bush has done to the world and this nation.
xoites defends Constitution @ 46:
Exactly. Most of those flag lapel pins, the flag falls out of the clamp anyway within a couple days of use.
Mister Anderson @ 47:
who cares as long as they keep serving up that yummy lo mein!
and that confucious sur is one smart fller, eh? i hear he writes ALL the fortune cookies!
JOHN MCCAIN '08. LET'S WIN THE WAR ON TERRA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Did that hillbilly bitch from Bumfuck, PA have her flag lapel pin on? Why not does she hate the flag?
Does she have a flag tatooed anywhere on her fat ass? Why not if she loves the flag?
Enough with the flag pin. He's running for president of the United States. That's patriotic. Do we need to gild the lily?
*sure
xoites defends Constitution @ 40:
Here in Oregon, we get at least minimum (I'm actually making slightly more) hourly + tips. But we have somewhat progressive labor laws here...which is yet another reason business are packing up shop and moving to states that will bend more (read 'over').
Oh, and I don't have to wear a lapel flag pin either. (how's that for bringin it back OT???)
*sure is one smart feller
(sorry, long week at work)
David Hawes @ 48:
The word TIP comes from T.I.P.S. (To Ensure Prompt Service). Most people have never even heard of this.
Sheet,boyz Talking about beer is better than anything else We been subjected to,lately.
in essence, ABC concocted this story for ratings and for the almighty dollar. unfortunately the woman became a pawn in the game they play and as sad as her story is, she has chosen to focus in on a lapel pin. this is the ignorance that the democratic party is up against. these people will cling to their all-american ideals no matter what kinds of facts are brought to bear. To win this election, a way must be sought to win over the great mass of ignorant voting americans out there. my only thought is, is the winning back of america worth the price we're going to have to pay, to grovel and cater to that slice of america that claims bush as their own. personally, i say stick with the ideals and if they come along then so be it. if not, let the devastation of this country be their legacy. too ignorant to see that which is set out before them.
what abc did was what all of the networks have done. they have resorted to the foulest form of dishonesty. yet, one might ask, who will know it other than those who read and write for liberal blogs. again, a classic case of preaching to the choir.
In my mind the search for and use of Nash is damning. It shows premeditation to an attempt to destroy Obama. It is supposed to look like: we searched through numerous "man on the street clips and chose this. Bullshit. They searched for an known entity and added impact to a lightweight smear. I'm beyond caring about who motivated this. I would not be surprised by any of the three obvious answers; Clinton, GOP, or upper Disney management.
In a sense I think it backfired. Obama seems to be surviving it nicely and may well be able to ride a MSM bashing to a healthy bump.
George gets McCain this weekend. I want to see the same tough National Inquirer standards for that crusty zombie.
My fantasy was that Obama's answer would be "Mrs. McCabe, I couldn't help but notice that at the time you were videotaped asking your question, you weren't wearning an American flag pin either. Nor were you wearing red, white and blue clothing, or any other overt symbol of American patriotism. Yet by your actions, by participating as a citizen questioner in this important debate, you let your actions speak for themselves. Please try to understand, as a deeply and sincerely patriotic person, that you and I just might have more in common than you have assumed, based on my choice of jewelry or lack of it, based on my racial and ethnic background, or based on any other visual superficiality -- or God forbid, based on some viral email you've received about my patriotism. Please think about my words, and I'm gonna give the ABC people a direct line you can call to reach me in a few days, to tell me your thoughts about this. I want to hear from you personally, and if you'd like we can have a private conversation about our patriotism, yours and mine. No TV and no press. I'd appreciate that very much."
Although I am not an Obamaton I will say this about that pin flap. At the age of 54 I remember what it was like growing up here in this country and it wasn't pretty. I can't speak for all black folks, but I am not a flag waving, pin wearing person because I was never allowed or encouraged to be. As far as I'm concerned my little 10 year old personage was the most hated thing in this country, unwanted as a citizen and often told so, even to my face. I knew whites hated me and I knew why. Not only were they forced to end slavery, but they were also forced to face what they had done to a whole race of people. Do I love my country any less? No, and probably more than most whites. I might be dead now because of what European whites have done to Africans on the continent. A flag pin? What does that signify? The flag? It's a nice symbol which has been trampled upon by whites for generations now in the name of who knows what, brought low and sullied. The Constitution? Now that's the ticket. Lol. I'm hated in that document too, aren't I? But no matter, I still love it for its' meaning and the fact that it is one of the most perfectly written documents on earth. No, I don't wave no flag and I don't wear no pin, but I do love my country, in spite of itself.
xoites defends Constitution @ 58:
Thanx X. I learned something today in spite of myself.
randy @ 54:
Are you serious? People raise millions of dollars and campaign for 16 hours a day for months at a time to win elected office because they HATE this country. I can't give you one actual example, but by judging by the direction we're headed, I can only assume most politicians hate this country to do what they do to it.
We are under a very controlled media in this country. If this doesn't make you question the "official" stories of such controversial events as the beginning of this war etc. I don't know what will. Air America's Richard Greene is fleshing out some of the problems though.
www.AirAmerica.com
Ruthless People, That bitch has no idea about patriotism. She probably has a big flag on her lawn, watches Faux News, and calls herself informed. These people wont wake up until they lose evrything. Ignorant fools, all of them.
Jazzylady @ 63:
Absolutely. In fact if confronted by someone in a suit with a flag pin, I check my wallet and the wherabouts of the neighborhood kids.
no longer a proud american @ 60:
No, of course not. We need to elevate the conversation and win people over with logic and common sense, common purpose and common goals.
Mister Anderson @ 65:
No,sweetpea. they LOVE this country as it is Now. They LOVE the money they rake in.
Wearing red, white and blue doesn't make you patriotic, it makes you Bozo the Clown.
speakin' o' patriotics...
OPEN LETTER TO DE FACTO U.S. PRESIDENT MICHAEL CHERTOFF
dear sir,
please don't bomb iran.
persians are people, too, don'cha know?
your pal,
bullfrog
xoites defends Constitution @ 4:
Yes,the story is over on HuffPo.
David Hawes @ 64:
I have been reading your comments since you have been here. I sincerely doubt you stand in your own way of your continuing education.
xoites defends Constitution @ 74:
Thanx. Not foolin You,huh? It's my self-deprecating humor as a means to stay sane.
xoites defends Constitution @ 14:
"Making a copy of a book is like fixing wheels to a tomato. Time consuming, and completely unnecessary."
Samuel Johnson
VegasRage @ 50:
The flag has lost its original meaning and no longer includes the values of all the people. It is entirely the province of Christian fundamentalists, neocons, super-nationalists, and war-mongers.
It has morphed into the mottled image of its corporate owners; a ruddy, savage emblem of marching armies, windowless jail cells, and sneering, well-groomed men in blue suits.
The flag has fallen from its once lofty perch and merged with the sludge of corporate profiteering, calculated sadism and pre-emptive war.
David Hawes @ 64:
Me too, and it's directly related to my livelyhood! w00t!
You rock Xoites. I owe you a beer. Just stop by the Pub here in Oregon City to collect ;)
Starting on 9/11 I flew my flag from my house every day but stopped a little over a year later because too many neighbors either accused me of being a republican or just assumed it. I felt offended by some of the comments, so I stopped. Now it only flies on certan days appropriate for display. I have since come to believe that republicans have hijacked the flag, just like they made 'liberal' a dirty word without acknowledging that liberals have done more to make America great. All the Reagan-Bushes have ever done is harm the country.
Here's one - COP stands fro 'constible on patrol'
crazylikeafox @ 3:
I think the technical term for what the United States has turned into is PLUTOCRACY, not oligarchy. We should start using that word, since it's much more accurate. Plutocracy: Government by, and for the benifit of a handful of rich people.
How bout American Beauty Beer. In a can painted like a flag.
Probably get rich.
L.A. Confidential @ 77:
I was thinking about a great name for a rock band: The Raggedy Assed Filthy Dirty American Flags.
Because you see them everywhere. Nobody respects the flag anymore. They just use and abuse it.
ronhohn @ 79:
So mess with your neighbors by ALSO putting out lawn signs for your choice of Democratic/Independent candidates for Federal, State, County and City offices. Could actually start some really healthy communication on your block (or even from people strolling thru the 'hood on a sunny Sunday).Green slogans/signboards also would work wonderfully.
Keep 'em guessing, they just might ask!
master mediator muthafucka
MARTIN LUTHER
ALBRECHT DURER
ADAM WEISHAUPT
MAYER BAUER / MAYER ROTHSCHILD
ALBERT EINSTEIN
FRIZ LANG
WALTER BAUER
and that's just the german side...
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I AM BULLFROG. HEAR ME RIBBIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Pericles @ 81:
As in Pluto the God of The Underworld as in We are ruled by Thugs
"Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy."-- Ben Franklin. I may be an atheist but beer certainly is proof that somebody loves us. Lapel flag pins, on the other hand, prove only that one is a sheep.
My question to Obama: Why don't you tell all these people criticizing you for not wearing a flag pin, all the while not wearing flag pins themselves, to shut the fuck up.
Peter G @ 87:
Ben was wise.
sadly, I feel a need to defend ABC on this tripe. Middle America doesn't care about issues, largely because they don't understand them. ABC may have been right on target with this crap.
Both candidates have had ample opportunity to discuss the real issues in the previous debates. This batch of garbage is exactly what is being talked about around water coolers and in bars, etc, all across this nation. Just ten minutes ago I had an old friend say Obama was Muslim. Sad but true. This bullshit is what most Americans are actually talking about, and needed to be addressed. Those of us here are the informed, and alas, the minority. All in all, I think this debate spoke to more voters than most of the others. Again, I am very saddened by that, but I believe it to be true.
E in MD @ 88:
Because then they hurl tomatoes at Obama for not wearing a made-in-China flag pin.
No W NOW @ 90:
Then i deeply disagree with your conclusion. Your solution is for us to all have labotomies. My solution is to unemploy the lobotomizers.
I Love Triple B's ........Beer Baseball and big .......(fillin the blank) I don't want a man hater dumping on Me ,Hee hee
No W NOW @ 90:
IF it is true that anyone doesn't understand the issues, the answer is not to pander crap at them. Perhaps if the MSM covered real issues with the depth of coverage they provide to celebrity news people would understand them.
Waterboard the labotomizers!
I don't generally find it constructive to bash a network for asking tough questions, but only if they are actually meaningful. This flag-pin bull is probably the most ridiculous criticism of a political candidate I've ever heard. So the dude doesn't like to wear some cliche pin.....who cares? If the American people are really worried about this, I think that we really need to re-examine our priorities.
Yes, we can hear you. America can hear you! Stand up America.. wake up from your sleep-induced 911 nap. There's not much time left you assholes.
It takes hard work to understand The issues. IF We truely were an intelligent society We wouldn't have allowed The Thugs to highjack the 2000 election,and We wouldn't be here lamenting the last 7 years.
Filthy Harry @ 94:
Exactly. The whole point of a televised debate is so that the audience can better understand the issues and make an informed decision. It's not to give ABC the best possible ratings for pandering to the lowest common denominator.
David Hawes @ 95:
If we call it a "simulated surfing wipeout experience" it will be legal too.
Peter G @ 100:
Too bad it wouldn't make it moral aswell. I wanna be better than that, don't you?
Peter G @ 100:
Now your thinking!
Jimmi the Grey @ 101:
Eliminating scum is not immoral It is Healthy.
Jimmi the Grey @ 101:
Of course. But occasionally I like to explore the dark side, if you will, as a fantasy. Just a little simulated Schadenfreude.
I would Love nothing better than to be 'better than that'. Unfortunately,when scum breeds and takes over what will YOU do? Move? This is MY home. An invader is infecting everything around Me. What moral code says I cannot destroy that that wishes to destroy all I know and Love? Tell Me,and I will listen.
David Hawes @ 105:
Some night you and i will have to get shitfaced and we will get into it.
The NEOCON pondscum has systematically invaded and is breaking down the country I Love. What moral code is there that says I cannot wish to destroy that which threatens My way of Life?
xoites defends Constitution @ 106:
THAT would be a great night. Anytime,X.
xoites defends Constitution @ 106:
Can I come too. David, it may be more difficult but I believe it would be better to disarm them at the voting booth and then watch them forever. It'll keep us on our toes.
Peter G @ 109:
David Hawes @ 108:
We may need bail insurance. :)
Peter G @ 109:
I would agree IF I knew the voting booths were safe and secure. So,far That doesn't appear likely.
And Pete,You are welcome,anytime. We could have a fine shitfaced 'conversation'LMAO
David Hawes @ 111:
Who was it that said, "Those who feel secure are not?"
David Hawes @ 111:
That is actually one of the things that worries me most about the coming election.
xoites defends Constitution @ 113:
I don't know. Maybe I just did.
David Hawes @ 112:
If the beer is on me i want a shower with hot water and clean towels. I can bring my own change of clothes. :)
Mitch Clogg who is running for Congress in California is begging the Pope to excorsize George Bush while he is here. :)
xoites defends Constitution @ 116:
Well,that's easy-i run a motel in Florduh on the beautiful Gulf Coast
flag pin = divisive patriotism
I can’t help but speak out on this over played issue. It would be refreshing for the media or even a blog to call it exactly what it is at last, divisive patriotism. It seems to me there are two kinds of patriotism one which unites a nation in a common purpose humbly and yet proudly representing who we are as a people in that effort. The other divides and separates us from the world falsely inflating our stature denying our interdependency with the rest of the planet. Considering all Bush, Cheney, and the neo-con pundit hacks have done to this nation over the last eight years divisive patriotism best encompasses their platform.
All of their “with us or against us” tripe such as using a flag lapel pin as a symbolic sword to separate those who are patriotic or not, who is for the war or not, who is for the troops or not. This absurdity has been so overplayed now it comes across as a strange cultish gesture you would expect to see used in a B horror flick where the leading role character must put on the lapel pin in order to live. To me the greatest risk to America isn’t terrorism, its divisive patriotism. And the rights greatest weapon has been to reduce complex topics to narrow talking points and dichotomous questions others can only agree with or risk being branded a traitor or leftist nut. Knowing good and well the flag pin is being used by the right to further polarize this nation I wouldn’t wear one either.
my e-mail uncledave_53@yahoo.com
I missed last nights open thread but in review I saw that P2B is back. I'm hoping he'll turn up tonight. Owing to some password nonsense with google I have been locked out of the locker room. I have a moderate supply of beer on hand and I promise to hoist one to your health X and David.
My better half just informed me that a soldier who is ten percent disabled from wounds he recieved in Afghanistan (He is deaf in one ear and his knee is damaged has been called to go to Iraq.
Lapel Pins!
Let's talk about what it really means to love this country! Bush Blows!
that e-mail has an 'underscore'between uncledave and 53
Yeah 2 has a website . Quite cool,actually
I'm drinking my last beer now.Your health Peter and X.
David Hawes @ 122:
You've got mail. :)
David Hawes @ 123:
He put a huge amount of work into it but all I can do right now is read it. Some idiot used my office computer to register with google, in my absence, and used my e-mail so now I'm trying to get reinstated.
David Hawes @ 124:
That is truly the saddest thing i have heard all day.
xoites defends Constitution @ 127:
Well,it's almost 11 PM and I got a plantation to run.
Bin Laden wears a flag pin.
David Hawes @ 128:
Oh, i thought you were out of beer, that's different. :)
xoites defends Constitution @ 127:
I begin my first. A lovely and hoppy IPA. Now this is a relay race that should be an Olympic event.
I want 2b back too. I miss his horrible puns.
Hey X Congrats on your nuptuals! way to go. I'll celebrate my 25th anniversary in July.
A pun, by the way, is not good unless it is horrible. :)
xoites defends Constitution @ 110:
Got it covered. We can do it at my bar after hours. I even got an in with a few cabies, so no worries on the DUI front aswell.
should be a good conversation...and guaranteed cold beer.
Peter G @ 131:
Yup a little fun amoung the misery.
David Hawes @ 133:
I can't even imagine. This will be my first marriage and i will be 77 on the 25th Anniversary.
xoites defends Constitution @ 137:
Sheet X! Wow. Cool beyond words.
At the risk of seeming cruel - fuck Nash McCabe. Honestly, here's a woman who has had to work herself to damn near to death supporting a husband with extreme medical needs and no health coverage, and the thing that ticks her off is a flag pin??? She has to be pretty screwed up in the head. But you know what? She's one of those "average, salt of the earth Americans" to whom the GOP and corporate owned shills like Hillary just love to pay lip service. They're so predictable; they can always be counted on to vote against their own best interest. Admittedly, there's probably a racial component to this as well. I don't doubt for a minute if Obama were to show up at her home guaranteeing that he could alleviate her's and her husband's hardship, and even bring along the Lord Jesus himself to vouch for him, people like McCabe still wouldn't give him her vote. Why? Because she ain't votin' for no darkie, that's why.
David Hawes @ 138:
I'm a late bloomer.
geneHUSSEIN214 @ 139:
Yep.
xoites defends Constitution @ 140:
Bloomaway LMAO
I've been working on a lifelong project to drink the beers of a hundred different nations. A beer only counts if it is drunk in it's nation of origin. My current count is 34. There aren't enough nations of course, but if I live long enough perhaps there will be. A man can dream can't he.
geneHUSSEIN214 @ 139:
I totally agree and further i think politicians who use people like this should go on everybodies "No Vote From Me" list.
You two need a honeymoon suite here in beautiful Floriduh,it's on Me.pal.
And I don't collect freaking flag pins to go with the beers.
Peter G @ 143:
There are over a two hundred nations and every one of them makes beer (even if illegally). You can take a short cut and go to the Rathskeller in DC. They have about 6,000 different beers from all over the world.
Peter G @ 143:
Hmmmm.Well,I can say I kept the economy running by drinking a million American beers and a few barrels of fine Kentucky bourbon.
David Hawes @ 145:
That is awfully kind of you. I just might take you up on that!
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