Step 2 in defining McCain: He's really rich
By Steve Benen Monday Apr 21, 2008 6:00pmProgressive Media USA unveiled its first television ad of the campaign season last week, noting the striking similarities between John McCain and George W. Bush, down to the word-for-word talking points they share.
This week, PMUSA unveiled its second spot, a web video that might make it difficult for McCain to accuse anyone of elitism, which Logan featured earlier today.
As Matt Yglesias put it, "If you're looking for an elitist in the presidential race you might want to look at the super-rich guy who made his fortune by marrying an heiress ... And of course the couple still won't release the part of their tax returns that has all the money on it."
A perfect example of McCain's tone-deafness to the concerns of real Americans are the speeches he gave in Youngstown, Ohio, this afternoon. First he touted free trade in front of a failing Ohio factory, urging Americans to reject the "siren song of protectionism"
"A person learns along the way that if you hold on — if you don't quit no matter what the odds — sometimes life will surprise you," McCain said in a speech at Youngstown State University after meeting the five remaining workers at Fabart, a steel-fabricating factory that had more than 100 employees a few years ago.
Then likened the hardships Americans are facing today and the high level of foreclosures to his having to carry his own bags and fly coach in the days when everyone had written off his campaign. Bear in mind, he's speaking in a state where there are 144,000 houses facing foreclosure today. In Youngstown, with a population of only 82,000, there are 770 houses that have been possessed by the bank and 634 house in pre-foreclosure. There are 1,171 bankruptcy filings in Youngstown, bankruptcies that now threaten the homes of those Ohioans, thanks to the legislation that McCain championed in 2005. The Executive Director of the Ohio Democratic Party thought that McCain bore a resemblance to a pop culture icon known for being out of touch with how most Americans live.
"John McCain is the Paris Hilton of politics because he's so out-of-touch with the problems facing average families," said Doug Kelly, Executive Director of the Ohio Democratic Party.
The difference between Youngstown and McCain couldn't be starker:
· Youngstown is a working class city; John McCain is one of the richest members of the Senate.
· McCain's plans shred the safety net for Youngstown; McCain's safety net is a rich heiress wife worth $100 million.
"McCain's attempt to compare a poorly-managed campaign budget to the increasing demands on a family's budget shows the bubble McCain lives in," said Kelly.
Taking a step back, I'd just add that it appears the efforts to "define" McCain are taking shape -- he's the old, angry, rich Bush clone who frequently gets confused about policy details. Kind of like Grandpa Simpson with Mr. Burns' checkbook.
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So, I know everyone expects McCain (via Clinton) to win tonight, but have exit polls given any indication yet as to the margin of his victory?
strange how so few in the media bring up McCain's wealth, while at the same time calling one or both of the democratic challengers elitist...
will @ 2:
Good point!
The real challenge for Democrats this Fall will not be having the strongest candidate (both are quite competent), but finding a way to turn off the "zombie switch" in the MSM, which seems to see Wilford Brimley whenever they gaze on Sen. McCain.
I am a Roman Empire history nut. McCain is an Optimate...a member of the military/senatorial class who has cradle to
grave health care, military glory, slaves and wealth. They called MacArthur the "American Caesar", but he never matriculated into
the government. McCain is no Caesar, he's more of a Crassus, rich, vicious and shortsighted...who died choking on molten gold.
I think McCain will die years from now choking on the bitter defeat against our Plebian champion OBAMA!!
Oh, he's rich? Why didn't you say so? He must be evil, because anyone with a large amount of money is a bad person and surely must be guilty of something. Or, the person that chose to dedicate an entire post to ponder this idea is a complete idiot.
Why not question him on policy instead of attacking... I don't know what you're trying to attack; his wallet?!? It was not being rich that caused him to vote for the War or Patriot Act, his being a total dunce caused him to vote as such.
On a side note, there are people that are currently dying in a meaningless war, many of them younger than 25 yrs. I think that you're doing them a disservice by framing the debate around a premise so utterly unproductive as his (or his wife's) good fortunes, rather than McCain's erroneous vote for thus such a failed policy.
John G @ 1:
From Open Left
Update #5 (6:42) : Via Markos, Mark Blumenthal at the National Journal notes that the 6:00 PM exit polls have consistently favored Obama by about 7 points more than the final result. The National Review post referenced above links to an analysis also suggesting about a 7 point bias for Obama.
Don't forget Hillary and Bill. Their income over the last 8 years is more than the McCain's total wealth!
X @ 6:
Hey X,
Read this fucking blog [Deleted]....it's all about McSame's bullshit policies, actions and history!!! His wealth ties him to the military industrial complex. His life ties him. His wife ties him.
[marko, please play nice. Thank you. Site Monitor]
I suspect that neither the ads of the 527's nor the ads of the political parties will have as much to do with influencing the voter than will the "free" coverage and commentary given by the 24/7 corporate media. IOW how the campaigns are covered by the media and talking heads will determine the outcome of the election.
Karl Rove would attack his most prominent strength which is his P.O.W. status and military career.
I kinda think that slamming him because he's wealthy is taking the wrong tack... I mean, what if Edwards was the dem facing him? Wouldn't we say it was unfair for folks to bring up how wealthy Edwards is, "pretending" to care about the poor but still being a wealthy, out-of-touch elitist? So how can we then say McCain is out of touch simply by dint of being wealthy? I think we should attack his voting history and his policies, not get into silly "ooh, he's got a lot of money so he's out of touch" arguments.
Just my opinion...
marko @ 5:
I am Sparticus!
No, I am Sparticus!
No, I am Sparticus too!
Sorry, couldn't pass that up.
chuck @ 14:
best part of the movie...ty
Orangutan. @ 12:
Should attack his sanity.
Nothing against veterans. I am one myself. I just don't trust someone who was locked in a cage for 6 years and psychologically tortured. Nobody goes through that and comes back sane. The man is damaged goods. He's not the kind of person that you can trust with power.
marko @ 5:
Perhaps you mean Croesus? Crassus was a notable family, but Croesus was the really wealthy king of Lydia...
X @ 6:
Talk about missing the forest for the trees. The point is how out of touch McCain is. He went in front of a factory with only 5 remaining employees and told them to embrace free trade. He likened Ohioans losing their home to having to carry his own luggage at the airport.
It's not that he's rich. It's that he's in a bubble. He points a finger at Obama for being an elitist and yet he supports policies that hurt the average American. It's not that hard to grasp.
Sluggirl @ 16:
Although I guess Crassus was Marcus Licinius Crassus...
My question is, what is Cindy McCain doing with that senile, scarred up turd? You'd think $100 million could buy you a young hot stud.
I think we should slam the obscenely rich people. In the face of a country and world full of need, these people have more than anyone can possibly use...ever. There truly needs to be a restructuring of wealth in our country. When an oil executive can take $20+ million a year in bonuses while the guy who drives the truck the delivers the oil can't afford to heat his home, there is something fundamentally wrong.
Read cannibalplanet
Sluggirl @ 18:
Yeah, that must be to whom you referred. Never mind!
Nicole Belle @ 17:
I've never even wanted to type this before, but here goes:
*pwned*
:D
My friends, we have gathered here the haves and the have-mores. Some call you the elite, i call you my base, my friends.
McBowel-Wobble is at least as big a moron as President Wets-His-Pants....
Exit polls:
Hillary: 52
Obama: 48
My question is, what is Cindy McCain doing with that senile, scarred up turd? You’d think $100 million could buy you a young hot stud.
She THINKS she's gonna be first lady......
GOP voters don't mind if a guy is filthy rich as long as he's on their side. Their perspective is he's one of us not an elite.
Free Sidney Scooter III @ 23:
The word "the base" translates into Arabic as "Al Queda". I wonder why the Republicans are always refering to their supporters in the same way that Bin Laden refers to his supporters.
I like what Rachel Maddow does; she refers to him by his actual legal name, John Sidney McCain III. I think that pretty much disqualifies him automatically from the 'regular guy club.'
PA is going to send Hillary PAcking.....unless she moves the goal post again.
Ruthless People @ 30:
She's not an enemy of the common person. I hope people realize that at some point.
Anonymouse @ 4:
will @ 2:
I think everyone here pretty much agrees that there is really no "Press" in this country anymore. It is all owned by repukes and spews their party line exclusively. Untill the fairness doctorine (sp??) is restored, the press is like free advertising for repukes....
GB @ 8:
Sure but Hillary and Bill don't look down there nose at anyone who doesn't get their organic free trade coffee beans from Whole Foods Market.
This:
“John McCain is the Paris Hilton of politics"
Is brilliant !
Simple solutions. Have him donate all his dough to laidoff steel workers [deleted--over the top]. They may not be bitter in Pa., but we are in Ohio and it was our Diebolds that elected these crooks in the first place. If a republican ever wins Ohio again, there should be a revolution. [deleted]
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L.A. Confidential @ 31:
I don't think anybody here thinks she's the enemy of the common person. An enemy of meaningful political change in America which has a direct impact on the lives the the common person? Probably.
L.A. Confidential @ 31:
Just not as common person friendly as Obama. She voted to send the common person off to fight Bush's war and has yet to apologize for it. At least Edwards apologized. But then again, Edwards was common person friendly than Hillary too.
Rico @ 36:
She's more common person friendly that McCain, not as much so as Obama and Edwards. McCain ain't getting my vote, Edwards is out, so that leaves Obama to get my common person friendly vote.
Married a rich heiress, you say? Three words: John Fucking Kerry.
Christ almighty, find the next meme, hypocrites.
Kind of like Grandpa Simpson with Mr. Burns’ checkbook.
Awesome. Let's run with that!
Rich heiresses aside, this country does not need anybody that takes time from the campaign trail to go shopping in Beverly Hills while the rest of us work for the chance that one day a month we can go to the flea market and buy something nice for the kids.
bobaloo @ 39:
At Least Teresa Heinz gives away lots of her money. Cindy. Not so much.
crazylikeafox @ 42:
It's good that you point this out, because I was going to vote for Cindy McCain - until I learned this... Now I have to choose between 3 candidates that are actually are on the ballot! If there is anything more important to me than how much money that a candidate has, it is the extent to which his spouse spends it charitably.
And he wants to bone Miss SC. Too bad he can't get it up anymore. That's probably why he's so damn angry.
Unrepentant Liberal @ 29:
It the same thing that the anorexic blonde woman(?) with the adam's apple has been doing to Obama for the last year.
Sidney, ha ha!
crazylikeafox @ 42:
How do you even know? They haven't released her tax records. And before you attack that you may need to be reminded of this.
Look, my only point is that this a extraordinarily weak issue to attack the man on and looks desperate. Sure we can come up with better.
Let me see, McCain should lie to the steel workers? That is the job for Obama and Clinton--tell them that their jobs are overseas because of a conspiracy in a back room of Republican pols who want to see them suffer. That defies reason. It is the height of cynicism for O or H to tell them fairy tales--these people need to use their minds to think .
bobaloo @ 46:
http://philanthropy.com/news/government/4141/where-john-mccains-foundation-donates
Harper’s Magazine has taken a look at the giving by Sen. John McCain’s foundation and writes it has primarily given money to private schools his children have attended.
How... how shall I call it? elitist.
crazylikeafox @ 48:
Sorry this is long and maybe slightly off-topic, but it does pertain to John McCain. This latest piece of filth and lies showed up in my email inbox. I have no idea where it originated, but I'm assuming it's some propaganda started by the McCain campaign or the Swift Boaters. It will make lightning rounds around the internet I'm sure. Who wants to help debunk this trash?
Let me repeat: These are not my words....this email was sent to me. For some reason, it didn't end up in my junk mail.
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"Wish I knew who Senator Bob is...I like the way he thinks...
After long and serious thought, I have decided to endorse Senator John McCain for President. I have always voted for the person and have not voted for anyone because some political party was telling me who I should vote for.
We all know the choices by now and, that said, I do believe that the process of selecting a chief executive is deeply flawed. The words "money" and "special intersts" come to mind, among many others.
Here's the way I see it:
Barack Obama, you are a fine public speaker. You are also an extremely liberal Senator from the State of Illinois, which has a long and rich history of political corruption of the first magnitude. You are indeed a child of that system.
You have finally insulted my intelligence far beyond my capacity to tolerate your insults. It has nothing at all to do with your skin color. As a matter of fact, it would b e so COOL to finally have an African-American for President. What a great statement that would be to the entire world that we are indeed the greatest country on earth!
But, unfortunately, General Colin Powell is not running, and YOU are NOT the man for this job !
Barack baby, you want me to believe that you have never heard the sermons of your own pastor, the Right Reverend "God Damn America" Jeremiah Wright. It is a matter of record that this has been your church for over 20 years. It is a matter of record that you were married there by this very pastor, and that your children were baptized there.
The good Reverend saw fit to visit Khadafy in Libya with you and to give a lifetime achievement award to Louis Farrakhan, of all people.
We have all now seen excerpts of his sermons all over the airwaves by now. And you have publicly stated that this man IS your "spiritual mentor".
BUT, your pastor is NOT the reason I am NOT voting for you. His words were disturbing enough, but it is your own HUGE church congregation, seen jumping, hooting and howling to his words in the background that disturb me the most. And please don't tell me you attended church there and never once heard a "discouraging word" in the 20 years you atte nded there. Don't tell me, that in addition to the good reverend, that you are now not having anything to do with all those other people seen hooting and howling out in the audience in the background of his fiery tirades.
Even Oprah Winfrey got disgusted and walked out. I am no Oprah fan, but still she did the right thing.
Now YOU look me in the eye and ask me to believe that you never heard such language in all the years you attended there ! This is like me telling you that I attended dozens of Klan rallys and never once heard the "N" word. Yep. And Bill Clinton "did not inhale".
Yes, Mr. Obama, we all have friends who have said stupid things that embarrassed us, but NOW you have asked me to believe something that is so incredibly stupid that you are telling me that I am just stupid enough to believe you. THAT is the main reason that I will never vote fo r you. I am deeply sorry, that in a county teeming with enormously talented African Americans who would make a good President, that the political system has chosen YOU. You are a pathetic and plastic excuse for an American, who will not even salute the Flag during the Pledge of Allegiance. God forbid you ever get near the Oval Office.
Now, did I mention Bill Clinton ?
AH YES ! This brings us to MRS. WILLIAM JEFFERSON CLINTON, who this candidate really is, in spite of all the other names she may care to call herself. This "feminist" piece of work of course would like to be referred to as MS. and we all know who wears the pant suit in that family.
MS. Clinton, (sugar), it is just as depressing to realize that there are dozens of women who would also make great Presidents. But, fortunately, the horrible state of the selection process has selected YOU. Ms. Cl inton, I'm sorry, but you could not tell the truth if we waterboarded your worthless ass !
Still you play the role of the "embarrassed but dignified noble wife". What utter malarky ! I am not voting for you for a world of reasons, but the main one is the same as my not voting for Senator Obama. You persistently insult my intelligence. It COULD be conceivably possible that you did not know about Monica Lewinsky, extremely remote, but possible if we stretch our imaginations a bit. But you turn around and then ask me to believe that you also did not know about Paula Jones and the legion of other women who were chewed up and spit out by your lecherous excuse for a husband. Puleese turn off this broken record !!!
But let's set aside your hubby's flagrant pecadillos. The real reason I will never vote for you is that I don't think the country can survive EIGHT MORE YEARS of Whitewater, Travelgate, Filega te, Sandy Berger stuffing his socks with classified intelligence, Janet Reno's goon squad, and the myriad other corruptions that seem to stick to you like your ugly face. So our former President can't keep his dick in his pants. The REAL issue is that he committed perjury under oath when he lied about it and the pathetically-attempted coverup that followed.
Like you, he is totally incapable of telling the truth. He could not do it if you tortured him, and in voting for you, we would get the BOTH of you, all over again. The same folks who could have taken out Osama Bin Laden over 3,000 dead Americans ago !
And please stop telling me that you have "8 years of experience" to lead us. You were the freakin' first lady already, not the Commander in Chief. Jeez ! The sum of your "experience" is that of the most worrisome and incompetent meddling in the history of the White House. You even cursed your pit iful staff and the Secret Service agents who were and still are unfortunately charged with risking their lives to protect your worthless, thieving hide, and all at the expense of other people who have to work for a living.
Your single pathetic platform is to finance the illegal drugs, alcoholism and bad habits of the very lowest and most irresponsible freeloaders in America and to then "garnish the wages" (your own words) of every law-abiding and hard-working American to pay for it. This disaster you refer to as "Universal Health Care". Where have you been the last 30 years ? Did you not see that socialism is a failure wherever it has been tried ? Did you not notice that the Soviet Union has collapsed since it gave no reward to those who worked the hardest for the fruits of their own labors to pay for those who will not ??
It is interesting to see all the dead bodies that you and your hubby have left in your wake. Suicides, mysterious deaths, cover-ups that make Richard Nixon look like a rank amateur. The utter contempt and unbelievable arrogance of some of your strongest supporters, most notably the recently resigned and disgraced Governor Eliot Spitzer, the epitome of hypocritical and malevolent arrogance gone wild, one of your most ardent, wealthy and powerful political supporters. A man the news media refuses to admit IS a "super delegate" in your own political machine, a fine example of your own "adopted" state of New York. No wonder you moved there to run for Senator ! The environment there is perfect for the likes of you !
Yes, I would vote for a woman, but I will NOT vote for YOU !
Which leaves us with Senator John McCain.
John, you are a flawed man. You ar e a bit old, a bit looney, and you have a notoriously bad temper. This perfectly qualifies you, in my humble opinion, to lead us for the next eight years. I WANT your trembling hand on the nuclear button.
Think about it.
We have Kim Jong IL, Chavez and Ahmadenijad all running around like lunatics, threatening America and threatening to plunge the world into nuclear Armageddon. We have Putin and the Chinese blustering and rattling their sabres at us. I want John McCain in the Oval Office and I want him to be really pissed off at all these other nut jobs around the planet.
John, once you are elected, I want you to go into the Oval Office and throw one of your perfect FITS. Jump up and down and throw something through a plate glass window. Rip the drapes down and foam at the mouth a bit. And I want the whole thing on camera so that Ahmadinejad can see it. I want ALL of these "world leaders" to lay awake at night and to break out in a cold sweat every time they think of messing with the United States of America.
I want the nuclear button sitting right next to the alarm clock on your night stand. I want pictures of this to be sent to Iran, Russia, China, Venezuela, Cuba, Libya, Syria, Pakistan, and those other assholes in the sheets, the Saudis.
On the domestic front, poor John did try and reach across the aisle to the opposition in a desperate effort to compromise and to get the Congress to do something. You may not agree with his efforts, but at least he TRIED. For all his efforts, all he got handed to him was his head in a basket. The liberals are pissed at him and the conservatives are pissed at him. Just my kinda guy.
I predict that John will select Senator Joe Lieberman as his running mate. Good choice. I want a JEW w hose memory of the Holocaust is still fresh in his mind and who is royally pissed off at all of these towel-headed morons in the Middle East to be the next in line if something should happen to John. Shalom, Vice President Joe. One heartbeat from the Oval Office.
Finally. John McCain knows on a most personal level what it is to suffer horrible torture for years and to see others die, right in front of you, for their love of America. When you ask him about it, he will tell you that what he did was "nothing special". Even more incredibly, he states that ANY American who truly loves his country would do exactly the same as he did in that situation. You and I will have a hard time believing that, but the real point is that John McCain believes that about the "average American", and that, dear friends and neighbors, is why I will cast my one poor ballot for on election day for John McCain -- warts and all.
God Bless America,
Senator Bob
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Batocchio @ 40:
It's not commonly known, but this is the reason McCain refuses to release his wife's tax statements. It turns out she's not as wealthy as people think she is, due to her extensive holdings in Confederated Slaveholdings, Transatlantic Zeppelin, Amalgamated Spats, Congreve's Inflammable Powder, U.S. Hay, and an up-and-coming Baltimore Opera Hat Company.
John Sidney McCain III is a victim, not a war hero.
John Sidney McCain III should have our sympathy, but not our votes!
John Sidney McCain III was a victim of bad policies... policies which he also now supports.
He was a victim of torture and abuses of human rights... abuses which he now supports!
John Sidney McCain III, the son of an admiral, multimillionaire who owns eight houses actually called Barack Obama, raised by a single mother in small town Kansas, a "elitist"?!?!
John Sidney McCain III only survived Vietnam because of his elitist status.
They only gave him medical treatment in the first place because he was the son of an admiral.
Seriously? Is this really being discussed right now? I am a sophomore in High School and even I can see this is foolish. This isn't about the money, its about the policy. All you democrats ever do is complain about rich people. Which i find amusing considering the leaders of your party are just rich people who feel bad about being rich so they attempt to take all the money away from the wealthy and give it to the poor. Yeah, the poor might be working hard, but is it really far to tax those in the top income bracket obscene amounts. My friends and I sit around and talk about politics every day. Want to know why 16 year old girls are even considering the subject? Democrats, thats why. We come home everyday to find the tvs in our homes tuned to CNN or Fox and have to hear about the democrats and what they want to do to our country. Which then leads to the daily, if the democrats take office, such and such will happen. Which usually consists of my dad complaining about all the tax increases they want to make, which leads to my mother ranting about how she will have to go back to work. Is it really fair for someone my age to be dealing with this stress? I am now worried that come next January, my life will be turned upside down, and for this reason: Because my dad happens to be a a very hard worker and in turn very successful, he is going to get taxed out of his mind so that someone on welfare can be given the lifestyle that i am accustomed to.
So seriously, stop complaining about McCain having money. HE worked HARD for his money, regardless of his wife's wealth. Don't try to pull your usual stunts and scrutinize people for being hardworking and successful. It's just not fair.
n/a @ 53:
Tucker, is that you? Must have some time on your hands now that CNN canceled you......
n/a @ 53:
Hey sonny boy you had better be stressed, America is going over a cliff.
And the Republicans are driving.
solid @ 54:
like i said, 16 year old girl....not likely to be on cnn. Good luck tearing me down on this one. I know I'm right.
n/a @ 56:
Sorry, I thought you were a boy. Since you're a girl I hope you know McCain doesn't want girls to control their own bodies. So don't go sleeping with the boys, because if you end up pregnant, McCain wants you to go to a girls home and have the child. Please don't ask for any money to support the child though. Just give it up, like a good girl.
n/a @ 56:
It's called sarcasm dear, a little humor. Apparently you are 16, because that one flew right over your head.
For your information, Tucker Carlson is a political talk show host/gasbag who always sounds whiny and petulant, kind of like some 16 year old girls. But hang in there, I give you credit for coming on Crooksandliars and going toe to toe with some evil commie liberal like myself.
P.S. I got news for you sweetheart, BOTH major political parties want to separate you and your parents from your money. They just go about it a little differently. Basically they are just two sides of the same filthy coin.
"In summation , everyone should go out and cheat on their wives , and marry a rich , empty-headed drug addict like I did for some security later in life"..........
n/a @ 53:
Ummm , girly ; do you realize that McStupid didn't have a pot to piss in , let alone run any type of campaign for dogcatcher in an Arizona county , until he had his empty-headed 2nd wife's family fortune to finance his political career ?
You call that "working hard" , huh ?
It takes kids a long time to get any grasp on money. Most kids that is. This generation is going to be rudely awakened. America's middle class is over. Most people just don't know it yet.
“A person learns along the way that if you hold on — if you don’t quit no matter what the odds — sometimes life will surprise you,” McCain said in a speech at Youngstown State University
Yeah Johnny, sometimes life just surprises you - like hitting the lottery. Most of the time, however, working people are just plain fucked.
n/a @ 53:
A troll posing as a 16 year old girl?? Aren't there other websites or chat rooms where you can go and do that??
Show McCain one of those "newfangled" price scanning machines, like they showed Bush a few years back, or ask him what the cost of milk is for a single mother or what a loaf of bread costs.
Only problem is, it wouldn't be covered by the em es em these days....
bobaloo @ 39:
You bring up a good point... how come the MSM isn't all over his butt on this like dung beetles on dung? As I remember it, the MSM couldn't get enough of the story of Kerry , but yet, not a word about the Beer Babe fortune.
Come on America, how long has it been since the GOP candidate, is a Disability Pensioner!! Not what the rest of the World would expect from the "Leader of the Western World".
Remorseless killer, woman using bastard with an evil temper. You know he's going to be next Preznit even if they have to have the Supreme Court appoint him in a special one time decision. Worst thing is that Israeli agent Joe Lie-berman will probably be his Vice.
Why is it that all the candidates seem to have Daddy problems?
Only private sector experience McCain has is marrying into money. Unless one counts soliciting lobbyists like a whore.
Because when one really looks into it, McCain has sucked the taxpayer's tit all his life.
n/a @ 53:
Excuse me, Paris, but McCain did not work hard for his money, unless you consider being married to Cindy "hard work."
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