Larry King Live: Michael Moore On Obama, Clinton, Wright and McCain
By Logan Murphy Wednesday Apr 30, 2008 12:00pm
Michael Moore appeared on Larry King Live Wednesday to talk about his support for Barack Obama, his views on Hillary Clinton's campaign, the Rev. Wright distraction and as expected, spoke some serious truth about John McCain and how he's wrong for America.
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While Moore hasn't been shy about his dismay with Hillary Clinton's campaign, he talks about party reconciliation after the Democratic primary is over and acknowledges that he hears from a lot of women, many of them older women, who support Hillary and rightfully so. Larry King tries to get Moore to praise McCain, as all elite media pundits do, but Michael hits him hard on vowing to run a third Bush term with disastrous policies that as an "elderly American" would hurt him, were he not a U.S. Senator:
"...And we've seen him angry. And as a senior citizen maybe he's experiencing things now, as an elderly American where it's not the same as if he were a young person in this country. Certainly, if he wanted to go and get a job other than U.S. Senator, at his age, he'd have a pretty hard time, wouldn't he?"
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HA!
I gotta get a tv so I can watch stuff. Ah to hell with it.
Heh. Nobody ticks off the tighty righties like Moore.
Like many uninfomed Americans, I was angry at Moore's outburst at the Oscars in 2003(or 2002). But he was right and I was more than wrong. So Mr. Moore, I apologize for being an idiot.
I'm just waiting for someone to say: "Isn't there enough commentators and anchors humping McCain's leg? I don't think I want to get in there."
The way the media sucks up to McCain is pathetic. Hagee, Keating Five, Temper issues are all swept under the rug, at least Moore shows he has the balls to say it like it is.
didn't michael moore here the news?
"the surge has been a huuuuuge success"TM
gee what's new, another good old white boy supporting obama. Even after knowing that obama sat in a church for 20 years listening to a preacher tell his congregation to HATE ALL WHITES. And damning America and above all blaming ourselves for 9/11. I guess it doesn't matter what kind of a piece of crap you support as long as it isn't a WOMAN. Hate predjuice and out and out phobias...what else are the good old boys gonna foster.??????
Michael Moore is a big bag of wind...
Wow Marge, you seem a little ticked off.
Kevin, Moore may be blustery, but he is usually right.
Marge @ 8:
you definitely have a knack for exaggerating, misinforming
kind of like reverend wright
I'm not questioning the validity of his statements.... I'm saying sometimes he needs to stfu (not necessarily in this case), just overall.
Well, regardless of who gets the nomination, I will be voting Democrat. Just thinking of McCain winning gives me the heebie-jeebies.
Kevin @ 13:
so you think he is generally right in what he says, but you just don't want him to say it? oooooooook
*scratches head*
Samson- @ 12:
Don't waste your energy...Marge is a hit and run troll. Doesn't have the juevos to stick around to see how wrong he/she/it/them is.
Kevin @ 13:
Take your own advice.
Talk Radio-Talk TV
Talk talk talk
The right hate Moore because Mike is smarter than to talk out of his ass like the frightwing pundits. Mikes facts are always well vetted and supported. Right down to every last nuance and scenes in his movies. He wont walk into the right wing spin trap and it drives them crazy. I respect Mike but don't always agree with his delivery too but im sure his message is properly intended. More Moores and less Hannitys would be a good start to a better America. Mike loves his country.. Hannity loves his paycheque and his 15 minutes which should be just about up by now.
I'm not feeling a lot of love at this post.
Moore haters are generally the people that need to STFU, in my opinion, or just go watch "The View" or some shit.
Republicans like Marge love to spread lies.
Bottom Line: All republicans are liars and cannot be trusted.
You know mcstain is completely wrong for the US because the reich wants him in power.
OT: News that the "D.C.Madam" may have killed herself was just announced. So do they mean 'killed herself - cia' or 'killed herself - blackwater' ?
ThunderMonkey @ 5:
hahahahahahahaha! that's funny!! and you paint a totally accurate picture of the media pundits, hasbeens and wannabees both...
MargeAggedon @ 23:
very good questions inthe O.T. section... makes you wonder, doesn't it?
P.D. @ 20:
People are tiring of talk. It's been 7 years and we may as well be treading water barely staying alfoat with some guys in a boat giving us a lecture on why we shouldn't have gotten into that situation to begin with then they leave and we're thinking. . .uhhhh why didn't they pull us out of the water? I mean we're like drowning ya know?
People, people, lets chill for a minute. This is what the right-wing fringe want us to do. They practically drooling over the Obama and Clinton match-up. The more we beat each other up, the more McCain slips under the radar.
Samson- @ 15:
Yeah I kind of scratched my head at that one too. The solution of course is to change the channel.
sharkcellar @ 21:
I agree with almost everything he says and his movies are brilliant, but there's something about him that grates on me. Maybe I'd like to hear a positive take on some things, sometimes.
Alright, Mike! If only all Dems would be courageous enough to say what they think like this. Ever noticed how conservatives supposedly win points by saying things that enrage liberals, but liberals live in terror of saying things that enrage conservatives? What is so bad about pissing them off?
And for the record, I'm an Obama supporter (former Edwards supporter), and I will be voting for whoever wins the nomination. I never planned to do otherwise.
Moore is a National treasure!
14All, I agree. I just want this President out! Now! 71% disapprove of his performance. The lowest rating ever, even lower than Nixon's 66%. WTF.
P.D. @ 4:
Well, I don't think you're wrong. I really like Michael Moore but there are times that he's so passionate he comes off as a raving lunatic even though what he is saying is right.
The problem with that is it makes it easy for people who don't like him to dismiss everything he says.
This clip shows him in what I think is really his element. He's not being interrupted, there's an underlying tone of anger at what's happening in this country but he's addressing everything in a calm, rational and thoughtful manner.
His enemies will still bash him but if they use this clip as an example to try to convince somebody who doesn't know Moore or is undecided that Moore is an extremist they won't get too far.
My only problem with Mr. Moore is that he sometimes has to stretch the facts he presents to reach the conclusions he believes. He's still right but instead of using facts that take you straight there he takes the long route and then somewhere makes a huge jump across a chasm before getting to the conclusion. I wish I could think of an example to back that up, but I can't think of any at the moment. I just know that's the impression I've had more than once with him.
Actually he sort of does this at the end of this clip. He says, "John McCain wants to raise taxes." OK, I can see the logic there but he doesn't really spell out how that would happen even though I can figure it out. But if I didn't want to figure it out I could just call him a liar because he said it without backing it up and in the mean time McCain keeps talking about lowering taxes even more.
The obvious problem there is that it makes it easy for his enemies to say he didn't have his facts straight and therefore everything he says can be dismissed with no further discussion.
If he's left out that last sentence this clip would have been 100% solid.
Rev. Wright = Distraction
Angry = Distraction
Elitist = Distraction
Repeal of Gas Tax = Distraction
When will the mainstream media start to address the paid military analyst dust up? They're all guilty, and this is a crime! It is a travesty that we allow them to distract the sheep with all this mundane horsehockey they throw against the wall.
Matthews, Morning Joe crew, Howard Kurtz and CNN, Andrea Mitchell, Brian Williams, Timmeh; I hope that they all shit in bed tonight!
Marge @ 8:
What does Obama say about whites? He might have said he hates them all but it must have happened when I wasn't listening.
P.D. @ 14:
Me too! God, or some spirit, help us if McCain becomes the next president. I'll vote dem no matter what and I'm a big time Obama supporter.
P.D. @ 14:
Same here. I hope it's Obama but Hillary will do. She's GOP-lite, but still better than ful flavor GOP.
One of the biggest mistakes of the American left is thrusting people like Michael Moore into the spotlight.
CafeenMan @ 36:
Since Obama's mom and grandparents are white, I doubt he said anything.
OT: The NYT is reporting that the DC Madam has killed herself in FLA.
Pissed off Patricia, I said it before and I'll say it again. I will vote for SpongeBob if he was the Democrat. I used to be an Independant, but the last seven years have been a nightmare. It will take decades to fix this country, if we can fix it at all. Pray.
I wonder what was in the Madam's suicide note. I'm wondering if Vitter is sweating a little?
The media is just reporting that the DC Madam committed suicide. I believe that there are so many in the DC area (high govt. officials) that wanted this woman dead for obvious reasons. I would ask the justice dept. to investigate, but they are most likely part of the plot. She had lots of people that wanted her shut up for good in my opinion.
P.D. @ 42:
I agree. I'm to the point now where I would even vote for Bullwinkle if he were running against McCain.
pissed off patricia @ 37:
Word!
CafeenMan @ 34:
Yes, I was really impressed with his appearance on LKL and I usually take MM with a grain of salt. I thought he was really expansive with understanding why women would be passionate about supporting Hillary. (I'm not one of them)
The reason MSM support McCain is because he reminds them of their GI Joe toy of their youth and that is just so cool! And he belongs in their club and they belong to his! No further discussion is necessary to completely embrace their newly recovered beloved toy. And he's old! That means they're young! So many many things to like! Tell us another war story Grandpa! How you fought in the war so we don't have to... /s
P.D. @ 43:
It's an "apparent" suicide. I highly suspect foul play considering the kind of dangerous information she was sitting on
What is up with MSNBC? The endless campaign coverage is mind-numbing. Don't we have a war going on? Aren't millions losing theie homes? Christ!
jeff @ 41:
Yeah...suicide by Blackwater...
P.D. @ 43:
I'm really not into conspiracy theories, but this seems really convenient for a lot of politicians who individually or collectively have the power to make a death look like suicide. If there's a note, it's probably a lot of mea culpas for causing so much trouble to everyone while globally stating that never ever did a republican enter her place of whoreship.
I thought Marge was being snarky...
Apparently they found her body in the shed on her mothers property. I'm wondering what really happened. It's a shame. And just think Vitter, unlike Spitzer will slink on by. Sigh!
jeff @ 41:
A "Suicide"
Okay
vrunner @ 48:
"...the dangerous information she was sitting on"
Is that a madam pun? I'm sorry but it did make me laugh.
I'm sure all her information is somewhere safe. Stuff like her client list etc. Where in Florida are saying she was?
P.D. @ 53:
Someone is sending a message. Fu*k with us, your dead meat.
jeff @ 41:
What else is there to do in Florida?
Michael Moore is a walking talking big fat hypocrite. He admits in one of his books he doesn't recycle plus he drives a gas-guzzling car. He makes a movie about 9/11 and instead of putting in facts that were out there had he read a book, he has to put in conspiracy theories.
He doesn't help us win in November. As Hillary said to Ted Kennedy on the Senate floor - thanks for not endorsing me. His major complaint about Hillary is her vote on the war; yet he endorsed Kerry who made the same vote.
And now he endorses John Kerry the second. Thanks, Michael Moore
dosido @ 47:
I had a GI Joe in my youth, but I never had a Grampa Joe. McCain looks like an old farmer to me.
It pisses me off the she was thrown to the wolves while Vitter and the other Johns in her book get off.(No pun intended). I would love to see the dirty details of the men in that book. They deserve to be run out of town on a rail. Ala, Spitzer.
Sorry P.D. to bust your bubble but Bush Regime got America in a good mess because the Democraps went along-hand in hand.Just imagine if Hillary gets in 2009-- Never ending Fox-News--Billy & Pelosie caught with pants down....
ysbaddaden @ 58:
Chat with you guys on C&L like I'm doing right now.
I just caught the end of the report on the madam's death on CNN and they had a question mark after the word suicide.
L.A. Confidential @ 57:
She was quoted after another woman involved in this case "committed suicide" that she would never do the same and if they ever found her dead it would be murder!
CafeenMan @ 60:
I had a GI Joe in my youth, but I never had a Grampa Joe. McCain looks like an old farmer to me.
LOL. *g*
I find when people say not pun intended, it was intended.
Maybe Larry Flynn turned up nothing on his investigation so he ran her over with his wheel-chair.
Democratsrule @ 63:
That conniving bitch! She killed herself just to cause trouble!
P.D. @ 4:
Wow! Thanks for saying that.
[offers imaginary handshake]
You just made my morning.
They are saying she was in Tarpon Springs. I have friends that live up there.
I never, ever thought that an election would reach Fandom Wank proportions, but this one sure has. These "Hillary/Obama iz TEH SuXXorz!" exchanges have all the depth of a manic Harry Potter fangirl wankfest.
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IgnoranceIsNotBliss Says:
They are saying she was in Tarpon Springs. I have friends that live up there.
That's right up the road from me. They're mainly famous for their sponge docks. A large Greek community lives there. It's about the only interesting place within a few hundred miles of here (Spring Hill, FL).
Karla @ 70:
Are you some kind of commie? Why do you hate wankfests?!?!
People still think Obama can't beat McWar. When the facts on McFraud slowly leak out this summer and fall, Obama will destroy this dusty old fool...Hillary knows, that's why she's fighting like a cornered dog to stay in the race.
I'm down here in Sarasota County.
CafeenMan @ 72:
No shit...what's wrong with wankfests? I was at the great wankfest of '00...had to change shirts 5 times.
You don't see wankfests like that anymore.
liberalHUSSEINmoderation @ 75:
And furthermore....WANKFEST!
Left&Left @ 73:
You mean people like news pundits telling us we think that?
I always thought any of our dem candidates can beat McCain't.
dosido @ 47:
Plus, the main reason is that all of the MSM is bought up by just a few individual Corporations. If you as a reporter ask too many hard questions of the preferred candidate or about situations your Boss the corporation does not want covered you will lose your MSM job. Also, they, the corporations, will blackball you the reporter. So the MSM reporters keep their mouths shut and the propaganda going that the government and corporations want released to the public. So the American Public goes around in blissful ignorance discussing information that really does not matter and never seeing the true problems facing the country. When a candidate tries to address the issues facing America then they try to bury him or her in other distractions to nulify his or her message.
Samson- @ 12:
Well, Rev. Wright was "wright-on" about obama, the chickensh!t.
jmac @ 59:
We have not really heard from MM in awhile, because people weren't "feeling" him, thinking he was doing more harm than good. He is just doing what these other people, who have pretty much been irrelevant the last 7 years, endorsing the supposed "cool kid" to make themselves relevant once more. Here's the deal, obama is dying a death by a thousand cuts, many of his own making, and now he is out pandering saying "we are ready to be test driven, have people kick our tires, etc." Well, everytime someone finds a flaw with the obamacar, he whines and/or plays the race card. People are on to his tactics and they aren't having it anymore.
P.D. @ 27:
That's how I see it too. Probably, the best thing for the Democratic party right now would be to just get it straight (call in the superduperdelegates if need be!), select your candidate and then concentrate on blowing McCain right out of the Blackwater.
McCain has changed position on so many issues no one can really say what he really stands for. For instance he has not yet released his wife's income tax statements. This is where most of his money comes from, so the public has a right to know. Another example of McCain's secrecy is what do these lobbist he is surrounded by expect in return for their support of his presidential campaign.
PssttCmere @ 80:
And progressives claim conservatives are uptight, and not funny. You're hilarious man!Aaahahahahahahahaha!!! Here's the deal...take your "I saw a spaceman" hillbilly shit back to Drudge. And buy some shoes, hick. "Obama's dying by a thousand cuts". Aaahahahahahahaha!!!
jmac @ 59:
Taken out of context, don't you think? MM says he doesn't recycle, but in that book (which one was it again? I can't remember off the top of my head) he also laid out his reasons. He claims that recycling is a placebo (right word? Anyway...), meant to make us feel good about ourselves by throwing our cans and bottles into a bin and thus we have done our part to help the cause of conservation. But in reality, he says, these bins are in the end tossed in with the rest of the garbage. That isn't verbatim, but it is the gist of what he wrote in that book. Now, agree or disgree with his paranoia about recycling, his story is not quite the same as your take, your implication, that he "just don't do it. I'm Michael Moore! Harumph!"
And by the way we are likely all hypocrites in one or the other. We just don't all have our lives examined under a microscope.
I expect it from Repubs, but it is unfathomable that intelligent Democrats would buy into the discrediting of individuals like Michael Moore and Cindy Sheehan. As Democrats, we should support the real progressive voices in this country that the GOP and MSM work so hard to silence.
Samson- @ 15:
No, I said I'm not questioning the validity of the statements he made in this particular video. He is wrong far more often than he is right. So instead of being a mouth breather, he should stfu and slip into obscurity. THATS what I'm saying.
Ron Weed @ 85:
Who has discredited them? Discredited right wing blowhards? Moore and Sheehan have had the guts to tell it like it is and put themselves on the line. I have read his books and use his films to teach documentary filmmaking to my students- they love it. You might buy into the discredited myth because the MSM likes to make caracatures out of them but they are the true American patriots speaking truth to power.
Kevin @ 86:
no, that's not what you said, it was what you implied--or attempted to.
i would never endorse, or defend, him as a person, or his tactics, but to say that he is "wrong far more often than he is right" sounds like pure bluster. or, do you care to share his vast inaccuracies? i find him boorish, and shrill from time to time, but rarely wrong.
educate me.
Ron Weed @ 85:-
My apologies. I reread your post and realize you were saying the same thing as me. I just get very angry hen people try to minimize Moore's contributions because of the MSM's depiction of him.
Marge @ 8:
I fail to see why people have such outrage over the Rev. Wright's comment about the attacks of 9/11 being a result of America's policies. Osama bin Laden has said that, several times. He issued a fatwa in 1996 demanding that U. S. soldiers leave Saudi Arabia immediately. Two years later, he issued another fatwa and stated that is was "the duty of every Muslim" to "kill Americans everywhere." In that same statement, Osama objected to U. S. policy toward Israel and the continued presence of U. S. troops in Saudi Arabia. He reiterated those comments after 9/11. Thus, the Rev. Wright was merely reporting facts.
One wonders why all the lunatic comments of white pastors such as Robertson, Falwell, Hagee, etc. who claim that the 9/11 attacks, Hurricane Katrina, tornados in Kansas, etc. are God's punishment for a variety of perceived sins are not the subject of incessant nightly discourse by the bloviators on talk radio and cable news shows. Might racism have something to do with this double standard?
(P. S.--I'm an old white guy from a very red state.)
P.D.@27 - Before the Donna Brazile (Obama) spin was super d's better not decide this election. We have nine contests left and now all of a sudden super d's need to vote and need to vote NOW.
Get over it. This is going to the end; all states will vote. Then the party elders can decide how to seat Michigan and Florida and tell us who our nominee will be - just like the rules state.
Kevin @ 86:
Jeezus Effin' Christmas on a broomstick:
Can we have a moratorium on the acronym 'stfu'? It's just so damned schoolyard. It's like a slap in the face.
I'm serious: I could take people and their opinions more seriously without that bit.
P.D. @ 49:
Last night it was Rev Wright Rev Wright Rev Wright Rev Wright Rev Wright Rev Wright Rev Wright. Jebus!
ysbaddaden @ 58:
Hey cut it out, Ysby. We've got lovely beaches and malls and titty bars.
Michael is a talented (sometimes) film maker. However, his history of endorsing presidential candidates is, well, weird. Talk about a 180...remember his very public endorsement of Nader? And then his very public denouncement? Stay out of politics. Stick to filmmaking.
IgnoranceIsNotBliss @ 69:
Maybe a giant tarpon jumped out of the water and fatally hit her in the head.
P.D. @ 11:
LIKE THE DAMAGE HE DID WITH NADER?
Dr. Acula @ 94:
You could find me in the latter.
Do they still tip strippers with a sawbuck, or is a fin the de rigeur du jour?
P.D. @ 4:
You're not an idiot. But it's very big of you to admit you were mistaken. Welcome! And like you, I will vote for whoever the Democratic nominee is.
Kevin @ 13:
You're right. It seems Hannity, O'reilly, Limbaugh, Coulter, Savage, Beck , Malkin, Dobbs, Ingraham, Russert, Matthews, Carlson, Kristol, Rove, Blizter etc. etc. etc. just can't seem to get a word in edge wise.
Poor dears....C'mon Michael, give these guys a chance to voice their reasoned opinions!
Dr. Acula @ 94:
Yeah...and we got fat women who INSIST on wearing thongs!
92 Bonkers Hussein
Jeezus Effin’ Christmas on a broomstick:
Interesting you should say that. In some areas of Italy, their version of Christmas is on Epiphany Eve (January 5-6), when an old woman named Le Befana flies on her broomstick delivering gifts for the kiddies.
Traditionally, even in the Western world it's bad luck to take down the Christmas decorations before January 6th or after January 6th.
Hey Michael, how do you know that John McCain was tortured while a POW during the Vietnam war? I bought my first computer 12 years ago and as soon as I found out about John McCain's torture claims(5 years ago) I have searched the net for proof of his claims. Am I looking in the wrong places?YOU should do a documentary about McCain's incarceration during the war!I think he's lying about everything. How 'bout you Mike?McCain's military service should be your next project!
liberalHUSSEINmoderation @ 101:
What about the fat men?
Sam @ 97:
Please don't bring up Ralph "night of the living dead" Nader. You people are just angry because Moore dumped "your girl" Hillary.
I love seeing Marge turn into a spitting, mouth-foaming racist on a daily basis, only to be screaming the kettle black. Please Marge, your rants hurt my head. Yeah we're supporting a black man because we hate women more. Jesus lady, get a f*cking grip. Tell me, how old do I have to be before I can be acceptably phobic, prejudice, ignorant, and self-rightous? Maybe we've just had enough of your generation, and don't think they have what it takes to bring in real change?
ysbaddaden @ 102:
You never cease to amaze me.
Har!
ysbaddaden @ 104:
Darn you straight to heck YSB!!! I was trying to forget about my last trip to South Beach...hairy, overweight, gold necklace laden, drenched in cheap cologne...wearing speedos...You're right...that is all there is to do in Florida...I will now kill myself with beer and cigarettes...it may take 30-40 years...but I won't stop until I succeed!
Sam @ 95:
Yeah ignore a patriot like Moore(who's father fought at D-Day) who has made a career out of speaking truth to power and just listen to you all fucking day.
ysbaddaden @ 104:
The fat Canadians wear speedos...
Doh larry, you "think" mcAncient is going to be more of the same??? You can't be that f*cking stupid and have your tv show. If you are, you better loosen those suspenders so you can start thinking straight.
Good job Michael. larry doesn't want to believe it, but how dumb do you have to be to not see what is coming?
I know I'm biased, but I can't help but believe, even if I wasn't biased, I would see this old battered "war hero" for the worthless sack of shit and lies he really is.
Wake up America!! Please don't sleep through another election.
Hulk @ 111:
Larry's mental acuity is on a par with McChimpy.
Dr. Acula @ 110:
see many of these out there?
http://www.icis.com/blogs/icis-chemicals-confidential/borat%20pic.jpg
Kevin @ 9:
is that the best youve got? a silly euphemism? too cowardly to make a cogent argument? give it a shot, you may surprise yourself.
peace
miss_kitty @ 113:
Left&Left @ 109:
Don't you get it? Hollywood types should keep their opinions to themselves...unless of course they are serving the frightwing as governor of California or preznit of the United States.
[rolls eyes]
What is it with people who think that celebs don't have a right to an opinion? Oh, what, their particular opinion gets more voice than one of us scrubs? Well, shitfire, they ARE the celebs. What do they expect?
Left&Left @ 109:
...And my Dad died in Vietnam. So what's your point? Mine was that even good intentions can lead to mistakes. And he has been wrong - so very wrong - which was my Nader reference. He was the one on his knees on national television begging Ralph not to run and admitting he WAS WRONG.
Your point seems to be no one can make points except you and your hate.
bridger @ 114:
You must have missed the other posts where he thinks that MM should 'stfu'. A real zinger and very illuminating.
/sarcasm
liberalHUSSEINmoderation @ 108:
The other day the Dallas Morning Nudes had a story with a headline that read, "The Dark Underbelly of the Law," and I was thinking, "What, has Dennis Franz got another cop show?"
miss_kitty @ 113:
I'm sure Michael Moore wears one.
Sam @ 117:
If you truly believe in the first amendment, you shouldn't try to stop Moore or anyone from exercising that right....even if you completely disagree. I may be harsh, but I'm not a hypocrite.
Sam @ 117:
Here's my preference:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgkiEiRjBfg
ysbaddaden @ 120:
Thanks. Excuse me. I have to go poke out my mind's eye.
I just finished watching Sicko the other night.. I fell asleep on the previous attempt. It was very interesting, especially when you see Hillary in bed with the lobbies after she fought against them. Of course that's probably fiction because everybody knows that Michael Moore just spreads lies with his films! Fahrenheit 9/11 did not have a molecule of misinformation in it; to say otherwise is to deny the last 8 years existed.
ThunderMonkey @ 5:
Best comment yet!! LOL!!
where's the rest of that interview?
ysbaddaden @ 119:
HA!!!
Or Assy McGee struck again.
miss_kitty @ 123:
Eeyeeeeewwwwwwww! I thought only "Borat" wore that kind of bathing suit.
I predict that CNN will now use Moore's unwillingness to praise McCain as proof he is an shrill, member of the far-left fringe.
Because we all know, even the slightest criticism of a right-winger, no matter how deserved, is considered shrill and hateful by the media. But on the other hand, you can smear a left-wing candidate all day long, and spread long debunked lies...and you are just "asking questions that ordinary people want to know".
McCain as an old man wouldn't have to look for a job... he's already got one servicing his wealthy wife, although, I should think that with her money she could trade him in on a younger, cuter model that wouldn't call her a trollop or a C word.
Rosencrantz @ 129:
Sam@117, please read.
Marge @ 8:
Respectfully, I'd hardly call Michael Moore a "good ol' boy". I think you might want to rethink that statement. He's on our side.
Let's all stop being so divisive for a second. Every time a Hillary supporter goes off on Obama, Karl Rove gets an erection. Stop the madness. We're all on the same team. The goal is too precious not to unite.
By the way, it's a very small erection.
References to erections and uniting in such close proximity give me a woody.
Oh yeah, and going off?
Dr. Acula @ 128:
I think Alice Cooper used to wear one on stage, but of course it was made of black leather.
Come to think of it, I've worn one once around '92 at an S&M fashion show.
bilhelm-pantsuit-X @ 124:
You are right. Sicko is an extremely relevant and important film. One wonders, however, if Michael Moore has seen his own film, since Moore decided in the Larry King interview to inexplicably trash Ralph Nader, who, unlike the other three major candidates, has endorsed the idea of single payer health care in this country. It appears that Moore is willing to back any Democratic candidate, despite the fact that both Obama and Clinton have elected to keep the insurance and pharmaceutical in their health care proposals. Yet Moore has decided to excoriate Nader who, unlike the other two, is willing to place people above the needs of the big corporations.
It will certainly be difficult for Michael Moore to retain his credibility after backing a Democrat who is not in favor of what his film logically portrays as the best health plan that will aid all Americans in this country.
135 ysbaddaden
The clothes pins clamped on my nipples and marble sack were optional extras.
Correction to post #136. Part of the third sentence should read "... to keep the insurance and pharmaceutical companies in their health care proposals."
ysbaddaden @ 134:
Hey, it's been a while.
I like Michael Moore because he just says fuck it, I don't care what people think.
He knows he's a big boy, and that people are shallow and are going to jump all over that as a way of avoiding responding to the issues he brings up. It's easy to trash a fat guy. But does he give a shit? He says what he feels is right anyway. I don't check his site as much as I used to, but it was his site that first linked me to C&L!
Left&Left @ 121:
No, I know exactly what you meant. You used the military example as aid to your point. Whatever that was. Moore spent thousands upon thousands of hours at the top of his voice trying to convince Americans to vote for a candidate that he later claimed cost the democrats the election in 04. Fact. End of story.
That history alone is enough for me to be wary of any candidate he endorses. Period.
The fact that his dad served in the military is irrelevant. But since you brought it up...have you served? I have. And you don’t have a clue what harsh is. My dad did as well and gave his life. So what has that got to do with anything?
Moore has a history of being dead and dangerously WRONG. And history backs up my point.
Marge @ 8:
Having a bad day Marge? Tell us how you really feel about us "guys."
And just for the record, the DLC "republican-lites" who passed NAFTA, have done as much to destroy the middle class in this country as anyone. Until the wheels came off Ms. Inevitable's coronation, she was still praising and loving the DLCer's.
Kevin @ 13:
Actually Kev, it's the right wing assholes who need to STFU! We need alot Moore of the truth in this country.
mrplow @ 140:
Michael Moore can say more in five minutes than most of his critics say in their lifetimes. He knows they'll just call him "fat" or "un-American" because they are incapable of challenging him on substantiate issues. I admire that fat patriot.
14All @ 31:
Me too! Also, I love telling conservatives they are chumps of the aristocracy. It's fun watching their hard-drives meltdown, as they try to process logic for the first time in their lives.
Erroll @ 136:
I guess you must have missed the first time HRC took a run at the health issue. Those corporations ran a real well-financed attack that took on very personal dimensions. I rather like her new proposals. Firstly she's co-opted the deep pocket adversaries by lulling them into thinking gov't mandated health insurance will be a windfall for them. And it will for a while. When people finally look to cut costs it won't be health insurance (which is a mom and apple pie issue if ever there was one). No about that time people will think about cutting out the middle man: health insurance companies. It is a beautiful example of using the thin edge of the wedge to get the ball rolling on universal health care. The beauty of it is these corporations are so blinded by short term greed they are missing the inevitable consequences. This is one of the policy issues that I believe shows Clinton's political insight into the art of the possible.
P.D. @ 33:
Again, it's not the 71% that leaps-out at me. Who the hell are the 29% morons that still support this asshole. There is not anywhere near 87,000,000 rich people in this country. WTF!!
Sam @ 141:
No.... I did not serve. So now you pull a McCain on me and use the "I served" card as if that makes your point stronger. I mentioned Moore's father having fought in WWII because so many people over the years have questioned his loyalty to Country. He mentions that fact in his book "will they ever trust us again" as an example that his father, a vet, taught him to always question authority. You can divert the subject as much as you need to in order to feel right, but Moore has been right WAY more than wrong.
Left&Left @ 148:
It would seem that the weight you give to having served or even having a relative who served would make McCain your logical candidate.
Actually, I served during peacetime, although at the VA they call me a Cold War Veteran, since I had a Top Secret Clearance, and ray gun was still in office.
However, I'm a Moore supporter, and I don't care who he supports for office. That's not what I base my opinions on.
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