"Sometimes Paranoia's Just Having all the Facts"
By Bill W. Friday May 02, 2008 6:00pm
And Larisa & Co. at RawStory have dug up a lot of them.
For instance, did you know that the home of former Democratic Governor Don 'all roads lead to Rove' Siegelman has been broken into twice? Or that his attorney's office was too, and that the whistleblower's home was burned down and her car forced off the road? And that's not the half of it. Could it be that being the target of an investigation by US attorneys in Alabama and Mississippi could increase the likelihood of becoming a victim of such crimes somehow?
Of course, all of the crimes remain unsolved thus far. Go figure.
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Siegelman has studied martial arts for decades and holds a black belt in Kyokushin-style karate.
So no doubt these snoops, perverts and knuckle-draggers carrying on the tradition of tricky dick nixon wait till he's away from all these places to do their "dirty work".
Don't you think this guy would make a great FBI director or Attorney General. Especially considering, the huge grudge he must hold against these Neocons.
worthy of a banana republic.
I Like Pie @ 2:
The Great Chicken Hawk Roundup. Boy would that ever make great evening news.
It will be justice served when these repugnants are exposed and convicted. That is, if we will still have justice in this country.
You might even commit suicide after you made numerous public and recorded pronouncements that you wouldn't.
Rebel Patriot @ 6:
Also see:
Feds Seek To Gag D.C. Madam
http://tinyurl.com/2suzax
Paranoia is the irrational fear that everyone is out to get you.
Thanks Bill W. If the media doesn't report on this, these crimes will go on and we will all suffer for the lack of justice in this country. I appreciate the education.
Do you expect war criminals NOT to do all this and more?
None of us are safe as long as BushCo exists on the outside of prison.
Do the right thing- IMPEACH and CONVICT these murdering thugs.
I Like Pie @ 2:
Yes He Can!
I'm surprised Siegelman hasn't committed 'suicide' yet.
L.A. Confidential @ 4:
Great Idea Pie, How can we get a movement going to let whichever Dem wins (if in fact they do) to put him in to clean up the mess. I really think something like this can get legs or even wings. Lets start the rumor and hope it becomes fact.
Why are there no Woodward and Bernstein figures in the modern MSM (the two themselves would be great, come to think of it) to cause Watergate, Redux and bring this administration down? Why?
Horse in Kentucky derby, the lone filly, and the one that Sen Clinton was rooting for, broke two ankles, finished second in race.
Horse was immediately euthanized.
The tragic filly lost to a horse called Big Brown.
Terrible irony.
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Biff Limbaugh @ 3:
does this count !
November 9, 2004 - At 7:50 PM armored tanks showed up at an anti-war protest in front of the federal building in Westwood.
Video of the two NG tanks (wheeled AFVs) arrive at an anti war demo.
this is the kind of crimes against victums that the real
criminals rove, bush and cheney would use to cover up
their actions. fuck this bush administration
General_Rennenkampf @ 14:
because we no longer have a free MSM. Its all corporate or state propaganda. Operation Mockingbird on steroids.
deceased CIA Director Colby even admitted as much when he, and I'm paraphrasing, said that anyone of any importance in the media is under the thumb of the CIA.
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Rebel Patriot @ 18:
Wha? Really? Damn, so this is like what the old USSR was, only more subtle.
Orangutan. @ 9:
The media is far too busy giving us week after week of wall-to-wall Rev. Wright coverage. Only Dan Abrams seems able to find some time to cover this.
General_Rennenkampf @ 20:
I would hazard a guess we are in the 70s phase of the old CCCP, no mass arrests or deportations to Gulags for citizens but the not so subtle velvet iron fist and heavy handed for non citizens.
General_Rennenkampf @ 14:
MTV took over
I know who did it.....the wackos who keep sending those bogus e-mails of all the people that the Clintons have "bumped off"....right down their alley.
ferrofluid @ 25:
And of course the schizophrenia of RW xtian MSM morals coupled almost porn on cable MSM Tv shows.
Hasn't been an open thread in a while so I'll post this here.
The Pro war - pro Bush AP reports: "US takes out militant holdout in Baghdad" http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080503/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq Seems when you read the article it seems more like civilians were taken out but don't expect the headline to reflect that truth.
Also not the video link in the upper right hand corner "United States and Turkey bomb Iraq".
We're all in this together folks, the coalition of the two!
Rebel Patriot @ 21:
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ferrofluid @ 25:
In techno-totalitarian America our homes, workplaces and offices are the Gulag.
ferrofluid @ 25:
I dunno, seems more like the Malenkov era to me. Bush is too stupid even to be a Brezhnev figure. At least Brezhnev actually could run the USSR. Bush is Malenkov, a temporarily nice figure, who was replaced by Nikita Kruschev. I would guess that McPapen will be Kruschev, if this analogy is accurate. God help us when our Gorbachev comes along...
L.A. Confidential @ 26:
You mean American Idol.
The 'Quatermass Conclusion' , Max Headroom, and Robocop with their futurist TV showed a glimpse of what we have now.
Having not bothered to watch much entertainment TV over the last 15 or so years, its quite a shock to see the style of some of the almost porn titillation TV shows these days.
Rove probably just loaned Siegelman's house out to some of his Bubba's for a Klan meeting.
L.A. Confidential @ 31:
just as the citizens of Oceania were prisoners in their own homes, their own jobs. They only went to reeducation or to room 101 when they were in real trouble.
L.A. Confidential @ 31:
Very true, scare everybody to abandon the streets, and keep people in crap jobs and scared to leave for fear of the unknown.
General_Rennenkampf @ 33:
MTV had to destroy attentions spans first. Then the mind could be filled with anything.
ferrofluid @ 37:
FEAR is the mind killer.
L.A. Confidential @ 38:
I hate with a passion modern TV video editing style, two or three second clips and flashing graphics.
ferrofluid @ 40:
Its watchable but fatiguing, do they really expect people to drink or sedate themselves to make this garbage barely watchable !
milquetoast @ 16:
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ferrofluid @ 40:
It's truly annoying. What I find worst is concert clips where they constantly go back and forth between the performer and the fans.
I want to watch the artist. Not a bunch of fans making idiots out of themselves.
Look up Judi Berri's case or 'Red Wood Summer'...
She was an organizing against logging old growth trees...
FBI gave a 'car bombing' symposium for any local police to attend ON PROPERRTY OWNED BY MAXOM LUMBER. Very few attended.
2 weeks later her car blows up as she drove down the street with her boy friend.
She was arrested for the bombing, all her privacy was breached by the FBI as she lay arrested in a hospitol bed. She sued in federal court a year after all charges were dropped and won (postumusly) over 8 million bucks.
So political crime perpitrated by 'the state' is not new. May 1st comemorates murder of protestors (and cops) by the cops where more protesters were charged and hung - Leaving the real 'evil doers' in hidding. So it is a standard issue tool of thiers. Look at all the attempts on Kings life before the one that suceeded...All under the close scrutiny of the FBI.
The things we have to do to protect ourselves from terrorism - The terrorists who hated our freedom took office in 2000 I am afraid.
General_Rennenkampf @ 14:
Don't forget the significance of "Deep Throat"
Orangutan. @ 45:
True. But then, why are there no men or women of that character in this administration? Watergate wasn't that far in the past and a lot of the same people were involved....
General_Rennenkampf @ 14:
Because all the journalists have sold out so they can go to all the hot cocktail parties on K Street with the enemy and keep their "access". They are sleeping with and fucking the enemy. They are sellouts and cowards. They are all un-American a-holes (except for Helen Thomas) who have forgotten their "job descriptions" (according to the standards of average, Americans who actually still give a flying F about the TRUTH).
Does that answer your question?
Looks like we may need citizen's actions to protect these people. Like the Mississippi Freedom Summer in '65. Just get those college kids in their cars and have 'em spend their summer vacation protecting non-assholes in Alabama, which, given that Siegelman was elected, could be more than half of them Alabamans.
And the crimes will forever remain unsolved. This is the south after all.
General_Rennenkampf @ 14:
We have loads of facts already but no action.
Even if we had the photos of bush flying the fucking pla... Sorry - Don't go there...
I mean even if we had video of Bush lieing about the WAR...Opps we actually have that...
I mean what would we need (besides a stained dress) to do ANYTHING to PUSH BACK?
And who would do the pushing - Nancy Polosy?
The Bush justice department?
The Bush Supreme court??
It gets to the point in many Fascist states where information or 'facts' (you can assert) pose no danger to the regime in power because YOU CAN'T DO SHIT ABOUT IT.
Oh yeah! It does make for some very funny comedy!
Abbybwood @ 47:
Agreed - the mainstream media is nothing today but a group of sycophants and whores. They've lost their credibility totally and more people are not watching their propaganda on television or reading the cherry-picked news in the newspapers. I suspect that the msm will quickly become as extinct as the dinosaur very soon. No one believes a word they hear, especially from anyone associated with this administration of corruption.
to the Siegleman facts on how dangerous it is to be a patriot today, maybe we should add the DC madam to the list now?
And it is even funner than that because part of thier plan appears to leave a 'scortched earth' where the USA used to be.
We are going to have to deal with so many crisis as soon as this guy is out...
And I think like untreated syphalis - If we don't impeach and imprisson (or BETTER!!!!!!!!!) then it will continue to live in our Goverment like a cancer....
Leaveus @ 50:
These neofascist nazis have hijacked this democracy. Don't look now but Diebold and it's gremlins are busy working on hacking YOUR vote while we type. Go to www.blackboxvoting.org or www.bradblog.com to see the horrendous details. We now know that Bush was never legitimately elected - he stole office both times.
The first time was in Fla. with the help of Katherine Harris and Jebbie who manipulated the SCOTUS to halt the recount. Don't forget to catch the new movie on HBO: Recount.
Second time was with the criminal assistance of Kenneth Blackwell, Chair of Bush/Cheney 04 and ironically also the Ohio Sup. of Elections. The lines went black around midnight and the results were funelled through an RNC office in the cellar of a bank building in Tennessee.....and voila! By morning, the results (and exits polls) had been hacked.
One of our founding fathers said: "He who builds on false grounds, the more he builds, the greater is the ruin". Bush's presidency was built on stolen ground so we can see for ourselves how this adage comes to fruition. Everything this man has touched since taking office is filled with devious manipulations and overt corruption. This is why he is single-handedly "destroying this country".
Leaveus @ 52:
According to the laws of the universe, if we fail to impeach and imprison these known criminals for their actions against the laws and constitution of this country, then the international community will assume that we are as criminal as them and will bring us to our knees. The american people need to do whatever it takes (and as long as it takes) to show the rest of the world that we are definitely of the ilk of George Bush, do not condone his heinous crimes, and will bring him and his cadre of criminals to the justice they deserve. Failing this, I fear to say that the integrity and position of this country in the world view will fall into the black abyss of irrelevancy or takeover by the stronger ones.
osiris @ 51:
Leaveus @ 50:
This would be a good time to resurrect the "State's Rights" that the Old Confederacy used as its excuse to enslave blacks. Only, this time, the "State's Rights" are to still have a nation. Not to keep slavery, but to break free from it. State's Rights would be a true, blue American rallying point against Corporatocracy.
Rebel Patriot @ 6:
What is interesting - 1 story in the press same day , than no follow-up stories. It is as if main stream media had been told to ignore the story. Somebody in the Washington power elite ordered this hit.
General_Rennenkampf @ 46:
Yeah, there's modern day deep throats trying to speak out, (a few Whistleblowers come to mind) but no one is listening or reporting on the story. I guess its the combination that is needed and I guess the powers that be learned how to effectively combat that scenario from so easily occurring again. Media consolidation didn't help. All we have is the internet and the hope that more people will start reporting on it. Mike Malloy of Nova M Radio is starting to push out of the stereotypical peer pressure restraints. And some hosts on Air America Radio are starting to wake up as well to the creeping fascist nightmare we are in. Ring of Fire with Mike Papotonio and Robert F. Kennedy Jr. were covering the Siegelman case pretty effectively and Richard Greene from Clout is trying to get to the truth of the matter as well. We'll see. It is definitely controversial though. You can't argue that.
BTW, Germany has issued warrants for the arrest of Don Rumsfeld some time ago as well as principals of an aero company running illegal rendition flights out of North Carolina. Bush, Rove, and Cheney's warrants will be issued the moment they step out of office. Already they cannot step into Vermont where warrants exist for their arrest. Many other states are considering like legislation. They'll all have to go into exile.
osiris,
You had me untill you said it was a single handed effort - That is silly.
I mean you got Cheeny and the Media
All thier corperate buddies...
Bush is part of a team my friend.
General_Rennenkampf @ 55:
This is already occurring within about 20 states. It IS time to invoke the rights of the states before this coup is complete.
evenplayingfield @ 56:
Qui Bono? Who benefits?
Same as it always is...
If Congress hadn't been blackmailed by the illegal spying and their own skeletons which they fear will be jumping out of the closet if they move forward with impeachment and Conyers had begun proceedings which, BTW, are not a "choice" when impeachable offenses exist; it is a mandate of their oath of office two years ago when the afterdowning street information about Bush's 'cooking the books on Iraq' had been followed, just imagine where we'd be right now?? To date, most congressmen are in clear "derelection of duty" and can be removed from office by the people.
If we'd done "the next right thing" back then (mandate of the midterms), maybe we'd be moving toward digging ourselves out of this horrendous debt and financial situation which is tanking this country? Maybe we wouldn't have had the sub prime crisis? Maybe about 1,000 or our military would now be home enjoying their families instead of six feet under? Maybe this country would still have a shred of it's original credibility and respect internationally before the Bush Gang destroyed it?
One thing is certain: We wouldn't have to be sickened by his verbal diarrhea of continuous lies. We wouldn't have to be so embarrassed for him because of the clown he continues to make of himself for the rest of the world to see.
Ask yourself: If you were of foreign descent and you watched Bush during one of his typical psychiatrically compromised speeches, would you not be laughing your ass off and rolling on the floor? Sadly, this is the same clown who is the commander in chief of this country.
How low have we gone?
@55
"This would be a good time to resurrect the “State’s Rights” that the Old Confederacy used as its excuse to enslave blacks. Only, this time, the “State’s Rights” are to still have a nation. Not to keep slavery, but to break free from it. State’s Rights would be a true, blue American rallying point against Corporatocracy."
Well I think the days of the Nation State are numbered and they will go by the wayside like City States did before them. So in that vien I guess States Rights would be a potential card to play - But thier legislatures are bought for far less than the National legislators and the 'UNION' may infact not exist if the constitution is suficiently ignored leaving it's mechanism as usless as NORAD in September.
osiris @ 60:
Indeed. Preferably not the way the CSA did. We don't need Bush Muraka Lite, which is basically the Confederacy (imagine a so-called state where Hannityism runs amok. That was basically the CSA.) I wish that the Deep South could perceive that Dubya is not its friend, and that his Administration is so incompetent as to make Caligula a model ruler (for you educated types.)
Rebel Patriot @ 61:
hmmmm. No follow up stories about her being suicided? Very interesting. Could it be because she left multiple notes? Could it be due to her recent public statements about fearing for her safety?
It's not surprising. No more surprising than they 'rubbed out' the DC Madam. (we all know-- c'mon)
osiris @ 65:
The last person she supposedly gave reference to was Dick Cheney.
I'd still love to know about the two young men who were found dead in Winter Park who had ties to the RNC and running a male prostitution ring just outside DC....now there's another story.
8 Kuparuk Says: Paranoia is the irrational fear that everyone is out to get you.
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Yes, bu$h has made America paranoid; you just never know from which shrub a terrorist will jump out from behind. Crush, kill, destroy-- report others-- OBEY.
evenplayingfield @ 56:
You're right and we need to find anyone we can who has the guts to cover this story and follow up on it. And if someone does have the balls to do it, and some do, we have to refrain from our pavlovian response of labeling them conspiracy nuts and losers. I've already heard investigations into one of the "witnesses" and an interview with her condo association Manager. But I'm sure the next Anna Nicole thing will prevent the MSM from ever covering it responsibly. These things are controversial and hellraisers, but you can't shy away from them and expect your democracy to go along real fine. For instance...
"Without debate, without criticism, no Administration and no country can succeed - and no republic can survive. That is why the Athenian lawmaker Solon decreed it a crime for any citizen to shrink from controversy." - President John F. Kennedy - April 27, 1961
Look at all the problems on this thread. I imagine Crooks & Liars is going to have to become more E! Entertainment style or else put up with a lot more site monitoring, because whenever a controversial subject like Siegelman comes up, the natural response is to get to the bottom of things. And that leads off topic oftentimes and into controversial and emotional territory that takes up a lot of bandwidth and long threads and site monitoring and all the rest. And by the way I am not against site monitors whatsoever, in fact I often like sites with them, so that the topic remains focused and civility remains. I'm just saying its going to be work or else it isn't going to get done.
But this thread is important to me. Siegelman and people like him are important to me. And important to this country.
osiris @ 68:
Winter Park, FL? I'm up there next week to work. Got a link?
(sorry sitemonitor--I'll get back on topic.)
Having Republicans running things in Washington D.C. is like having the Mafia running our country...with the last seven and a half years of the Bush/Cheney administration being just one long, long, excruciatingly long Soprano's episode.
Everything the Bush/Cheney administration has done reminds me of the Mob.
Endorsing torture. Robbing our federal treasury. Sweetheart deals for corrupt crony Republican pals and companies. Mafia-like Republican lawyers blocking attempts to uncover and disclose the crimes of their fellow corrupt crony Republican pals and companies. The corrupt Republican Mafioso bosses planting Mafia-like Republican judges throughout our federal court system, and even on the Supreme Court, to thwart any attempts by anyone looking into Republican mob activities. Money-laundering. Protection rackets. Extortion. Kidnapping. Media manipulation. An utter disregard for the "rule of law" and the U.S. Constitution.
And this Republican Mafia is turning America into a third-world, banana republic right before our eyes. Devastating rises in fuel and food costs. An increasing gap between the wealthiest and poorest in America, with the American middle class being severely squeezed...with the Republican Mafia trying to steal as much of the gold in Fort Knox as possible...leaving the rest of America a much poorer place.
I will definitely be voting for the Democratic Party ticket in November.
The Democratic Party has some warts and wrinkles, but compared to corrupt members of the Republican Mafia, the Democratic Party candidates definitely have more soul and social consciousness, as well as integrity and honesty...making the Democratic Party candidates more in tune with the founders and founding principles of our great nation.
Hopefully, it is not too late. Hopefully, the Republican Mafia, under the criminals Bush and Cheney, do not do even more harm to our country in their remaining time in office, and starting in late January 2009, the extensive damage these Republican Mobsters have done to our country can be addressed and healing of our democracy can commence.
Biff Limbaugh @ 3:
my point exactly
This may be the one that finally brings one of the biggest criminals in the bush crime ring down. Hopefully they'll take their time and solidify the case and prosecute Rove after bush is out, otherwise the dumbass will just pardon him. The courts should be very busy after bush is out. There's a hell of alot of republican criminals to prosecute which include bush himself.
This story is going to make a great film some day when all the facts are out. Better than "All the President's Men".
"God damn America" does not seem an inappropriate invocation in this nations present state. I have a very hard time believing any God would be disposed to bless
such a country as we seem to have become.
Mike @ 75:
Lets make it a triple feature with the "Sibel Edmonds Story" and the "Tillman Murder Mystery".
Mike @ 75:
More like "To Kill a Mockingbird" or "Mississippi Burning Part Deux".
It's Silkwood.
There seems to be a McCain angle to this story > Please go to Huffington Post,article entitled "McCain Withheld Controversial Abramoff E-Mail",authored by Sam Stein,2/25/08. ..The actual e-mail is pictured at the end of this article. Directly related to Siegelman's rival,Riley.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Here's an excerpt:"On the stump, Sen. John McCain often cites his work tackling the excesses of disgraced lobbyist Jack Abramoff as evidence of his sturdy ethical compass.
A little-known document, however, shows that McCain may have taken steps to protect his Republican colleagues from the scope of his investigation.
In the 2006 Senate report concerning Abramoff's activities, which McCain spearheaded, the Arizona Republican conspicuously left out information detailing how Alabama Gov. Bob Riley was targeted by Abramoff's influence peddling scheme. Riley, a Republican, won election in November 2002, and was reelected in 2006.
In a December 2002 email obtained by the Huffington Post -- which McCain and his staff had access to prior to the issuance of his report -- Abramoff explains to an aide what he would like to see Riley do in return for the "help" he received from Abramoff's tribal clients.
An official with the Mississippi Choctaws "definitely wants Riley to shut down the Poarch Creek operation," Abramoff wrote, "including his announcing that anyone caught gambling there can't qualify for a state contract or something like that."
The note showed not only the reach of Abramoff, but raised questions about Riley's victory in what was the closest gubernatorial election in Alabama history. "~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~THIS IS A MUST READ! Remember ,John Mc Cain CHAIRED the Bureau of Indian Affairs hearing into Abramoff's lobby "deals" with Mississippi Choctaw and Louisiana Coushatta Indian tribes-Abramoff wanted to get Riley elected to keep gambling OUT of Alabama,so his good friend Haley Barbour(former K st. lobbyist) could keep Indian casinos in Mississippi. McCain did NOT include e-mail expressing these sentiments in the 373 page report McCains commission wrote at the conclusion of the BIA "inquiry".
The sad thing is, this ain't "Michael Clayton," this is a real human's life. Maybe it would make a more compelling story for all of us if our cause had a martyr, but this is no goddamn movie.
Beyond the pale.
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