Third Times A Charm: Kristol Once Again Flubs Facts In NYT Column
For years now, FOXNews pundit William Kristol has been wrong on nearly every subject he's chosen to write about or speak to. His follies at Fox are legendary, and since bringing his special brand of fact- & research-free hackery to the pages of the New York Times, he's made not one, not two, but now three glaring gaffes to add to his comical body of work.
In his New York Times column today, Weekly Standard editor Bill Kristol tried to find reasons for conservatives to be optimistic about 2008 elections, despite the claims of some Republicans that “the Republican brand is in the trash can.” To support his argument, Kristol pointed to Sen. Barack Obama’s (D-IL) 41-point loss in the West Virginia primary:
On Tuesday night, while the G.O.P. Congressional candidate was losing in a Mississippi district George Bush carried in 2004 by 25 points, Barack Obama was being trounced in the West Virginia Democratic primary — by 41 points. I can’t find a single recent instance of a candidate who ultimately became his party’s nominee losing a primary by this kind of margin.
Apparently Kristol didn’t look hard enough. Writing at Room Eight, New York political consultant Jerry Skurnik says it took him “all of 2 minutes to find what Kristol couldn’t find.” On Feb. 5, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney beat presumptive GOP nominee Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) by 85 points in the Utah primary: Read on...
In Bloody Bill's defense, facts do have a liberal bias!
Facts we don't need no stinking facts.
oh and Frist
I mean second
He's probably so heart broken that PNAC has completely failed that he can no longer concentrate.
um, that's what he does.
I would take little Billy at his word when he says, "I can't find..". His track record proves it!
we all know that repubes do not do well with facts, irony and hypocrisy. it is not in their nature or political interest.
Dr. Bitter Hussein Matt @ 4:
DM: feel free to keep posting that link as often as you like - I laugh every time :)
Blue Lensman @ 6:
He probably exclusively uses Conservapedia as the only source for all his rants.
Kansas Caucases:
Obama- 74%
Clinton- 26%
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#val=KS
District of Columbia Primary:
Obama- 75%
Clinton- 24%
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#val=DC
Only a true sociopath can be that immune to truth. What a f*****g moron.
Considering that Obama trounced Clinton by similar or greater margins earlier in the campaign (Idaho +63 for Obama, Alaska +50 for Obama, Hawaii +52 for Obama), I guess this means that neither Obama nor Clinton can possibly win the nomination....
Yawn. He's been wrong for years. Why should his writing be any different?
Great photo Billy. Now everyone keep a close eye on your kids.
Well he looked in his shorts and there were no facts to be found there.
kristol is a dickhead. he would sell his mother for a butt-warmer.
Bill "The Bloody" Kristol is an irretrievable idiot. He's also an accomplice to a cabal of War Criminals of the highest order.
To mention "charm" in the same sentence with him is to offend.
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Whitey Bitterman @ 2:
First is easy, it is always post number one, last, however, is really hard because it changes as to what post number it is!
"The Gray Lady" continues to give her naysayers plenty of ammunition. If they feel they need a conservative voice find one that at least is credible
Kristol is extremely lazy, it's true, but I hardly think all of his mistakes are incidental. Every mistake he makes slams Obama or another Dem. The slam gets played up, while the correction rarely gets as much attention. That's how hacks like Kristol play the game. Sure, he's lazy, but above all he's dishonest hack with a nefarious agenda.
No matter what little billy is talking about, he always has that shit eating grin on his face. Has he had face lifts or something?
The repubs like him are so used to lying and no one calling them on it that they forget things are changing here on the inter-tubes. Fact checking is something they just aren't used to.
Maybe Billy is saying that McCain isn't going to be the Republican party nominee.
Perhaps Kristol is attempting to show solidarity with his party's nominee by acting senile.
So he's supposed to be correct? I thought his column was the political comedy section of the NYT?
19 konchster Says: If they feel they need a conservative voice find one that at least is credible
Yeah, no kidding. I understand they need different views, but Kristol is obviously not working out.
Off topic/ Gas prices top 4 bucks a gallon.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12400801
StirFry the Appeaser @ 24:
Well they don't have a comic page.
dadams @ 16:
Ya mean his mother doesn't warm his butt?
I used to think that Dan Quayle chose Kristol to be his Chief-of-Staff because Kristol was obviously superior in intellect to Quayle. Now I realize that Quayle just wanted someone just like him. What a fricken' maroon.
Re-PIG-lics don't need a reason to lie. Not even Neo-conservative re-PIG-lics.
It is like breathing for them - they do it without thought or hesitation. These are the godless and amoral among us.
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I think Hillary is going to take the race all the way to the rules committee and if they don't see things the way she wants, she will blame her loss on the committee rather than the voters.
What are people like Billy going to do when Obama becomes president in spite of all their carping, lying and exaggerations? Will they immediately start doing hit pieces against every move Obama makes?
Maybe Kristol dismissed McBush/Romney in Utah presuming Mormons would only vote for a Mormon-- so it don't count!
Nah, never mind.
Randy @ 28:
One doesn't have to be very damned intellectual to be more so than Quayle.
He's just a LIAR, that's all. Nice photo, though. I see his mouth hasn't changed much since his youth - everytime I see Bill I wonder what was put in his mouth that stretched it all over his face and made his lips so thin!!??
Maybe dan quail just wanted to feel smarter than someone.
Amitola @ 33:
Smilex
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKFeuBfDTso
pissed off patricia @ 30:
Please don't say, "hit pieces", I worry bout his safety!
Obama won the Virgin Islands by over 80%. Idaho by over 60%. HI by over 50%. Alaska by 50%, Kansas by 48%, etc..
Amitola @ 33:
I really don't think we want to know the answer to your question. The mental image I'm getting isn't pretty.
You mean Quayle actually had to search to find someone smarter than he was? He was an embarrassment to the repubs from the moment his name was mentioned by george sr. I remember he quickly took off his coat and started jumping around like he had just been name prom king.
Why does he hate Obama so much?
Sure, the point of the article is completely lost when you take “facts” into account. But, maybe what Kristol was referring to something that means little to us in the reality-based world.
Maybe William the Bloody was actually talking about the number 41, as it might have some Religious Right significance, like 666, or 3:16. It’s true, no has gone onto be the nominee with that EXACT number 41.
Maybe Kristol is making some weird voodoo cosmic connection to the number 41.
Or, he could just be full of sh*t.
Giving Kristol the benefit of the doubt is getting harder and harder. Why does the NYT find it so easy?
"All the fools with shit to print"
Paul's Bunions @ 36:
Sorry! I know what you mean. How about if I said attack pieces?
mudshark @ 25:
Seemingly off-topic, but the everyday concerns of the average American are something that Kristol will never understand. That's why the neocons were doomed from the get-go.
Biddut Miah @ 39:
He's black.
Blue Lensman @ 8:
I know, me too.....there is a warm fuzzy feeling knowing that this extremist group that was once so influential to herr dubyah's adminstration is now a complete and utter failure.
Kyle @ 44:
And here I thought krystol(nacht) was Jewish.
pissed off patricia @ 42:
I'm coming Elizabeth!
pissed off patricia @ 42:
Still too violent, how about slander or libel!
Dr. Bitter Hussein Matt @ 45:
I clicked on that link and got a blank page that said, "This account has been suspended"
Ooooooh ..... leave poor Billy alone.
He's trying to defend our President and status queue. It's not easy but the news nitworks ...... er news networks demand an opposing view and since there is no one from the lunatic fringe that passes as the Bush apologist elite that hasn't been wrong it's up to the shameless ....... er, fearless Bill Kristol to carry the torch lit by old bottom tooth himself, William F. Buckley.
Billy-boy looks "sooooo gay" in that picture.
pissed off patricia @ 49:
Yup: http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/16/prominent-neoconservative-site-goes-...
pissed off patricia @ 49:
BTW, Conservapedia may be the next victim, following PNAC, of a fact-based world.
* This time with links
Obama won the Virgin Islands by over 80%,
Idaho by 62%,
Hawaii by 52%,
Alaska by 50%,
Kansas by 48%,
DC by 51%,
and so on.
justabill @ 37:
without looking, I bet he had a total of less than 100K votes with all of those states combined.
The problem with caucuses is few people are allowed to vote. Where in a primary everyone that wants to gets to vote because of the larger block of time.
Crevass @ 40:
Hey New York Times--
Can't you find a better liar than Kristol? Tell you what, I'll work for 25% of his salary and provide stories with 50% more facts.
Remember, folks, he worked on the Quayle campaign...always consider the source.
Dr. Bitter Hussein Matt @ 53:
So what does this mean? Are these sites shutting down or being shut down?
Wasn't Bloody Kristol shilling for Mutt Romney to the bitter end....a guy who lost Arkansas by 47%.
Next thing you know it will be Republicans saying Be Afraid. Very Afraid!
http://tinyurl.com/67dm8g
pissed off patricia @ 59:
PNAC appears to have shut down themselves. Many have speculated cash issues.
I'm not sure about Conservapedia.
Dr. Bitter Hussein Matt @ 4:
I get an error: "This Account Has Been Suspended"
Dr. Bitter Hussein Matt @ 62:
Maybe PNAC was fearful of future investigations into what they have or might have done. There was so much evidence on that site, hopefully someone has screen shots of it.
Maybe he only looked under the couch.
olevet69 @ 58:
There was a Quayle campaign?
pissed off patricia @ 64:
TWhenever the going gets tough, hese chickenhawk neocons drop their principles like they were weapons and run for the hills.
Dan Quayle was no Jack Kennedy. One of the best lines of any debate ever. I remember Quayle looked like he was so embarrassed he might be going to cry.
pissed off patricia @ 64:
They can't hide from the WayBack Machine
pissed off patricia @ 30:
Bet on it.
Just looking at the image of a dirty son of a bitch like him, makes me wish I could become some sort of super hero....
pissed off patricia @ 64:
I'd imagine that Conservapedia doesn't garner too much in donations, and that has gotta be one helluva server they need to service endlessly...and there have gotta be paid employees overseeing that site....yeah, they're just broke. Cry me a river....
GMB @ 65:
Like boosh for WMD's
Or Monica's smeared panties?
Dr. Bitter Hussein Matt @ 69:
Sweet!
The good news for Kristol is...
...let me think on that...
The guys a has been.
Lets get a new topic.
rduke @ 71:
Did someone say, "The Duke"? :D
pissed off patricia @ 49:
What happened,
They got caught saying something dirty?
Roger from Ohio @ 55:
Well, seeing as how I live in a caucus state (KS) and anyone can vote from any party and can register or change your party affiliation right there at the caucus, I call BS. Nothing is more insulting then having someone dismiss your entire state's voting results. There were over 38,000 people turned out here in KS alone. Just because Hillary didn't even show up to compete in caucus states doesn't discount the results. Every candidate had to play by the same rules, and only losers don't play to win.
Dems no doubt will keep Crooks and Liars in business after the cons are gone.
the new york times officially joins fox, where credibility goes to die. I saw the title of an article, then I saw that it was by the KKKrystol Ball of the NeoCons. I did not come close to reading it.
outside of Krugman, Herbert and Rich, there's no reason for the NYTimes to exist.
Andy K Jong Il @ 77:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bw55sR4ec8
ysbaddaden @ 78:
Someone said last night they have suspended service for non payment of internet bills.
Dr. Bitter Hussein Matt @ 53:
Please, NOT Conservapedia!!
So much bullshit and humor in one little site; I'd hate to see it go.
ysbaddaden @ 27:
He doesn't have a mother. He oozed out of a trash-heap, like mold.
The people who would rule the planet can't pay their bills.
Too funny!
xoites (One White Vote for Obama) defends Constitution @ 83:
After awhile monkey porn gets expensive.
As long as we're talking about failed neocons . .
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jared-bernstein/its-our-turn-now_b_102345....
xoites (One White Vote for Obama) defends Constitution @ 86:
The taxpayers pick up the bill.
L.A. Confidential @ 89:
I don't think so, how is that?
didnt the times have to fire a reporter for making shit up?
why does william the bloody still have a gig?
fastfeat @ 84:
You'll still have GodTube.
Blue Lensman @ 88:
To be honest i never tried it their way. It would be nice to know i had something to do with it not working, but there is no doubt it did not work.
Left&Left @ 14:
And your boyfriends. (Not that there's anything wrong with it! right Senator Craig?)
I always thought you had to be a god to look at godtube. Youtube i know i have permision to see.
Batocchio @ 20:
the Times knows that, just like CNN knows about beck.
pissed off patricia @ 30:
They will immediately start doing hit pieces against every move Obama makes!
There was no question.
Buffet endorses Obama:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/19/warren-buffet-backs-obama_n_102...
What does it all mean?
Throw the bum out.
Blue Lensman @ 98:
It means Waren Buffet has an opinion like everybody else?
GAWD, can't they fire this man ?! Like with real fire !
Putting his political beliefs aside . . . he's just fucking dumb and a liar. I mean COME ON NYT. You have GOT to be kidding???
Don't you have a more recent picture of this idiot? This one is at least 1000 years old.
That being said, Kristol never fact-checks because it interferes with his world-view. Just like the Downing Street Memo, Kristol fits the facts around the agenda.
xoites (One White Vote for Obama) defends Constitution @ 95:
I was afraid I would turn to a pillar of salt, but now that I've seen it, I think I'll just claw my eyes out.
Liberty(appeaser)Lover @ 103:
But isn't that what I said in the first comment?
fastfeat @ 104:
I guess i will just have to wait until you hire someone to read my response to you. :)
edgecity @ 31:
Same could be said for WV, presuming they would only vote for white people.
Biddut Miah @ 39:
(D)
BaScOmBe against Bitter Elitist Bullshit @ 108:
:)
This same talking point is making the rounds about how obama can't connect with working class( or if your a repug elitist-lower class) This is just the primary people when it's Mccrazy and obama that's when the fun starts
I mean clinton gets the working class vote why?? I mean haven't you people heard of Nafta and what about the pro rethug bills that clinton has voted for oh and we can't forget welfare reform that didn't do the poor any favors just means they are working three dead end jobs and paying SS tax to pay for the tax cuts to the wealth again
Mike Mid City @ 50:
Quo?
Huh.. He looks just as disgusting in that ten or fifteen year old photo.. No, seriously, he's got the kind of face ya just want to shove your boot thru. Someone should have bitchslapped that goofy grin off his mug years ago....................JD
ysbaddaden @ 56:
*waterspit*
*wipes monitor, desk and keyboard*
"Curse you, YSBadden!!!! This won't dry until tomorrow!"
xoites (One White Vote for Obama) defends Constitution @ 109:
:<[) good to see you!
Moss, Anony @ 63:
that's no error. it's called fleeing to avoid prosecution
Obviously you misread this. He said he can't find a single instance! He was probably looking at the back of cereal boxes. Thus he told the truth. Now I'm waiting for your retraction.
steve d @ 116:
rofl
xoites (One White Vote for Obama) defends Constitution @ 95:
If anybody asks, just say "yes."
I would assume Kristol meant a defeat that large, this late in the campaign. For Obama to lose by 41% with Denver rapidly approaching is a little scary.
"I can’t find a single recent instance of a candidate who ultimately became his party’s nominee losing a primary by this kind of margin."
Maybe recent to Bill means in the last week. :)
McBush lost all these primaries/cauKii by more than 25%:
WY, NV, ME, WV, UT, CO, AR, AK, KS
Kristal has too big a carbon footprint.
Kristol is a fine journalist & a American hero.
Let me go you guys the straps on this new
straight-jacket are too tight.
The Daily Show had the most insightful analysis of the West Virginia primary
Breaking news! Bill Kristol gets facts wrong!
In other news:
Fire is hot.
Water is wet.
The Earth revolves around the Sun.
ysbaddaden @ 35:
Apparently... an elephant penis.
The Bible says: By your children you shall be judged. His won't speak to him. Judge that.
L.A. Confidential @ 80:
Absolutely! We need to hold our government accountable - and that includes both parties.
Blue Lensman @ 105:
Sorry that I didn't read any comments before I posted including yours, but we all need to be reminded that Bushco and neocons designed this war and can't be repeated enough.
Kristol needs to be tried at the Hague for being complicit with the death of over one million Iraqi people as well as 4ooo American soldiers.
Is he wrong or just dissembling like a true propagandist?
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Amitola @ 33:
He’s just a LIAR, that’s all. Nice photo, though. I see his mouth hasn’t changed much since his youth - everytime I see Bill I wonder what was put in his mouth that stretched it all over his face and made his lips so thin!!??
Smilex
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKFeuBfDTso
Apparently… an elephant penis.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZbOdgevxDE
ysbaddaden @ 132:
Man, I luv dat tune.
Hey he did what he set out to do and that is to use the NY Times to spread lies.
He couldn't find his ass with both hands. It's about time that the Times calls him out, fires him and does some penance. Was this all to show just what losers these guys are? Or do the Times editors really respect him? I would certainly lose my job with this much bad reporting. Yes, facts are such liberal values.
I love you guys.It is a pleasure to see this asshole ripped in the nations largeat paper.The problem is that he doesn`t feel an ounce of shame.These guys don`t feel,period.
Irving's boy isn't doing so well.
Kristol and research are oxymorons, like oil and water, or Bush and truthiness, or Bill O' and human decency.
What you forget is that you can be wrong and still be reich. How many of the uneducated, sick repugs that watch FUX (the only kind of people who would watch) do you think care if these guys are correct? These people would much rather BELIEVE something than KNOW it. Facts have a pesky way of being complicated, require thought and change through time. Belief is so simple even a repug can do it.
Love that picture of KKKrystal. Did you get it off his face page at gaysinglesonline.com?
NICE TRY...... BUT SORRY.... HILLARY SAYS UTAH DOESN'T COUNT
Kristol is exactly the level of hackery I expect from such a hack propaganda outlet as the NYT.
So wachoo think of this one?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHkisNZH77Y&feature=related
Kind of reminds me of Spinal Tap.
Thats a stupid comparison. Utah? Utah? Thats a mormon state and Romneys a bloody mormon. Duh, of course he won by a huge margin. What Clinton is doing to Obama in the states she's trouncing Obama is problamatic him winning the general against McCain ESPECIALLY if the rumors are true about MamaObama calling white folk whitey at Wright's church. I would love to see what Obama was doing while she was making those remarks. Did he stand up and give her one of those loud amens
Bill is right. All of your examples above include nominees being beaten by margins other than 41%. Have there ever been any nominees who were beaten by EXACTLY 41%? I don't think so!
"nominees being beaten"
Oh.My.Gosh. I fear for this country. Limpbaugh was right. The Democratic Party really needs to be told how to think.
Ollie North was just a foot soldier, that makes George Herbert Walker Bush the absolute worst person in the world, yet again...and then there are his sons...
jack winter @ 143:
That is not the issue idiot. That is like you saying you cannot find a single nail in the GOP's coffin. Then I respond, "Nope, there's one." so you respond, "Doesn't count, that nail is mormon." Pack up your stupid and take it back to the Fox News blog. We want none of it here.
jack winter @ 145:
This guy is armed with a bunch of stupid given to him by GOP pundits and he is spreading it all over the website. Awhhh it's getting all over everything. Does anyone know how to get stupid out of a blog? Club soda? Bleach?
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