Hagee: Hitler Was Fulfilling God's Will
From the Huffington Post:
John Hagee, the controversial evangelical leader and endorser of Sen. John McCain, argued in a late 1990s sermon that the Nazis had operated on God's behalf to chase the Jews from Europe and shepherd them to Palestine. According to the Reverend, Adolph Hitler was a "hunter," sent by God, who was tasked with expediting God's will of having the Jews re-establish a state of Israel.
Going in and out of biblical verse, Hagee preached: "'And they the hunters should hunt them,' that will be the Jews. 'From every mountain and from every hill and from out of the holes of the rocks.' If that doesn't describe what Hitler did in the holocaust you can't see that."
I wonder if the media will pay as much attention to this as they did Jeremiah Wright?
It sounds like Hagee hates anyone not a member of his 'religion'.
He hates catholics and now insinuates that Jews are to be 'hunted down'?
And McCain is the nominee for what exactly?
McAssenheimer's BFF id back!
by that logic......I guess I can kill someone right now....because who knows what "good" will come out of it somewhere down the historical line.
What meds is this shit-head on?
If I was McCain, I'd wonder if the votes this racist pig might bring to his party are worth the HUGE cost...
Another sign of GOP desperation? Uh huh...
Well, that preacher has some interesting views/interpretations! I definitely would NOT attribute those scriptures to the Nazis! If only we had another book like the Bible that could give us another focal point to bring all these varying and contradicting Christian ideas together!
I EXPECT Tweety to have this on tonight. Over and over and over and over and over and over and over.
Of course John Gibson will still be playing (along with his hand in his pants) the Wright tapes.
Sadly, statements like Hagee will only result in more reich-wing votes for McBush.
Why is it that God only speaks to right-wing nutbags?
I think most people would agree that this is far more egregious than anything Rev. Wright has said. Yet I'm pretty sure McCain doesn't agree with what this guy is saying. For us liberals to try and pin these remarks on McCain would be just as bad as the Rev. Wright fiasco and what people were trying to do to Obama. Don't fall into that trap. We're better than that. Let's prove it.
That being said, it'll be interesting to see how the media handles this.
Boring Scott @ 9:
Because they are... Oh never mind, I will only get into trouble.
BIG AND OILY
and you can start with Hagee... that steamin' bucket of crap!
Please tell me you're making this up. If not, the Wanker Hall Of Fame awaits this guy.
discolapin @ 10:
*crickets chirping*
I was going through the channels on my tv the other day, and this bloated tick "hagee" was spewin' some shit about how george w. bush was appointed by god, and prophesied about in the 19th century. He had a couple of rabbi shills sittin' with him and they were pitchin' the shit about the rethuglickin' party line and support of right wing isreal. The rabbis sat there straight faced while haggee talked this shit about the prophesy of gwb. It's gaaaawdz laaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhw.
Colbert and Daily Show are off so no hope this makes the air. Real news people are too stupid.
discolapin @ 10:
Nonsense!! We have been better than that for too fucking long. And what has it got us? You have to attack them the only way they understand. IN THEIR FACE WITH THEIR HYPOCRISY.
Attack Hagee, but get the context straight.
This has nothing to do with racism or hatred or anything else. I'm not defending the guy in the least, believe me, but to him and zealots like him, the Jews and Nazis are merely cogs in the Armageddon-Rapture machine. They are actors in a play with a script that is the Bible. They see all of the actions of modern human history as inevitable steps toward the End Times. Hagee's organization defends Jews and the state of Israel only as a practical matter because they are God's instrument to take the believers to heaven. He doesn't care about them as people in the least.
Actually, I hope the McBush Stream Media leaves this issue alone. After two months plus straight of the Wright non-story, it turns out that Obama still leads McCain in November match . Oops.
ZombieOne @ 18:
And you point is?
Boring Scott @ 9:
God doesn't. Right-wing nutbags only THINK God speaks to them and them alone because they are "special" in their own eyes.
John Hagee needs to go the way of the dinosaur. He's a heretical kook. And what's more..anti-Semitic. The ugly side of Christianity rises again, it appears. John Hagee does not speak for all Christians, and many of us want him to STFU.
It's at times like this when I wish there was a Stalin or Lenin figure willing to deal with these fuckers. John Hagee and his ilk are the American equivalent of the Nazis. We need leftist radicals equivalent to the Communists to stand up, simply because they aren't going to be satisfied with mere words forever...
Hagee is one sick critter.
"Adolph Hitler was a “hunter,” sent by God, who was tasked with expediting God’s will.."
Apparently he was a hell of a dancer as well.
Pol Pot-O-Cheesesauce @ 15:
I caught Hagee on teevee the other night too (on BET of all channels). He was spewin' some shit too about marriage and how women who "think too much" end up "getting in trouble with GAWD".
What bothered me the most was that every camera shot of the audience showed them all taking notes - I kid you not. When was the last time you took notes in church?
Hagee is one true sick sumbitch.
Let's all start trying to make a stronger distinction between "hearing voices" and "hearing the voice of God". I think the former probably applies in this case.
Captain Bitter Elitist Husein Kangaroo Says:
Nonsense!! We have been better than that for too fucking long. And what has it got us? You have to attack them the only way they understand. IN THEIR FACE WITH THEIR HYPOCRISY.
I'm a little sick of gotcha politics. I'm tired of rolling in the mud with the pigs. The pigs enjoy it too much and you just end up muddy.
Captain Bitter Elitist Husein Kangaroo @ 20:
I guess I should have made that more clear, huh? My point is that as bad as racism is, Hagee's deal is a hell of a lot scarier to me than any of that could ever be. The man and his followers pray on their knees every night for an escalation of war in the Middle East, and he's got the ear of some people who have the means to make that escalation happen. Radical Islam and Hagee's folks are on the same path, if you want to look at it that way.
His followers seem even sicker, BTW
ZombieOne @ 28:
A mutual suicide pact between Iranian Twelver Shias and American Dominionists? Sounds like a bad pulp sci-fi novel!
Right-wing nut jobs are called "right-wing nutjobs" for this exact reason. why does it surprise people when these ding dongs say silly shit? To wit, why should it be surprising that the GOP presumptive nominee chased this fruitcake's endorsement? Now all we need is for the msm to stop calling the GOP nominee a maverick and follow this lead to it's bitter end.
ZombieOne @ 18:
Actually, what Hagee pushes is called "Replacement Theology". They believe that the church has now taken the place given by God to the nation of Israel and Christians are now God's chosen people. Hagee and his followers are hanging around waiting for the Rapture, which they think will not happen until all of the Jews have returned to Israel and the temple is rebuilt. Then they think they will have a free ride straight up.
There are many things wrong with this interpretation that I won't bother to go into here. But you are right by saying he and his kind don't give a flying f*ck about Israel or the Jews. Israel knows this full well, but are willing to go along with the nuts for the time being because they are pushing the Israeli agenda.
Twisted from every angle.
Boring Scott @ 9:
Because they're more likely to hear voices, or see magical beings than a sane person.
Of course, they could be lying, when they say they see or hear 'god', in all his bearded, robe wearing, glory. Neocon crazies lie ALL the time.
'He sounds just like Charles Heston!'
Such statements are usually followed by, "Do what I told you he said or you'll burn in hell."
Bitter Bud @ 25:
I used to shoot b-roll for a friend of mine who has a video production company and a church client, and we were shooting at an 'evangelical event' and people were taking notes. I have never done that. BTW, it took a while for my friend to get paid, but he did get his money eventually.
4 Words...Don't count on it!
The statements "God sent Hitler" and "God loves us all" are not at all contradictory once you set down that path of belief in omnipotent beings that are completely invisible and completely silent. Believers in such things must suffer the consequences that anyone can claim to know the will of invisible and silent beings.
General_Rennenkampf @ 30:
I guess I should have made that more clear, huh? My point is that as bad as racism is, Hagee's deal is a hell of a lot scarier to me than any of that could ever be. The man and his followers pray on their knees every night for an escalation of war in the Middle East, and he's got the ear of some people who have the means to make that escalation happen. Radical Islam and Hagee's folks are on the same path, if you want to look at it that way.
A mutual suicide pact between Iranian Twelver Shias and American Dominionists? Sounds like a bad pulp sci-fi novel!
And you've got William Kristol directing, Joe Lieberman writing the script and John McInsane starring in the film adaptation.
Right....and this is the founder of CUFI. Geesh. Yeah, don't hold your breath on media attention to this FUBAR statement.
Bitter Bud @ 25:
I take notes in church every week. But they are notes on Greek verb tense and reminders to check translations here or to check a fact historically in another section.
Gee, I guess I think too much.
Boring Scott Says: Why is it that God only speaks to right-wing nutbags?
Is it the tongue thing?
Scott Hussein @ 37:
A mutual suicide pact between Iranian Twelver Shias and American Dominionists? Sounds like a bad pulp sci-fi novel!
And you've got William Kristol directing, Joe Lieberman writing the script and John McInsane starring in the film adaptation.
If that's so, McPapen and Lieberman will be among the first to die, once the nukes start flying like Maybugs and Jebus doesn't show up to rescue them. I've heard this suicide pact theory before. It's looking more and more like the case....
Well, of course they were...If you buy the notion that God controls everything and that every human action is in fact "God's Will" (I don't) then you must buy this one too.
I wonder if the media will pay as much attention to this as they did Jeremiah Wright?
AHHHH HA HA HA HA yeahright.
“‘And they the hunters should hunt them,’ that will be the Jews. ‘From every mountain and from every hill and from out of the holes of the rocks.’
Describes any genocidal activity by man. Dude's twistin' logic.
There are some people who will say anything to make money. Professing to be some sort of religious leader is the easiest way in the world to do this. You can spout anything you like about what is going to happen in the future or after death and there is no way in hell anyone can prove you wrong. Plus there are people desperate to believe anything and they will follow these charlatans and hand them money forever if they think it's going to get them into heaven. By the time death occurs, it's too late for them to get their money back, plus there are dozens if not hundreds more waiting to go down the same path.
Morning Folks
God must be geeky if he has buddies like Hagee that he hangs and talks with. Falwell was from the same pack, little roundities whith loud mouths who claim to be talking to some spiritual entity. (# Schizophrenia, # Psychosis, # Psychotic depression)
Their holynesses need Tin-Foil-Hats.
Yes, religion rears it's ugly head again. Screw god, screw religion and screw the religious!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
♠Bangkok-Bob♠ @ 46:
Life is a bit scarier when you have people in power who believe that "it's Gods will." I mean... 6 million people are murdered... it's Gods will.. it's a prophesy. This man doesn't preach love and compassion, he preaches fear. Love they neighbour... or else... God.... He's gonna GET you!
What a sickening freak McCain has allied himself with.
Not surprising when one considers the moral train wreck named McCain, who else would he seek out other than a nutjob like Hagee?
Don D C @ 44:
A better example of what "Pastor" Hagee would be referring to would be the AD 70 and Bar-Kokhba Rebellions, but of course, Hagee's too stupid to know about those to begin with.
“And they the hunters should hunt them,’ that will be the Jews. ‘From every mountain and from every hill and from out of the holes of the rocks."
That could apply to anything genocidal. Describes any genocidal activity by man against man, vegetable, mineral. If your looking to apply it that is.
Anytime the media wants to know what Hagee is saying they can turn on what my kids always called 'The Jesus Channel' (don't know the real name) and watch him. Or they can order the tapes of his sermons which he sells for a 'love gift.' They don't want to know because they lo-o-o-ve St. John the Maverick and won't hear anything negative about him. I sometimes watch the show because it's like being an anthropologist observing the rituals of an alien tribe.
Evangelicals are freaks and Hagel and McSame are no exception. They make my flesh creep.
Powkat @ 53:
Thanks, that was great! My sides are killing me from laughing. Your right, and now I will crack up every time I hear some whack=job going off.
"Your daughter can get an abortion at a public school without telling you." - Pastor John Hagee
"I'm very proud to have Pastor John Hagee's support." - John McCain
pete @ 50:
Yah, and McCain is completely disassociated with this character outside of Seeking his endorsement. No endorsement = no association.
I've been watching this guy on TV for years. You never know what is going to come out of his mouth next. The guy is absolutely hilarious. I always thought that he was some kind of christian comedian. I never realized that people actually take him seriously and send him money. I don't know whether I should feel disgust or pity towards his followers. How could anybody be so dumb as to take him serious?
My first job, I worked at a Denny's. We had a few people that got the crazy money from SSI come in during the graveyard shift. They were really fascinating to talk too. They would just go off on these bizarre conspiracy theories about UFOs, Jesus, Hitler, the JFK shooting, Israel, and the End Times.
It's entertaining to listen too; but, I just can't comprehend someone taking somebody like that serious.
They had a guy on Fox this afternoon. He is a believer or whatever of Yaewah. His name is Yisrayl Hawkins. He's the head of some religious compound that puts kids to work at 14 and apparently has multiple wives etc. He talked about something caused a "nuclear baby" which was coming and would blow up and kill four fifths of the world's population.
This guy has been indicted for some crime but I never heard what it was.
Shepard Smith asked this guy what caused global warming. The guy responded that it was caused by sexually transmitted diseases which are in the rocks, water, dirt and air all around us. At that point Shepard had even had enough and said he didn't even understand why the guy had been invited to be on the show and cut off the interview.
My point here is you can find some religious, weird, sick son of a bitch under just about any rock.
A lot of evil and crazy folks use religion as their cover or excuse for whatever they do.
Powkat @ 53:
You are much stronger than I am. I am (disclaimer again) a Christian and I can't watch that dirtbag for more than 30 seconds without working myself into a rage. Heck, my PASTOR can't even watch him. When his words aren't filled with hate on some level his theology is just plain wrong or his greed gets in the way.
What yanks my chain the worst though is when people see so much of Hagee, Robertson and Falwell they assume we (non-denominational Christians) are all running after one of these guys, forking over cash and drooling with every word they speak.
Of course this sounds shocking.
But even a brief reflection on what God-botherers actually believe will show you that this is perfectly consistent with their overall insanity.
If you really believe in an omnipotent, omniscient god who has a 'plan' for the world, then any horrific event, any barbarism must fit into that plan.
Those Chinese schoolchildren who might yet be lying, slowly dying under that rubble?
God's plan.
Millions dead in WWII?
God's plan.
Slaughter in Iraq?
God's plan.
God is all-powerful, but CHOOSES not to intervene to prevent or alleviate the most grotesque sufferings imaginable.
That's your 'merciful' god, for you.
AndrewK @ 57:
Wha? Was that an attempt at humor?
Birds of a nutjob feather flock together.
McCranky / Hagee '08
there's no point in parsing his logic, but I can't help but wonder how the good reverend justifies the effort of the greatest generation to stop Hitler... a part of God's plan, or were they serving the forces of cosmic evil? no, I don't care what he might or did say on the topic. really, he's said plenty.
Well I wonder if the JEWISH community will be outrage at this are will they give the good Rev. a pass just like they did George Bush and his family, but they don't trust Obama because of Rev. Wright, I think this is more about who is can say what. George Bush Family fortune was made on the backs of dead JEWS from the NAZI labor camp, not a word. Rev. Hagee say that GOD sent Hilter and the NAZI to hunt down the JEWS and send them to the middle east after the holocaust and what do both of the men have in common, JOHN McCain, and still not a word, my guess if this had came fron Rev. Wright, the JEWS community would be up in arms, just like they were a few weeks ago, even though the Rev. wright had said nothing a bout harm to the JEWISH community. But with George Bush,Rev. Hagee and John McCain, not a word.
Someone gave McCain some really bad advice when they told him to seek Hagee's endorsement. McCain should have fired that person as soon as he became aware of what Hagee was all about. I don't think McCain agrees with a word Hagee says, but now he's associated with him and can't shake him. He may have wanted some right wing fundamentalists ministers to support him to make him appealing to the religious right, but I doubt seriously that he wanted this one. So who is running McCain's campaign, McCain or some highly uninformed idiot.
pissed off patricia @ 59:
Yeah and John McSame found Hagee under a rock and latched on to him like he was the second coming and that is why ever one of the people who screamed when they played the Wright tapes should be FORCED to take notice.
And I guess that gassing 6 million of them along with 3 or 4 million other 'mongrol' races was just alllll part of that sheparding thingy ehh Hagee??? All part of God's big plan huh.... Jeebus freaking Crimminy on a pogo stick, what a complete total tool!!!! JD
redsaunas @ 61:
That's why my concept of monotheism bears more resemblance to dystheism than classic Christianity.
The US economic apartheid model of imperialism has contributed to the deaths of more people from economic and military means, than the Third Reich did.
#61,
I thought it was a LOVNG god.
pissed off patricia @ 65:
I think McCain made this call all on his own. There are many people associated with the religious right who are no longer 'right', thanks to Bush. I know many people in my church voted Bush; some of them twice. Not a one supports him now and almost every last one have been following the democrats in the primaries with new interest. These people have never voted anything but republican and I doubt their parents had.
I'm pretty sure McCain is well aware that the low approval ratings Bush has been pulling is full well an indicator of how much faith the faithful have in his party. An endorsement from a major televangelist would bring his whole flock into the fold of McCain. I'm surprised he hasn't asked others... but he may have.
pissed off patricia @ 59:
I went for a walk through my neighborhood about six months ago, and this Yisrayl guy that you are talking about had been through the area. There were these fliers that were four pages long talking about this end time 'nuclear baby'. I picked up several to let some of my friends read the b.s. It was pretty stupid. I'm glad that Faux punked themselves by putting this yahoo on the air.
Rebel Patriot @ 69:
So did Stalin's and Mao's definitions of proletarian utopias. For that matter, so did Tojo's State Shinto regime.
We've killed a bunch, yes, but we are hardly exceptional in doing so in that long sad litany of horror and poverty called human history.
"Why is it that God only speaks to right wing nutbags?"
-or, Why is it that these right wing nutbags always assume the the voices reverberating in their empty skulls is God?
pete @ 62:
Humour?
We wouldn't be having this conversation (outside of wild speculation if McCain) didn't accept Hagee's endorsement. Basically, McCain has embraced him. He's embraced a guy he should be distancing himself from. Why conflate the association? Isn't it bad enough?
General_Rennenkampf @ 73:
Actually we have been quite exceptional. Prof. David Ray Griffin has estimated that since 1945 when the US assumed dominance of the world economy, that nearly 190 million people per decade have been needlessly lost due to the economic model of imperialism, not to mention the actual military conflicts the US has either participated in, or was a proxy to. However, the largest loss of life has come from the exploitation of the economic models.
So we have a problem with the media taking obama to task for his religious affiliations... Why then do we continue to bring up all of these associations for McCain? I understand that you want to prove a point about the hypocrisy, but that's been done and now we should move on..
What an ugly, fat pig with an even fatter mouth!
That man absolutely disgusts me! Abortion at a
public schools...fuck you Hagee you lying sack of
human waste, YOU should have been an abortion.
The irony is that after all the Wright non-issue, what's the book he quotes?
Jeremiah.
I lol'd. he even said "Jeremiah, righty?" heh heh heh. Even when they're too busy hanging themselves, they unconsciously try to twist the knife just a little more.
Knob.
john @ 64:
The state of Israel knows where the money is. Hagee is a pusher for financial and/or military backing for Israel. They don't care if he is only looking out for himself - they know he's crazy.
If a crazy guy wanted to give you tons of cash, no strings, would you turn it down or take the bucks and tolerate him like he was your weird uncle?
Why didn't God just buy train tickets for them?
Rebel Patriot @ 76:
So how many did the Soviets and Maoists kill?
Not knocking the statistics, but Communism is far from a rosy alternative.
What a whack job. Poor McCain :)
General_Rennenkampf @ 82:
Yes.. we can learn a lot knowing that our system is just 'evil' and not 'really evil' like those other guys.
AndrewK @ 84:
No, Capitalism and Communism are equally evil. You don't think North Korea is a paradise, do you? They're the last true Communist state on the planet (even Cuba is liberalizing. In the same way, for those not of the small elite encouraged by a Capitalist state, life ain't that fun.
General_Rennenkampf @ 82:
I am well aware of the losses from both those regimes. However, they have not been the dominant role players in the world economy - and that is primarily a predatory capitalist model, with emphasis on predatory. I think the statistic of 190 million per decade speaks for itself.
190 million x 6.5 decades = 1235 million lives lost due to the economic model that the US champions and bears responsibility for.
thats 1.2 billion lives right?
Yeah, McCain had some nerve sitting for twenty years listening to this racist, misogynistic, homophobic, xenophobic, America hating...OOPS that's obamalamadingdong and his spiritual "mentor" the Rev. Wright. McCain just hit up the crazy man for some bucks and votes. Yeah, Wright and Hagee are pretty dispickable examples but typical jof how retarded you gotta be to live your life by a superstition based view of the universe. Or at least insist evrybody ELSE live their life that way. So McCain does it for expediancy, obamalamadingdong spends twenty YEARS soaking up and bathing in Rev Wrights version of the WORD!!!!
Rebel Patriot @ 86:
let me provide a citation just so I am not pulling the numbers out of my ass.
reference: David Ray Griffin, 2006, Christian Faith and the Truth Behind 9-11 p. 170-176
Those Chinese schoolchildren who might yet be lying, slowly dying under that rubble?
God’s plan.
Millions dead in WWII?
God’s plan.
Slaughter in Iraq?
God’s plan.
God is all-powerful, but CHOOSES not to intervene to prevent or alleviate the most grotesque sufferings imaginable.
That’s your ‘merciful’ god, for you.
Don't kid yourself. That apologetic has nothing whatsoever to do with God.
Also, I used to go to a Southern Baptist church where people took notes, sometimes even writing in the margins of their Bibles. Sometimes it's a matter of devotion and study, and sometimes it's a way to stay awake during the sermon.
:-)
this explains everything!
General_Rennenkampf @ 85:
No, Capitalism and Communism are equally evil. You don't think North Korea is a paradise, do you? They're the last true Communist state on the planet (even Cuba is liberalizing. In the same way, for those not of the small elite encouraged by a Capitalist state, life ain't that fun.
You are essentially defending your "D" in science by pointing to the kid next to you that got an "F." No one is saying that Soviet Russia is a better model. It's being said that our way of doing things has negative results. Personally, I'm not happy with a low grade just because the guy next to me got something lower.
Looney Tunes is a lot more than just a cartoon production company.
Holy Crap.
No they won't treat it the same way. And shame to every democrat who doesn't bring out this as an example of media bias every time a they are asked a gotcha question, or a question about obama's perception, by the same media.
The "MSM's" seeming approval of McBush and his endorsement by "Rev" Hagee is proof of how fucked this country is.
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pinkobait @ 24:
Yes, terrific dancer-- not many people know that.
Back to the topic... To be fair to Pastor Hagee we should acknowledge that Hitler also thought he was doing god's will.
Some "friend of Isreal" Hagee is. Why do so many Jew suck up to this nutjob?
Geroge Arndt @ 98:
As I explained above, its all about the money. See my response at #80.
So? If you believe in an invisible old man in the sky that created the universe, its not incorrect to make any statement: [event] was god's will.
Rebel Patriot @ 86:
Ah, yes. Capitalism and Communism are equally evil, but owing to the fact that the dominant capitalist power was untouched by WWII and the USSR was completely ravaged, I can easily see where this is coming from.
We were in a very fortunate position, post-WWII, the USSR...not so much. Power imbalances produce problems no matter who the greater part of the imbalance is. So, yeah, this makes a devil of a lot of sense.
AndrewK @ 91:
You are essentially defending your "D" in science by pointing to the kid next to you that got an "F." No one is saying that Soviet Russia is a better model. It's being said that our way of doing things has negative results. Personally, I'm not happy with a low grade just because the guy next to me got something lower.
Neither am I.
Maybe Olbermann will report this latest unbelievable Hagee-ism?
Filthy Harry @ 100:
If Hagee believes he talks to God, he's wrong. God told me so! :)
Unless McCain was married by Hagee and was sitting in his church for 10-20 years, the author's comparison between Hagee and Wright is wrong. Probably a better comparison would be between Hagee and Louis Farrakhan -- Hagee endorses McCain; Farrakhan endorses Obama. I don't see Barack catching too much grief for Farrakhan's support, in spite of Farrakhan's well-publicized anti-Semitic remarks. Hagee is a bad seed, but his relationship to McCain is no where near what Obama's has been with Wright.
Leslie [Hussein] @ 103:
Olbermann is too busy blustering about Hilary to care about this...
Well Mark I never heard Farrakhan say anything about how Hilter was God plan to hunt down JEWS, yes he have call them name but never have I heard him bring Hilter into the conversation, McCain when looking for Rev. Hagee for his support knowing what kind of man he was, so the dog you have isn't hunting this time around.
Was he talking about 'God's will', or 'God's swill'?
I think it was the latter.
106 Mark:
Leslie [Hussein] @ 103:
Maybe Olbermann will report this latest unbelievable Hagee-ism?
Olbermann is too busy blustering about Hilary to care about this…
You would be wrong there. He is doing story on exactly this topic. Tune in why dontcha? Oh I forget, Olbermann is now the Great Satan because he isn't carrying Hillary's water.
Hagee is a bigoted scumbag. That said, there are plenty of people who really do think everything that happens is "God's Will." Hagee's still appalling, though.
Therefore McCain also supports Hilter.
Mark @ 106:
Really? Olbermann just repoted on it.
LunaStick @ 109:
Yeah, I just watched Olbermann go on at length about Hagee...he's doing it again now!
Hey, welcome to my neighborhood. Literally. Hagee's church is just a mile down the road from where I sit typing this out. He is one scary ass dude. Read Matt Taibbi's excerpt from his book about going undercover in the Cornerstone Church. Got plenty of sheep here, willing to be led to the good reverend's tune! This is Texas, after all!
http://www.alternet.org/rights/84043?page=1
LunaStick @ 109:
Can't. I'm still working at the office trying to earn a living, so I won't catch the countdown until it cycles through again later tonight...
hagee must have a nazi uinform in his closet. this guy is a little wart faced facist.
There is no shortage of crackpot preachers of every stripe. For that matter, even the most orthodox of Catholic doctrines (I am a Roman Catholic) sound pretty weird from the right (or wrong, depending where you stand) vantage. Check out the dogma of the Assumption or the Immaculate Conception, for example(s).
But they are all a distraction from the real and important issues to be decided this year. Hagee is not McCain; Obama is not Wright.
Sounds like the typical evangelical dribble.
I don't suppose anyone bothered to confirm this stuff? You Jews have a way of transmogrifying the most innocuous blather into Anti Semitic raving.
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Wow. Hagee has an interesting theory there. So umm... God killed off 6 million of his chosen people before herding them to Israel?
Sadly, in this day & age the only way to get the most ridiculous, crackpot ideas legitimacy is to put them under the banner of 'religion'. Stupid ideas are treated as stupid ideas in every other aspect of life.
You people love these Christofascists when they beg President Pus to send more cluster bombs and Napalm to Jenin and thousand pounders to Iran. Don't we all pray that the World will end soon so that Jemushilah will be reresurrected?
Monte Haun [Deleted, Spam. #2. Site Monitor]
Now, maybe when the MSM reports this as the thoughts of McCain's religious guru, the same way they reported on Wright as Obama's guru, the MSM will have some degree of credibility. Until then, they are obviously partisan as they represent the corporate party line.
Press Objectivity? I think that I'm dreaming as I sleepwalk.
Well, just was watching Nightline on ABC and looks like Good Morning America will be covering "McCains" pastor. Whether it has traction will be a big question...
i say let it be for right now. let Mccain go through the primaries unvetted... cause once this shit starts coming out in the general election, he's gonna get thrashed. between Hagee, and his racial slurs about asians, John Mccain's gonna get hit in a landslide.
why isn't this being covered as much as the Rev. Wright controversy
Psalm 2:1-12 (ESV)
1 Why do the nations rage and the peoples plot in vain?
2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the Lord and against his Anointed, saying,
3 “Let us burst their bonds apart and cast away their cords from us.”
4 He who sits in the heavens laughs; the Lord holds them in derision.
5 Then he will speak to them in his wrath, and terrify them in his fury, saying,
6 “As for me, I have set my King on Zion, my holy hill.”
7 I will tell of the decree: The Lord said to me, “You are my Son; today I have begotten you.
8 Ask of me, and I will make the nations your heritage, and the ends of the earth your possession.
9 You shall break them with a rod of iron and dash them in pieces like a potter’s vessel.”
10 Now therefore, O kings, be wise; be warned, O rulers of the earth.
11 Serve the Lord with fear, and rejoice with trembling.
12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and you perish in the way, for his wrath is quickly kindled. Blessed are all who take refuge in him.
It aways amazes me of those Christians that live in the Old Testament when Christianity was born of leaving the Old jealous, damning, smiting and smoting God behind.
New testament bringing in the era of big forgiveness. No smiting. Follow the words and teachings of Christ. Which unbonds one from ever lasting damnation of the old testament.
Hagee is one of those that bobs in and out of both old and new. Like trying to use a telegragh instead of email in these days.
Mr Hagee is a religious zealot, who would shread the Constitution and use it for a bookmark in his Bible. What he preaches isn't God's love, instead Mr Hagee preaches about God's wrath. I've felt closer to God whenever I read or hear about God's love, then I ever have being made afraid of God's wrath. Mr Hagee stop hiding behind the Bible as you spread your message of fear & hate.
Min @ 89:
Southern Baptists who can write????? Wouldn't that make them Methodists?
discolapin @ 10:
The Kerry campaign was "better than that" when the Swift Boat Veterans started. Look where that got us.
Now we just need a handful of people to stand silently in a Hitler salute among every McCain appearance. I was at a speech by Nelson Rockefeller during the Vietnam War days when a small number of people in war surplus jackets and white face silently stood at attention staring unblinkingly at Rockefeller. He totally cracked. "How am I expected to talk with all this, this --- DISRUPTION!"
Why bother with what he said in the nineties? He's on TV every Sunday with his multimedia America-in-flames presentations that are hardly less bigoted and inflammatory.
If you stick with what he said way back when, you open yourself to the "oh, that's old news, that's history, who cares, besides he's probably changed since then like whats-is-name, Robert Byrd." That's worked really well for the right ever since Georgie boy cheated on the first election. You know: Get over it.
In my neighborhood he's on right before George Stephanopoulos. Check him out, but don't have anything heavy in your hands, because you'll be tempted to fling it at the screen.
(I tried calling his number to try and get a human being, but it's all automated. Something about money.)
Count Typo @ 129:
HA!
redsaunas @ 61:
You forgot the thousands dying right now in Burma!
"your daughter can get an abortion at public school without telling you"?!?!!!??
Wow. No wonder so many republican voters support the party's anti-education policies; I had no idea right-wing preachers were spewing this level of filth. What kind of person would believe such a blatant lie though?
Isn't this just another "good ol white boy" saying what other "good ol white boys" want to hear?
Just questions
Is Osama Bin Laden Hagee's choir boy?
St. Paul Scout @ 4:
He's high on Jebus....
Seriously though...this shit should be plastered on every news network...I mean...didn't America used to fuckin HATE nazis? I sure as hell do!
Count Typo @ 129:
Or Pentecostals?
Julian @ 135:
Glad to know my daughter can get an abortion at school. With gas prices what they are, I can't afford to drive her to school AND the abortion clinic...
Jared Wolfhope @ 16:
I know. I really miss those show when they are in rerun.
Notice how Sean Hannity and FOX said nothing about this Hagee Hitler comment.
Mark @ 105:
A relationship is a relationship. Stop the bullshit. You know if Obama had been related to Hagee, FOX would be all over this. Now you are saying, well, he was sitting in his Church 10-20 years. You are a hypocrite.
So this guy believes the Holocaust was a good thing? And John McCain thinks Pastor Hagee's endorsement is a good thing? Conclusion: Voting for McCain is NOT a good thing.
I wonder if Mr. Hagee would agree that John McCain is also "fulfilling God's will."
Let me get this straight. God had Hitler "shepherd" the Jews--via the gas chambers-to Palestine. And Hitler followed God's will. WOW! That's surely a God I want to follow! All kindness and love and all. Since 6 million got sidetracked along the way due to Hitler's mod e of transportation they didn't reach Palestine except in spirit. Is that OK? Where does Hagee come from ???
Facts are facts. No Holocaust. No Israel. The very thing Hitler tryed to erradicate, gave birth to Israel. Hagee is not saying that the whole mess was OK.
It's a fact. The fact that Hitler was only 30 Klms away from Moscow, and thurned turned to Kiev. It's a fact. Divine intervention? Think what you will. Facts are facts. Don't ridicule others just because you don't know the facts.
This appears to strengthen the theory that Bush is god's tool. And to strengthen arguments comparing Him to Hitler(tm). And it supports accusations that Bush is on a Jihad/Crusade against them (there's more than one kind?) Muslims. How nice to have god's assurance.
Seems god failed to choose the best tool in Hitler(tm). "A supreme being failing" seems a bit oxymoronic.
E Pleb Neesta
GODISNOWHERE
Beware the Red State Menace
The Declaration of Independence says “Nature’s god” once and “their creator” once.
The Constitution has no mention of either. In particular no “so help me god” in the president’s oath of office. If I tacked on “so help me Loki” or “so help me Fred, my daughter” or “so help me, me” would it still count?
Hardly grounds for defining us as a christian nation.
Am I the only person to question what this guy is saying? Not that it's reich or wrong, but that it's just blithering nonsense. The guy doesn't know what he is talking about and is just simply putting one English word after another. There isn't any gramatical sense or inherent meaning to what he is saying. It's imposible to argue against what he says because it's like arguing with a crazy guy at the Grey Hound bus station. If I could find one coherent thread in what he said I would be surprised.
Recently Frank Rich of the New York Times try to make a comparison between Obama's Reverend Wright situation and John Hagee backing McCain. this is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Don't believe me? Check out this article Another Comparison Between John Hagee and Jeremiah Wright.
I would love to help the world in any way I can. The first step would be to watch John Hagee [deleted--do not wish that on anyone on this site] And the only one that could save him was a Holocaust survivor who managed to survive and not reach the Promised Land. He is the worst kind of predator-a self serving arrogant hypocrit. Burn in Hell you motherfucker!
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