What does McCain mean by 'we'?
There was a vote last night in the Senate on the war supplemental, which included the Webb/Hagel GI Bill. The spending bill, including the expanded education benefits for veterans, passed overwhelmingly (92 to 6), and will be added to the $165 billion that the House and Senate have already approved for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
The roll-call is online; every Democrat, and most Republicans, voted for the bill. John McCain, as is now common, didn’t show up for work. Barack Obama was there, and he voted for the funding.
What’s especially interesting, though, is McCain’s response to last night’s vote.
Is that so. How can McCain be “happy” to promote a bill that “we” passed to help veterans with their education benefits, when McCain opposed the Webb/Hagel GI Bill from the beginning? He actively fought against it. Indeed, McCain’s opposition nearly scuttled the bill.
What’s more, when the Obama campaign began hitting McCain over this, he got pretty touchy about it.
And now he wants voters to think he supported the bill all along? That “we” — by implication, including himself — increased “educational benefits for our veterans”?
Even by McCain standards, this is pretty outrageous.
A lying Republican? Nevah!
My Friends, I fought very hard on this bill.
Just another fake christian republican liar. Typical.
It's not like the media would call him on it my friends.
When my wife sez, "When are WE going to get that back yard cleaned up?"
Of course she means 'When are YOU going to...?'
Then she'll say, "We gotta get that front yard mowed."
Of course she means, "YOU gotta get..."
That's all McSame is doing... talkin' like the lady of the house who really does not think it's her job to clean up some of the ole messes around the place.
His ability to lie without accountability started with Nancy Pelosi's "impeachment is off the table". Voters hear what they want to hear from John McCain and he has every position on every issue, so how can he lose? It's a winnable strategy at this point in time. This point in time being no accountability. If America wants another liar, they have it with John McCain. They also have a liar in Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid. And now Barack Obama and his support of Telecom Immunity. So much for change you can believe in.
There's one of three possiblilities.
We as in the republicans and the Democrats working bipartisan (although it was mostly Democrats)
We as in the Republican Party
Or mccain needs to we-we but condi's not there to give him permission.
See you shouldn't bring up things like this. We need to give Krusty a lot of slack.
To be fair, McCain's opposition to the bill must have come several days ago. Since then he has probably changed his position a dozen or more times. The man seems to be in a state of constant flux. He reminds me of that line from Alice in Wonderland: "I knew who I was when I got up this morning, but I must have changed several times since then."
Yet another (extremely) prominent politician tries to make someone else's idea his own...not to mention supporting in retrospect. 20/20 vision is always there in hindsight, right? I look forward to Saturday's pundits proclaiming how McCain did not "flip-flop", he just "met the challenge".
like a cosmic pinata, like a paper mache challenge issued by the heavens, like a centaur with the torso of mister magoo...
john mccain remains the gift that shall continue giving...
Why do we try to make any rational sense of what John McCain says or does? It doesn't do any good. He is irrational. Irrational people will drive you crazy. It is passive-aggressive behavior. Sad that America will have another one for President for another 4 to 8 years. By then the completion of turning the USA into a third world country will be complete. It's 3/4 done now.
i am looking forward to mcfuckhead's first public
brain freeze when he loses control and goes
off on someone. this fucker will say anything
and since he was not for the bill, did not show up
to vote for or against, he should keep his
fucking mouth shut when claiming he supported
the vote for the veterans.
when in reality HE DOES NOT !!!!!!!!!
A large proportion of those who would vote for mccain are of the "mouthbreather" type, and they would vote for him even if he ate their babies in front of them.
For mccain, it really doesn't matter how many lies, how many criminal acts, how many flip-flops he tells, partakes in or makes.
The fact is that most people in this country vote without knowing who they are voting for no matter what side of the political spectrum they inhabit. People are just generally too lazy to do their jobs as voters and perform the required "due-diligence" before putting that "x" beside their candidate's name.
And that is why we are in the mess we are currently enjoying - don't forget, people voted for the most corrupt and incompetent bunch of thieves in almost a hundred years TWICE, even after they saw how much bush et al fucked up the first time they stole the election.
We get what we deserve.
How can McCain be “happy” to promote a bill that “we” passed to help veterans with their education benefits, when McCain opposed the Webb/Hagel GI Bill from the beginning? He actively fought against it. Indeed, McCain’s opposition nearly scuttled the bill.
What’s more, when the Obama campaign began hitting McCain over this, he got pretty touchy about it.
And now he wants voters to think he supported the bill all along? That “we” — by implication, including himself — increased “educational benefits for our veterans”?
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That is in fact pretty scummy.
Lone Ranger: "I think we're cornered, Tonto."
Tonto: "What choo mean we, kimosabe?"
Question is when will the SCLM call him on this...This a major league fib.
He's had so many brain malfunctions already from the bottled hot water for dehydrated babies to vetoing every "beer" the media doesn't even listen to what he says anymore....
This is first-rate comedy - Keith is gonna be on this one, and likely Colbert. Stewart, maybe...
he's like the stepford boosh.
cg @ 18:
stewart licks mcC*nt's ass. Let's hope Olberman has a go at this.
Andy @ 17:
as long as McCu*nt is blatantly lying or getting things stupidly wrong the media will find something to say about Obama.
Quick to share the credit, but never the blame!
CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Democratic Party Victory Over DIEBOLD! @ 20:
Yeah - if not for that it would be a no-brainer. He does go after him from time to time, mind you.
16 BobbyG Says: Lone Ranger: “I think we’re cornered, Tonto.”
Tonto: “What choo mean we, kimosabe?”
God forbid Tonto's swishy cousin Taunto visits their hideout, he'd sneer, "What a dump!"
kerplunk @ 6:
all voters don't hear what they want, republicans do.
the msm is pumping shit into the airwaves and no one is buying their shit.
to wit, fux just passed cnn for the top spot. I'm guessing that people are tiring of the u-boat captain tossing torpedoes at the truth.
cg @ 23:
never face to face. mcCan't blatantly lied to stewart and stewart smiled meekly and swallowed. you can't find an act that dedicated unless you visit a porn site. (I'll never admit to it. You can't make me.)
Andy @ 17:
CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Democratic Party Victory Over DIEBOLD! @ 20:
"Friend of the Daily Show" or not, Stewart calls McCain out on his BS way more than anyone in the MSM (excluding Olbermann).
Anyway, it's a comedy show. For this to get any traction someone besides John or Keith is going to have to run with it - and of course, none of them will. The MSM lets McCain lie - not twist facts, not "misspeak", just flat out LIE, at will.
Graham and Inhofe must have been scared to vote, yes!
Commentator @ 28:
sheepishly saying, "I think I heard differently", at barely above a whisper doesn't qualify.
My friends, I'm here to tell you that the McCain-Webb GI Bill has passed. I didn't go vote on it but that's not important. My friends, this is another example of me crossing the aisle to work with the Democrat Senator Webb. My friends. My friends. My friends.
Has anyone seen this:
it's webb about mccain
He didn't change. Like so many other flips, his position was/is "evolving".
John McCain @ 31:
and that obama guy, though he speaks well, never reaches accross the aisle
SCLM - So Called Liberal Media
Che's Lounge @ 33:
there's no evolution in repug world. it was an intelligently designed decision divinely inspired and it came down from heaven.
And who is that guy behind McCoot at about 12 secs?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CApKOEEs0Kg
CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Democratic Party Victory Over DIEBOLD! @ 30:
I guess I just don't have any expectations from either The Daily Show or The Colbert Report. I don't expect ground breaking, tough interviews from Comedy Central. I do however, give Stewart props for actually pointing out some of McCain's gaffes on the show each night, even if he won't go after Grandpa Munster face to face.
The only interview I can remember off hand where someone got smacked around a little was Douglas Feith. It makes sense, since Feith's done for politically, thoroughly discredited and a total douche, but whatever. Colbert bent over for Grover and Stewart's dropped the ball on several occasions - it's not just a McCain thing.
Again, they're comedy shows, not real news programs - and Stewart & Colbert at least highlight the Republicans' shit far more than the "real" reporters, which is pretty pathetic.
as bad as some people say McCain would be, obama would be exponentially worse
go nader!
Classic McCain - Speak Against something then claim you were for it all along. Speak In Favor Of/Write/Co-Sponsor a bill then vote against it. Disagree with Bush on TV then vote with him 95% of the time.
McCain is the Ultimate Flip-Flopper.
SlowBurn @ 39:
10 McCain Action Points for you!
Commentator @ 38:
you're right. comedians should not be trhe people we expect truth from. Except George Carlin has me spoiled.
Uhm he's happy WE passed it even though HE was against it?
Commentator @ 42:
doe he get a bobblehead or a dittohead?
SlowBurn @ 39:
VegasRage @ 44:
his voting record on that issue is quite
cleartransparent.CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Democratic Party Victory Over DIEBOLD! @ 43:
Carlin was brilliant - HBO2 ran like 3 Hour blocks of his specials every night last week, 70's, 80's, 90's, '00s; great reminder of how long this shit's been going on, and how long some of these assholes (like Dick Cheney) have been fucking us over.
Damn it, we need to get organized and find a way to fight back against the MSM. Most Americans are getting (or more often not getting) their news from these cretins.
Notice that none of the brave Senators that voted Nay served one damn day on active duty in the military!
CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Democratic Party Victory Over DIEBOLD! @ 45:
Actually I checked out the deal with those Action Points when I first heard about them. Turns out there's no redeeming them for anything, no rewards for getting a certain amount - just the data, "X amount of virtual action points attached to Y account," stored on some server. That's it.
McCain Action Points, like everything else the Republicans offer, is nothing but a scam.
Surprised? Me neither.
Has anyone else noticed that it sounds like he's using a faux southern accent in this video? Strange.
Wow... McCain taking credit for the passing of a vet package he opposed. Wanna bet that many of the sheeple Repugnicans will get amnesia, or say it's a left wing conspiracy of lies should they be reminded of that?
Is MC Stupid even aware how full of shit he really is ? I doubt hes even smart enough for that . From a man who called Jimmy Carter the worst ever but tries to emulate the historical worst ever as apposed to GOP spin. Its all good. Let MC Dumbfuck continue on down this path. He might get the record for worst electoral bitchslapping ever. He deserves it.
It all depends on what the meaning of the word "we" is.
How did the MSM ever let this guy get away w/ letting him self-proclaim to be a "straight talking maverick"?
Un-effing-believable!
To McCain, that's what 'Straight Talk' is all about ; didn't he name his bus..'Straight Talk express'...?!!
McCain was against this bill. He said it was "too generous". And just so there wouldn't be an official record of opposition, he didn't bother to show up for the vote. How convenient. My does Mr. POW John McCain hate the troops so much. I hope a big deal is made of this come election time. McCain and his Flip-Flop Express.
Unbelievable.
If Obama and his surrogates, Jim Webb, Joe Biden, Wesley Clark, and now Hillary, aren't hitting McCain hard on this for at least the next week, then they've missed an open goal. The piece of shit is taking credit for a bill he never supported or voted for.
Hmmm - let me get this straight now... you think maybe that McLame has standards? Really? Or morals or a conscience?
I'm assuming these six assholes are not up for election in 2008:
NAYs ---6
Allard (R-CO)
Coburn (R-OK)
Craig (R-ID)
DeMint (R-SC)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Voinovich (R-OH)
These useless occupiers of Senate seats should be the next targets for Blue America to target for replacment. I won't count on the Democratic Senate Campaign Committee or the Party as they are useless. Obama basically proved he didn't need them to raise money.
I can completely understand Kennedy (D-MA) not voting: God bless old Teddy, I'm sure if he could have been well enough, he would have dragged himself onto the Senate floor to vote. But what the fuck is McCain's excuse:
"Oh, I didn't like the bill, so I'll pick up my bat and ball and stay home today-nyaahh, nyahh, nyahh"
McCain, as another Navy Vietnam vet, you are an embarrassment to me. Furthermore, you are one buku dinky-dau motherf*cker.
McCain's a maverick, alright. When it comes to truth-telling.
If McCain wanted to be a real republican "maverick," all he would have to do is tell the American people the TRUTH!
Imagine an election, where the republican isn't lying through his teeth. Now that would be maverickistic!
What do you expect from Dubya II? Dubya's taken credit for passing bills that he vetoed, but were overridden when he was Gubner of Texas. Like "his" Patients Bill of Rights.
McStain's just following suit. He'll probably appear in San Fran and take credit for the efforts to name that sh!t plant after Dubya. (as if Dubya deserves such an honor)
Maybe we can name some Battered Wife shelters or Dementia treatment centers after McStain, eh?
He is speaking of the frog he has in his pocket.
Breaking news from the British Journal of Nutsology.
It is now a proven scientific fact that being republican is proof positive of insanity says Dr Elmwood Futherthom.
All republicans should be treated, and some can recover.
However die hard bush supporters are beyond help and should be quarantined as soon as possible for the greater good of humanity; these people have lost all signs of being human and have become a danger to themselves and others. If republicans are spotted in your area they should be pointed out to local mental health professionals. The sooner the better. That is all.
Geez, you can't expect Angry Grandpa to remember something that happened last month.
This is definitely one instance when the MSM(and especially the opposition Party
of Hillary/Obama/et.al.) should somehow get this most recent McShame flip flop
before the American public. I doubt that the MSM will do so, but it is imperative
that the Dem Party, thru advertisments or whatever, educated the general public
as to how deceitful/dishonest McShame is when trying to take credit for passage
of the Webb/Hagel Bill that he has opposed from day one. He is a lying SOB and
needs to be called on this...and other lies..
I serve in the military right now, and McCain's so-called "pro military" view is as believable as "there are weapons of mass destruction in Iraq." It's been a few days since this bill passed Congress, and I have had to correct a half dozen of my shipmates that were thanking McCain for getting this done. Sure this telecomm immunity is not what most of us wanted but it still does not protect Bush and his jackasses from being held accountable...so long as Obama keeps his word to investigate the last 8 years of hell we've all been put through.
Now he has a perfect exuse for not voting for the first bill even though he already blamed the troops for being too greedy. This works out great for him because if he is elected president ( end of our country ) then he can use a presidential decree to cancel the benefits he voted against before he possibly voted for them. What a patriot ( I mean traitor )!
How nice of Mr. Obama to vote, yet again, to support the illegal invasion.
I thought he was against the war?
The myth continues...
Glenn @ 67:
The Stars and Stripes or whatever news source the US Military hands out to the troops needs to do an article on this. The word needs to get out to the troops: John McCain does not support or care about you, your families or your future - all he wants is bodies to feed his 100 Years War.
I know the Pentagon is 100% Propaganda driven, but how is a simple clarification of the facts surrounding an issue near and dear to the soldiers' hearts somehow Un-American?
Saloum @ 69:
I kind of get the Democrat's continued funding. Pelosi (who I don't trust at all BTW) explained it thus: Bush is going to have his war, there's not enough votes for a super-majority to end it, and the best they can do is give them all the money they ask for and hope some tiny bit trickles down to the troops on the ground. If they don't Bush will find the money somewhere else - like stealing all the funding for the Department of Education or just taking the money that's supposed to be used by the Military for Veteran's Health, Education and Pension benefits and spending it on Iraq - and I wouldn't doubt for a second that these assholes would do it too.
There's definitely a lack of back-bone here, but I don't think it's quite as simple as "quit funding it and the war will end." I wish they would at least try something though, even if it's just to make a statement. Still, probably the best thing Obama can do is vote along with his caucus on the War and focus on November, because that's the only hope we have of ending this mess.
Commentator @ 71:
Nice rationalization. Obama's a charlatan and lied about his stance on the "war"...he's supported it from day one.
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