HEY !.. frist :)

Golly wonder what bush has done to ours.

Sometimes I wonder if these people really believe the crap that comes out of their mouths. It's like watching a whole gang of sociopaths.

Who told Georgia to move in South Ossetia? Did they think Russia wouldn't be interested in how their ethnic brothers were being abused by a pipsqueak? If you're going to poke a bear with a burnt stick, you'd better have an out when he awakes.

RUSTY BLACK KEETLE CALLS POT BLACK hahahahahaha

Well, what does Condi Rice expect? Russia saw a window of opportunity (even if, as it is said, Georgia actually instigated the conflict in first place) and exploited it knowing full well that the U.S. and Europe could not respond in any meaning full manner.  The Bush Administration and its Neocon supporters have set the U.S. up to be blindsided by virtually everyone. With all or most U.S. forces committed to the Middle East it was only a matter of time before someone took advantage of it.

Condi Rice says Russia has hurt their international reputation

Talk about the pot calling the kettle...

Let's face it, Condi and Bush did the right thing here facing the Russian aggression. As to how it started, is there any question Georgia was provoked and fell into a trap laid by Russia which had 600 plus tanks lined up and ready to go. So Georgia made a mistake, so did the Russians who found, unexpectedly, universal European and American condemnation of its extended aggression except among the far left. But to believe that the Georgian forces were attacking Russian citizens, really people of Ossetia who were recently granted Russian passports, is a typical knee jerk response to anything that comes out of Russia, like in the old pre-91 days when all Soviet, propaganda was lapped up and considered absolute truth.

I would suggest that perhaps there was little on the "background . . . .that fueled Russia's anger" because the Russian actions were so out of proportion with the reality on the ground that what occasioned the dispute is really a non-issue. Of course what Amato wants to do is just be a universal critique of the Bush Administration, of which I am no fan, without recognizing that sometimes, even inadvertently, it makes the correct moves. This was on for the Bushes, sad to say.

Tell condi to go suck an oil tanker.....
here we go again...fucking OIL business. Georgia hosts the largest oil pipeline from the Caspian to Europe. Roughly 1/3 of European oil comes from Russia. Neocon fairies have been stoking Georgian Prez Saakashvili for months about how nice it would be to finally integrate those nasty russian enclaves by bombing the shit out of the. Don't worry US military will protect you and John McBush would personally kick Putin in the mouth! King George so enjoys the horror and bloodshed of war.....

Read what Pat Buchanan has to say on the subject, he makes more sense than most on the subject.

BBC broadcast 6th of Aug., guess it got drowned in the pre-Olympics build up...

I wonder, does any of your msm now clarify that it was Georgia that fired first...or do they still hold on to the notion that it's only a victim to a big, brutal (which it surely is) and unprovoked Russian invader?

Our msm got it wrong too, but corrected the mistake within a day or two.

Condi of course is an expert in Sovietology and saw all this coming a long time ago. Nope, nosiree bob, this administration wasn't taken by surprise here, not in the least.

Repeat after me: NOBODY COULD HAVE FORSEEN THE OVERTOPPING OF THE GEORGIAN BORDERS.

I think the saddest thing of all in this whole mess is watching Bush and Condi and the rest bloviating away as if anybody in the rest of the world actually gives a shit what we as a nation think about this. Let's face it, Junior and his gang have made us utterly irrelevant in the world.

This is sure bumping McCain in the polls.

Hmm.

Isn't it funny how the REPUKES have gotten their panties in such a twist about Russian aggression? Saying the Russians have damaged their reputation and all... but none of them ever considered that thought when we attacked a sovereign nation for no good reason...

The Russians are bullies, AND we are what? I GUESS JUST OUT THERE spreading democracy where no one wants it spread?

HYPOCRITES and LIARS... that is all you get when you elect Republican trash.

The Corporate Media is towing the McCain line.

Evil Russia attacked poor little DEMOCRATIC Georgia.

*sniffle* *sniffle*

Leaving out ALL the facts.

The only question in my mind is whether Saakashvili was setup by the Neocons, knowing his attack of Tskhinvali would lead to his defeat, so the Neocons could capitalize on it.

Or whether the loose cannon that he is Saakashvili stupidly believed Neocon rhetoric (and this is equally likely) and attacked the South Ossetians.

Either way, he was set up by the Neocons.

You knew the spin machine with the help of the MSM would go full tilt making Russia appear the bad guy here when in fact the opposite is true. It was the Georgian president that sent his troops into South Osetia and then the Russians responded. But as many would say, the first casualty of war is the truth. There's a great write up on what actually happen that can be found at www.stratfor.com. The grand daddy of intelligence sites. Maybe someone should tell the MSM where they can get the truth.
There is also another twist to this matter that none of the news services are talking about and as usual it always comes down to money. A certain 30 billion owed to Putin plus interest and he has informed the boy king that he has until tomorrow to get the funds into his account or he will own Georgia as well as the Baku oil and gas pipeline. You can read that part of the story here....www.worldreports.org One other point brought out in this matter is that both Bush 1 and Clinton receive $1 off every barrel of oil that flows through the Baku pipeline. Must be nice for these two collecting royalties from a pipeline that the American tax payer built to bring oil out of the Caspian and into turkey. I wonder how many more parasites get a piece of the action?

PUTIN: PAY ME BY MONDAY OR I OWN THE PIPELINE + GEORGIA
RUSSIAN LEADER DEMANDING $87 BILLION ( = $30B + COMPOUND INTEREST)
Saturday 16 August 2008 18:59
REAGAN-MITTERRAND PROTOCOLS PAYMENTS ARE BOUND UP WITH THE SETTLEMENTS

IT TAKES 'ONE OF THEIR OWN' TO SHAKE THE U.S. CRIMINALISTS OUT OF THEIR MADNESS.
London, 16th August 2008:

GRU PRIME MINISTER DEMANDS IMMEDIATE PAYMENT OF $87 BILLION
Russian GRU-Prime Minister Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin has DEMANDED that his grossly overdue payment of $30 billion under the Reagan-Mitterrand Protocols MUST be paid, WITH COMPOUND INTEREST, and IN THE BANK BY MONDAY, 18TH AUGUST, or he owns the pipeline and Georgia.

With compound interest, the sum of money outstanding and payable to Putin is $87 BILLION, which is the sum he requires to be in the bank BY MONDAY.

FAILING PAYMENT OF $87 BILLION BY MONDAY, RUSSIA WILL SEIZE THE GEORGIAN PORTION OF THE PIPELINE AND WILL TAKE THE WHOLE OF GEORGIA, WHATEVER RICE AND BUSH SAY.....con't

GuyCybershy @ 19:

Read what Pat Buchanan has to say on the subject, he makes more sense than most on the subject.

GuyCybershy @ 22:

http://buchanan.org/blog/2008/08/pjb-blowback-from-bear-baiting/

Thanks!

PJB: Blowback from Bear Baiting
posted by Linda
By Patrick Buchanan

Mikheil Saakashvili’s decision to use the opening of the Olympic Games to cover Georgia’s invasion of its breakaway province of South Ossetia must rank in stupidity with Gamal Abdel-Nasser’s decision to close the Straits of Tiran to Israeli ships.

Nasser’s blunder cost him the Sinai in the Six-Day War. Saakashvili’s blunder probably means permanent loss of South Ossetia and Abkhazia.
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From Thursday, 08/14/08
http://therealnews.com/t/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&It...

Israeli and U.S. forces have assisted in training the Georgian troops.
This incursion into Ossetia was about exercising control of the OIL pipelines through the region.

Oh, but wait!
Karl Rove's ABSCOND... er vacation to Europe was to meet WITH members of the Session of the 5th annual summit of Yalta European Strategy on that Saturday morning.
http://www.yes-ukraine.org/en/Press_Centre.html?_m=publications&_t=rec&i...

Now, go figure...

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llyonnoc @ 15:

Let's face it, Condi and Bush did the right thing here facing the Russian aggression. As to how it started, is there any question Georgia was provoked and fell into a trap laid by Russia which had 600 plus tanks lined up and ready to go. So Georgia made a mistake, so did the Russians who found, unexpectedly, universal European and American condemnation of its extended aggression except among the far left. But to believe that the Georgian forces were attacking Russian citizens, really people of Ossetia who were recently granted Russian passports, is a typical knee jerk response to anything that comes out of Russia, like in the old pre-91 days when all Soviet, propaganda was lapped up and considered absolute truth.

I would suggest that perhaps there was little on the "background . . . .that fueled Russia's anger" because the Russian actions were so out of proportion with the reality on the ground that what occasioned the dispute is really a non-issue. Of course what Amato wants to do is just be a universal critique of the Bush Administration, of which I am no fan, without recognizing that sometimes, even inadvertently, it makes the correct moves. This was on for the Bushes, sad to say.

yes, there is a question that georgia was provoked by russia... you have this ass-backwards... georgia was provoked by the neo-cons in the u.s, and russia responded rapidly... and you think russian action was heavy handed? how about shock and awe...

Darth_Romney @ 32:

Russia has no balls! Otherwise, Putin would've said to Bush and Rice, "Tell you what...we'll leave Georgia when you assholes finally pull out of Iraq! Otherwise, you're in no position to lecture to us!"

I guess Putin's either sackless or a very shrewd politician...either way, nobody should let the Chimperor Bucj lecture them. Hugo Chavez seems to be the only one with balls to stand up to Bush!

Just last night Russian Minister of Defense was saying the withdrawal of Russian troops would not follow any specific timetable but would depend on securityu conditions on the ground.

Dumbya's kept Whore looks pretty ragged from her trip to entertain the men.

Go buy some shoes already. I wonder how it appears to the world when our secretary of state was buying shoes while thousands were senselessly slaughtered?

I swear, anymore when Condi talks, all I hear is noise.

Dr Acula @ 46:

Why isn't that c*nt in jail along with her boyfriend and the other criminals?

Pelosi.

Darth_Romney @ 32:

Russia has no balls! Otherwise, Putin would've said to Bush and Rice, "Tell you what...we'll leave Georgia when you assholes finally pull out of Iraq! Otherwise, you're in no position to lecture to us!"

I guess Putin's either sackless or a very shrewd politician...either way, nobody should let the Chimperor Bucj lecture them. Hugo Chavez seems to be the only one with balls to stand up to Bush!

Lets not be to hasty. Russia said it will pull out of Georgia, as in Georgia proper. However, in their eyes South Ossetia and Abkhazia, the two break away republics are not considered part of Georgia proper. The Russians will pull back from Gori and other Georgian terroritory but I doubt they will from those two republics.

McCain says this is like the worst international happening in like forever, yet it wasn't awful enough to make bush cut his trip to the Olympics short. You would think if McCain is right bush would have flown home immediately.

Actually Germany is buying it. THe german chancellor is now strongly advocating NATO membership for Georgia and suggested that NATO can help rebuild their military.

Ukraine is also buying it, theyve proposed expanding the US anti-missile radars to their territory. They will likely get a NATO fast-track as well. By 2017, when the russian naval lease at Sevastopol expires, you might find it becoming a NATO base.

Georgia was silly to fight for land that Russia was taking anyway but Russia has since made many media blunders, probably as everyone expected they would.

MountainMan23 @ 52:

Neither Germany nor Italy are buying the American heavily-editted version of events.

They did not buy into WMDs either.

barkin @ 37:

llyonnoc @ 15:

Let's face it, Condi and Bush did the right thing here facing the Russian aggression. As to how it started, is there any question Georgia was provoked and fell into a trap laid by Russia which had 600 plus tanks lined up and ready to go. So Georgia made a mistake, so did the Russians who found, unexpectedly, universal European and American condemnation of its extended aggression except among the far left. But to believe that the Georgian forces were attacking Russian citizens, really people of Ossetia who were recently granted Russian passports, is a typical knee jerk response to anything that comes out of Russia, like in the old pre-91 days when all Soviet, propaganda was lapped up and considered absolute truth.

I would suggest that perhaps there was little on the "background . . . .that fueled Russia's anger" because the Russian actions were so out of proportion with the reality on the ground that what occasioned the dispute is really a non-issue. Of course what Amato wants to do is just be a universal critique of the Bush Administration, of which I am no fan, without recognizing that sometimes, even inadvertently, it makes the correct moves. This was on for the Bushes, sad to say.

yes, there is a question that georgia was provoked by russia... you have this ass-backwards... georgia was provoked by the neo-cons in the u.s, and russia responded rapidly... and you think russian action was heavy handed? how about shock and awe...

Russian agression?!?!? You have to be kidding. The ex CIA guys that write for Stratfor.com know the truth and the thruth is that the US already had over 2,000 intelligence personel on the ground in Georgia and there were over 1,000 Isralie Mossad there as well. Something smells with all of this and as usual when the US begins to meddle in the affairs of other soverign nations, you know a war is just around the corner. The only reason we are there is because of the oil that is pumped out of the Caspian through the Baku pipeline that crosses into Georgia on its way to Turkey a NATO and US strong hold. But just in case you haven't noticed, terrorist bombings have now picked up over the last six months in Turkey and no doubt this will be the next hot spot.
The bottom line to all of this is that this action as many around the world are, are all about money. In this case, the money that both politicians as well as oil companies are going to make in selling this commodity. How about rather than starting more wars over a commoditty like oil which is killing the planet anyway, we pump some of these oil profits into finding new alternative fuels that don't require pipelines criss crossing through unstable parts of the world. A true Neo-con nightmare just thinking about alternative fuels, but the faster we get off fossil fuels, the sooner the world will be at peace.

Joe O. @ 49:

Darth_Romney @ 32:

Russia has no balls! Otherwise, Putin would've said to Bush and Rice, "Tell you what...we'll leave Georgia when you assholes finally pull out of Iraq! Otherwise, you're in no position to lecture to us!"

I guess Putin's either sackless or a very shrewd politician...either way, nobody should let the Chimperor Bucj lecture them. Hugo Chavez seems to be the only one with balls to stand up to Bush!

Lets not be to hasty. Russia said it will pull out of Georgia, as in Georgia proper. However, in their eyes South Ossetia and Abkhazia, the two break away republics are not considered part of Georgia proper. The Russians will pull back from Gori and other Georgian terroritory but I doubt they will from those two republics.

Ahh, but Joe,
Don't forget that that gaped tooth white house troll says Georgia proper includes the breakaway provinces of Georgia. To her, S. Ossitia and Abkhazia are part of Georgia and until Russian forces completely withdraw from the region, the White House will not be satisfied.

Hey, has anyone seen the Joe Biden is going to pay a visit to Georgia in an attempt of one-upsmanship to the GOP's envoys to Georgia? Anyone think that the Dems see this incident any differently?

What's an opposition Party?

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Otay @ 60:

I like the video of Shepphard Smith from Faux interviewing two Americans visiting South Ossetia. Apparently Faux thought they were just run-of-the-mill Georgians, and thus they would condemn Russia.

The two started thanking Russia for saving their lives and transporting them back home, during which you could hear Faux producers and Smith trying to figure out how to stop the conversation, so they immediately went into a commercial. And when they came back, they gave the two 30 seconds before the end of the show.

Guess there is only one politically-correct side to this story.

"I know we just came back from a commercial but we're being signaled for another commercial... and then when we come back we'll let you finish your point."

"O.K. We're back. You have 30 seconds until the end of this segment..."

"Oops, sorry, gotta go."

Many europeans countries agree with the US on this one. It's only the extreme left who wants to side with the Russians. Which reminds me of the conservatives under Clinton. They tended to be skeptical of anything Bill did and by the end of the 90s Bush ran on a semi-isolationist platform just for the sake of not being Bill.

There is rational dislike for Bush and then there is tinfoil hat land. As there was for Clinton.

"...that reputation is frankly in tatters and so, that in itself is a significant consequence…"

Project much?

bubba @ 63:

Many europeans countries agree with the US on this one. It's only the extreme left who wants to side with the Russians. Which reminds me of the conservatives under Clinton. They tended to be skeptical of anything Bill did and by the end of the 90s Bush ran on a semi-isolationist platform just for the sake of not being Bill.

There is rational dislike for Bush and then there is tinfoil hat land. As there was for Clinton.

Cindasleazy Rice was in Georgia on July 10. Georgia was set up. Do you remember how there were those in the Iraqi military and intelligence who said Bush's dad said it was okay for Iraq to invade Kuwait?

These fuckers are still playing chess with countries on the other side of the world.

You think this might have something to do with a pipeline from the Caspian Sea?

You think that ten years from now there might be some blowback?

bubba @ 63:

Many europeans countries agree with the US on this one. It's only the extreme left who wants to side with the Russians. Which reminds me of the conservatives under Clinton. They tended to be skeptical of anything Bill did and by the end of the 90s Bush ran on a semi-isolationist platform just for the sake of not being Bill.

There is rational dislike for Bush and then there is tinfoil hat land. As there was for Clinton.

Who are you trying to kid? If you read the BBC News blog that has a much, much, much larger geograghical participant base than C&L does, you'd understand the defence that is pouring in in Russia's favour. And yes, in each opinion there is also disdain for the USA and Isreal. So enough of your typical right-wing or O'reilly/Limbaugh-type bullshit.

Hugin @ 21, thanks for that video link. I'll be passing that one on!

Look impeachment proceedings and have certain of state secrets,
International war crimes proceeding's do not offer those protections,

Why tie the hands when you get a slam dunk.

Billy @ 8:

Want to know what really happened?

It's all right here:

Georgia On My Mind

A tremendous read indeed! There was this one line that stands out more than anything and the more knowledgable people have commented on it a lot....it's the dualality of Usa & Israel in this. Where the world gets really curious and then (with more understanding) pissed off, is when they look at this very small piece of land that has the world's 3rd largest military/nuclear power and wonder....where in God's name does all the wealth come from to fund this military might?
3 letters and you know what they are.

Dennis,

WTF?

This is nothing but scripted nonsense. The entire Georgia/Russia conflict is contrived. And we're about to find out why.

Darth_Romney @ 32:

Russia has no balls! Otherwise, Putin would've said to Bush and Rice, "Tell you what...we'll leave Georgia when you assholes finally pull out of Iraq! Otherwise, you're in no position to lecture to us!"

I guess Putin's either sackless or a very shrewd politician...either way, nobody should let the Chimperor Bucj lecture them. Hugo Chavez seems to be the only one with balls to stand up to Bush!

Naw...

you just ain't been payin' attention. More than just the Venzuelan would-be Brezhnev have stood up to Bush.