Palin Pick Undermines Inexperience Argument
John McCain has picked Alaskan governor Sarah Palin as his running mate - which at least is interesting. But how is he going to justify attacking Obama on his inexperience now? Palin, if McCain wins, would be the VP to a 72 year old man with a medical history of four different cancer battles. The chances of her becoming President would, I have to say, be rather higher than those of Joe Biden. There's nothing at all in Palin's record to suggest she has the experience to run America or to be Commander in Chief.
She's not even sure what the VP does (h/t Kos)
In an interview just a month ago, she dissed the job, saying it didn’t seem “productive.”
... Larry Kudlow of CNBC’s “Kudlow & Co.” asked her about the possibility of becoming McCain's ticket mate.
Palin replied: “As for that VP talk all the time, I’ll tell you, I still can’t answer that question until somebody answers for me what is it exactly that the VP does every day? I’m used to being very productive and working real hard in an administration. We want to make sure that that VP slot would be a fruitful type of position, especially for Alaskans and for the things that we’re trying to accomplish up here for the rest of the U.S., before I can even start addressing that question.”
She'll keep a lot of the base happy. She prefers oil to polar bears, is pro-life in a way that practices what she preaches (I can respect that even while disagreeing) and is a lifelong member of the NRA. She's cozy with Big Oil. [..]
She's sorta McCain's ultra-conservative version of Obama. She's Change he can tout against Obama's. Maybe not so much change Alaskans fully believe in, though - her share of the vote dropped by 7.6% in 2006.
But she also has a couple of problems for the base. She's been very "nanny-state" in some of her dealings in Alaska, especially a failed attempt to keep a big Alaskan state-owned dairy open after it became hopelessly uncompetitive and her insistence on raising the State's share of oil revenues as a form of windfall tax then passing it on to citizens in windfall payments. Now, where have I heard that idea recently?
Then there's the scandal involving her firing Commissioner of Public Safety because he refused to fire a State Trooper who is involved in a custody battle with her sister. Hmmm. We'll see if more on that appears now that she's in the national limelight. However, a cop who allegedly beats his wife isn't a sympathetic figure unless its to the more hardcore misogynist GOPers.
And lastly - what is it about McCain and ex-beauty queens? She was runner up in the '84 Miss Alaska contest. Watch out, Cindy - you know from experience your man has a wandering eye.
Crossposted from Newshoggers.



Tina Fey has to be drooling over playing her on SNL:
http://l.yimg.com/img.tv.yahoo.com/tv/us/img/site/13/18/0000041318_20070...
And she was recently quoted as saying on Kudlow's show that she doesn't know what a VP does...
Great pick, McSame.
Awesome! And while McCain probably thought putting a women on the ticket may have helped sway spiteful Hillary supporters to McCain's camp, he picked a female running mate with a strong history of anti-abortion support. Next!
Beautiful pick for McCain. Biden will crush her in the debates. If the Democrats keep playing it smart then there should be no problem in Obama getting elected.
Oh lawdy lawdy lawdy - this is gonna be gooooood
Here we go:
Sarah Palin on Abortion
Pro-life. (Nov 2006)
Sarah Palin on Budget & Economy
Aim to reduce general fund spending by $150 million. (Jan 2007)
Sarah Palin on Civil Rights
Marriage only be between and man and a woman. (Nov 2006)
Sarah Palin on Corporations
No issue stance yet recorded by OnTheIssues.org.
Sarah Palin on Crime
If legislature passed death penalty law, I would sign it. (Nov 2006)
Sarah Palin on Drugs
No issue stance yet recorded by OnTheIssues.org.
Sarah Palin on Education
Fully fund K-12 and support early funding of education. (Jan 2007)
Sarah Palin on Energy & Oil
Stranded Gas Development Act no longer applies. (Nov 2006)
Get ANWR open. (Nov 2006)
Sarah Palin on Environment
Provide stability in regulations for developers. (Jan 2007) Convince the rest of the nation to open ANWR. (Jan 2007)
Sarah Palin on Families & Children
No issue stance yet recorded by OnTheIssues.org.
Sarah Palin on Foreign Policy
No issue stance yet recorded by OnTheIssues.org.
Sarah Palin on Free Trade
No issue stance yet recorded by OnTheIssues.org.
Sarah Palin on Government Reform
No issue stance yet recorded by OnTheIssues.org.
Sarah Palin on Gun Control
Supports Constitutional right to bear arms. (Nov 2006)
Sarah Palin on Health Care
Flexibility in government regulations to allow competition. (Nov 2006)
Sarah Palin on Homeland Security
Promote from within, in Alaska's National Guard. (Nov 2006)
Sarah Palin on Immigration
No issue stance yet recorded by OnTheIssues.org.
Sarah Palin on Jobs
No issue stance yet recorded by OnTheIssues.org.
Sarah Palin on Local Issues
No issue stance yet recorded by OnTheIssues.org.
Sarah Palin on Principles & Values
No issue stance yet recorded by OnTheIssues.org.
Sarah Palin on Social Security
Fund the Seniors Longevity Bonus Program. (Nov 2006)
Sarah Palin on Tax Reform
Repeal "nuisance taxes" including the tire tax. (Jan 2007)
Sarah Palin on Technology
No issue stance yet recorded by OnTheIssues.org.
Sarah Palin on War & Peace
No issue stance yet recorded by OnTheIssues.org.
Sarah Palin on Welfare & Poverty
No issue stance yet recorded by OnTheIssues.org.
Wow, the former mayor if a town of 7000, who has been governor 2? years, and is already under investigation (http://www.ktva.com/ci_10026165) for abuse of the powers of her office for personal vendettas would be a heartbeat away from the presidency.
Seriously?
Oh, and she's a creationist to boot....
Into...
Daniel Qualye
Ruh..Roh...
Wow; I guess we can't count on those whopping 3 electoral votes in Alaska. Ouch.
My first response was: "Who?"
My second response was: "Didn't Mondale try this?"
Way to go McCain, you wanted to appeal to women, but you know you couldn't put a wrinkled face and gray hair on the ticket, so instead of going with an experienced woman like Kay Bailey Hutchison or Susan Collins you go with the tits and lips of former beauty pageant winner Sara Palin. Just goes to show women that you can't succeed in a mans world unless your attractive, and that in 2008 what still matters is looks!
I can see Biden in the debates now...
"Palin ... I know Hillary ... Hillary is a friend of mine ... and Palin ... YOU'RE NO HILLARY!!!"
BUT BUT SHE'LL BRING THE HILLARY SUPPORTERS TO MCSAME!!!!!!!!!
Because we all know that Hillary supporters are anti abortion gun nuts!
"Homing in on Halibut"?
I'd like to home in on her halibut.
Like other Republican officials in Alaska Sarah Palin is under investigation for using her job to fire her ex brother in law from the police department. Yes Sarah's sister had a bad divorce and Sarah used her job Governor to get him fired. Yes we've seen other Law Makers in Alaska even indicted while still in office and proud of the crimes they have committed. Sarah might be indicted before the election so Joe Lieberman is on stand by. Do Republican men think woman are really that stupid that they could put a worthless woman in as VP and Hillary's supporters would vote for her. We voted for Hillary because of the issues not because she was a woman. She qualified for the job and in the end got every issue we fought for. With McCain using his viaga and not with Cindy I think Sarah might want more security around when talking alone with Teflon John.
america's HOTTEST governor?
party differences aside, i'd take granholm or gregoire over her : )
GOP = Idiots
I don't get it. the GOP hasn't really dominated the polling either. Why would they pick a no-name pol like Mrs. Palin?
Idaho, Al-ask-a!
If Mississippi wore Missouri's New Jersey, what would Delaware?
Idaho, Alaska.
Ok, I'm finished;
She has MILFY qualities but isn't MILFILICIOUS.
Yeah.. but as the picture says.. she's bigger news than halibut!
Take that, big fish!
i wonder if McCain realizes how many times he has derailed his own cmapaigns talking/attack points. this is classic and after Obama eradicated all the other mcCain attacks in his speech last night, the experience attack is now moot. how funny is it to watch the repubics spin her experience into a positive.
i am already ordering in the nachoes and cheese for the VP debate.
The right wing sites like her.
She has all the qualification they want to quote them, "Hottie" "MILF VP"
Good God, these clowns want to run the "free world" and they all want to look down her dress! And their standard bearer, GW, can't keep his hands off Mirkel!
THANK YOU, JESUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
McSame could not have picked a worse running mate!
w00T!
I just heard her speak. One thing she said is that last year on 9-11 her son joined the military and this year on ......wait for it......this year on 9-11 he will be deployed to Iraq.
Interesting She is quoted as saying after like her first year, "It is important to give an outsider a chance in government!" That would support a vote for barack.
I'm good with the choice...
Keep shooting yourself in the foot, Mc Same..works for me.
Chuck @ 23:
I beg to differ.
I was pulling hard for Holy Joe.
emobile @ 17:
You'd have to shave off that mole from Jenny Granholm's face before she could even compete with Ms. Palin on the hotness scale. Even if she's only hot in a cheap kind of way.
But she really should've stopped pumping them kids out after #4. Taxpayers shouldn't have to take care of her Trisomy baby.
pissed off patricia @ 24:
and??
Here are some basic equations:
Palin = Lipstick on a pig
McCain/Palin = GW Bush
the two of them on the campaign trail are going to look like uncle joe and bobby joe running for mayor of hooterville. he just succeeded in making himself look even older and more out-of-touch.
Lieberman has gotta be feeling really stupid right about now.
Wow...the misogyny here today is striking....
The best quote I have seen so far goes like this:
The choice of Palin for VP is as the choice of Thomas was for SCOTUS.
An extremely cynical act. But, would I expect anything else?
NO.
The Cons want to destroy this country, while they bilk every last red cent from the Treasury.
I want to point out that this pick does more than undermine McCain's argument about experience. It shows that this line of attack was never anything else than insincere, dishonest Republican spin- it's all they've got, it's all they ever had, and it's all they ever will have.
Meet the new Mrs. McCain.
outtheoffice @ 280:
Thirdeded.
Jeebus. Nobody is this effin' deaf, dumb and blind. EZ was doing material, right? A righty parody? Otherwise we gots a 5150 in progress.
dennis @ 358:
obama has gone toe to toe with world leaders. has palin even traveled abroad?
jury is out on this the first major decision of mccain as would-be president.
Palin is a Creationist who wants Creatonism taught in schools. She has 2 years at the University of Idaho studying journalism. She is against abortion even in the case of rape or incest. Her husband works for BP. She encourages people to shoot wolves right outside a designated animal preserve, and doesn't want polar bears to be on the endangered species list, because it will interfere with oil drilling areas. She used her influence to try to get her ex-brother in law fired, and when she couldn't, she fired his boss for not firing him.
She is Dick Cheney in a dress, only with no foreign policy experience at all.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/zieak/508996075/
Wearing two dead foxes in front of a pack of Valkyries. Quality.
dennis @ 358:
Much better argument. And you're right that there will be people in whose brain Obama's lack of experience (always a really stupid argument to begin with), is not affected by Palin's. But hey, there will be people who will always think he's a Muslim, Iranian terrorist too. And, no doubt, McCain will be playing that card, albeit subtly.
Thing is, Obama's argument is not going to be that he is more experienced than Palin. That completely misses the point. No, it's going to be that McCain cannot simultaneously maintain that he is too inexperienced to be president, but Palin is not too inexperienced. Which is it, John, Obama can now ask, am I experienced enough to to be president, or is your choice too inexperienced? McCain's got no way out of that.
And then, Obama can simply point out what he's pointed out all along: Obama's experience and ideas, however measured, demonstrate the good judgment needed to be president. Obama's got it; McCain doesn't.
emobile @ 17:
You are crazy. Gregoire? Come on. She may be a bible thumping jackass, but she is a hot bible thumping jackass. That makes her ok in my book.
Also, as bad as she is, I still think that Holy Joe would have been (and still may be, if she gets indicted...) an ever worse pick than she is. He is lothed by the dems, so any Hillary voter that would have considered voting for McCreepy would totally bail - they may not vote for Obama, but they would not vote for Joe.
And the rest of bible thumping America would totally crucify McCreepy for picking a pro-choice Jew.
according to doris kearns-goodwin 9 of 44 veeps (or 1 of 5) have succeeded to the position of pres. with mccain at 72, the possibility of palin ascending to the presidency is not remote. this is truly a cause for concern.
goodwin also said that with this choice over romney seems like it is based on comfort rather than having the confidence and the wisdom of appointing someone you dont like.
This isn't a slap in the face to all hardworking women who put their noses to the grindstone and slammed against ceiling after ceiling. This is a solid, rethug kick in the vag to all those women. Sadly, while women do deserve this opportunity, Palin is essentially Clarence Thomas: a token held up by the thugs to say "See we likes the coloreds/chicanos/wimmens." The sadder part is that neither Palin nor Thomas actually realize that they're a prop, a tool, a commodity that would be tossed away the moment they become irrelevant. If McCain isn't elected, what are the chances we will see Palin again on a national stage. I'd bet <5%.
A better person would be that crazy chick from Florida who helped fix the elections in 2000. I can't remember her name. How was she rewarded for all of her hard, public, work to block recounts? She was left twisting in the breeze with no assistance during her own campaign.
Left&Left @ 357:
Left², she walks the walk regarding her views on abortion. She's got immunity on that one, and after Obama's extremist vote on the Born Alive Infant Protection Act which he has stumbled repeatedly trying to defend, that one will be tough for either he or Biden to attack her on. Biden's Catholicism advantage was negated by Pelosi's falsehood on the Church's views, and now even more so with Palin's selection.
I'm glad someone like you with a legal degree and background would be laughing and writing her off. I would only hope Obama and Biden are too, but I doubt they are.
And why would Obama and Biden have to be in a closet to be hugging? Strange comment, Left², even for you.
dennis @ 358:
Obama has as much political experience as, among others, Lincoln, Kennedy, Reagan, and Clinton.
It looks like McCain found someone to satisfy the Fundamentalists among his constituency.
Karen @ 366:
dennis:
nicely put; well argued.
and Karen:
as always...[tip of the hat]
dennis @ 370:
Would you link to some examples of Obama "struggling repeatedly" to explain his position on the whatever-it-was bill? Thanks.
As for Gov. Wolfkiller, I think it's great that she was able to choose to keep her Down's syndrome child without any government interference. That's the kind of free country we all hope to live in. I think the Obama campaign should point out how nice it is that she had the choice.
And I'm looking forward to the whole "family values" debate that you seem itching for your side to have, lil' d. I'd love to hear ol' Johnny talking about family values. Do you think his nose would grow right there on camera?
Sarah Palin is very qualified to be VP in a McSame Administration. "TrooperGate" shows that she
can be the next Dick Cheney, as in "firing US Attorneys", aka, abuse of power.
Karen @ 366:
See though, Karen, and this is why I love this pick for these argumentative points, McCain can point to the things Palin has done in her political career, which has been on an executive level. Obama has done very little in the way of getting things done. We have to take his word on the judgment and ideas thing, and even then hope he can execute. McCain can still hammer it home, and then if Obama fires back with the comebacks you outlined about Palin, he point to her strengths. She doesn't have to be markedly better, just close, and then it confirms the doubt in people's minds about Obama.
It's like now when people ask Dem pundits on TV why Bill and Hillary are now just suddenly telling us Obama has the experience to lead, when not that long ago they were saying just the opposite. The reply, in many different forms, all weak, has been, 'well, that's just politics'. Everyone understands. It's be the same with this. I could be wrong, but I think McCain still attacks him on it. And effectively. If anyione doubts that, they don't know Republican tactics.
#269 - Fess up. You were going to vote for McCAin even if he nominated Donald Duck for VP. So,
the rest of your spin is just that. Spin.
we are naive to think that hillary supporters (even pro-choice ones) will not vote for mccain/palin simply because mccain and palin are "pro-life".
and we are also naive to think that somehow her lack of experience or quayle-like comparisons will turn people off. remember bentsen drummed quayle in the 1988 VP debate, but bush drummed dukakis in the general election.
we are also naive to think that evangelicals will be turned off by her female ambition. palin is pro-life women with 5 children (one of which is about to leave for iraq) and she is a lifetime member of the nra. all of that trumps her female ambition.
we are naive to think the republicans are desperate or have written this election off. that's exactly what they want us to believe.
we are naive to think that mccain or the republicans are stupid.
this election will be difficult to win and obama knows that. that's why his campaign and others have worked so hard to register new voters. we will definitely need them to win. And we need to continue to donate to and volunteer for his candidacy.
take absolutely nothing for granted.
dennis, everybody knows McCain is going to go to his cheap "experience" talking point. Karen's point, which you seem to be willfully missing, is that now he will look like an enormous hypocrite when he does it.
Rusty Shackleford @ 373:
You're baiting me again Russ. The nets are full of information on that bill and his vote and his tepid responses to it. I'm trying to get out of here. I will later if you're being sincere and you remind me. For now, just google Obama and infanticide. I won't call it that but it will point you in the right direction.
I'm not itching for a 'family values' debate. I'd just like to hear a cogent and truthful response from Obama on that vote. He hasn't offered one yet.
All I can gather from this is that McCain has a thing for Beauty Pageant contestants.
it is such a joke. You liberals are unbelievable idiots. It is amazing how none of you can even come up with your own thoughts. It is interesting how the democrats march in lock step. Anyone asked a question has the exact same answer. Such brilliant response to McCain's pick Sarah Palin. She has more executive experience than either Obama or Biden. Neither has any executive experience. She makes more decisions in a day than they have made in office. And yes you can then say the same of McCain except that he unlike Obama and Biden just did something outside the beltway and the incredible corruption of Obiden.
dennis @ 379:
Actually, it appears he has thoroughly and eloquently explained that vote, lil' d. My source? None other than WorldNutDaily. I'm sure you'll approve. In fact, I'd bet a Lincoln (another presidential candidate with the same amount of experience as Obama) that WND is where you got your info.
It appears that Obama had multiple reasons for this vote. The bill he voted against: was unnecessary; was unconstitutional; was burdensome to women; sought to take medical decisions away from doctors and hand them to legislators; was based solely on religious beliefs (i.e., was unconstitutional); and was nothing more than a nakedly desperate political maneuver.
Now, maybe you can point out to me which of those are bad reasons, but I'd say he was quite brave to do the right thing. You may not be aware of this, but legislators are obligated to vote against legislation that they believe is unconstitutional. I know this won't convince you - with your hatred of Obama, nothing will - but it does prove you wrong.
Rusty Shackleford @ 378:
I'm not missing her point. Both these guys are hypocrites, Rusty. That charge is easily made. Do I think he will make the same ads and and imply he's a vapid celebrity on the order of of Britney or Paris? No, but I've argued he still has the card and he might even be anticipating the hypocrite response.
If the talking point was cheap about Obama's experience, you wouldn't see so many left-wing bloggers and journalists bringing up Palin's experience. They'd be looking to her judgement and ideas to see if there were holes in it.
liberalNmoderation @ 41:
I hear you man.
You guys know I'm on your side and always will be.
But I have to admit Palin is finding a new role in my librarian fantasy.
Richard Rhodes @ 381:
George W. Bush had more executive experience than McCain, Obama, Biden, and Palin put together.
dennis @ 383:
You can't compare Obama's and Palin's experience. Obama was a state legislator, has been a U.S. Senator for four years (that's national experience, lil' d), not to mention being an expert on the Constitution (kind of a big deal in U.S. government).
Palin has had barely two years as governor of a low-population state. Before that she was mayor of a town with 5,500 people.
No comparison.
Oh this is the best ever! Seems like nobody is pointing out the biggest, most obvious thing about this appointment: The typical Republicans are sexist beyond belief.
There is not in any way about 30% of that lot is going to vote for a female. Not now, and probably not for a long time.
The Repugs are the most Patriarchal group in the Western world! This is just weird it's such a bad choice.
I have wondered for awhile if they weren't throwing the election to the Dems so the Dems can suffer the consequences of all of the Bush failures, and now I'm convinced.
Rusty Shackleford @ 382:
Rust, I don't read WND and you are baiting me again. Maybe that's fun for you, but I don't have time right now, sorry. If you don't give a shit about what I think, why ask me so many questions you already have preconceived and unalterable views on, Mr. Socratic Method?
dennis @ 388:
Sorry, I didn't realize your time was so precious. Must have been the number of times you've posted. Maybe you can come back later, when you aren't so busy, and address my actual points.
bateman @ 384:
And you'll find a lot of young voters will have that in the back of their minds when they walk in to the voting booth. The MILF factor. McCain's not an idiot.
Rusty Shackleford @ 389:
Thx, Russ. It's either debating you and your endless questions or hitting a little white ball. Finally had some rain here so the grass might even be green now instead of brown. Appreciate your understanding. No slight intended.
Sarah Palin... a Dan Quayle with a pussy!
She has been a Gov. longer than Obama has been a Sen. I don't think the inexperience argument is the way to go for Obama supporters.
Spaghetti Monster @ 392:
So I guess Hillary was Bill with a @%$#&^.
John McCain - the gift that keeps on giving.
Joe @ 4:
He'll be accused of picking on her when he beats her at debates. When he looks at her they'll say he is shooting her condescending looks! They play her gender up. Same people who called Hillary Shrillary will tout her self confidence! Gotta love the loons.
Well, let's hope the female electorate is smart enough to vote with their brains and not their vaginas, the rights of their ovaries are at stake.
We want to make sure that that VP slot would be a fruitful type of position, especially for Alaskans and for the things that we’re trying to accomplish up here for the rest of the U.S., before I can even start addressing that question.
Ahem, Mrs. Palin, the position you're applying for is vice president of the entire United States, not only Alaska.
First of all: BWAH!!
Second: That magazine cover is super creepy.
Well...she may be evil....but damn if'n she ain't hotter'n nine hells.
Still...ain't gonna help McBain much...if at all.
The mistake you make, imho, is in thinking the GOPukes/Gramps McPukeStain actually care who is on the ticket.
They don't. Bush proved it didn't matter what kind of drooling, cretinous, shit-witted simian you nominate.
It doesn't even matter who votes.
What matters is who counts the votes, and 30 states STILL do not have visually verifiable ballots.
Jay @ 33:
I think we are merely reflecting what the Republicans have just shown us.
momly @ 43:
I dont think so. Read some of the comments...
She won't be able to hold her own against Biden in the VP debate.
But maybe the hope is that will put more women on her side, if he's too cutting.
emobile @ 17:
Sibelus(sp?) Smart is sexy.
sharkcellar @ 32:
Nah.
He'll be secretary of state, or ambassador to israel...
You guys have to remember Dan Quayle won with the 1st Bush.
This should be an insult to the women who supported Hillary Clinton.
In response to:
Goodnight Obama. Hello president Mc Cain. Yes, American is that dumb; he’s counting on it. They won’t disappoint. They never do.
"The dumbasses are the ones who would take you serious."
Wake up: Americans elected George W Bush. Twice. It would appear there are, in fact, dumbasses EVERYWHERE. Plenty enough to elect Mc Cain. You heard it here first. I wish it were not so. But it is.
Rusty Shackleford @ 386:
a reporter from alaska who was interviewed on cnn said exactly that. her executive experience does not translate into the national scene. he says he doesnt mean to diss his state but there is no comparison.
Richard Rhodes @ 381:
amazing how rethugs use corrupt so easily against their opponents. as obama said last night own up to your failures. obama and biden have never had a history of corruption.
Governor Palin, how does it feel to be on the same ticket as a man who called his wife a c**t?
borrowed this from another message board:
PALIN, MCCAIN'S NEW BRIDGE TO NOWHERE
Re: We want to make sure that that VP slot would be a fruitful type of position, especially for Alaskans.
WTF? Sweetheart, you won't be in Mayberry any longer. OTOH, you might indeed be the second coming of Cheney, abusing your office to give all kinds of sweet deals to your friends.
Richard Rhodes @ 381:
Remind us how many years of "executive experience" McCain has?
Oh, that's right! None! Guess Palin is more qualified than the man in the number one spot on the ticket.
I have touched some nerves, eh? I believe that Obama is a poster boy that BILL/HILL have promoted so they can run his presidency. After all, he is inexperienced. On the other hand, Palin is fresh and is just doing the job of a VP. Of course, if McCain passes, then she is the rightful president. In addition, if Hillary was so popular, why did she lose the primaries? The left America welcomed Hillary with all the baggage. Why not welcome the right America (republican) with Palin beside McCain? We need a change and women need to be welcomed.
Trashing Palin just shows how immatured you folks are.
About Biden becoming a VP, I have no objection. I would still like to see the debate between Palin and Biden. It might be similar to the Goliath and little inexperienced David sending his little effective stones across. McCain has created a sensation to the American politics by electing Palin to the table. Congratulations!
Republicans nominate VPs to act as dead man switches. Harm one hair on my head and QUAYLE/CHENEY/PALIN takes over.
I've noticed that the blogs are abuzz with reslug trolls today.
How much do they pay these people to spread this bullshit?
Repubs being Repubs, they will step up the attacks on Obama's inexperience.
A friend of mine just called to say that on Fox News, Sean Hannity just called Palin a "rock star" - and I assume he didn't mean that as a slur.
Embrace the hypocrisy, people!
What do you know?
Bill Krystol got one right.
EZ @ 403:
Palin is doing the job of VP? Gee, she sure was quick to figure out what that job was, eh?
Trashing Palin shows how immature (spell it right, will ya?) we are? Well, trashing Obama for not having military experience when two recent Republican presidents (with a combined 16 years in office, I remind you), Bush Jr. and Reagan, also didn't have any military experience shows just how ignorant you are.
Really? So you are telling us that Obama outshines Palin in Qualifications? Really?
Watch Biden. He is going to have one hell of a time containing his smarmy, self-righteous smug self in debates with her.
Obama will "outstyle" McCain. But thats it because Obama is all style and no substance. Charlatan, pied piper, Cult of Personality continually come to mind when thinking of Obama.
It seems inaccurate to paint Obama and Palin as equally inexperienced, which is often read as "unprepared." Obama has lived in various populous parts of the U.S., has lived abroad, has tackled and succeeded in one of the most complex political machines in the U.S. (Chicago), has a degree in foreign relations, and a degree specializing in constitutional law from one of the world's most prestigious institutions. Additionally, he has worked in Washington. He has not been there long, but some people are a quick study. Bush has done as much, if not more, damage in his second term as in his first, which confirms his record in academics and business; "experience" is not everything. Obama is smart, respected internationally, and thoughtful.
It is also disrespectful, however, to use sexist remarks about Gov. Palin (e.g. bitch, and remarks about children as excuses for poor work, etc.). She is a remarkably poor choice, yes. She seems amazingly ill-informed for a politician thrust onto the national stage or even for your average interested American voter. But it is much more fair to discuss her views and her actions as governor, as well as her poor preparation. She has crossed party lines (which is good), and her purported corruptness concerning her brother in law is as yet unproven. Additionally, I have known some very ambitious, intelligent, and talented former beauty queens, so that might not be relevant.
However, McCain's willingness to overlook women with significant understanding of Washington (like Kay Bailey Hutchinson, with whom I disagree on almost every imaginable issue, but who would have been an easily defensible choice for Republicans) seems to smack of desperation and an antiquated notion that women are interchangeable. I am saddened that McCain is willing to risk this country in such a manner. Palin appears to be clue-less, respected locally, and limited in scope.
erok @ 411:
Well...yes. Palin was a mayor and, more recently, has been governor for about 2 years. In your world, this resume of hers simply blows away Obama's experience.
If you apply the same standard, then she is more experienced than McCain is when it comes to qualifications to hold national office. McCain has been in the Senate longer than Obama, yet Palin has the "executive experience" that McCain lacks.
Nice, real nice.
This campaign is the most average ever.
Remember, an average is just the center of the extremes.
Like, you know? If you are standing with one foot in a bucket of ice water and the other in a bucket of hot coals--on average you are perfectly comfortable.
On the Dem side we have a young inexperienced candidate for president with an old over experienced candidate for VP balancing the ticket perfectly--on average!
Conversely, on the GOP side we have an old over experienced candidate for president with a young inexperienced candidate for VP balancing the ticket perfectly--on average!
So, the average American voter has a choice between the perfect average on the one hand and the perfect average on the other hand.
This campaign is the most average ever.
Sarah Palin's legal and family troubles are bringing her and the Republican Party a lot of unwelcome attention. They are also raising questions about John McCain's decision to choose her.
She seemed to be doing pretty well in Alaska, and McCain has done her a disservice in asking her to be on his ticket. Even without foreign affairs experience, a VP candidate should be knowledgeable about world affairs. In any case, McCain has demonstrated that his "maverick" reputation is a media-generated myth.
One thing I have noticed about the Republican party is that they seem to think that one woman is interchangeable with another--which is why McCain apparently thought that a lot of women who supported Hillary Clinton would automically back one whose policies are diametrically opposed to hers. She is beiing used, and it's unfair to both her and her family.
Another example of how silly identity politics are was back in 2004, when Obama was running as a Senator in Illinois against a white Republican opponent. The guy had to withdraw from the race, due to some sexual scandal that involved accusations from his estranged wife. So, the Republicans drafted a black man named Alan Keyes, a Maryland Republican, to run against Obama. Needless to say, the Illinois voters saw right through that ploy, and Keyes was crushed. He had no name recognition or familiarity with the issues in Illinois, and he was soundly defeated. He also should not haver let himself be used in that manner.
There is no way I would vote for McCain. Aside from selecting someone who is unsuitable as a VP, he is hot-tempered, cannot disagree without being disagreeable, and has made gaffes that I find disquieting since they have been in an area that is supposed to be his strength.
Mccain just wanted a running mate who isn't 6" taller than he is.
Jay @ 33:
Thank you for saying that. Look at her credentials, look at her stance on issues. Ad stop looking below the neckline you fools!
BTW go to the right's sites. Those guys are hooting and whistling at her too.
She was elected mayor, then governor. She must know something, we need to dig into that and eviscerate her for those stances. Not for her looks.
This pick guarantees Dems will win in Nov., yawn wake me when it's over.
Priceless! Thrilling! Whatta just-a-hearbeat-away lightweight. And, it's Friday!
Jay @ 33:
i would say the real act of sexism was making the choice based on her gender and not her qualifications.
ysbaddaden @ 45:
Its probably a little broader a tactic then just how Biden treats her, but youre on the right track.
I think most Repubs probably wished for a more experience, but who knows....woman doesnt strike me as someone who takes S&*t from anyone.
LOL!
Hey, McCain, I have almost as much experience, but am much better looking, you should have chosen me!
What a desperate and pathetic move! Do they really think that Hilary supporters can't tell the difference between one woman and another? The only thing these two women have in coming is their body parts...absolutely nothing else! You gotta believe that the majority of voters couldn't possibly be that stupid...but then again... look who is in the White House....
They are going to sell the Biden-Palin debate the same way they sell the "Best of the Johnny Carson Show" or the "Dean Martin Roasts". How is Gov. Palin ever going to debate Sen. Biden? Biden's never been a soccer mom!
Jay @ 33:
Yeah, just wait for McGrumps to call Palin a trollop. Cindy better cake on some more makeup, there's a new hot young thing in town ... and connected to oil !
The only thing I know about Sarah Palin is that her screechy voice hurts my ears. I can't believe I have to listen to THAT for the next two months, till this is over.
Now, Alaska isn't only the site of the Bridge to Nowhere, but for John McCain, Alaska is the Bridge to Nowhere.
e.c. @ 51:
So those that are voting for Obama simply because he's black are racists??
Abbybwood @ 1:
Actually Tina Fey just has saliva control problems
Thanks for noticing,
But Palin's probably funnier.
Which ones are you referring to? The ones that think she is hot? I don't think that's misogyny; I think that is guys thinking with their little heads INCLUDING the ones who thought it would be a good idea for her to be plucked out of obscurity into the limelight. What else is that but a cynical ploy to attract attention? If that is true, she is guilty of her own measure of misogyny for playing along. Where is her self respect? Or her credentials?
Maybe people will vote for her just for the halibut.
The thing about this pick, is that it is partially designed to pick off a few Hillary supporters.
Palin's record on women's rights is so appalling bad though, that that I hope women know a vote for her, is vote to put the judge on the supreme court that gives the right wing enough votes to go after Roe v. Wade.
Chuck @ 23:
Are the "family values" conservatives ready to put a "career minded", "ambitious" female one breath from the Presidency.
The evangelical heads are starting to expand.
Who is this broad? She has been Govenor for how many months? She ran a town of a couple of thousands of people. Shades of George Bush to me. And Alaska has corruption issues that is clouding the election. Jeez, he might have been better off with Romney.
halibut...hell of it...halibut...get it?
Jay @ 33:
Yeah Jay - far be it from Republicans to ever say anything bad about a woman, that's NOT related to her work experience...
Yesterday I couldn't spell Vice-Presidential candidate..... Now I are one!
This choice is obviously directed at the Hillary supporters. McCain is hoping they will all abandon their party and join the party progressive enough to put a woman in the white house......Er never mind that whole continuation of failed policies thing!
If McCain doesn't make it through his term (should he be elected) this woman would become president. Her complete lack of experience is so glaring that she makes Obama look like a eight term seasoned veteran!
Retardlicans are laughable, They complain that Obama has no experience and then nominate a VP that has even less experience than him. Go figure!
"Watch out, Cindy - you know from experience your man has a wandering eye"
Hahaha, no that's rich!
He'll wait till Cindy's in a wheelchair before he leaves her though.
Does she know who Dick Cheney is?
StirFry @ 56:
Olive oil?
So, Gone InSane has picked a second-place beauty pageant contestant with less time as governor than Obama has had in the U.S. Senate, but who, in that short time, has already managed to come under investigation for abusing her office.
But, she's a woman who kinda supports (minus the seemingly obligatory Alaskan position of Drill in ANWR Now position) the environment, right?
Ahhh, Gone InSane. His message: I am simultaneously a maverick and the fucking epitome of REPUBLICAN.
I guess they are hoping Hillary supporters can't tell one woman from another.
RobertC @ 7:
A creationist??? Are you shitting me?? A doddering fool and a creationist in the top two spots?
Dear God in Heaven, somebody call SNL, quick! This is just too good.
Well, Palin locks in the Fundamentalist Christian Women vote ... the people who believe they are actually inferior to men.
But that doesn't really do anything to bring Hillary supporters to the Republicans since she is pro-life and a creationist friend of big-oil herself.
But she does bring young and women to the Republican ticket. And I guess that's good enough for the average Republican voter.
Wait, is she the attractive Girl In Glasses or the cute lil' bear? Can the bear be prez? The bear would better than McCain.
'Course, it's a moot point since BIDEN will be Veep.
:)
She has the Michele Bachmann crazy look in her eyes...
This is pretty weird. In Alaska, GOPers are trying to distance themselves from Palin after her blatant abuse of power (she tried to get the state trooper her sister was divorcing fired and then fired the head of the state police when he said no) yet McCain thinks she's a plus to his ticket? I guess it's another case where abusing power is OK if you are a GOPer, though you would think that McCain might have gotten a clue when the somewhat shameless Alaska GOP (their leading members called themselves the Corrupt Bastards Club) were running away. In this matter, as in much else, McCain just plain doesn't get it!
Bitter Bud Hussein @ 66:
So that makes it OK here? LOL..that argument "The other guy does it too!" always strikes me as hilarious...
I just hope she doesn't tossle his hair and say that it's getting a little thin.....
McCain/Palin ... now that is change I can believe in.
Palin (in real life) is an iron willed, hard working, energetic, involved, tough, and no nonsense woman.
A Female Cheney.
Now the cons of course are going to be constantly rubbing this in our faces. Their choosing a female pick for VIP.
Just watching CNN here, and McSame's douchebag spokesman Tucker Bounds must have used the word "change" twenty times in about two minutes in describing Pallin. I think its pretty clear that McCain has effectively neutralized his biggest argument for President and might even try to battle it out with Obama over change. Anyone like his chances?
Overall, this is a pretty terrible choice. She may be pro-drilling, anti-abortion, etc., but what are her positions on taxation, immigration, foreign policy, Iraq? Its really hard to introduce a candidate THIS much in two months, so I'm hoping that this will horribly backfire. Conversly, it will be so easy for the Obama people to define HER ie. corrupt, inexperienced, out of touch with working class min-westerners, etc.
Family values anyone?
http://www.parentdish.com/photos/alaska-governor-sarah-palin/690775
Marty Palin, dressed in drag, woulda had more cred.
But can can Gov Palin shoot long time friends in the FACE ?
Are her closest friends , (if shot in the face by Palin) willing to tell Palin their sorry?
Palin wouldn't know anything about the Alaska corruption with the states legislature or its Congressmen or its Senators ? Would she ?
Mick Piobr @ 46:
Sebelius. (Sibelius is the composer. Same name, diff spelling) Swedish/Finland-Swedish. Same goes for Granholm. Coincidence?
More scandinavian women in politics, please.
Still . . just . . stunned.
Did Rove do this? What a f'n rookie error!!!
Jay @ 33:
Muahahahahahha!
I was wondering how long it would take for someone to resort to this tired old whine.
The mistake you make, it seems to me, is that you regard these choices as if they had some logical basis on which they can be criticized.
Bush proves you can nominate any drooling, cretinous, shit-for-brains simian and get it 'elected.
Stalin (nee, Djhugashvili, in Georgia) provides the GOPuke template: It doesn't matter who votes; what matters is who counts the votes.
There are still around 30 states in which there is no provision to preserve visually, personally 'recountable' ballots. Along with the pollsters and the rest of the SCUM credulous complicity in the CorpoRat agenda, the fix is in...
The whole thing is no more than a political Kabuki...
She has the Michele Bachman crazy in her eyes...
it ain't misogyny to point out that McSame and the GOP have completely disrespected women with this choice. What they are saying to all of us is that experience and judgment don't matter, but a pretty face and a willingness to toe the party line (even if it means using government to CONTINUE intruding into people's private business) is. If a man were brought in with such scanty qualifications as Ms.Palin, he'd be hooted off the stage, and rightly so. This is just cynical manipulation by the GOP at its worst.
Lieberquislintg must be crying his opportunistic little eyes out today.
And for the big rollout, Grampa McCain headlined with cheerleaders with pom-poms! If nothing else, the old man gets to surround himself with pretty young things while tooling around the country in his campaign. Maybe that is all he wanted out of the presidential run in the first place.
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