Face The Nation: McCain Defends GOP Lack of Diversity By Ignoring the Question
By Nicole Belle Saturday Sep 06, 2008 4:30pm
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What is it about McCain ignoring the actual questions and answering questions never asked? And of course, Bush golfing buddy Bob Schieffer never points out that he didn't actually answer question about why there are so few African-Americans in the Republican Party and how that might affect the long term outlook on his party but lets him instead go on a five minute, rambling non-sequitur about education vouchers.
SCHIEFFER: I want to ask you about the composition of the...of the convention. There were 36 African American delegates out of 2300 plus delegates there. How can you survive as a party if you become just the party of white people?
McCAIN: We can't. We can't. I saw a bit of information the other day that by, I forgot, I think...don't hold me to it, 2042 or something like that, white Americans will be in the minority in the population of this country. We can't. We've got to reach out; we gotta do a better job. We have to have the Hispanic as well as the African American voters. I've traveled all over this country. I've been to places where there were literally no Republican votes. I have to convince them I'll be the president of everybody. And the Republican party has a job to do. And frankly, it's a job that also spills over into other issues. You've seen the generic ballot difference that we have...[..]
SCHIEFFER: So what are you going to do about that?
McCAIN: Oh, education, economy, small business, create jobs....education, as I mentioned, civil rights issue of this century. Now everyone has equal access to a school. But what's the point of access to a failed school, or a failing school? We've got to give them more choice, more opportunity, all Americans. Because we know in low income America, the schools are failing, with the exception of NYC, now New Orleans and some others. But so, a quality education is really the dream of every parent. As you know in Washington DC, they have an experimental voucher system. Huge number of parents want to take advantage of that, thousands more than they have room for. So we got to provide the kinds of opportunities in education, one of the keys to it, help for small businesses, and get the economy back on its feet, don't raise the taxes, get it going again. Americans are hurting in a way that they have not hurt for a long time. I would probably argue to you that the 65 appearances - I hate to keep bringing that up - that we probably--you and I-never had a conversation when our economy was in greater difficulty than it is today.
Okay, McSame...obviously continuing Bush's policies will change the economy and the minorities' outlook on the GOP how? Here's a helpful hint from someone who hopes you never step foot in the Oval Office: if you really want to attract minorities to the GOP, you have to address these issues: (h/t Don Rumsfeld hater in the comments)
If you're a minority and you're selected for a job over more qualified candidates you're a "token hire."
If you're a conservative and you're selected for a job over more qualified candidates you're a "game changer."
If you're a Democrat and you make a VP pick without fulling vetting the individual you're "reckless."
A Republican who doesn't fully vet is a "maverick."
If you get 18 million people to vote for you in a national presidential primary, you're a "phoney."
Get 100,000+ people to vote you governor of the 47th most populous state in the Union, you're "well loved."
If you're a black man and you use a scholarship to get into college, then work your way up to being the president of the Harvard Law Review, you're "uppity."
If you're a conservative and your parents pay your way to Hawaii Pacific University . . . you only have four more schools to attend over the next five years before you somehow manage to graduate (it might be five more school over the next five years. No one has yet verified whether or not Palin was actually ever registered at the University of Hawaii at Hilo. But, you know how shady people are who ever attended any kind of school in Hawaii).
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The Republican Party is the party of hopelessness.
Soon he'll be claiming that he's an African-American.
moniker @ 2:
Most def. Ya feel me, nig***?
McCain takes on GOP and Bush along with Obama.
I thought McCain is running as a Republican-GOP?
This a bait and switch or just your everyday garden variety political scam-hose job?
This more than anything is why the Repulican Party will be no more within 20 years. It makes no difference who wins in Nov as the republican Party is over. It's like that dead tree in the yard that looks alive but really isn't.
McSame: "I'm Black and I'm Proud."
My friends, we had some african americans booked and paid for, but they were beaten and arrested before they got into the convention hall.
Yup. Let the white people lead the way towards enlightenment.
Didn't he say that America has to catch up to history?
Crusades
book burning/banning
world war
burning witches
economic depression
ice age
noah's ark
Are those the parts of history he is chasing? 'Cause it sure sounds like it.
L.A. Confidential @ 4:
I mean if someones selling you a Chevy when you fork out and drive off you expect to be driving a Chevy not a Ford with a Chevy insignia they slapped on while you weren't looking.
One day I hope we can a straight answer to the questions we really want to know.
But it's all good, it's all about the character right? Screw the issues, I trust McCain... I trust that McCain will not change a damn thing....
So I assume the Republican party is officially dead-history and now we have a what?
The War Monger Crusader Party disguised as Republican Fiscal Conservatives?
Democrats versus The War Mongering Crusaders
Sounds about right.
"Senator, McCain, why weren't there any blacks in your audience last week?"
"You know, I'm glad you asked that... we really need to improve our schools... "
but he doesn't have alzheimers, right??
See, this article clearly demonstrates a large part of the problem in our politics.
The link above (Bush golfing buddy Bob Scheiffer) connects you to an article, which, if you read down far enough, provides the information that Tom Scheiffer, Bob's brotheris a Texas millionaire who was a partner/owner/president of the Texas Rangers with G.W. Bush. So, the connection is about more than golf.
These kinds of backstories about the relationships between the media/corporate big shots/international financial people/and our political "leaders" hold the kind of information that most folks never see or know.
They may think Bob Schieffer is a little nicer to Republicans - but they never understand that the "whole system" is encompassed in one, huge circle of men (mostly) who really are part of the old-boys-club, and who really do make the policies, laws, and all kinds of decisions that affect our daily lives in ways that will ensure they reap the most provileges and rewards. The rest of us be damned.
The whole game is rigged.
McCain said he'll also ask some members of his Cabinet "to work for a dollar a year. They've made enough money."
If that's not enough of a hint to what the McCain Economic policy is going to end up being nothing is.
The maverick title for this liar is just smoke and mirrors. McSame voted with Bush 95% of the time. He says one thing one day and contradicts it the next and then denies it when asked about it. MsSame revealed to me that he was senile and not to be trusted the day he hugged GWB after the dirty tricks the W campaign played on him in the 2000 election. McSame is a prostitute who will do anything to be elected. He caved to James Dobson by selecting the foul mouthed woman for VP. His campaign manager is a lobbyist. If he caves to the religious reichwingnuts, what will he do do when the lobbyists come calling? The same thing he has always done, whatever they asked. McSame is the anti-maverick.
Although McCain didn't answer Schieffer's question, he did answer Biden's question of the day: "What do you talk about when you don't have anything to say? What do you talk about when all you have is 8 years of failure to explain?"
McCain's answer: Change the subject.
burnt @ 13:
At least give him credit for noticing the "MAVRICK" sign.
Education? Oh, you mean that thing you party ridicules as elitist and arrogant? The public system your party undermines and defunds, and then hold up as a failure? Right...
Four more years...
It's not enough for Bob S to ask the question, let McCain drift along on stuff frozen in his brain for the last 20 years, and barely ask or not ask him to clarify; put into 2008 relevance, or stay on topic. So......
Every time he escapes from having to be put on the spot, or just clarifying, he wins, and America loses.
Palin has notifed Charlie Gibson of ABC that he can be the first to interview her. It is all kabuki theater.
"We've got to remind folks that we're the party of Abraham Lincoln...and Theodore Roosevelt...and Ronald Reagan".
STFU, McCan't!
If the economy is in such difficulty then why is the U.S a nation of whiners?
Amitola @ 14:
You might be right but I have a feeling the motivations may not always be so sinister. For most of these "journalists" it's about maintaining access, and rubbing shoulders with the powerful. I live in the area, and one DC insider/journalist once told me that if he asked the questions of pols that he should ask, then he wouldn't get the invites to the best cocktail parties that he's become accustomed to attending.
McCant's bullshit about giving people choice in education is more rethug garbage. Restore Federal funding of public education and schools will improve. Fuck giving OUR money to "charter schools".
"That was before. Trust me Charlie Brown. I won't pull the ball away again. I promise."
I wished Bob had also asked him if it's true that Trac Palin is going to Iraq, not out of a sense of patriotism, but simply to avoid JAIL time, as reported here:
http://news.spreadit.org/sarah-palin-son-track-palin-going-to-iraq-to-av...
Nice Summary
The US government now confronts every minor inconvenience with brutality and force. With lies. With tricks. With deceit. With unrivaled hypocrisy. It speaks a scripted and rehearsed dialog of illogic and insults. It changes the meanings of words and uses those words as weapons to crush, to silence and oppress, to steal what it wants. This government no longer shows respect for anyone but itself and feels no compulsion to listen or cooperate, to show respect for others, or to care at all about right and wrong, truth or lies, justice or injustice.
It seems that this government can't take a single step without stepping on others, without breaking the very laws it exists to uphold, without negating every principle we stand for.
At what point will this criminality cease?
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article20703.htm
Dr Acula @ 25:
An educated populace is the Republican Party's biggest fear. Lucky for them half of America is content to wallow in their ignorance and vote against their interests. Hell, they're actually PROUD of their ignorance, at least they aren't like those elitist libs...As long we we have Jesus and NASCAR, what more do we need? Throw in Toby Keith to read the bedtime story and we're practically in a utopia.
A suprised he doesn't have a black couple or Asian couple behind him during the interveiw. The way the RNC exploited the very few minorities that were there was insulting. Like the American people are that dumb. Well Bush was elected twice. So who knows?
Amitola @ 14:
it took lopping off everyones heads for the french revolution to be
effective.........so is it not time to let the reichwingneocons eat cake
while we lop off their lobbyist/fascist support and put a stop to
the destruction of the Constitution and the rape of the
American citizens?
Dr Acula @ 25:
I don't understand why he's bothering to talk about improving America's education anyway. Don't they win when the population stays dumb? Oh right, it's part of the "every four year" ramble. Just reconnecting with the voters to say you intend to care, like four years ago when you said it before.
McCain mentioned 'education'.
Are Republican voters now more educated than before... I don't think so...
McCain,Juiliani,Huckabee and now Sarah might not be the today's political candidates for Republicans if voters were more educated.
Republicans keep adding more religious leaders to their base who seek Christian religious revolution in this country , that's not the way to go .
But since vote is what the elections are all about, Republican politicians seem to be very content for now,but the future might not be bright for the party which starts to look as a religious club.
Dr Acula @ 22:
This is McPOW's way of "chasing history".
Dr Acula @ 22:
And Bush, and Bush. It's nice to know he left that one out. As Biden said yesterday, "these aren't your granddaddy's republicans."
Rico @ 24:
Snark, right? If not, your DC insider/journalist needs to go to a blogger ethics seminar. Oh. that's right - the insider isn't a blogger! "Ethics" for a Washington insider apparently means not airing the dirty laundry of folks mean enough to cut off your access if you do journalism rather than society scene columns.
Its basically the big oil companies and the military trying to maintain status quo which requires US/Dollar hegenomy established at the end of WW2 to continue. It can’t because we’re bankrupt.
McCains whole indoctrination from his first breath is Military. Out of all the choices for a GOP candidate they pick this guy.
Go figure
John McCain is really starting to concern me. He is probably have a bit of a ego correction. Since he was forced to bring on Palin he is starting to draw crowds in the thousands (even though they are all evangelicals) when prior he had a hard time drawing a few hundred.
Palin-McCain-Diebolt '08
Many here assume electing Dems solves all the problems.
Yes, McCain sucks.
But is there a REAL opposition party in this country?
Beware of what you wish for.
Gop Inclusiveness Roadshow tour:
http://www.bgladd.com/McSameStore/GOPcolorPurple.jpg
I have a firm belief that history, details, facts, and truth don't see eye to eye with John McCain and other republicans.
VietVet8666 @ 39:
Obviously there's little choice. Right Wings ruled for 20 of the last 28 years.
If McCain is elected, we are absolutely and irrevocably done. It will then be too late to fix it in 2012.
Peter G @ 23:
McCain gives such a non answer to bob's response to mcCain saying the economy is the worst americans have seen in a long time.....then bob says but you said it's got good fundamentals.....well it does i believe in the american people......blah blah....no substance at all.
mcCain has NO idea what he is talking about so he gives the canned political pandering response. this is a global economy....we must adapt and compete with other countries or companies will continue to do business/manufacturing abroad. this is why healthcare
reform is so important. if i remember correctly GM
was 'whining' about healthcare cost per vehicle.
if we increase the size of the paying pool cost will drop and people will get healthcare because it's affordable.
industry large/small will like this because they will be
able to compete with the likes of china. mccain is taking us down the same path we have now.
L.A.
My feeling is that the U.S. needs to hit bottom, real hard, in order to turn around.
What bugs me a lot is the following:
"Republican presidential candidate John McCain said that Illinois Senator Barack Obama has not worked as a reformer because he has not challenged Democrats.
"I do know that he never took on his party on any major issue," McCain said, appearing on CBS News' Face The Nation. "From the time he came up in the Chicago political arena to the time, the short time he was in the Senate, he never took on his party on a single major issue."
In contrast, the Republican Senator said he'd taken on his own party a lot. "
The real answer to that should be: 'Why hasn't McSame voted with the Democrats at least 90% of the time?'
I mean if your mother loves you, why should you be expected to hate your mother?
L.A. Confidential @ 42:
That is why the Bible bangers are so excited by Palin. She gets in, fires off some nukes, and it's sweet Jesus we're coming home.
"HE'S OUT OF TOUCH WITH MAINSTREAM AMERICA."
Abraham@46, You're right. My mother and her Religiuos right-wing friends have been waiting for the Apoclypse for years now. Y2K, The dems assuming control in 2006, They seem determined that Liberals and Dems are the root of all evil.
VietVet8666 @ 39:
your first mistake was saying 'all problems' nobody said that including Obama. wanting more of the same is insane in my judgement so i'll go with Obama/Biden/09
it's NOT all or nothing......... black or white
if you know who can solve 'all the problems' please enlighten me you've got my attention.
this is about who do you think will has the best intentions/judgement/cerebral abilities and a good cabinet.
You really nailed the economy there John.
paraphrase: "We are in trouble but the economy is sound. We have never had a conversation about the economy when times have been this tough but our best days are ahead of is because I have confidence in the American people."
What meaningless drivel. Bullshit even more bland than usual.
Faith and confidence ain't gonna build a house when you got the directions to build a toilet.
constituent at 49
let's say you're given the choice of A or B
you don't like either A or B
what do you say?
B is better than A?
that may be true
but if both A and B suck, who cares?
The GOP is one big scam operation. When will Americans finally catch on??? I know, probably when it's too late, and they no longer have a government that works for them. Obama is the candidate that wants to empower the people, and the Republitards are scared to death of him. Any guy that can inspire the masses the way Obama does is a threat to the status quo, a threat to their power and wealth. At this point they are indeed desperate. They will say and do anything, even risk having a neophyte like Palin as VP, and possibly President, if the old guy kicks the bucket.
Does the independent nation of Alaska have a Face the Nation program? Perhaps Sarah Palin will appear on that show.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwvPNXYrIyI
McCain is actually capable of speaking coherently.
But when he's caught out, he sounds more like #41, with his tortured non-sentences.
Look folks, I'm a Democrat and there hasn't been a Republican in the last 20 years that I could or would vote for. But be real - he did answer the questions:
He is clearly saying that the Republican party cannot survive without minorities.
His answer to this one is muddled
So, in summary - making minorities better educated and richer will help the Republican party grow. While this is true in a very small way (certainly smaller than single digit percent) I would have to say that racist behavior by the Republicans does more to keep minorities out than anything else. They are a party that is against ANYTHING that helps the poor or disenfranchised. They are against anything that does not support their version of government or the legal system. They are NOT open to discussion or debate. They are NOT willing to give up anything to help the greater good. To them, the greater good is themselves.
I will not get into religion, finance reform, taxation or even education. They are the hypocrites on pretty much every topic they say they are for. The Republican party is doomed to a well deserved death in my opinion. I am not saying the Democratic party is perfect - but at least they try to govern! They try to reason and will debate and LISTEN to others.
republicans only talk about things other republicans listen for. For instance.
If you ask about education. See republicans think that education is only for those that can afford to pay for it. They think if I can afford to send my kid to college and you can't, then my kid should be able to tell your kid what to do.
So they listen differently. They only hear what they want to hear.
That's all republicans doesn't matter if it's a poll or a voter.
If they perceive that you are liberal and asking a question they just zone out until you quit speaking. Then they blurt out whatever ignorant bullshit they have been rolling around in their ample head but very small brain.
So if you ask about education? You get back some crap about choice, jobs, and how the republicans are the best that have ever been in whatever field it is, when all the time you will find that what they are good at, and not good at it, but cannot keep from lying to try to cover up their incompetence and greed.
Once you understand that everything in republican christian corporate fascist world first revolves around greed, followed by insane selfishness, and a burning desire to force their will upon others. You understand why they never answer a question. To much bullshit going on inside of them to even listen to what you have to say. that's all!
McCane, he's an ass, oh BTW, "I was a POW". Big Fucking Deal you chickenshit, everyone, and I mean EVERYONE, knows that that is not a prerequisite for your garbage. I was a POW! Please suck my cock. I was a POW! I called my wife a c*nt and she doesn't care. I have a wife who will slut herself so get over it, heh, heh, Did you know I was a pilot? Fuck you, I was a pilot. I was a POW. I can now run the USA. DUH, you cannot run a fucking sentence together, you Dick. You, and your party, this is the nub of it all, is that you can very possibly be put on trial for war Crimes Against Humanity. Wow, just think of the television ratings!!!!!
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People never see their own racism and sexism.
It's always the victim's fault for not having a good enough education, or the right (white) "culture."
They can't see that when they're confronted with someone clearly superior in intellect and experience who happens to be black, they still call him "uppity" and that, my friends, is D-I-S-C-R-I-M-I-N-A-T-I-O-N.
They can't see that when they assume that women will vote for another woman no matter how little experience or intellect or character or judgement she exhibits, that, my friends is S-E-X-I-S-M.
Those two little things that are the major life factors of every woman & minority on the planet, those two things white men never see -- even though they ACT on these base impulses it all the time.
dadams @ 31:
Well, yeah. But until you have a passed a threshold point where most Americans know and understand that there IS a REAL problem with the people running the gov't (PtB, dems & reps), it's kinda' hard to get them to push to change the system. 9/11 was effectively used to scar the bejeebus out of folks, so they think that the Patriot Act, FISA changes and having cavity searches at airports are signs that our government is protecting us??!!!
Because, as the initial article posted here points out, all of the major media outlets in this country are actual tools of the gov't. So, trying to get TRUTH and information to the masses that they're being led down the path to full-blown fascism, is a little difficult. I think, for starters, the whole election system should be re-vamped - but the legislators in Congress and in the states who would need to be changing the lasw to make that happen are not gonna' vote to stop the gravy train they're on.
As for cake, I like some once in a while, with ice cream.....
VietVet8666 @ 44:
Were damn close. An 8 year free fall.
Abraham Jackemoff @ 46:
yes I think that is it for some of them, the robertson,dobson, fundanutalists!
Widespread @ 55:
"A twisted tail! A thousand eyes! EPA!"
And by tortured, I mean turgid and non-linear.
VietVet8666 @ 52:
we obviously look at idealism and realism differently
in order to be realistic one must compromise. this is a basic but important element of human philosophy especially when it involves governing humans.
your example is too simplistic as it sits i would say i like neither. since i'm NOT a black and white processor
thinker...i would compromise if i didn't have any choices and my survival depended on it.
if one is NOT able to compromise and paints with a very broad brush and says both suck......you might as well see if you can get a train ticket from travelocity to Utopia......otherwise stay don't participate and get nothing and like it.
LBJ sucked. He got elected in 1964.
Nixon sucked. He got elected in 1968 and 1972.
Carter was a good person but sucked as president. He got elected in 1976.
Reagan sucked bigtime. He got elected in 1980 and 1984.
GHB sucked a whole lot, a whole lot. He got elected in 1988.
Bill Clinton was smart and charming. He got elected in 1992 and 1996.
Shrub is the worst president ever. Fucking ever. He got elected in 2000 and 2004.
So, who's going to get elected in 2008?
See, this article clearly demonstrates a large part of the problem in our politics.
The link above (Bush golfing buddy Bob Scheiffer) connects you to an article, which, if you read down far enough, provides the information that Tom Scheiffer, Bob’s brotheris a Texas millionaire who was a partner/owner/president of the Texas Rangers with G.W. Bush. So, the connection is about more than golf.
These kinds of backstories about the relationships between the media/corporate big shots/international financial people/and our political “leaders” hold the kind of information that most folks never see or know.
They may think Bob Schieffer is a little nicer to Republicans - but they never understand that the “whole system” is encompassed in one, huge circle of men (mostly) who really are part of the old-boys-club, and who really do make the policies, laws, and all kinds of decisions that affect our daily lives in ways that will ensure they reap the most provileges and rewards. The rest of us be damned.
The whole game is rigged.
it took lopping off everyones heads for the french revolution to be
effective………so is it not time to let the reichwingneocons eat cake
while we lop off their lobbyist/fascist support and put a stop to
the destruction of the Constitution and the rape of the
American citizens?
Until enough Americans decide enough is enough then we will just have to keep telling people until we do get enough. Enough of us together we can run these people out. Maybe we need a little vigilante justice for these people!
VietVet8666 @ 64:
So, WTF is your point? Don"t vote for anybody?
Ron @ 66:
Yes. Rebel.
SCHIEFFER: So what are you going to do about that?
McCAIN: Just take a big dump on the American people. They love it.
VietVet8666 @ 67:
That's what the republicans want us to do so they can round us up and put us in concentration camps. I'll go with the voting option first.
VietVet8666 @ 67:
hey that was then this is NOW.....get on board....the legislative branch has been ignored by this administration it's our time/turn.....don't throw out what
i hear on the (R) blogs and media ...'he says he's going to fix EVERYTHING' no sorry obama is an intellect. he is going to us the tool and direction to help ourselves.
get a grip.
when obama sits down and talks to an interviewer, he talks.
when mccain sits down and talks to an interviewer, he burbles talking points.
and there's a question that mccain is not competent to be president?
karen marie @ 71:
bingo..........
It's a dying party and they know it. There is no plan to change the shape of the party in the future because the master plan dictates they will be the ONLY party, a ruling party. A party of the haves which rules over the party-less masses of the have-nots. They don't intend to share their rights to health care, or wealth distribution, or personal privacy rights with the likes of "the masses". It will be class warfare to the extreme under their futuristic fantasy rule. They will not be much different than other ruling elite seen around the world. Your sons, daughters, brothers, sisters, fathers, and mothers will be their servants. We will fight their battles, we will take their abuse. They in turn will serve their corporate paymasters who occupy the very top tier of this ruling elite. Just name one single sign of the times that suggests it will be any different?
McCain can't escape his roots.
The turd who finished 5th from the bottom of his naval graduating class is talking about
being the driving force in getting more racial diversity in the garbage GOP ?
Ummm , does the educational ladder reach any higher than an Ivy League school , like the one Obama attended ?
Even with his penchant in answering a direct question with a non-sequitur ala Larry King , McDepends still comes across as a clueless wonder..........
The GOP looks for good bullshitters ; not intelligent individuals............
36 African American delegates out of 2300 plus delegates
damn the camera men for television coverage worked overtime to find and show all of them.
Anyone here would be a better president than shrub, mcwrinkle, obamarama.
No one here would have invaded Iraq, allowed the mortgage crisis to happen, transferred so much money to U.S. corporations.
Fight your enemy. Don't fight among yourselves.
remember this from the Double Talk Express.....
mccain doen't know the economy 45 second video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OunCv-7qvA
Dr Acula @ 25:
as a taxpayer who doesn't have children but pays for public schools, it pisses me off mightily when people start agitating around handing out vouchers. to start handing out vouchers so that people who have already put their kids in private schools can get a subsidy is to abandon the public school system. if we're not going to have public schools, explain why people with no kids should pay for other people's kids schooling?
rcm @ 74:
The national debt
mortgage takeover will cost taxpayers billions of dollars.
i just heard the BIG 3 automakers are asking for a loan
of 25 billion dollars.
yeah right mccain.....the fxxking fundamentals are strong. whatever happened to Darwinian Capitalism
no risk so do whatever you want No consequences
Last week, I heard a local AM radio conservative talk show host say that Palin appeals to many "Real Americans." I got pissed and sent him an email, asking him what "Real Americans" are. Palin is a "hockey mom"; Obama plays basketball. Does that mean Palin is a "real American" because she appeals to white people? Does that mean Obama is not a "real American" because he appeals to black people? I pointed out to the talk show host that Wasilla has something like 85% white people, .6% black people, and the rest various minorities, while Chicago has about 42% white, 37% black, 26% Hispanic, and the rest scattered among various minorities. Is Wasilla representative of "real America" but Chicago is not? Are people from Chicago and other big cities, which primarily are Democratic, not "Real Americans" because they are indeed primarily Democrats and won't vote for McCain/Palin? I asked him why I saw only one black man in the RNC audience and one other person of color (McCain's adopted daughter); at the DNC I saw a variety of ethnicities.
The dweeb wrote back and said, "I see your point.....but it isn't the Republicans' fault that blacks are sold a bill of goods that don't work and keep voting Democrats back in...." Pissed me off. So it's the black peoples' fault, is what the local talk show host basically said.
Screw these repugs.
Funny he should mention the school voucher system when the topic is diversity. The school voucher system is code for “get my babies away from those frigging brown people”.
I'm not a McCain fan by any stretch of the imagination, but how do you justify the title of this entry as McCain "ignoring the question":
That looks like he addressed in a pretty specific way. Then went on to say that education is the way to do it. While the sound bite was what you'd expect and there's real doubt that he believes what he is saying or that he will fund any of what he saying, to say he ignored the question is really just misleading.
General Jack D. Ripper @ 83:
Real Americans are the ones who chant, USA,USA,USA, and Drill, Baby, Drill whenever they are tempted to think about something.
General Jack D. Ripper @ 83:
and your question was never answered: what is their definition of "real american."
it's pretty clear, however. their definition of "real american" is a republican.
In McCain's mind, he did answer the question: How do you get more minorities involved in the GOP? His answer is educate them. The only problem is that will drive them away from the GOP because they never do anything for minorities. As pointed out multiple times, its all a bunch of bullshit, but unfortunately they have dumbed down the American public enough that they lap this crap up.
who's springing for pizza for the thread tonight?
it didn't seem like mccain was "defending lack of GOP diversity" at all......nor did it seem like he was ignoring the question.
it did seem, however, like mccain was extremely uncomfortable with the reality of his party's lack of diversity.....
he sounds fake as can be; ungeniune. if the american people dont see through his b.s. they're idiots
This is exactly why Schieffer should NOT be moderating any of the debates.
What's so fascinating about McCain's dodging about diversity is that it is common behavior for those who have little to no connection to diversity or culture. When someone asks about the issue of diversity, some people in the dominant culture either clam up and stonewall or they deflect into something else while leaving the entire topic untouched.
This is exactly what McCain did. He couldn't even provide a decent answer about why there isn't diversity in the RNC because he either is clueless about it or doesn't care. My bet is on the latter.
(Um....Did he forget about his colleague Westmoreland? Did he condemn him in any way? Did he not hear about Gov. Hockey Mom's filthy racist mouth? Did he not condemn her in any way?)
Do you expect the RNC to recognize race ever? Only when it gets in the way of their interests. Then it becomes "distracting" enough to play the game of "not to seeing it anymore" and further frustrating attempts for true racial progress in this society.
And while they dig into that "invisible knapsack", the issue of race continues to be sideswept and demeaned because of fear and intolerance.
All in all, would you expect any different answer coming out of the mouth of the so-called "Maverick Songbird"? No. Especially, like Palin, when he has let fly a few racial slurs of his own.
Amitola @ 60:
i agree with you wholeheartedly. i am just voicing my anger without
saying that i actually would like to see a lot of empty-headed bastards
stop waisting the planets precious air.
james Ratliff @ 66:
A-fucking-men. I could not agree with you more. The fact is that people cannot just sit around and wait for someone to tell them these things or they will never find out about them. They MUST take on the responsibility of educating themselves about these things. The information is out there all over the place, all one has to do is dig it up, put it together, and let their common sense do the rest.
The media is our worst enemy.
RepubAnon @ 36:
I wish it were snark. The late Tim Russert was one of the most infamous of the "Cocktail Weenies." http://thenexthurrah.typepad.com/the_next_hurrah/2006/06/tim_russert_cla...
Obviously he had lots of company among the MSM, but that's should be of no surprise to anyone.
oncall @ 21:
I think John McCain has now become so insignificant now that the Republicans should all ban together and write in Sara Palin.
I watched the republican convention and was astounded. My first thought was - I haven't seen that many white people in one place in a long long time!! I'm white and live in Houston - Texas is a minority majority state. My world is multi-colored, and I honestly believe that I and my life are all the better for it.
BTW, Nicole, You should give proper credit to the Palinguage that you cited above... it comes from John Ridley over at the Huffington Post.
Roket @ 84:
Yes and Arizona is one of the poineers of the school voucher program. Part of the No Child Left Behind Cause We Always Have The Military program. Money vital to public education was being diverted to private (religious) schools, but the kids in low achieving schools (inner cities) are not. I think the AZ courts have since ruled them unconstitutional. But that is the crux of the fundies' plan to privatize education - for some. The rest? Not so much. Just make them repeat the grade.
burnt @ 13:
This is actually what makes McCain kind of dangerous in debates. He not only doesn't answer the question, but also throws in all kinds of extraneous details that confuse the issue and force his opponent to respond to other things beyond the topic. And that steals his opponent's time to answer what was asked or rebut all the shit McCain flung.
Reagan, the old prick, had a great line he used on Carter during their debate; after Carter danced around a question, Reagan said to the moderator, "You asked a question. I believe you deserve at least one answer." The moderator isn't going to call McCain on his lack of specificity; it may fall to Obama to do it.
General Jack D. Ripper @ 83:
It's not surprising to me that the conservative talk show host was going to blame Black folks. He doesn't give a darn about the fate of folks of color. If he did, he'd actually be disturbed by how people of color are treated not only in the RNC, but in the rest of society.
Instead, history and present day racism affecting society will be treated as if it doesn't exist. That's what McCain did. And that's what the talk show host was doing. Both alluded to the belief that only one cultural viewpoint supercedes all others. As a result, anyone questioning that "one cultural viewpoint" would be to blame for stirring the pot.
That's why it is sometimes a frustrating experience when trying to deal with people who "don't get it" when making a point about racial disparity in any American institution, let alone the RNC. It's all from seeing things from a "privileged" point of view and not opening one's mind enough to walk in another's shoes.
Thank you, Jack D. Ripper, for writing that e-mail and caring. :)
Richard Peterson @ 92:
Schieffer isn't as bad as some, believe it or not. That's why I'm disheartened (though not surprised at all) to learn that Palin's first "big" interview will be given to Charlie Gibson--born and bred in the Republican pocket. He won't ask her anything of substance, and if she contradicts herself or cries, "They're all trying to smear me," he won't call her on it with facts. It'll be total slow-pitch.
This guy is such an idiot. How he's up in the polls astonishes me.
Che's Lounge @ 100:
Excellent point. I agree.
ya....thats it....
vouchers will get more people to want to be republicans
never mind that the vast majority of areas in the united states dont have private schools in which someone could use a voucher
never mind that many private schools would opt out of voucher programs if any strings were attached
never mind that mccain notes that its low income areas where schools are hurting, and that its due to a myriad of problems....money, lack of parental involvement, gangs and drugs, just to mention a few
nope....its the old voucher line....cuz in education there should be choice...and that will make blacks and hispanics want to vote republican
the thing is, the more educated you are, the less likely that you will vote republcan
case in point...the new love being given to palin over what appears to be a failed university career
note that in her biography, only the school that she graduated from is ever mentioned...and normal people would find it rather odd that she attended 4-5 schools to attain a degree in journalism (a degree she recieved without ever working on the campus radio station, tv station or newspaper....purely theoretical) but not the repugs...they love this...makes her just like them....a fuckin full retard
but who wants to bet that the wingnut talking heads will again bring up biden's less than stellar career in law school
thing is...he went to and graduated law school
she never took any graduate courses in anything
i know one thing...i want my leaders to be well educated, and yes...better than me
the man is a fool.
burnt @ 13:
you are aware that he just quoted a line directly from his rnc speech
its not that he has alzheimers or is losing it...its that he has chosen to stop thinking out of the box, and is taking a page from the bush playbook
just keep repeating your idiotic statements and maybe someone will believe them
a voucher initiative failed miserably in cali a few years back....it failed, because although californians do want more choice in education, they looked at the reality and saw that huge chunks of the population would be underserved
The Very Bitter Ceci Hussein @ 102:
You're welcome. I just can't stand it when I hear crap like what he was saying. He's on a local station here in St. Louis and follows the Rush Pig Limpball show.....that about says it all.
constituent @ 71:
To Carter's credit, history is proving that he is the only president in the past 30 years that was correct on the direction of energy. He also inherited a recession and energy shortages from the Ford administration and wasn't able to control the massive inflation. When it comes to economic success, there's no doubt that Clinton had it correct. Obama's economic plan will follow the successful Clinton philosophy. The bottom line, Republicans are incapable of managing the economy.
a voucher initiative failed miserably in cali a few years back….it failed, because although californians do want more choice in education, they looked at the reality and saw that huge chunks of the population would be underserved
My point exactly, republicans don't care about large chunks of the population,
They only think of themselves they couldn't care less about you!
VietVet8666 @ 65:
VietVet, I don't totally disagree with some of your characterizations, but I'll go to bat--yet again--for Carter. Carter is a good person, true. If Christians ever wanted to see a modern, living person walk their (and his) talk, it's him. He's been the best ex-president we're ever liable to see.
He wasn't successful as president, but I don't give him credit for that, entirely. He was damn ahead of his time on energy (and I predict that within the next 50 years we'll be very sorry we didn't listen to him). He made some unfortunate advisory choices and didn't handle the media well (e.g. the Playboy interview). The economic problems we had at that time, though, we're largely hold-overs from the energy crisis during Nixon's time in 1973. He was sandbagged by Reagan's cynical, dishonest machine--many of whom helped elevate gwb and did the same for him--especially as far as arranging for the hostages in Iran to remain in captivity. When the mission to spring them ended tragically, and then he boycotted the Olympics, his fate was sealed--'cause we 'Murkans loves us some sports!
I'd say, on the whole, his record was actually mixed--he achieved some very important things, one of which was the Camp David Accords with Sadat and Begin, the template upon which all future Arab-Israeli cooperation agreements have been based. But the media meme is, "He was a failure."
Well, who controlled that media? Same hacks we're talking about here--the people rubbing shoulders for access to the Republicans, the monied power in this country. The victors write history, but that doesn't mean their "history" is true.
I'm not going to let the fact that good, qualified candidates often get sabotaged dissuade me from voting my hopes in this election instead of my fears or my frustration. I have grandkids. If I can turn the tide even a little, it's worth it.
Rico @ 17:
That's Real Change...
General Jack D. Ripper @ 109:
Yes, it does. :(
And it is even scarier that some listeners take what these conservative commentators say on air as gospel--even to the point of repeating that filth repeatedly.
That type of BS doesn't even have a half-life.
It makes you shudder how some of those lies spewed from the right-wing shows are perceived as the truth.
It has to be from Stalin's playbook of repeating the lie over and over until it is cemented in the public mind-set.
They can make the voucher system work
All who want to participate will contribute financially, and every time there is enough money in the kitty, they can take it and send some kid somewhere. That is after the CEO of this organization has syphoned off enough and there is no oversight by anyone.
Have a ball.
I forgot to mention:
That will be 'trickle-down vouchering'.
wow.. johnny boy is all over the place in this interview.. sounds like rambling key words, thats it
Ahem, NYC is the exception? Yeah, right. I would like to see McCain enter South Bronx public schools without a bullet vest. Puh-lease.
VietVet8666 @ 39:
Soooo. You're comment seems to be implying that since Mc'Cain sucks.... we should vote for him?
What kind of idiotic 'logic' is that?
My blog entry Monday (click my name for link) is entitled:
"Let's Put this "Party of Lincoln" Nonsense to Bed Once and For All"
I promise VERY informative reading.
VietVet8666 @ 68:
Voting doesn't work that way, and you know it.
By the way, I hear that voter registration for Democrats is WAY up.
Chew on that.
VietVet8666 @ 44:
No, it doesn't.
If it hits bottom, here's what will happen.
Foreign interests will buy up our property.
We'll be attacked by other countries... like China.
There will be massive riots, and Martial Law will be declared, and the NeoCons will have private armies in jackboots, goosestepping through our streets...
... and more.
We need to take this country back NOW.
The only people who say that we should allow this country to decay further are the NeoCon double agents who know that their masters will make a profit from the destruction of America.
sulphurdunn @ 26:
+1
Dr Acula @ 22:
Yes Johnny, they're all dead just like your Neocon party.
Mugsy @ 120:
They would have sent Lincoln to Gitmo for degrading Southern Heritage.
As a multiracial person and a young woman, it will be a cold day in hell before I ever vote GOP at this point, at this point... The hostility to Latinos during the immigration debates being just one out of a multitude of reasons.
maybe palin will help with the diversity problem
we now have her adding the following diversities to the repugs...
handicapped
woman
eskimo
?black?
[Deleted. Grace. We are happy to entertain differing points on this site. But lies are another thing. Facts are not a matter of opinion. Something is either a fact, or it's a lie. Your interminably lengthy diatribe was not only fact free, but full of lies-Sitemonitor]
I was thinking about answering Grace, but there is just so much crap, i changed my mind,
Grace @ 128:
You poor pitiful Nazi sympathizer!
“get my babies away from those frigging brown people”.
clearly, this person does not have a child.
It just hit me hard today. I have been researching information on tracking polls. It seems that the polls sometime ignore the sampling error. Sometimes they skew the questions based on who is paying for the poll. The don't ask if you have no opinion either way. Also, they don't take into account that people may know little or nothing on the topic of the poll. They may ask if you want drilling for oil in the ANWR region or do you want drilling the area of Alaska's wildlife refuge. How you ask the question and the choices they give you can change the outcome of any poll.
So when they ask potential voters any question, are they getting accurate answers. Do people know what they are talking about? Probably not. Lack of diversity or not. These are the people who are going to the polls, those that will make the difference one way or another, and they are truly low, low, low information voters. Are they going to vote in another aw shucks, beer buddy. Well, it seems we won't know until it is too late.
It seems the MSM, where these folks get their modicum of info, has left us in the lurch again, by not pushing McCain for answers, because he's a war hero and, or he might get mad! Palin is not talking yet. The handlers are still working on getting her up to speed. By the time we get to know the real Palin it will be way too late. We will have to put "Died from Low Information," on the tombstone of the good old USA. Good luck to us all, we are going to need it.
Mr Grey @ 132:
Pollsters poll people with landlines. Most individuals between 18 through 60 use cell phones. The polls are way off. But we still cannot take it for granted. There are a lot of idiots like Grace@128. Don't have to be gentle because of the female name. They are just as NAZI-LIKE
I think I'm going to need to visit an optometrist at some point, seeing as Grace's lack of paragraphs made my eyes hurt! :(
Oh, and the regurgitated talking points were painful too!
OKAYyyyy. Grace: Where do I start? Let me see?
Unemployment. Is at 5.7 %...highest in 10 years.
Congress, 49-51 split. With Lieberman and Jeffords as Ind.
Gas prices, Have you noticed the llast 5-7 years gas always goes up for holidays and the summer? Cheney.
"Stop listening to mindless politicians who dont know the facts anymore than you do. Just make it up as they go along. It is sooo easy just to accept something that sounds good or what you want to hear , it is another to research it ,with an open mind. "
You should try this sometime!
John McCain collaborated with the enemy. He's admitted it. He said he broke under duress. Now I ask you, Would you want a man who's temper is famous and who's been broken? I'm sure you would agree with me if he was a Democrat.
Education, Home school if you want, that's your business. I have no children. And I don't mind my tax dollars going to education to the less advantaged. And if you haven't noticed, that's over half of the country. This is America not Russia. The people here are entitled to a decent education.
You say Bush is protecting us. WRONG. I'd say the entire govt is trying to do that. Bush failed to protect the nation on 9/11.
Exactly when was he to start doing his job?
Tell me grace, how many mcpoints did you get for this load of bullshit?
Oh and grace, I'll take the super smart guy compared to the guy who finished 5th from the bottom of his class.
Damn, Grace, Katrina! Nice job protecting all those folks down there. But you don't care about them, do you?
Funny thing though, they're all christians. So WHAT HAPPENED?
Grace @ 128:
Grace, honey, get a grip. No one is interested in your ONE paragraph bunch of cliches. Though, I do like a nice cool glass of lemonade on a humid day........
Grace @ 128:
What a ton of gibberish and incorrect information.
Under Bush, the unemployment rate has climbed from 4.2 percent to 6.1 percent. This person obviously has a lot to learn about Congress/GOP filibusters etc...as well. I actually really feel sorry for these sheep. This is a classic example of the typical uninformed republican.
Uncle Joe Mccarthy @ 106:
But that is the real problem. Elections (even for something as important as President of the USA) have become like the ones we had in grade school. It's not about what someone will do, it's who do you think you want to hang with or who is your friend (whether real or not). It would seem that there are enough people out there who don't want an intelligent, well-educated person as their leader, but want someone they think is just like them. Look at what they elected for the past two terms.
Sad thing is, they don't even realize that people like Bush and McCain aren't like them and other than to try and get their vote, wouldn't give these everyday people, the time of day.
ronhohn @ 129:
It's a wast of time to try and correct the delusional. Grace was probably yelling USA, USA, Drill baby Drill while she wrote that. Oh yeah, if Bush kept us so safe, how come the worst attack on civilians in America happened on his watch. Yea, baby, that was really protecting us.
Shame on you Bob SCHIEFFER.
You let McCain drift off into his
"stump speech" and you never
noticed.
Two things,
McCain, " Wash, D.C. has a voucher program that is used so much there are many that are left out".
They try to find a better school, But the Fighting McCain will not fight and make the existing schools good. Vouchers move to charters, then to private for profit. You think economic class schools are bad now?
Education will be just like health care...!
The economy is basically sound but there is going to be a lot of pain for middle class and poor Americans because of the tough choices on the economy I'll make that we can have tax cuts for the rich. The rich won't quite be effected as all those other Americans doing uppity community service.
And no, as a senior Senator, I will not take a pay cut or health benefit cut. Nor will I give up my $58,000 per year V.A. check, I depend on it. But there are many Veterans returning from Iraq that haven't finished paying their price of sacrifice yet. I have.
Yours Truly, John McCain
Fritz @ 138:
""".as well. I actually really feel sorry for these sheep"""
It's time that these SHEEP GET SLAUGHTERED!!!!!!
I guess I'll whisper it- (pssstt... as a member of the sane black majority, I think the fact that there were only 36 black RNC delegates is a wonderful thing).
Ummm...I think it's easy...for the GOP to get the "minority" vote, they should just get an able black "speachifier" (heh) who can better argue for AIPAC than the white ones.
This whole election is a scam. Those who really run this country made sure McCain was the Republican candidate because they didn't want their rig to be as obvious as the last two presidential elections. Obama is as much a tool as G.W..
You gotta hand it to the riggers though...they've suckered the American people hook-line-and-sinker this time. They won't need Diebold to do the fix, nor the Supreme Court. They've refined the process to create the illusion that that there really is a "choice." "McSame" or the articulate black dude. And hell, isn't it time for the self-loathing white oppressors to make up for their ancestor's racial guilt of slavery? Oh! By the way, you self-loathing whites, forget that many of your ancestors died believing that they fought the "good fight" against the very thing you hate about yourselves -- namely, the idea of racial superiority and slavery.
Go ahead and vote for the modern day racial supremacists who've taken over U.S. foreign policy and who, in our time, oppress and murder the innocent as well as threaten the world with their racial agenda. Just because Obama is a Democrat, don't believe for a second that his agenda is any different than that of the NeoCons -- both of their positions make it clear that the rabid Zionists are in control. Do some research, you'll learn the real answer to the question, "why do they hate us?"
But then again, I know full well that the majority of the American "left" won't do that -- they're too busy dealing with the manipulations of their psyches by those who are, unfortunately for the world, wiser and more conniving, than they are.
"By way of deception, you shall make war."
Most readers to this site probably are ignorant of that phrase. Let me enlighten you -- that is the motto of Mossad. I'm assuming that some of you will even know what Mossad is -- though I doubt that many will.
There was a time that the American "left" were considered the "intellectuals," the "well-read," and the "not easily-fooled." My, have the mighty fallen! But then again, even I know their weakest link is to appeal to perceived guilt that their ancestors tried to make right with their blood since almost two centuries ago. That is the ace in the hole for those have appointed Obama as the next figurehead in the Oval Office.
Both McCain AND Obama have gone out of their way to show their allegiance to AIPAC and Israel. Is it any wonder that Obama spoke in Berlin about the "walls that divide us" and yet while in Israel he didn't mention the wall that that government built to divide Palestinian families from each other? The wall even condemned by the United Nations as illegal under international law? No, what was shown to the world was Obama visiting the ancient "wailing wall" wearing a yarmulke, like very other U.S. governmental Zionist stooge.
People of the U.S. -- you've been had.
so mcKeatingFive picked Palin so that they could re-populate the white race in america?
Grace @ 128:
Missed it by that much!
Mr Grey @ 132:
ABC will have the effluent chuckie "repug" gibson determine if Palin is a cunning linguist.
anonymous @ 145:
whatever you may be right about, you are certainly wrong on one thing: on the left, the motivation is not guilt, it is laziness, greed and selfishness.
CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Victory Over SCLM, DIEBOLD, ESS and SEQUOIA! @ 147:
Missed it by that much!
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