Open Thread
By bluegal Monday Nov 10, 2008 8:30pm
Life holds few guarantees, but I'll bet the Ronald Reagan tribute at the 2012 Republican National Convention is going to be more awesome than ever! [Alternative GOP logos from Thomas Fuchs, see more here.]
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i'm beginning to believe in that kool-aid thingy.
Bushco gave the banks a $140 billion extra glasses of that kool-aid thingy and they hid it inside the $700 billion glasses of kool-aid thingy.
A Quiet Windfall for US Banks
With attention on bailout debate, Treasury made change to tax policy.
The financial world was fixated on Capitol Hill as Congress battled over the Bush administration's request for a $700 billion bailout of the banking industry. In the midst of this late-September drama, the Treasury Department issued a five-sentence notice that attracted almost no public attention.
But corporate tax lawyers quickly realized the enormous implications of the document: Administration officials had just given American banks a windfall of as much as $140 billion.
http://www.truthout.org/111008A
Guess Who’s Coming to SINNER?
I have had enough of Uncle Ronnie to last a lifetime.
He wasn't good the first time around. His lasting conservatism will hopefully be as gone as he.
Obama wants Marxism/socialism/fascism (but he's not sure which one, exactly)
Rightwing paranoia. Dontcha just love it? In his July 2 speech at Colorado University Obama pledged that enhanced public service and active citizenship would be a central cause of his presidency. Regarding the “civilian national security force” in the speech, Obama was referring to a proposal for a civilian reserve corps that could handle *foreign* postwar reconstruction efforts such as rebuilding infrastructure — an idea endorsed by the Bush administration.
The comments by Rep. Broun that, based on this speech, Obama is planning a Marxist dictatorship and actually Compares Obama to Hitler (!) are preposterous, delusional and just plain disgusting and deserves a public censure.
Why is it always seemingly OK for Republicans to compare anyone they dislike to Hitler if it's not OK for others to say that of Republicans (which it isn't, unless they're behaving as fascists)?
I recall Dick Durbin getting into trouble over this and having Faux lose its collective wig over it. So why is this being permitted now?
Heh, yeah, I read that article earlier in the day, odanny. Wow. Rep. Broun's got some problems.
Funny how George Bush's behavior never worried him, but Obama's references to building up the Peace Corps, and having a civilian force to respond to disasters makes him think Obama is planning a Gestapo army answerable only to him.
Is his wife's name "Ava?"
I know your soul is unsettled because partisan hacks have stolen your stellar record of governing (WTF?). But, be not upset. The Republican Party, who have stolen your style, will go the way of the Whigs. Good riddance.
In 2004, the total vote count was nearly 312k.
In 2008, the vote count, with an Alaskan on the Republican ticket, is just a bit over 217k. That's a difference of ~95k votes, or 30%.
How is that possible? Where are the missing ballots? Begich is down by ~3,200 votes to convicted Felon Ted Stevens, with over 90k ballots missing. Why isn't anyone talking about this?
and should begin counting immediatly
guess rove didnt find a good enough hiding place
From: The Disenfranchisement of My Daughter
I totally agree, I bet way more areas went to Obama and many other different races went democrat, too. The voting machines were not fixed.
You know Alaska is corrupt, and Georgia has to be. Voter fraud is probably tradition in Georgia yet.
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there are about 90k ballots which have yet to be counted (per the AK senator on Maddow tonight). He also said that Stevens' own pollster said that he thought Bagich (sic) would win.
he has been so entrenched in alaska politics that it's not beyond imagining that cheating happened here.
but look at nate silver's analysis. he's the most reliable. he got the results of the general election to 0.1 accuracy.
I had not heard that. I did listen to Maddow's radio show for a few minutes on the way home this evening (John was on!), but didn't catch her show tonight.
this is just freeloading. doesnt she have a house of her own? taxpayer money shouldnt be used to pay for living expenses for an extended relative. it's improper.
if obama is foisting his mother-in-law into the white house and letting the people pay for her expenses then he should at least help out his brother who is living in poverty in kenya. god knows he can afford it.
the robinson family seems to be more dominant than obama's family. maya may have been in hawaii because of their grandmother but in-laws should be more low-key.
And having a grandmother to help care for two young girls is wrong?
You have some seriously fucked up values.
dont want my taxes feeding her. hire a nanny.
They just use your taxes for bombing babies in foreign countries and they can use mine to pay for her food.
wish i could separate your taxes from mine.
Here's a loaf of french bread and some cheese to go with that whine.
Call this schmoe a waaah-mbulance.
First ladies have duties, too. Jeebus...what a maroon.
michelle obama said she'll be mommy-in-chief.
and you're still a whiney nutball.
tsk tsk.
... instead of attracting insults, I doubt you would have launched attacks on an old woman and two little girls.
You're a troll - and a poor one at that.
But I am curious, just how are you enjoying the complete discrediting of every single aspect of conservative philosophy? What is it like when your head is about to explode?
anyone who criticizes obama is a troll? this is disturbing.
i said what i believe is objectionable or improper.
I never said anyone who criticizes Obama is a troll, I said you were a troll.
And I agree that what you believe is objectionable or improper.
Now go away.
i've been posting for a long time and i dont intend on going away.
baaaad troll, bad troll.... look at all your droppings.
Only if their nickname is masha because masha is concerned about an extra mouth to feed at the White House but has not said a peep about two trillion dollars the fed secretly gave to banks in September. That is about 200 billion over priced meals. Now let me see... There are 6 billion people on earth. If they were all lucky enough to eat three meals (three overpriced meals)a day that 2 trillion dollars could feed them for over three years.
45,000 people starve to death each day.That is 16 million people a year.
I am sure that if you could stick your head up your ass any further you would do your utmost.
Umm...that would come out of your pocket more so, as the Obamas don't have to pay the kids' grandmother, but they would have to pay a nanny. And since the president is a *government* employee, he is paid with tax dollars. Your tax dollars--and mine.
Therefore, YOU would pay for a nanny. But you won't be paying for a grandma.
Get that?
Thank you.
; )
1) do in-laws normally have secret service detail? she will if she lives in the white house. expense
2) she'll probably be assigned a staff member. expense.
3) nannies dont have to be there all the time. only when needed. michelle o herself said her kids are her top priority. theyre mostly in school for the entire week and 10 months in a year. when will they need her? how much do they really need michelle's mother? do nannies get 24/7 security detail. they normally have 2 at least per protectee.
live-out nannies wont have living expenses 24/7, 365 days/year.
will she redecorate her future room? at whose expense?
she can visit like laura bush's mother but for her to live there is not cost-effective to the country.
imagine todd palin's mother moving into the gov's mansion in alaska.
it's improper.
If, Maybe, Probably with nothing to support it.
Bitch and whine.
WAAAAAH
cant argue yourself?
... call a truce in Iraq for 10 minutes. That will pay for all of that with change left over.
A Vice-President with five kids, one of them a special needs child who will require a nanny as his mother tends to a full schedule?
If McCain had won, we'd see the entire Palin family move into the Naval Observatory. Technically, Bristol should marry Levi and move out, but she's underage in most states and unable to hold a job.
Would you be making the same noise?
In the summertime during power outages Masha is invited to gatherings so she can cool the locals with her flapping lips.
In the traditional family that's exactly what happened.
Grandma gets up early starts the fire takes care of the little kids while mom and dad and the older kids work.
No corporate Senior Care.
No corporate Child Care.
Extended family. Much more a part of black culture than of white.
Also the culture in many Jewish and Asian households. It is definitely something whites should embrace.
And in Native households, it goes without saying.
Also the same in Native American culture. I am half Native and my grandmother and grandfather (before he passed away) used to take care of us while my mother and father worked in the years before I went to school.
so would you feel better if they put her on the payroll for six figures? would that make you feel better?
obama should leave it to the governor to decide. floating jarrett's name and fielding her out to the talk shows are blatant acts of trying to influence the governor's decision.
What's up with you?
You object to the color of Obama's suit, too? His toothpaste too sparkly for a respectable president? Maybe the color of his orange juice is a little too bright?
You sound like someone who's complaining just to hear yourself complain. You'll be taken a hell of a lot more seriously if you address something of true importance.
argue if it's not cronyism. you're post will have more value.
Listen, I don't give a rat's ASS if you think my posts have value or not. If you want to dispute what I say, be my guest, I'm happy to talk, debate, agree, what have you. That's what the thread's here for, and you have just as much right to it as I do.
But before you go off on the value of something, perhaps you should learn how to spell.
A bad case of the shits. We get off the pot and all of a sudden you're back.
I have a tentative date for when I will be out your way...January 6th or so, for a week.
Go to my blog and post a comment, I will email you.
http://livefrankly.wordpress.com
I couldn't figure out how to get to your page with the link you posted.
http://myfightfordemocracy.blogspot.com/2007/...
Try again, please.
Well, I tried to fix it...here.
http://livefrankly.wordpress.com
One too many S's up there.
It's done.
: )
And I think you're nit-picking. Presidents typically try to influence governors and others in positions of power in order to best insure their program's success. Elections have consequences.
I don't see cronyism here. Jarrett's clearly capable, and she's trusted. What the governor decides to do is up to the governor. If Jarrett were incompetent, that might be another story. It's not like she's Michael Brown and has been picked to run FEMA because she's a big donor, or Harriet Miers to be on the Supreme Court because she happens to have a law degree. *That's* cronyism.
Not to mention an absurd distortion of the "Peter Principle."
cronyism is just defined as favoring your friends. if obama truly wants to be a different kind of politician then let the governor be as he said he would.
thanks for the correction on *your*.
If you look it up, what it adds to your definition is the line, "without regard to their qualifications."
But that's fine. I can agree to disagree.
"CNN reports that Obama sources say Valerie Jarrett will stay on as an adviser in the White House -- not as an appointee to Obama's vacant Senate seat, as had been rumored over the weekend."
who the heck cares where they go to school. what i'm concerned about is that the people do not pay for their schooling.
i'm getting sick of seeing these two girls all over the news and reporters speculating on what kind of dog they'll get. enough already.
you could have put this all in one thread...you chose not to...why?
do you honestly think that any of this bothers us?
might bother the guys over at redstate...but those racist pigs are looking for anything to complain about
obama bringing his mother-in-law into the wh is a beautiful thing...it shows the importance of extended family
but to you, it would be better if the girls were raised by a nanny...cuz you hate black children
you are now concerned about the obama children being educated on the taxpayer dollar...spare me...you hate that black children get any education at all
bet it totally freaks you out that obama's cos attends a modern orthodox synagogue, is a supporter of israel, but for some strange reason, isnt a friggin wingnut....you see, rahm, like me, understands that after you people are finished hating the black...its the jews turn again
anybody who criticizes obama is racist?
i've been commenting here before and i have supported obama against the right wing.
these stories bury more important issues. too much time on too insignificant a matter.
to show the idiocy of the right...or to bitch about nothing
im a bit confused
thanks for putting that out there.
Where are the girls going to go to school?
I don't keep up with those things ..
Please enlighten me, OK?
and are looking at two private schools in DC now. One is in Georgetown and I don't recall the other.
Are you aware how government employees' salaries are paid?
You may have had some company in wanting to keep these girls out of public schools. But sorry, we won that fight, and their right to attend public school is Constitutionally protected.
Oh, and they are going to have a blast playing with their new puppy in their White House. Why? Because their father is President-Elect Barack Hussein Obama.
I don't know about you guys but I'm getting tired of Truth be told, concerned Canuck and those other asshats raining on our parade. We deserve to bask in our glory for awhile for our successful election of a democratic President. I'm just asking if you could do as I plan to, don't respond to them.
Add masha to the list. Whiner.
if they make one post...then respond to the responses
but this masha whatever is an attention whore
almost got engaged to one...i was so drained by the relationship that i alluded to being gay, and she ran away
such anger. dont bust a vein.
im calling rahm...hes gonna grab his uzi and pop a cap in your ass
better yet, ill call his bro avi...he will berate you until you cry like the little bitch that you are
not
i tried to pull the same thing on redstate
played like i was one of them for weeks
you were good at playing lib...but we all know you aint
so head on back to redstate...tell them the great prank you played on the libs and how you really pwnd us with the obama mama in law thing, and the kids school...you will be a hero
C'mon, masha, he just called you out. You gonna stand for that? Huh?
What are you, some kinda thing-putter-upper-wither or something? You want all the kids to dance outside your window, laughing at you and chanting "masha's a thing-putter-upper-wither, masha's a thing-putter-upper-wither"?
but i'd rather you engage rather than insult. but that's just me.
what is tiresome is the name-calling but i can take it. i've put out an opinion and you can make an argument against it. but you chose to name-call. hope it's not going to be like this for the next four years. it's a sign of intolerance that we have seen from the right and it's now bubbling to surface among dems.
... seriously, what is the "got-cha" answer that you require. So that you can cut and paste it, and be the hero at whatever rathole you came from. So tell us, so we can write it... so you can quote it, so you can go....
You put up your point, and it's been refuted multiple times without name-calling.
But you keep coming back with 'I'm a liberal, just like you!' and 'Wah! Don't name call, discuss!' - the empty platitudes of the faux liberal/troll.
Your argument consists of 'It costs too much!' and has no substance beyond that. There's no legal reason for not allowing the girls' grandmother to stay as part of the family - in fact, the question that needs to be asked is if she routinely played a role in their upbringing, either living with the Obamas in Chicago, or if the girls went to grandma's before/after school, or if she relies on Barack & Michelle for some measure of care.
hahahah LOVE the 'colour blind test' logo... that's amazing.
those logos are great. Thomas Fuchs has talent.
Thanks for calling attention to it .. I missed it!
Skull and Bones in the Republican Party?
Each logo is a work of art by itself.
mean time, watch obama movin on up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BQpOQIcFQA
but i'd rather you engage rather than insult. but that's just me.
what is tiresome is the name-calling but i can take it. i've put out an opinion and you can make an argument against it. but you chose to name-call. hope it's not going to be like this for the next four years. it's a sign of intolerance that we have seen from the right and it's now bubbling to surface among dems.
EOM.
Sarah Palin on how she will decide whether to run for the White House in 2012:
Can we, like, create a political system where, like, the members of Know Knothing Knation are, like, marginalized as they should be?
talk for four years, I would have moved to the other side of the planet. Europe wouldn't have been far enough.
She speaks like she is still in high school, talking to people like she would her BFF.
Christ, she makes Bush and Bachmann look brilliant.
I'm sorry, but what comes to mind is that door bush tried to open in China, but couldn't. Remember the look on his face?
I wonder if Sarah's talkin' about the same door.
Ask God to teach you how to read, Sarah.
From the National Journal (via Digby):
Holy. Shit.
That's amazing, MsJoanne!
I have a response to the National Journal for trying to push anything Bushevik-related on us: Fool me once, shame on, shame on you. Butcha fool me can't git fooled again.
I don't remember laughing as hard at anything a winger wrote as I did when I read that. I think my neighbors heard me...and my house is pretty soundproof. Unreal. I'm still shaking my head that someone had the balls to actually write that.
But wait, there's more (via They gave us a republic):
What country has the guy who wrote that been living in?
(edited to correct my copy and paste)
or just balls-ass stoopid? I've got a desk calendar with 365 stupid things Bushie has said! Please!!
She just quoted it and ridiculed it.
... that certainly deserved ridicule.
is one of the best blogger in the blogosphere. She is AMAZING!
Read her stuff...it will blow you away.
... checked it out and you are right. She is amazing. Another good bookmark in my "politics" list. Thanks.
She deserves all the readers she gets.
....a calendar and two books - crammed full of carefully chosen, precision idiocy!
... that's just the 2008 calendar!
Which man has had his own "gaffe" calendar for the entirety of the time he's held national office?
... wait, wait. I know this, I know this... umm..... starts with a B, right?
(Sorry, just being snarky. I truly hate that man.)
Wow...
The unmitigated disaster that is the war on drugs takes an ironic turn.
Where kids will snatch up their parents meds, throw them all into a bowl and just grab whatever and down them. Weirdest shit I could ever imagine.
Having had my days of doing this, that, and the other thing, I couldn't fathom taking just any script drug. I have always been far more leary of prescription drugs and refuse them as often as I can (I can't seem to breathe right without Sudafed and Veramyst, unfortunately).
I am allergic to codeine and, not knowing that Percoset was in the codeine family, took that after the dentist gave it to me when he yanked a tooth...I spent two hours bleeding from the mouth while puking my guts up and feeling my hair standing on end...itching from head to toe.
Blech...you can keep that stuff.
pulling a little colored pill out of a big pot. If you can't master the use of your fingers to twist a piece of paper to hold your herb or even manipulate a razor blade or credit card on a hard surface, you are too lazy to do drugs, IMHO...
In hopes of winning 2012, Palin finally throws Bush under the bus. Will Obama's kids make Hannah Montana? Harvard will have to make cuts to their dumb white frat boy clubs.
Iraq is still not satisfied with the security "agreement".
We'll miss ya, Howie! Who's laughing at your roar now?!
James Carville can eat his words--and his hat.
Howard Dean is a big reason we won so handily this year.
Elephonts?
I would like to see one that depicts the Republican Elephant crapping out Sarah Palin while simultaneously reaching around to scoop her up and put her on its shoulders because that is what it looks like the Republicans are about to do.
I would prefer her running for POTUS in 2012 than going to the senate. Alaskans do not seem like the brightest or most ethical out there since they (possibly) returned Stevens and Young to the senate and if Palin gets there, well, I have one word: Bachmann. No, make that two (or three, depending on how you look at it): Steve King (R-IA).
They also possibly cheated. I tend to think they did. Will will know more after the 19th.
It just gets worse and worse.
Irrelephonts?
I still prefer "Banana Republicans."
Oh, it's kind of a blessed time here in the US. Listen to AM radio long enough, and you'll practically poop in your own pants...
Obama Spreads Wealth Like Virgin Thighs
P.S.: When will Firefox stop reading "Obama" as a misspelling? It's been two years, people, and the red underline is on my last nerve.
... right?
P.S.: When will Firefox stop reading "Obama" as a misspelling? It's been two years, people, and the red underline is on my last nerve.
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I was thinking the same thing yesterday. I know there's got to be a way to add acceptable spellings to the "dictionary", but really Firefox, get with the program...
What is next for Bush.
Only problem is that he keeps getting stuck. Too many bubbles...
Our brave heros are over there defending our right to blog,let's not forget them lets do our part and support them
http://barackobamacans.blogspot.com/2008/11/s...
see video: Joe "F-Bomb" Scarborough Strikes Again, Three Times the Charm
Obama is considering asking for Iran's help to deal with Afghanistan.
Fed refuses to publish the recipients of 2 trillion dollars in crash aid
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/weird-news/st...
I doubt this would have occurred had McCane been elected...
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/miami-dade/st...
on election night. Geez...
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/broward/story...
Funny how the same expression used in two different areas of the world can mean totally different things. Here in Texas when we say, "He's hacking up a lung," you know he's having a bad bout of hayfever. In Scotland, it means he's preparing a supper of haggis.
Or he is smoking too many cigarettes...
Ha Ha Ha
D'ja remember hearing about the elephant that got an enema?
Neither does he.
Just curious...
i would like to salute the veterans of the korean war ! thoes who died in combat thoes who have died over the years since many who were my fellow shipmates , to thoes who fought on land sea and in the air you were magnifcent! i talked to a guy yesterday who was giveing me an estimate on some work that needs done on my house ,we got started on veterans day and after he found out i was a korean war vet he thanked me for fighting for americas freedoms , i said no i didnt fight for your freedom it wasnt your freedom i fought for, he seemed as if i was rebuffing him for saying that! i told him dont be offended im only stateing a fact , my and thoes who fought in korea were fighting for the freedoms of the koreans and america had no freedoms to lose if we hadnt fought there, then i explained the reasons that the war happened then he understood why i said what i did, at any event korea was my contribution to anothers country as gregory peck said in the movie pork chop hill at the end when after ly clemons walked down the hill with the few men he had left , millions of koreans would live in freedom because of what these few did there in two days of desperate fighting , to the rest of the veterans of other wars ill let them say thier own praises for thier fellow vets!
Tyree -
My dad was on the Bonhomme Richard ... you?
yes i served with her off korea in task force 77, she did her crew proud, my ship was one of twenty screening for the carriers , the uss ozbourn DD 846, a 2250 gearing class destroyer HOPE YOUR FATHERS STILL WITH US!
Yes, he is, but he's got Alzheimer's and is in a care facility.
perhaps your fathers carrier has a ships website many do, have you checked,? my ship has one on the internet, im sorry about your dads alshimers hope he relayed some of his observations on his service to you, i was younger then most who went to korea i was 17 and a half, most were older !
service to this country.
I know it sounds cliche some times,but folks, we would not be able to be here typing away at our damn keyboards were it not for the sacrifices of brave men and women over the years.
In observance of Veterans Day, please call up any family or friends who have served and thank them, attend a parade, or raise a flag if you have one.
Do they make beef jerkey out of the grades of meat the military refuses?
no ysb but i suspected that they made a breakfas of shit on the shingle from it! i prefered ground beef, and thnx fastfeet,
Here in Texas they call shit on shingle biscuits in sausage gravy, and people slurp it up.
Whudda thunk it the military has higher standards?
he he want to gag? saturdays breakfast was corn bread navy beans powdered milk and prunes! barf
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Why you haven'nt lived until you've had a nice USMC under cooked runny white of an egg. The cooks finally let us cook our own eggs,while the cook sat and read a fuck book.
At Edwards AFB we had our own short order cook who made omelets to order. He used fresh eggs, and presumably the powder stuff. It was pretty good.
But the bacon was limp and greasy, and the cakes in the display stand I think used to be door stops until they got too hard.
For a month lunch and dinner was chicken fried steak, minute steak, salisbury steak, beef croquets etc. The name kept changing but it seemed to be the same piece of meat.
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God I hope so.....the box said: Rocky Mountian Rooster Farm.....oh no...
Don'tcha mean Broke Back Mountain Rooster Farm?
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