Would McCain Negotiate With Syria?

Check out this very interesting interview with the Syrian ambassador Imad Moustapha at Foreign Policy magazine.

He says clearly that the US raid into Syria was a "criminal, terrorist act", that it was done for reasons of US politics, that it blind-sided State who he had been negotiating with...and that Joe Lieberman personally assured him that McCain will negotiate with Syria if he wins.

Foreign Policy: The United States claims its Sunday night raid was undertaken to stem the flow of militants into Iraq. Why do you think this raid happened?

Imad Moustapha: Do we know why? Of course not. The only analysis we have is that they are doing this for pure domestic political reasons that have everything to do with the elections and the electoral campaign. They want to come out with a story.

But we are still waiting for the U.S. administration to come out and tell the American people: “We killed [Abu Ghadiya], and here is the proof that we killed him.” We have presented our side of the story. We have published the photos of the eight people that were killed, their names, and what they were doing. This is our side of the story. Let the United States come with its side.

... Suddenly, after everybody has recognized that the situation has improved dramatically in Iraq, [the United States] comes and they attack a village in Syria. They coldbloodedly murder eight Syrian civilians, villagers who are totally defenseless, totally innocent. This is a terrorist, criminal act.

The implication here is that the Bush administration wanted to boost McCain's standing in the poills with a little shock and awe and, since Iraq just doesn't provide the requisite level of fearmongering any more and attacking Iran would be too big a can of worms to open, they decided to launch a raid into the weaker neighbour.

Ambassador Moustapha continues by pointing out that Syria has had tens of thousands of troops trying to interdict their border with Iraq - at American behest - for years now. (And despite reports to the contrary, seems to have no intention of reducing that presence now.) However the US with its considerably greater resources has done less than Syria has to stem the flow of smugglers and militants.

Why didn’t [the United States] stop [the insurgents] for five years? They are the most powerful, advanced nation in the whole world. Their military size is at least 500 times our military’s size. Their military hardware is zillions of times more advanced than ours. If we can stop them, the United States can do a 10,000-times better job than us.

Each border in the world has two sides. I would say to [U.S. officials]: “We are doing everything possible within our means to stop them. These are porous borders. These are our means and capabilities. Prior to your war on Iraq, we used to have a couple of hundred of soldiers across this border. Because of your invasion and occupation of Iraq, we increased the numbers to tens of thousands.”

...Syria is not a rich country. We were not supposed to build dormitories and posts there just to help the American invasion of Iraq. However, we had to do this for one simple reason: If the United States believed that there are insurgents crossing the border into Iraq, we will not give the United States a pretext to attack Syria.

Well, that plan didn't work for the Syrians. Why not? The ambassador, without naming names, points to Cheney and the neocons and in so doing lays out evidence that Rice and State were blindsided:

...only last month in New York in September, while we were attending the U.N. General Assembly meetings, [U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza] Rice out of the blue requested a meeting with our foreign minister. So we sat with her, and the meeting was pleasant. Two days later, this meeting was followed with an extensive, in-depth meeting with Assistant Secretary of State David Welch. Every issue was discussed, and in general the overwhelming tone of the meeting was very positive. He told us clearly that the United States was reevaluating its policies towards Syria. We thought, “Things [are] finally starting to move in the right direction.”

And suddenly, this [raid in eastern Syria] happens. I don’t believe the guys from the State Department were actually deceiving us. I believe they genuinely wanted to engage diplomatically and politically with Syria. We believe that other powers within the administration were upset with these meetings and they did this exactly to undermine the whole new atmosphere.

That would fit well with reports that General Petraeus wanted to go talk to Syria too, but was prevented from doing so by Cheney. The purpose of all this is twofold - to give McCain and Republicans a foreign policy talking point in the lead-up to Tuesday and to perhaps complicate Obama's first few months in office. Just how much of a complication that could be came today as, in reaction to the Syria raid, Iraq wants to remove any possibility that U.S. troops could remain after 2011 from a proposed security agreement now under negotiation. If the the SOFA talks stall and the UN security agreement expires at the end of the year, leaving US forces in a legal limbo, the Bush administration will have deliberately set up Obama for the "crisis" that Republicans have been claiming would come in the first six months of an Obama presidency.

Yet despite the McCain camp's echoing of the neocon/Cheney faction's "no appeasement" rhetoric on Syria, the ambassador charges that they're lying through their teeth in public, again for partisan base-boilstering purposes.

I have reason to believe that even if [Senator John] McCain becomes president of the United States, he will also be inclined to sit and talk with Syria. I can tell you this on the record: Senator Joe Lieberman, who is supposed to be very close to McCain, has said this explicitly and very clearly to me personally.

Then again, maybe Joe was just lying to the ambassador.

Congressman Kucinch "We Must Question the Timing. We are on the eve of national elections and we must be mindful of the Administration's past manipulation of security issues in order to influence public opinion."

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what's the point.

If Joe Leiberman told me it was day light outside I would have to look for myself.

Syria's religious makeup and it's lack of oil revenue you'd think it would be a natural target for diplomacy for any President. If the Golan Heights issue could be settled a natural realignment of economic interests could fundamentally change the balance of animosities that is the Middle East.

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It's not TERRORISM when the USA does it!

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I thought that syria was secularist ever since the 82 Hama decimation...

He seemed so shocked by the suggestion that the Syrian attack was launched to somehow influence the US election.

Just the differences in their facial expressions is striking. Sanchez is a smily, fluffy, CNN-owned, prettyboy airhead. Kucinich is a sober, intelligent, serious man who knows what he is talking about and is justifiably alarmed by the crimes he sees being committed by Bush/Cheney. I hope Kucinich keeps up the good fight.

annoys me, well said, on many levels, not up to the low standards of cnn.

I think Sanchez is playing devil's advocate on this one. I'll give him a pass for his overly emotive style after he took down to right-wingers this week who tried accusing Barack Obama, Rashid Khalidi (sp?) and Jeremiah Wright of anti-semitism.

I really hate the pearly whites and the, "Thanks for the conversation," at the end of all of these Sanchez pieces, though. A bit fake, imo.

OK,

every once in a blue moon Sanchez does the right thing. You are correct on that point.

Devil's advocate, or crafting his own image? What do you think; honestly? He's a wind-up doll looking for a contract extension, most likely.

There is no "journalism" in the USA: everyone is shooting for "rock star" status. The end. It's a product of the last 40 years of television, and the likes of "People" and "Us" magazine.

...puts his finger in the air to see which way the wind is blowing on any given day. Seriously, I don't know where these "news" networks/cable channels find these "journaists?reporters"???

He's promoting Rick Sanchez and nothing else..!

I won't vote for him.

He sucks.

Obama is so much better.

He'll end our war in Iraq. And not send troops to Afghanistan.

Vote for Obama. He'll give you everything you want.

And more!

ever get tired of posting the same thing time after time. At least try to post something interesting once in awhile.

peace is afoote.

I've a one-track mind.

I want my America back.

The America I knew as a kid, minus the Jim Crow shit.

the ones who remember what it used to be like, minus the Jim Crow shit, to be sure. But, damn! We got to give Obama a chance and not bury him before he has had a chance to lead.

Lets see what he does and if he "goes rogue" I will be right there to criticize him along with many.

But jeeze, give him a break, please.

He's different -- he's black.

He's different -- um, I don't know.

FISA immunity.

Saying this and doing that?

Yeah. Vote for Obama. Hope for change.

when he was interviewed by Bill Moyers, the next 20 years are going to be rough.
Would you rather have this country in the hands of a centrist like Obama or a right wing crazy like McCain?
I wanted Kucinich to be elected but we got Obama. There is nothing I can do to change reality.
Yes, I know about FISA and was disappointed. Angry, really. I will be disappointed many times more probably and get angry many more times but damn, I'd rather have Obama than McCain, bottom line. Those are the choices. Them's the breaks.

Nothing is going to get better until your country starts healing itself. Face it, there is a malaise at the core of your nation right now. I believe Obama is the most qualified for that healing process to begin.

But surely they don't all suck to the same degree do they? I'm sure if you put your mind to it you can find some reason to differentiate between them and I would be interested in hearing that reasoning.

One of my greatest hopes is that you come to the U.S., run for the U.S. Congress, and get elected as a member of the House of Representatives.

I'd then enjoy how you were seduced and bought off.

Figuratively speaking.

n/t

... WAR IS PEACE!

Of Course...
... The war in Iraq will end by the end of his first term, maybe.

Of Course...
... Troop adjustments in Afghanistan won't be increased, that much.

Of Course...
... Over the border incursions won't happen, unless it's Pakistan or Syria.

Of Course...
... International Law will be enforced, unless it suits our needs.

Of Course...
... The Bush Doctrine will be thrown out, only to be used in times of convenience.

Of Course...
... More money will be used to continue the illegal occupation of a nation that never attacked America.

Of Course...
... The military industrial complex will NOT see a decline in funding.

Of Course...
... War is Peace.

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You are brilliant.

find low altitude points you can defend, and then draw a line, and give up on anything accross that line. you won't win the mountains.

Who's the CNN wind-up toy asking the idiotic questions? I'm SO sick of U.S. "journalism" that's about as deep as this anchor's foundation makeup.

....if it would get him elected.

been on a number of other sites, this one works so well. no trolls.

The most beautiful time of year, and these cold-blooded assclowns want to trample yet more borders. The Bush Doctrine SUX.

and chopping off sections of the constitution he has sworn to defend.

our new President should be able to calm things down. Pull back the troups, see what happens among the various factions - Shites, Sunni & Kurds. It's not our job to be referee. I still don't understand WTF is going on in Afganistan that is something we have control over. The time has come for Empire Building to stop. If they choose not to join modern civilisation, the hell with 'em.

Get the people out who do not want to live under such oppression, ship those who profess it to the area and block off all moderized technologies to them. Hopefully it won't be too late.

Hey, it was just a "pin prick" according to Sanchez (who is not pretty-- Calgarylady-- total generic droid). I guess somehow it's OK to do that to "those nations". Now let's say the US suspected some terrorists in Canada (which they do, or say they do, so our governement can go all Nazi too) and they decided to fly a few helicopters into Canada for a "pin prick" invasion, would it be the same sort of coverage?

And, I certainly admire Kucinich for cutting through the crap time and time again. He's spot on here.

Yeah, love the term 'pin prick'. I guess those poor Syrians died of a thousand 'pin pricks'. One hell of a way to go, eh.

They're losing the election so they go and murder some people in Syria to make trouble and hope America will turn to John McNasty?

That's utterly sick and degraded. They HAD to know it wouldn't change anybody's mind, that they'll still lose the election.

Unless McNasty, McMooseLips, and the Republicans denounce the Bush administration for doing this, I'll continue to say what I've said before. I despise Republicans. I'll be so glad when this election is over.

Maybe we can turn over a new leaf and begin the healing of America. But I'm gonna' push for the Obama administration to bring the Bush administration to justice. I won't sleep well at night unless that happens.

Well, yes. First it was Georgia. Now Syria. Only 71 hours left for one last attack. The question is, will it be foreign or domestic?

It's all the Bushco supporters & the lemmings following their twisted logic who give decent Republicans a bad name. We've been conned these 8 years and our elected Dem. officials have been unnerved to do anything about it.

It would be a patriotic act to bring these greedy, immoral SOBs to justice. if they don't flee to Paraguay first.

The president of Paraguay last week, wonder what he was discussing, their million plus acre hideaways and no extraditions !?

to that? I hadn't read it anywhere, but then, I haven't been looking either.

JO

Here you go, from the White House itself:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2008/...

As soon a Obama is elecetd (or even before) we should let him know that we want all of these criminals held to account. We don't have to put any of them on trial here - just ship them off to the Hague and let the international court handle the "Justice." I trust them to do the right thing! NO?

Eight innocent people died, where's the outrage? There's never enough outrage about war crimes in this country, it's sad. Kucinich proves once again to be a real human being.

McCain starts his voter fraud plan before election day!
A must see for this tuesday... Because this could be you!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGF-HEd6XnA

The ambassador and Mr. Kucinich are right. Colombia attacked rebels in Ecuador at the beggining of 2008 and the world condemned that action. Now the USA attacks rebels in Syria. This is the same violation but the world says nothing. The USA must publicly apologize as Colombia did.

And I want to congratulate to all pacifist Americans for posting you want to bring the war-minded Bush administration to international justice. We, the rest of the world, don't want more lies and invasions.

uh oh the UK have a different take on it, they say syria leaked information, and allowed the operation to take place..

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/m...

Catch-22

That Times piece is by Uzi Mahnaimi, and rests on the word of anonymous "sources in Washington". Yeah, right - and another Israeli tabloid reporter had the same story the other day from anonymous officials in Israel, who got it from anonymous "US officials". Called Cheney.

Try googling Uzi Mahnaimi's name and the word "liar".

You HAVE to see what Sarah Palin just did now!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1exiyBYnJ00

This bunch of modern day morons do not care about who gets killed as long as it is not them. chenny from his undisclosed location to little george in the whitehouse have no concren for human life never have and never will.
Why do you think idiot republicans voted for them?
It was how they got their war on without having to be personally involved.
A crowd of sick depraved people!

While it is certainly admirable to see and hear Congressman Kucinich condemn the United States's illegal attack against Syria, what seems to have gone entirely unnoticed is that Barack Obama, the [supposed] "peace" candidate, has, as far as I can determine, said absolutely nothing concerning this latest case of U.S. unprovoked aggression. Obama's silence on this matter speaks volumes regarding his determination to remain mute on this subject. One expects McCain to back Bush's actions but is it too much to expect Obama to speak in condemnation the way that Kucinich did? The mark of a man of integrity is to protest the actions of one's government when that government is wrong instead of waiting either after the presidential election is over or until he assumes the duties of president. What Obama has done [or, to be more correct, has not done] goes a long way in proving how little concern he has in regards to invading and killing innocent civilians in foreign lands. But given the fact that Obama has supported what Bush had done in Pakistan, when Pakistani civilians were killed by drone missiles, it should come as no surprise that Obama would stand mute as more innocent people die at the hands of the U.S. military.

If Kucinich is right (about the Syrian fiasco being an attempt by the GOP to alter the national mood before an election) then Obama's camp is correct in not taking the bait.

Ronen Bergman, an Israeli intelligence expert and author of the recent "The Secret War with Iran," speculates that Syria green-lighted the U.S. operation. Link:

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/babylonbeyond...

Wise of Obama to butt out until all info. is known. Meanwhile McCain's camp tried to goad Obama declaring that Obama would never go after terrorists in Syria (unlike Pakistan?). McCain was of course silent it seems. Did he know something no one else knew? Why hasn't the US done more along the border. Could it be because it has turned a blind eye so it could continue to justify the war against al-qaeda?

didn't realize uzi was a bad source... thanks..

Remind me again where in the Constitution it says that we and/or Petraeus have to pay any attention to Cheney?

What's even scarier is that Palin will have that power by default. Biden is only less scary by comparison.

Want something even scarier? McLame/Palin elected, McLame dies, Palin appoints First Dud as Vice. Or her Wasilla pastor.

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