Gospel of Hate: Arizona pastor Steve Anderson spews bile toward Obama, Frank, and gays
By David Neiwert Saturday Aug 22, 2009 10:00am
Pam Spaulding happened upon this character named Steven Anderson, who preaches from the pulpit at Faithful Word Baptist Church in Tempe, Arizona. I compiled some of the more, ah, interesting bits from the sermons I surveyed into the 20-minute audio above.
As you can hear, this is pure eliminationism with a Biblical veneer. First he demands that all gays and lesbians face the death penalty:
The same God who instituted the death penalty for murders is the same god who instituted the death penalty for rapists and for homosexuals, sodomites and queers!
That's what it was instituted for, okay? That's God, he hasn't changed. Oh, God doesn't feel that way in the New Testament ... God never "felt" anything about it, he commanded it and said they should be taken out and killed.
You know why God wanted the sodomites in the Old Testament to be killed? You know why every good king of Israel, the Bible says they got rid of the sodomites in the land? You know, the good kings that came after the bad kings who had allowed the sodomites to infest their land, they had infiltrated ... King Asa got the sodomites out of the land, Jehoshaphat exterminated the sodomites that were left from the days of his father, Asa. Why? Because the sodomites are infectious, that's why. Because they're not reproducers, that goes without saying, they're recruiters.
How are they multiplying? Do you not see that they're multiplying? Are you that blind? Have you noticed that there's more than there were last year and the year before, and the year before that? How are they multiplying? They're reproducing right? No, here's a biology lesson: they're not reproducers, they're recruiters! And you know who they're after? Your children. Remember you dropped off your kids last week? That's who they're after. You drop them off at some daycare, you drop them off at some school somewhere, you don't know where they're at. I'll tell you where they're at: they're being recruited by the sodomites. They're being molested by the sodomites. I can tell you so many stories about people that I know being molested and recruited by the sodomites.
They recruit through rape. They recruit through molestation. They recruit through violation. They are infecting our society. They are spreading their disease. It's not a physical disease, it's a sin disease, it's a wicked, filthy sin disease and it's spreading on a rampage. Can't you see that it's spreading on a rampage? I mean, can you not see that? Can you not see that it's just exploding in growth? Why? Because each sodomite recruits far more than one other sodomite because his whole life is about recruiting other sodomites, his whole life is about violating and hurting people and molesting 'em.
[Via RightWing Watch.]
Then he rips into Barney Frank, blaming him for the economic collapse:
I'm here to preach the Bible. And I'm sick to death -- hey, let me tell you something. Our country is run by faggots. You know who wrote this 700-billion-dollar bailout bill? You know who was the man who was the architect of the bailout? His name is Barney Franks, he is a pedophile, he has been arrested for uh, interacting with boys that are in their teenage years when he's in his 50s, it's in the news, he's been arrested for it. He is a pedophile, he is a homosexual, he has stood up in the floor of the sacred halls of justice and said, 'I am gay, I am a sodomite.'
That's Barney Frank, that's who just sold our country into fascism. That's who just sold our corporations to the government. That's who sold out our country, a faggot! And I'm here to tell you something! I'm not going to stand for it, and let a faggot run the church! It's bad enough that we've got a bunch of faggots running the government!
Most disturbing of all, you can hear him, in his Aug. 16 sermon titled "I Hate Barack Obama," not only openly avow his complete and utter hatred of the president, but openly wish for his death -- because of his support for abortion rights and the "lewdness" he supposedly has brought to American society.
His key motif, inspired by one of King David's imprecatory prayers against his enemies, is to compare Obama to a slug or snail and wishing he could pour salt on him:
Yeah, God appointed him to destroy this country for the wickedness of the United States of America. God appointed him because that's what our country has turned into. That's who we deserve as a president.
But let me tell you something: I don't love Barack Obama. I don't respect Barack Obama. I don't obey Barack Obama. And I'd like Barack Obama to melt like a snail tonight. Because he needs to recompense, he needs to reap what he's sown.
You see, any Christian will tell you that someone who commits murder should get the death penalty. Because that's what it says in Genesis Chapter 9, that's what it says in the Mosaic Law, that's what it teaches us throughout the Bible. 'Who so sheds man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed.' 'From the image of God created he Man.'
And when Barack Obama is gonna push his partial birth abortion, his salty saline solution abortion, hey, he deserves to be punished for what he's done. I'm not going to pray for God to bless Barack Obama. This is my prayer tonight to Barack Obama.
...Now, look, if somebody wants me, it somebody twisted my arm and tells me to pray for Barack Obama, this is what I'm going to pray, because this is the only prayer that applies to him: 'Break his teeth, O God, in his mouth. You know, as a snail which melteth, let him pass away. Like the untimely birth of a woman, that he thinks -- he calls it a woman's right to choose, you know, he thinks it's so wonderful. He ought to be aborted. It ought to be, 'Abort Obama.'
He goes on to equate Obama with Hitler, Stalin, and Jeffrey Dahmer. Then he explains:
You say why are you preaching this, you know what? Because it makes me mad. I'm mad. I don't know about you, but I'm fed up tonight. I'm angry tonight. Because I'm angered by a bunch of preachers who want to sit back, and let America go to hell, let our freedoms go to hell, let the souls of Americans go to hell, and we all just sit back and just, we're comfortable, we're lazy, we're lukewarm, we're neither cold nor hot, and we want to come to church and have our ears tickled. Hey! This isn't to tickle your ears, it's to give you a swift kick in the pants tonight! 'Cuz that's what you need every once in awhile!
... But I'm here to tell you tonight, that God is a God of wrath and vengeance. And that's the message that oughta be thundering from every pulpit in America today. People oughta be trembling today. People in America oughta be scared to death and trembling! And saying, 'Oh God! What are you gonna do to our country?! Oh, God! Are we gonna be able to survive?! Oh, God! Are you gonna allow us to go into the depths of socialism, and communism with Barack Obama!?'
Anderson goes on to mangle Obama's personal history, buying whole into the "birther" mythology that Obama was actually born in Kenya (using a bevy of racist stereotypes along the way), and then says that people like Obama are "so wicked" that they become "animals" who are "not human" and "past feeling."
That leads to this:
Let me tell you something: Barack Obama has wrought lewdness in America. America has become lewd. What does lewd mean? L-E-W-D? [Pause] Obscene. Right? Dirty. Filthy. Homosexuality. Promiscuity. All of the -- everything that's on the billboard, the TV. Sensuality. Lewdness! We don't even know what lewdness means anymore! We're just surrounded by it, inundated with it!
... And yet you're going to tell me that I'm supposed to pray for the socialist devil, murderer, infanticide, who wants to see young children and he wants to see babies killed through abortion and partial-birth abortion and all these different things -- you're gonna tell me I'm supposed to pray for God to give him a good lunch tomorrow while he's in Phoenix, Arizona.
Nope. I'm not gonna pray for his good. I'm going to pray that he dies and goes to hell. When I go to bed tonight, that's what I'm going to pray. And you say, 'Are you just saying that?' No. When I go to bed tonight, Steven L. Anderson is going to pray for Barack Obama to die and go to hell.
You say, 'Why would you do that?' That our country could be saved.
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It's so amusing how completely these people prove that evolution is right - we really are descended from the same creatures as monkeys and apes. I mean, how much more primate can you get?
Also, yet another cherry-picker. He takes the ONE rule in Leviticus that reinforces his own hateful stereotypes, and ignores the other hundreds of rules in the book which aren't convenient to him. Childish, transparent, and rampant among those who pretend to follow Christ's teachings. No originality at all. It's getting boring, frankly.
If you wanted to be truly consistent and support the death penalty in every place the Bible condones it, most of the people in this country would have to be executed. And practically all of the Conservatives.
This man is a lunatic. He sounds like Hitler.
Clearly Anderson has serious psychiatric issues...I'm curious if religion can be the cause- or if it simply attracts people who have mental illness and no grasp on reality?
With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
-Steven Weinberg
Religion IS mental illness.
It is not mental illness. For many it is mental strength and reinforces their core beliefs and values, and whether or not you believe in the afterlife or not it has been proven that many people actually live longer and recover from life threatening medical conditions better if they have a faith in a higher power. That alone lends credence that religion must do some good. Furthermore, if people were to follow the actual teachings of Christ they could be a genuine force for compassion and help to those most in need of it. It states this rule in Bible in many ways.
Religion has, and always will be, hijacked by a radical fringe interpretation of its meaning. Some white supremacists have used religion as a cover for their hate fill diatribes and for some, like a local white supremacist from this area named Matt Hale, it was nothing more than a convenient cover for their activities. His preaching of hate in his so called church would eventually lead one of his followers to kill two minorities, one of them, Rickey Birdsong, was coach of the Northwestern basketball team.
Eventually Hale was recorded wanting a judge murdered and the F.B.I. swooped in to end the party for good. Either way, churches like this one in AZ. are not that far off from a good many others like the one Hale started and preached in once. These people suffer from mental illness, but surely not all who say they believe in religion even do, their lives show most Republicans to be raging hypocrites
Organized faith (called religion) is a blight on the face of humanity; no other construct has caused as much death, torture, humiliation and human suffering.
One does not need another being to "interpret" one's faith...nor "explain" the words in the holy book, for if one is intelligent enough and learned enough, comprehension is assured.
has also brought compassion to the suffering and it has fought to save those from their deaths at the hands of evil, while much of the church has been complicit throughout time, many others have given their lives so that others may live. During the Holocaust untold thousands of people of all religious belief gave their lives to save Jews and others from the Nazi's. Officially also much of the Catholic church was complicit, as well as other faiths, but not all. To judge all of religion as being wicked ignores the sacrifices of so many for so much throughout time. Here is one example of religion taking a stand against evil. There are, however, clearly not enough others doing the same.
Presbyterian Church Resolution
The faithful have brought compassion to the suffering...individuals who did what they knew to be the right thing, who stood up for their beliefs. But the organizations of religion have, for the most part, condoned the persecution of others.
I concur with Navy Vet.
Sorry, but you're flat out wrong. The classic examples: Was Gandhi mentally diseased? Martin Luther King, Jr.? Any other religious person who's done great good in the world?
Good and evil are just as easily to be found among those who do not believe as in those who do. It's just much easier to point to evil done in the name of religion because such a vast majority of people in history have been religious of one stripe or another. If it had been reversed, if religion were the tiny minority and atheism the majority of the population, it would be easy to say LACK of religion causes mental disease.
anderson wants a hard dry hump regularly,
but can't get it.....at least not publicly
or conveniently. maybe larry craig could
introduce him to a wide receiver stance...lol
I called the number and left a voice mail.
"That which you do to the least of my brothers, that you do onto me!"
"Do onto others as you would have them do onto you!"
"That which you do to the least of my brothers, that you do onto me!"
it bears repeating. There are some really fabulous calm and peace inducing lessons in the Bible, which these people ignore.
They just focus on the angry god parts, in the OT. They aren't Christians at all. If I'm not mistaken, 'The Lord' was a hippie who wants things to be fair, people to be equal, fed, slightly toasted, happy and healthy, with hate and killing to stop.
I don't see that happening, or even as a goal for these people.
These people are totally hypocritical ignoramuses. Totally.
Jesus said he came with a sword to tear families apart, and that you couldn't follow him unless you hated your family and yourself. Not quite so loving or peaceful.
But they'd counter with the tired old canard that Jesus never meant to include whatever people they're pissing on. Earth logic just doesn't work on them, and it never will. These are people who are wedded to their hates and prejudices; they only use their religion to bolster those, and can't care two shits about anything else.
Fuck em. Every day.
NOT THAT
Really, no thank you. *shudder*
The Bible is so ripe with contradictions. These Morally Repugnant idiots think there is a little asterisks after the part that says: Thou Shalt Not Kill.
Sounds like a very complete and final statement... and ol' JC repeated it.
As an anthropologist, I really must ask you not to insult the other apes and primates like that. Personally I intend to start stoning everyone wearing polyblends (Leviticus 19:19)
Wow just looked up Leviticus 19:19. I had no idea. I will turn myself in immediately. It turns out there is a small portion of polyester in my shirt.
(Note: all are directly from the bible...
and we are supposed to stone children who are stubborn:
http://bible.oremus.org/?passage=Deut+21%3A18-21
Death to anyone who works on a sunday! Shall we start with those working at Walmart tomorrow?
http://bible.oremus.org/?passage=Ex+35%3A2
Eating Shellfish is a sin
http://bible.oremus.org/?passage=Lev+20%3A13
God supports slavery - what a merciful God -- and how horrible honest Abe was... http://bible.oremus.org/?passage=Col+3%3A22-24
and here:
http://bible.oremus.org/?passage=Ex+21%3A20-21
AND THESE ARE NOT TO BE INTERPRETED - THE WORD OF GOD LASTS FOREVER! http://bible.oremus.org/?passage=Isaiah+40%3A8
God's a sexist and doesn't want women to teach either --
http://bible.oremus.org/?passage=1Tim+2%3A11-12
And God believes in thought crimes:
http://bible.oremus.org/?passage=Lev+20%3A13
work it brother!
I used to stone my stubborn daughter pretty regularly because she often insisted on doing her homework on Sunday.
Killing two birds with one stone if you will.
And I'll stone myself for mocking the bible by mockingly accusing you of mocking the bible.
To late. I'm already stoned.
... must get stoned.
I also eagerly await the reverend's condemnation of the NFL and Sunday dinner (you shall observe the Sabbath and keep it holy).
you shall not touch the skin of a pig. (Yeah, I know footballs aren't made of pigskin anymore, but it's still a good quote!)
I also eagerly await the reverend's condemnation of the NFL and Sunday dinner (you shall observe the Sabbath and keep it holy).
Their god also ordered enormous massacres of tens of thousands at a time, all so his followers could have nice places to live without working to create them.
Oh, and that included selling thousands of young virgin girls into slavery. Isn't he a lovely guy? DEFINITELY the kind of god to hang out with.
Oh, here's a lovely one from Leviticus...
28 If a man meets a virgin who is not engaged, and seizes her and lies with her, and they are caught in the act, 29the man who lay with her shall give fifty shekels of silver to the young woman’s father, and she shall become his wife. Because he violated her he shall not be permitted to divorce her as long as he lives.
God says a rape victim must marry her rapist and her father is to be paid like a madam at some whore house...nice hah?
Religion, the biggest crock of shit humanity has poisoned itself with...right up there with war.
Which holy/sabbath day are people to keep? If there is one god, the god of Abraham, but three religions that worship him differently then which is correct. Muslims holy day is Friday, Jews sabbath is Saturday, Christians holy day is Sunday. Hell god works 3 days and has a 4 day vacation every week - how can I do that. Seems to me he is a bit lazy.
. . . of old photos of Jim & Tammy Faye Bakker, Jimmy Swaggart and others of their ilk. Preachin' holy writ in their perma-press blend leisure wear.
It's not just synthetic blends that the scripture forbids. It's also natural fiber blends like cotton and linen, cotton and wool, etc, so a lot of fashionably dressed folks are due for some godly smiting as well.
A great deal that our Talibangelical brethren hold near and dear (i.e., bacon, ham, and other pork products, fried shrimp, cheeseburgers) are abominations, every bit as much as male homosexuality (no mention of lesbianism, so you ladies are OK with God). It also prescribes stoning such stalwarts as Newt Gingrich, Mark Sanford, and Mike Ensign. Given that the good rabbi Yeshua al Nazarat specifically enjoins that you either keep all of the law or none of it, I think they have a wee bit of a problem here.
and men, specifically, have run this paternalistic religious (not spiritual) dog-and-pony show, it stands to reason, hot girl-on-girl action would be ok with the 'heavenly father.' I'm sure girl fights are automatically absolved as well.
there's a nice big Jello-wrestling pit in heavene.
naked Jello Wrestling, of course.
;)
He didn't like divorce either - one of the few sexual sins he made a point of actually discussing - but that doesn't stop those good Xtians from dumping their wives when they get sick of them!
Poor Carpenter. He just wanted people to be nice to each other for a change. Too much to ask, I guess.
I'm gonna' go out tonight and do a little "soul-winning" !! Then I'm gonna' take a ride on the Soul Train....
that Holy Don Cornelius doesn't break out a can on whip ass on you if you're female. LOL
as i'm sure you're really aware at it's core it's pure misguided filth, hate, and bile that he's spewing.
i'd be willing to bet he's a self loathing closeted homosexual pedophile himself, and it terrifies him.
Take a look at the guy. He's gay, he's ashamed, he's twisted, he's self-loathing -- and he's so deep in the closet that he's in the bedroom of the next house over.
Very messed up.
BID
That twisted motherfucker is completely topped off with hatred and self-loathing. He should really relax, and go with the personality he really is. All that bile is coming from a life of repression.
But it's nothing I can do anything about, therefore I prefer to laugh at the incredible foolishness and monkeyshines. Believe me, if that guy were here in this room, he wouldn't be hearing any laughter. He'd be hearing the sound of his own ass getting thoroughly kicked by a supposedly weak woman.
for returning before Anderson wanted him to.
Better not stand too close to this fool when God aims that lightening bolt at his monkey ass.
"Darwin was wrong. Man's still an ape."
-Hornbeck
Indeed we are apes. Specifically, we are African great apes, closely related to chimpanzees, bonobos, and gorillas. somewhat less closely related to the Asian apes (orangutans, gibbons, and semiangs).
Excellent! Love that play.
I've never seen a more clear cut case for someone begging to lose their tax exempt status.
I've never seen a more clear-cut case of someone who needs to come out of the closet.
I've never seen a more clear-cut case of someone begging to be put out of his misery.
. . . . how ANYONE'S same-sex marriage is a threat to my marriage or family? The "conservative" movement should try to at least pretend they aren't hate-filled homophobes.
Lewis Black does a great job explaining how gays ruin good, Christian families.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfzRYWUCjtM
of explaining that the book to which the 'Christians' refer to as 'Old' is the Jewish part of the bible, and that he sees preachers trying to explain this to people, when all that needs to be done is to ask a Jew to explain it. Because they know it was meant as big stories and entertainment for a bunch of starving running people who needed to be distracted and controlled (pre tv days).
He also points out that there are no shows in which Rabbis attempt to explain the 'New' Testament.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWqtpqQjNug&fe...
does a great piece on why he doesn't get the gay hatred. He thinks straight and gay men should have a great time together, given that, whether straight or gay, they're still GUYS.
http://www.last.fm/music/Henry+Rollins/_/The+...
Clearly he has repressed tendencies
recessed testicles
I have yet to see a pedophile, closted homosexual that is even remotely attractive. And he fits the description.
Plus, if he's preaching for Obama's death, he should be getting a visit with handcuffs from the Secret Service any day now.
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I'm just sayin' but my gaydar went off big time here. And I'm rarely wrong about such things.
This man is a big ol' closet queen, who's not getting himself enough man-time.
I don't think we want him on our side, no matter what tendencies he may be suppressing (or not). I mean, considering his other tendencies clearly evident...
Watch out buddy your Religion is showing, Or should I say lack of?
I really can't figure out why these "people" call themselves Christians, when all they do is preach the Old Testament. Is there anywhere in the New Testament that Jesus calls for the death of gays?
This guy is so repressed that he's a danger to his own health, let alone the health of anyone whom his followers may decide is gay and deserves death. He's going to give himself a stroke if he doesn't lighten up.
want to interpret the bible to adapt to their ideology and disregard any of the teachings that doesn't fit their needs.
he's a hypocrite and you can bet his following is a bunch of hypocrites. they make-up the rules as they go along. there are HATERs that want to pretend to live in two worlds. this dude will attract those types.
Got news for you, the new testament doesn't say a thing about rejecting the old.
I don't support either. I think both books were written by crazy, greedy, people. What's more the various churches use it to dupe the masses, and make as muck money as they can for supplying a non-existent product, built on a foundation of really bad fiction.
dispensation of God's GRACE.
Like I said, there are some Christians who never make it past the Old Testament, and would gladly crucify Jesus all over again if it would bring them the Rapture.
If God doesn't withhold His Grace, all Steve Anderson does is be a walking testimony of why people are running from Christianity like the plague.
I'm with Gandhi - "I like your Christ; I do not like His Christians."
But a couple of years ago, in a book about these crazed Xian types, I came across a quote from an active rabbinical scholar, who testily suggested that Xians should leave the Hebrew bible alone and KEEP TO THEIR OWN DAMN BOOK.
But it's not just the difference between the "old" and "new" testaments. A lot of the schizophrenic weirdness of the religion comes from having originated with the Hebrews, who were an audio-centric people, but having been translated into Greek and popularized through Roman culture, both of which are centered on the visual. That led to all kinds of trouble.
Basically, Jesus was a provincial teacher who wasn't looking to do anything more than give his own people some better ideas. He had no interest in founding a new religion, and he CERTAINLY had no interest in being turned into a god. That alone would probably have made him sick to his stomach.
Leviticans, perhaps, since that's one of the few books they feel the need to concentrate on.
I used to have friends who live and die by that book. Didn't matter to them that God's Dispensation of Grace DID AWAY WITH ALL OF THAT MESS IN LEVITICUS.
When I told one of them that their refusal to live by the New Testament was like crucifying Jesus all over again, she stopped talking to me and hasn't spoken to me since last June.
Easier for her to kick me and our friendship to the curb than confront her own self in terms of how well she was living her life as a Christian.
Actually, they are Paulists. Most of the bullshit in modern Xtianist theology comes from the teachings of St. Paul (who never even met Rabbi Yeshua).
(who never even met Rabbi Yeshua).
No one has.
can we say "self-hating gay"? Paul's about as obvious a case as I've ever come across.
Very good. I've been looking for a word to define these people. That really fits the bill. Thanks!
As far as I can recall, Jesus never called for the death of anyone. He wasn't a hate monger at all. He was pretty forgiving of almost everybody, EXCEPT for hypocrites. He couldn't stand them in the slightest - and that's exactly the sin his rabid followers indulge in the most.
I guess irony can be pretty ironic.
"But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me."
[ http://bible.cc/luke/19-27.htm ]
If you take everything written in that book as being what he actually said. Scholars have puzzled out, though, that a lot of stuff was added on and/or attributed to him that is actually very unlikely. Read The Gospel of Q, where the case is made for a far more reduced canon, something along the lines of maybe 50 sayings.
The country was *not* lewd before Barack Obama became president? A president, btw, who has put the same amount of effort into ending abortion as President Bush?
this dude is an imposter. just another messenger of HATE trying to get into the media. i don't know the bible but i'll bet his words are far from accepted/non-judgemental.
Are you implying that he's one of US? Because believe me, darlin', that man would NEVER be accepted among any of the pagan communities I've been around. He would HORRIFY them.
"His name is Barney Franks, he is a pedophile, he has been arrested for uh, interacting with boys that are in their teenage years when he's in his 50s, it's in the news"
Could someone please link me to a credible source for this accusation?
Religion doesn't do "credible" sources.
His invisible friend who makes the voices in his headGod told him it happened. Can't get a more credible source than that.I killed me imaginary friend. It had nothing meaningful to contribute to the conversation.
It's not true, and Barney Frank ought to sue his ass.
Sue his ass, take his church and turn it into a center devoted to tolerance and interfaith dialogue
That word "tolerance" is really starting to bug me. Tolerate is something you do with a head cold, or rush-hour traffic, or the stupid commercials on TV. Who wants to be "tolerated"?
I vote we start using the word "acceptance". That's much more what we should be doing with each other. Certainly it's what I would want for myself.
and I myself will do exactly that.
although I vote for "engagement". To me, to tolerate something / someone is to allow it/them to exist but at the same time either ignoring it in hopes that it will go away, or walking around patting oneself on the back and broadcasting to the world how "tolerant" they are. Engagement requires an effort, a reaching out, a meeting halfway or maybe even more. Acceptance can be as hollow as tolerance unless we engage with our neighbors first.
I will tolerate these people, in the sense of not attemping to legally punish them for thier ideas. But I'm not going to accept them. I'm not going to concede that these ideas are rational, or normal, or ethical, or in any way a valid interpretation of reality.
My point flew right over your head. I was talking about "tolerating" gay people, not bigoted assholes.
Read closer next time.
Give me an old-timey AMEN to this! Seriously, though, why does a pulpit give anyone exemption from the laws of defamation and slander? Anderson is committing a crime here, several, actually, if you include incitement to violence against the US President - he should be arrested. Or committed. Either one would do.
It's a bald faced lie, and a shameful smear.
Isn't that slander?
Yes, it is.
I can't help you there. I've been scouring the interwebs for the last 20 minutes, and even on the wingnut-right sites... I've got nothing.
Frank did at one time have a relationship with a prostitute whom he befriended and hired as an aide. That person was later fired when Frank learned he was running a prostitution circle out of Frank's house. However, the prostitute that Frank was involved with (Mr. Steve Gobie) was not a minor; and I've not read anywhere that any of the prostitutes Mr. Gobie pimped out were minors either.
Frank was not arrested over any of this, either. In fact, he reported all of this to the House ethics committee entirely on his own when he found out what was going on.
Funny...in an attempt to slander and disgrace Rep. Frank, Pastor Anderson has ended up increasing my respect for the man.
there is a retraction on the church website that says a guy named Stubbs is the pedophile.
now Stubbs' estate should be calling the attorneys for slandering a DEAD MAN.
I believe Stubbs' was censored for his role in that whole mess, but as reported above, Frank reported it to the ethics committee, which, as a result of his honesty, he continues to sit in Congress as one of its' most respected and principled members.
There is no credible source because it did not happen. This fact will make little difference to his congregation however, because if their preacher says it, it has to be true. A man of God does not lie.
And this must become common knowledge. It's up to us to change this horrible disinformation and twisting of religion.
Sen. Larry Craig.
People listening to Anderson probably have a vague recollection of hearing about Sen. Larry Craig's arrest in the men's room at KMSP airport but they might not remember Craig's name. Then when Anderson says Barney was arrested, they are fooled and think it is true.
http://www.skepticfiles.org/fw/terry.htm
These people are sick.
friend of mine was able to actually spit in Terry's face. Now, while I don't normally condone such behavior I thought it was very appropriate and richly deserved.
(I don't normally condone that kind of treatment either)
for having the restraint to stop at JUST spitting. That fucker deserves far worse. If it were me, I'd have been sorely tempted to punch his ugly face in.
According to the Bible, preachers like these are absolutely right. The Bible does tell us to kill the gays. The fact is that liberal or moderate Christians have no leg to stand on when it comes to the Bible. That's the problem with Christianity. It may have been watered down with modernity and restrained by civilization but preachers like these represent Christianity in its pure, undiluted form and what we should fear if it ever breaks loose again.
They call the era when Christianity reigned supreme, "The Dark Ages". They could also call it, "The Golden Age of Christianity." This is what we can expect if the Christian Right ever gets its way.
The solution is to expose people like this preacher as typical inmates of the asylum of Christianity. Liberal and moderate Christians should take note, read their Bibles and then leave the faith.
This man is not worthy of the title preacher. He is obviously a fake christian, there are many.
According to the Bible, this "fake Christian" is right. He can quote chapter and verse to support his convictions. What can you offer, other than your conscience and imagination?
The problem is that Christianity serves a god that is every bit as evil as he is imaginary. Yes, he is sick but it's his religion that makes him so.
deistpaladin has the right of it here.
The whole thing is hypocritical in and of itself.
That is an epic amount of hate coming from someone who claims to be christian. I usualy dislike it when nazi comparison's are made, but this man is a poster child for neo-nazism and Hitler impersonators.
And as someone else has said, this man is deffinantly in the closet.
His hatred is for himself.
...would it, that the above-pictured Steve Anderson with his "Who, me?" goofy smirk is just what I'd picture a closet pedophile would look like?
From some of the other stuff he's saying, he's also a psychopath. A Ted Bundy look-a-like.
People have been saying that the neocon right wing branch of the Republican Party is being taken over by political dominionists. I think they are being taken over by unmedicated pathologically insane narcissists.
is just what I'd picture a closet pedophile would look like?
This is why I love Adblock. I never have to look at things like that more than once. *hugs Firefox*
The good (sic) reverend seems to have missed the adage "Judge not, lest you be judged."
he's been too busy memorizing all the juicy stuff in the old testament, to get to the part where his lord and savior, Jesus of Nazareth, actually told everybody what god really meant.....Be Nice!
He also skimmed right past the line (also in his favorite book, Leviticus) "Love thy neighbor as thy self." Of course, given some comments here, perhaps he does.
He also skimmed right past the line (also in his favorite book, Leviticus) "Love thy neighbor as thy self." Of course, given some comments here, perhaps he does.
At the first show of The Last Temptation of Christ here in L.A., my ex-husband whipped that one out on one of the hateful, smug supposed "Christians". The guy was standing under these huge banners that said FAMILY and PROPERTY and PROSPERITY. My ex looked up at them, happily remarked "Wow! Three things Jesus specifically preached against!" The guy told him to shove off, of course, and he countered with "Judge not, lest ye be judged!" The fundie's response?
"Oh, shut up."
What do you expect? Have you ever actually read the Bible?
It is a book which promotes the most heinous of crimes.
Not 10 pages in God kills EVERYTHING!
http://www.evilbible.com/
Here is my favorite verse...
3 So Moses said to the people, “Arm some of your men to go to war against the Midianites and to carry out the Lord’s vengeance on them. 4Send into battle a thousand men from each of the tribes of Israel.” 5So twelve thousand men armed for battle, a thousand from each tribe, were supplied from the clans of Israel. 6Moses sent them into battle, a thousand from each tribe, along with Phinehas son of Eleazar, the priest, who took with him articles from the sanctuary and the trumpets for signaling.
7They fought against Midian, as the Lord commanded Moses, and killed every man. 8Among their victims were Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur and Reba—the five kings of Midian. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. 9The Israelites captured the Midianite women and children and took all the Midianite herds, flocks and goods as plunder. 10They burned all the towns where the Midianites had settled, as well as all their camps. 11They took all the plunder and spoils, including the people and animals, 12and brought the captives, spoils and plunder to Moses and Eleazar the priest and the Israelite assembly at their camp on the plains of Moab, by the Jordan across from Jericho.a
13Moses, Eleazar the priest and all the leaders of the community went to meet them outside the camp. 14Moses was angry with the officers of the army—the commanders of thousands and commanders of hundreds—who returned from the battle.
15“Have you allowed all the women to live?” he asked them. 16“They were the ones who followed Balaam’s advice and were the means of turning the Israelites away from the Lord in what happened at Peor, so that a plague struck the Lord’s people. 17Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.
the story of Abraham and Isaac reeked of the most heinous bullshit and childish petulance. As a child I was appalled that an all-knowing, ever present god, the smartest person ever, would ask a father to sacrifice his child to prove his loyalty. That's what a middle-schooler would do, full of hormones and insecurity. No righteous or sane god would ever ask that of a parent. Don't even get me started on Job.
If God can stop the devil but doesn't, he is evil.
We are held to a higher moral standard then God is.
And to toy with Abraham like that is simple evil.
wrote a fantastic, enraged essay about that. It's in Letters from the Earth, one of the best books ever written about the insanity and hypocrisy of Christianity.
it, I'm always in the market for a good read. Thanks for the tip.
You can never go wrong with Twain. :)
Religion...what's it good for?
Controlling populations
Marginalizing women
Marginalizing homosexuals
Promoting war
Fostering intolerance
Making preachers rich
Keeping people scared for their entire lives
Repressing natural sexual desire
Rationalizing the most heinous crimes
Religion is very useful!
an excellent summation. Kudos.
so one is taught they are worthless in the eyes of their god, they learn to hate themselves- and thus can feel ONLY hatred towards others..
there's the whole "original sin" bullshit, which I always found so ridiculous. You have a beautiful, pure, clean infant and he/she is already marked? Bah!!
also there is the "unforgivable sin.
If you denounce the "holy spirit" you are done.
Luke 12:10, "And everyone that says a word against the Son of Man, that will be forgiven; But he that blasphemes against The Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.
So if you take that to its literal conclusion, Hitler, if repentant at the end of his life asked for forgiveness he would go to heaven, but Anne Frank, one of millions of innocent victims would go to hell.
yeah, you are born broken, but alas there is a fix...religion
ridiculous
or about Christianity? Because they are certainly NOT the same thing, no matter what the insane fundies would like you to think.
Being a religious person myself, I can say religion is good for many things. It's helped me through bad times, been a source of joy and inspiration. But then, I don't cleave to a religion that encourages me to hate anybody, or blame people for who they are, or take action on things that are no business of mine. Guess I'm just funny that way.
you're not the only one that feels that way. I guess I consider myself more spiritual than religious, but I understand what you are saying.
A lot of people make that distinction. I don't, because I never developed a distaste for the word "religion". I don't use "spirituality" unless I'm talking about something really nebulous, with no form or personification whatsoever. And even then...Zen, for example, has no gods or forms, but I still consider it a religion.
who were both raised Methodist, he even graduated from a Methodist college, we can't find a church we can stomach anymore. We both work in professions that serve, he teaches the mentally challenged and I work as an RN in an intensive care unit. Those are our missions, so to speak. I help people die all the time and I help their families through it. I would love to go somewhere every week where I could be lifted up because the misery I see really wears on me, but I can't take the hate and the fake and the doom.
That must be tough. I don't know how wedded you are to the ideas and symbols of Christianity, but you could always try looking outside it. Maybe there are other forms of religion that would work for you and nourish your spirit. Considering the kind of work you do, perhaps Buddhism would help.
Or try the Universalist Unitarians. That's a very cool church - extremely accepting of everybody, and not even specifically Christian. It's not about any specific book, but more about the divinity within, and accepting and love. Give it a try.
to express my contempt for this man, his religion and frankly, all organized religions - xtian or otherwise.
...a closet queen pedalling his self-loathing hate spew while wrapping himself in the flag and waving his bible.
Anderson is just another Republican chickenhawk neanderthal in meltdown.
"When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis
Christianity and homosexuality have this in common: hatingwomen. We're anything from "tacky" to purveyors of that generational curse "original sin".
I think the preachers are closeted, the founders were closeted, and I have my suspicions about old Yeshua.
It's all Middle-Eastern bullshit, and we should kill off their ideas as an adjunct to destroying the Talibastards and Al-Qaeda.
If this man isn't going to gay orgies every third week, I'd be shocked. This kind of vitriol is usually born of self-hatred.
I listened and now I feel unclean. I will now shower, several times, with Borax and steel wool...
thou doth protest too much...could he have used the word 'sodomites' any more? I got the distinct feeling that he takes great pleasure in talking about 'sodomy'.
"Randall Terry and many other Christian Right leaders earnestly believe that someday they will be running this country."
Well, that's when I'll start praying (I'm not religious in the least) to Mother Nature, to create a huge fault line along the U.S./Canadian border (yes, I'm Canadian) & sever us completely from the insanity being allowed to boil over in the U.S.
more pleasure in getting or giving it.
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