If 'Tea Party' candidates really are the preferred choice on the Right, then we're in serious trouble
The latest Rasmussen Poll has disastrous news for Republicans -- and disquieting news for for the rest of us too:
In a three-way Generic Ballot test, the latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds Democrats attracting 36% of the vote. The Tea Party candidate picks up 23%, and Republicans finish third at 18%. Another 22% are undecided.
Among voters not affiliated with either major party, the Tea Party comes out on top. Thirty-three percent (33%) prefer the Tea Party candidate, and 30% are undecided. Twenty-five percent (25%) would vote for a Democrat, and just 12% prefer the GOP.
The look on Eric Bolling's face, filling in for Neil Cavuto yesterday on Fox News, contemplating this news said it all: He thought the Tea Party and Republicans were one and the same thing! In fact, he spills as much:
Bolling: Isn't the tea party just another wing of the Republican Party? ... Aren't we just splitting the party?
Well, not exactly. Like Republicans, the Tea Party folks are fervently anti-Obama. But as Republicans like Lindsey Graham are discovering, the Tea Partiers are so arch-conservative they hate BOTH parties, and consider Republicans to be sellouts of their true-blue conservative ideals.
Now, this may appear to be good news for Democrats, since it means the Right is splitting its vote. And over the short term, as we saw in the NY-23 race, it may well be. But there is an ominous quality to this that should be disturbing to everyone.
The GOP thought it could unleash this tide of right-wing populism and prosper -- but are discovering that it's not such an easy thing to control.
And what they're unleashing is a flood of right-wing extremism in the process. Because as the "Tea Party" gathering we saw this past weekend in Spokane made crystal-clear, the "Tea Parties" are one of the most massive conduits for mainstreaming extremist beliefs in our history:
More than 1,000 people, including local sheriffs, state representatives, lawyers, families and blue-collar workers, gathered in Post Falls last month to hear a former Arizona sheriff blast the federal government. About 500 met last week in another event organized by the Campaign for Liberty – a coalition of about 10 Inland Northwest groups hoping to create a forum to share ideas and create a louder voice in politics.
Some aren’t afraid to use the word militia.
“We need to rob that word back from the people who villainize it,” said Schaeffer Cox, a 25-year-old from Fairbanks, Alaska, eliciting a roar of approval from the crowd in Post Falls Wednesday night.
It was the second Freedom Festival held at the Post Falls Greyhound Park – evidence, some say, of a new rise of the militia movement in America, but one that blurs the line between extremism and mainstream.
... Wednesday’s meeting was the first event locally since the large gathering on Veterans Day for a speech by Richard Mack, a man described by Potok’s organization as “an iconic hero of the militia movement.”
Mack wrote a book with Randy Weaver in the 1990s about the federal siege at Ruby Ridge and was part of a successful lawsuit against the Clinton administration challenging sweeping gun control legislation.
Mack was joined at the Post Falls event by Washington state Rep. Matt Shea and Idaho state Rep. Phil Hart. County sheriffs were invited to dine with Mack before his speech. Spokane County Sheriff Ozzie Knezovich missed most of the dinner but said he enjoyed Mack’s speech.
“I didn’t hear hate. I heard the exact opposite,” Knezovich said. “I heard respect. Respect for states, respect for individual rights, for the job of the sheriff.”
Knezovich said he received more invitations to Mack’s speech than any other event since he was elected sheriff in fall 2006. Everywhere he went, it seemed, people asked if he planned to go.
“I thought to myself, ‘If that many people would like me to attend this event, I’ll do that,’ ” Knezovich said.
Mack has long been a speaker on the constitutionalist circuit, gaining fame in the militia movement in the 1990s. “There’s really a remarkable amount of anger out there that this movement reflects,” Potok said.
Still, Potok added, “it’s a little shocking that Richard Mack, given his ideas, could draw such a large crowd, including so many public officials.”
When you have law-enforcement officials and state legislators showing up to support citizen militias and "oath keepers" who believe the federal government is about to swoop down in black helicopters and round up citizens to imprison them in concentration camps ... Well, that's a problem for everyone.
It's like the 1990s on steroids. Back then, it produced a notable spate of domestic terrorism. This time around, with so many more people being successfully recruited, one can only imagine the violence that awaits us all.
To repeat...PRESIDENT PALIN NOW! We need a President that represents the views of the
simpletonssimple people."Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
I'm not so concerned about the Tea Partiers being elected. I think most of the electorate is likely to reject them. But I am concerned about the sort of domestic terrorism they could inspire, a la the Oklahoma City Bombing.
I hope the FBI is keeping an eye out for that sort of behavior.
I have no worries. They will follow their corporate masters and end all taxation for rich people and corporations and their own subsidized healthcare and simply die off.
Just as the "free market" world of natural selection dictates.
And Limbaugh will smile.
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
This is my only concern as well, historically people like this have been mostly unelectable and that has not changed. Once the realization that they will not get their way fully sets in, because America as a whole rejects them. They will eventually turn to terrorism.
Some think they will start another civil war, but for that to happen they need large majorities in certain regions to all get together, that won’t happen. There is not enough real unity of purpose among the various nut-baggers out there.
An inability to form a real army and/or the realization that even a well armed small army (Red dawn style)won’t stand a chance against the real Army (which will not be flocking to their banner), will send them to terrorism.
I stated that the only way I foresee the final fall of the Limbaughs, Hannety's and Becks will be when they push their dittiots into doing something like Oklahoma City that they cannot spin their way out of culpability for. The final end (for a while) would most likely be a lot more Ruby Ridge like confrontations, all with pretty much the same ending.
When angry, count four, when very angry, swear.
-Mark Twain-
I think your picture is a reasonably realistic trajectory, but I wonder about the ending.
My big fear is that the right-wing populists will get to the terrorism stage (again) but avoid mass targets this time. One commenter below says how he received death threats for tracking the militias in the 1990's. What happens when the new militias actually start murdering individual targets, like the right-wingers did last spring? If they choose carefully, they might even get some of those "oath keeper" cops to look the other way or drag their feet during the investigation.
How do we avoid such a sequence of events?
I'm not too concerned with the ending, history has shown that such groups never hold power for very long, and the United States has been pretty resistent to such ways.
I do however fear that before it gets better, it will get to the terror and killing stage. It's the only thing they can do and their targets will mostly be random. They have the potential to turn many areas into the American version of Beruit or Palistine, I dont think to quite the same level, and I dont believe they are at suicide bomber level yet. Snipers, mass shottings and anonymous bombings are more their thing I think.
This is all speculation of course, I dont have the first damn clue as to what these people are really capable of. This whole thing might blow over with a meek little whimper from the baggers, who knows.
When angry, count four, when very angry, swear.
-Mark Twain-
Nothing that a good education couldn't have prevented.
We reap what we sow and we have obviously failed on the education side.
Most of the tea-baggers don't even know middle school civics.
They couldn't win an election to class president let alone higher office.
It is a gift in a way.
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
Long Island Iced Tea?
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
No. They are in serious trouble.
I hope you're right! (I think so too)
*fingers crossed*
I NEVER in a million years thought Bunnypants would get elected - and NEVER EVER get a second term.
I worry about the masses in general
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
You're forgeting something... sawdust for brains didn't get elected!
Their homeworld was a place called Earth, located in an uninteresting part of the galaxy. They had an expression: pride goeth before a fall. Their pride was their undoing. I know. I was there....They did not listen, of course. Arrogant men never do.
"Just when I thought Obama & Dems were doomed in 2010, Palin returned to remind us of what could have been."
Commenter: oboe
From: LIVEBLOG: The Sarah Palin on Oprah Winfrey-plosion-ganza!
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
die on the vine and let St. Dennis ride out to battle Sister Sarah
for the right to lead the mule team out of the desert that has become
America.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
I'm stuck on your proposal thinking 2 simultaneous things: 1)"Surely they're not that dumb to nominate her." 2) "Surely there aren't enough smart people to nominate him."
could never catch on fire either.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
Don't oil companies play a big enough a role on politics as it is, we have to mention their other accomplishments?
we can get started with his campaign right now. I have my checkbook right here. Please, Dennis!
the teabaggers as irrelevant here evidently haven't been around much.
I was part of the Growth Management / militia / property rights wars in the PNW in the 90s.
For my activism, I got death threats and was under State Patrol protection for a time.
These are crazy, wingnut idiots but we ignore them at our peril.
Thanks again to Dave for a great post!
if we can't ignore them, we'll have to annihilate them, because there is no appeasing them, and compromise is not in their mindset.
Sheesh wasn't 8 years of fear mongering enough?
across yesterday about the deep flaws in this latest Rasmussen surveynovella.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
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I thought I saw it at Balloon Juice, but maybe I am just thinking about my magic safe word.
Update: They did discuss it, but I am not sure if that was where I saw details about the flaws in methodologies.
http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=30857#comments
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
Who didn't see this coming? They threw Newt under the bus calling him a liberal for christs sake. The people in this country will do what ever it takes to make sure that the poor and oppressed stay that way. Their adamant rejection of any health care reform because it may "help those lazy poor welfare queens" makes it clear. No sir. This country is heading down a dangerous fascist path. These nutjobs WILL control the new republican party and our neglect of education, civics and the arts will ensure their rise to power.
This country is owned lock stock and barrel by sociopaths. One can hope that they play their cards too early and will fail. But I doubt it.
It's the Klu Klux Klan party. There isn't anything to do with gay people or chestnuts. Isn't it time to tell it like it is, give it it's proper name?
Agreed.
Everyone is equally entitled to the pursuit of happiness. Wasn't that once self evident?
"...the Tea Partiers are so arch-conservative they hate BOTH parties..."
Well, I hate both parties and I'm FAR from conservative. But then neither the Repugs or the Dems are liberal parties.
~
Corruption favors the wealthy.
. .
These people have always been around hiding out there in their prejudice and hate. The thing is now they have one common goal, to rid the white house of the black president and the common sense ideas they have no idea how to comprehend. They seem to feel the strength in numbers and lack of intelligence.
Thanks McCain for giving them Sister Palin to fall in line behind. You have that memory to live with the rest of your sorry life.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
..I was about to write my own but yours is better.
If any of these tea-baggers support a candidate and that candidate is elected, that district, county, state, whatever, will get the representation it deserves. But, to hope that happens is almost as bad as beck hoping for another terrorist attack so I'll stfu now.
What a pity common sense isn't as common as we'd like!
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
"...the Tea Partiers are so arch-conservative they hate BOTH parties..."
Dude, I'm a socialist, I hate them all.
I don't actually hate them ALLper se.
I think it is a tragedy that working class people are so completely hoodwinked.
That has been the plan for one hundred years, divide and conquer.
The Democrats and the Republicans can all go to hell as far as I am concerned.
statusquObama, change you can only pretend in
Dude, you just said I can go to hell. I don't think I needed your permission for that.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
I've seen enough Change We Can Believe In to know where this is going.
You must not have been paying attention to Pittsburgh and the G20 meeting. The EXTREME over board police presence was in anticipation of PROGRESSIVE protests.
The Secret US Government has and continues to be the greatest sponsor of state terrorism since WWII.
Bar none. 50 democratically elected governments overthrown, 30 liberation movements suppressed.
The empire is dying. The oppression is turning inward.
statusquObama, change you can only pretend in
Couldn't agree with you more. We got robbed this last election and it's becoming more clear everyday.
We wuz robbed by...well we wuz.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
Puhleezzzeee…
statusquObama, change you can only pretend in
This sounds just like the Neo-Nazis. "Our message isn't one of hate; our message is positive. We're for white people and their civil rights. We just want to assure a lily white future for our lily white kids."
that totals up to 120%? HAHA! Thanks again for the laughs Faux News.
Actually, I don't think it matters. Look at some of the stupid asses that are already in Congress. Michelle Bachmann and Virginia Foxx to name two. I mean, Jesus Christ, talk about a couple of fucking idiots. I've told my wife, talk about a hostile working environment! Can you imagine trying to get anything done when you have to work with these kind of fools? There are 565 of them counting the Senate. That means that there is a good chance that at least a third of them are lunatics and idiots. Fuck a duck! And they are making the laws for the rest of us 300 million to live by. Gives me a migraine just contemplating it.
..keep electing representatives like foxx and bachmann.
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
down as long as the American people refuse to find common ground and continue to fight and argue against each other rather then going up against the real problem. The Globalists. Forget globalism we can't even take care of ourselves.
Divide them, and have them fight each other, rather than unite and see what is conquering them. The so called left and right have proven to be one of the most effective ways of keeping us at each other, and I agree that we are going down, and fast. Will we keep up this silly charade of L/R as we do? Do away with your "party" whatever you might call it, and realize that you are just a fucking human, like everyone else, and lets stop this insanity. You who call them "tea-baggers" are doing a great job at continuing the division, and while you might get some chuckles now, you are only creating tension and contempt.
they'll be nice to us? They won't round us up and kill us?
I am inclined to agree, EM.
The only way to overthrow our Corporatist overlords may very well be a temporary alliance between right-wing populists and left-wing populists to throw out all of the bought-and-paid-for Corporatist whores in Congress. I can see it now - in Red States the liberal progressives vote with the Tea-Baggers to oust the Corporatists, and in Blue States the tea-baggers vote with the Liberal Progressives to oust the Corporatists. We are, after all, talking about overthrowing a powerful opponent already engaged in Class Warfare against us.
I am not saying a truce between populist wings would be easy to manage, but I would not say that it would be impossible - politics does make for strange bed-fellows. The enemy of my enemy is my friend (, however fleeting.) Enlightened self-interest has been the mother of invention of many an alliance, between political parties and between nations.
I do know that if I am forced to "hold my nose to vote" in 2010, 2012, and beyond, I would rather do so in order to eject the Corporatist whores in Congress of whichever party. I acknowledge that my personal preference of of using the Write-In process at the voting booth would be ineffectual.
Movements are just that - they move a bit and then stop, whereas revolutions keep on rolling!
Feed the Poor! Eat the Rich! Long live the Revolution!
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
-- John F. Kennedy
You're NOT helping your cause.
Idiot.
Has been bothering me for awhile.
These nuts are becoming "mainstream" and will--sooner or later--begin to assume roles of power.They are working diligently at desensitizing terms like "militia" and "racist" enabling a misplaced pride in identifying with this crap.At the same time they are defiling our own sense of identity and convictions making mundane words like "ecology" or "community" or "human rights" etc resonate with dark foreboding.
We as Liberals need to push back now and push back hard.
As disappointing as the Obama administration has been for many of us,we'll never again in our lifetimes see the Democrats have these kinds of opportunities to enact real change for the good.
Plus,the alternative is just too fucking horrible to think about.
"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "
-Jack Handy
the media creates the illusion they are mainstream. Turn off the TeeVee and you wouldn't know they exist.
but much to my regret they....
and then they repossessed my TeeVee.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
of Crooks and Liars at the helm now.
I don't care how just as long as it is torn apart.
the illness.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
"When I despair, I remember that all through history the ways of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants, and murderers, and for a time they can seem invincible, but in the end they always fall. Think of it--always."
Mahatma Gandhi
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
We are not heading down the road to fascism, we are already there.
Read Matt Taibbi's current piece in the new Rolling Stone. It is both enlightning and depressing. If the best the Dems can get is Obama and no true libral will be allowed to raise to power than we all can, as rushbo would say, bend over and grab your ankles
Are you talking about the video titled:
"Matt Taibbi on Obama’s Economy"
And I agree with you on this:
"If the best the Dems can get is Obama and no true libral will be allowed to raise to power than we all can, as rushbo would say, bend over and grab your ankles"
All this bullshit about him being left wing is just that bullshit. People in this country don't know what left wing is.
Email from Thom Hartmann:
Democracy is too important to be entrusted to politicians.
Rise Up!
Protest!
and they can become us.
We can have our country back!!!!
Palin-Kucinich 2012
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
Seize The Fed !!
Power To The People!!
Democracy is too important to be entrusted to politicians.
Rise Up!
Protest!
so I will just sit in front of the spot where my TeeVee used to be and spin.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
can't get anyone to take the kucinich bait
keep tryin' tiger!!
This guy is smokin' Meth.
"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "
-Jack Handy
But although right and left wing populism both have...."A visceral hatred of banks and insurance companies who have been sucking our blood for decades. A horror at the idea of corporations as persons..".....but the right wing populists also have a HATRED of all things not pure-bred Merican, or in other words, are blatant racists that don't consider non-whites, atheists, or gays as persons either ....and I'm not willing on joining that 'party' or hanging out with racist ball-gaggers.
Cue the Kabuki....
Incredibly naive. If he thinks that populists on the right exist for anything other than to destroy the populists on the left, Hartmann has a massive wakeup call coming.
I think Hartmann missed the mark on this.
So we're supposed to join their ranks and help them do what? Get their candidates elected? Or should we just line up and jump off a cliff?
OR: Tea-Baggers join the Progressives? Why not, MM?
I would rather fight the right-wing populists in the arena of ideas on a level playing field, which will never happen so long as the Corporatist State's Congress-critter whores remain in office. These bought-and-paid-for Corporatist whores seem to be in control of both the Republican and Democratic parties.
What I am talking about is a temporary alliance between the two wings of the populists in the Class Struggle, which we are both losing on our own. Politics truly does make for strange bed-fellows - many an alliance has been made between political parties and nations, however temporary. As the Arabs are fond of saying "The enemy of my enemy is my friend." I believe the Western term is: Enlightened Self-Interest.
But I would prefer to stay away from the term "movement". Movement implies moving a bit and then stopping, whereas a Revolution just keeps on rolling.
Feed the Poor! Eat the Rich! Long live the Revolution!
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
-- John F. Kennedy
Fox and Friends had a tea party lady on their show this morning. She gave the usual tea party line and then she said he believes the republicans are getting the message the tea party folks are sending them regarding their desires.
The thing is for so damned long the pendulum has been swinging to the right and a lot of these tea party people grew up during that particular swing while others, the older ones have ghosts in their minds of the 60s leftward swing and how that didn't work out for them then. So they are holding on to that pendulum in fear that it has reversed motion and is going back to the left. They can hold onto it, try to block it or throw their tea bags in front of it, but they can' stop it.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
This is what happens to a society when the Left/Socialist perspective is completely excluded from the corporate media.As for the Democratic Party's role in this sad affair-think triangulation.It is not just the Republican Party who've mainstreamed extremist,reactionary ideas.
http://www.wsws.org/
According to the media we are all sitting on the edge of our seats wondering about the affairs of Tiger Woods. I wouldn't put too much importance on the media's ideas about anything. Sure they are talking about Palin now but look who else they are talking about. This is more tabloid media than professional reporting. Tea party people are of the same caliber as these other non important stories, but they get air time because we must be sitting on the edge of our seats wondering about their affairs too.
Hell yes, many of them are worth the focus of the FBI but they were all along.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
..what these tea-baggers really want.
Are they going to wear silly hats and wave misspelled signs if they are elected to office? They're afraid of "higher taxes" and in the mean time, we're having a problem with budget deficits and national debt that would be helped if we reverse the w tax cuts on the rich. I wonder how many cars any of them bought to help "rescue" our national economy. I wonder how many of them have government sponsored health care ala Medicaid or Medicare? There is no rationality and yet we try to deal with them rationally; are we being foolish for that? The Government can't stop them from saying what they will; they can punish them if they commit crimes. Let's hope all they do is talk! But let's just keep an eye on them too!
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
They say it all the time. I am still tying to find out who took it so I can ask them to come back and get their guns.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
Dear tea partiers:
The crazier the better.
All our love, the Dems.
So is there a list of teabagger candidates somewhere?
same old strategy......the "tea baggers' hate taxation and BIG government. when you ask them about the huge/EXPENSIVE medicare D program you get glazed eyes and mouth breathing. WHERE were they back in 2003 when this huge government entitlement program was passed. THIS is right wing social engineering. these people will vote republican when a third party identity doesn't survive the process. this is a movement of a certain demographic to distract/deny/deflect the BUSH legacy. NOW they say that BUSH was not "conservative"......not a real republican.....but did you vote for him....crickets. this will be a push for Romney when the dust settles.
It looks like these gatherings are in Post Falls, Idaho, where the white supremacists hang out.
Spokane is conservative, but it is miles ahead of Post Falls.
This is important for accuracy, and because it is important to note that the Post Falls location reveals the racist roots of the tea party movement.
But now, I find that the so called left is just as guilty of having a go-team-go mentality, and abdicating their reason in favor of idealism and ad-hominem attacks as the so called right was when Bush was in office. Enthralled with cheerleading what they perceive as their representatives, what both sides neglect to see is that 95% of elected and 99% of unelected officials do not have the American people as their primary interest, and anyone with a clear and rational mind can see this. The tea party movement is growing, as you would expect any populist movement to do when they feel they have no representation in their government. I predict that the divide will continue, as the trend of monied interests ruling DC do not appear to be abating in any way, and this divide will cause a tension so great that it will transform America in ways that give me nightmares. Yet strangely, I welcome it.
Your concern is noted.
noone here even takes the time what the tea party movement is.
it must lead to violence, because it's right wing and there was a sheriff there.
end of post.
the tea party movement is a big coalition right now, started by libertarians but joined by conservatives, people dumb enough not to see that palin is just like them (dumb) and a lot of other groups.
and the two parties and this blog don't even bother why that is.
because it is OK to extend wars, hand out money to banks, follow ridiculous krugman'n'keynes economic policies, use unlawful combatants if they are part of blackwater but detain them indefinitely if they're not, and so forth, if the president is on the blue team.
remember the 18 percenters? I predict you'll be among them at the end of obamas term(s).
Of the major polls Rassmusen is the most suspect . Spokane , Washington and and Post Falls , Idaho ? Not a big deal or a shocker at all , that area of the country , north east Washington and northern Idaho , has long been THEE haven for right wing anti government lunatics , racists groups , militias , end time / survival groups and assorted whacko's and kooks. As for the tea baggers and the loonie right , I say the crazier and further out the better , go for it you clowns ! Thank you very much ! By the way , has anyone seen Palin's high school diploma or GED ?
Everyone in Palin's HS saw her GED!
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
"Among voters not affiliated with either major party, the Tea Party comes out on top. Thirty-three percent (33%) prefer the Tea Party candidate, and 30% are undecided. Twenty-five percent (25%) would vote for a Democrat, and just 12% prefer the GOP"... thus:
First of all, the Tea Baggers are Repugs going rogue(33%).
Second, the Undecided's (30%) are Dems thinking of voting for an Independent Liberal party. (eg. Nader, Kucinich)
Third, Dems (25%) are Progressives.
Forth, Repugs (12%) are still Repugs
Math:
25% + 30% = 55% (dems, indy)
12% + 33% = 45% (repugs, baggers)
Their homeworld was a place called Earth, located in an uninteresting part of the galaxy. They had an expression: pride goeth before a fall. Their pride was their undoing. I know. I was there....They did not listen, of course. Arrogant men never do.
are what make up the TeaBag Party. They're betting everything on St. Palin but (surprise, surprise) she's not thinking about them. She's thinking about all the dollars she'll make from all the lobbyists and book sales if she's elected. If this moron is elected, it'll be the nail in this once bright country's coffin.
There's no hope for the mindless drones, you can't convince them of anything that is FACT. We need Dennis or Howard or anyone with a spine to start a third party to counteract the Legions of Stupid.
NOBODY 2012
The Republican party is splintering yet the democrats are too weak to take advantage, so we must yet again quiver in fear at the latest threat to our dear republic. Both sides simply take turns at power, each playing the same games.
Aren't these the same people who were for Buchanan then Perot then Paul? Loud, unworkable propositions (abolish the fed! no taxes/no deficit!) creepy right-wing undercurrent.
They are just co-opted by Fox to push the right's agenda. But the Repubes can't control them just point them in a general direction.
Grassroots Movement = Tea Party = for the people by the people
Tea Party Convention =Sarah Palin as main speaker= quit as Governor= tickets to the event are $549 each???!!!???
It seems the two statements should have nothing to do with each other...
The real members of the Tea Party Movement are not quitters...We don't abandon our elected posts, our jobs, or responsibilities. This movement was born out of sheer frustration with Washington, the Big Brother Police State, and taxation without representation. Now the Tea Party Movement has been infiltrated, watered down, and Sarah Palin has been elected Rogue Queen of the Movement. What a crock! And $549 for 1 ticket!!! That's highway robbery! Compare this with the upcoming Campaign for Liberty Convention in Atlanta GA 1/15-1/17/2010..Ron Paul is the main speaker who has voted Constitutionally and said no to bigger government, unnecessary war, and higher taxes... and the price to attend his Convention? 65$!!!
When are so-called 'Conservatives' and 'Republicans' going to learn? Perhaps, they don't want to truly experience liberty and America the way our Founding Fathers intended it to be. Perhaps, having FOX (FAUX) NEWS spoon feed them their new opinions on Obama, Endless War, and Al Quaeda is what they settle for...Mike Huckabee, Glenn Beck, and Sean Hannity validate their existence and entertain the fake 'Conservatives' all the while they bash True conservatives and Americans like Ron Paul.
Evidence of insult and discrimination against True Conservatives and Constitutionalists by FOX (FAUX) NEWS and their Underlings:
Glenn Beck calls Ron Paul supporters 'terrorists':
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/7601
Hannity insults/discredits Ron Paul and his supporters:
Ron Paul Florida Post Debate w/ Hannity & Colmes 10-21-07
Hannity tries to discount the poll results but Ron Paul forces Hannity to affront the audience, insult FOX News, or admit Ron Paul won. In all, a great interview and surprisingly civil.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDwDIj5ahuY
Huckabee attempting to debate Ron Paul and showing his ignorance on foreign policy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9sA5FQfE1E
An old post of mine explaining Huckabee's flawed logic, his past failures and non conservative voting record, and his discrediting of a Constitutional Conservative Tea Party or Third Party:
http://tnsonsofliberty.blogspot.com/2009/11/h...
Campaign for Liberty Atlanta, GA Conference 1/15-1/17/2010 only $65!!!:
http://www.campaignforliberty.com/event/2010a...
Campaign for Liberty Atlanta, GA schedule:
http://www.campaignforliberty.com/event/2010a...
Tea Party Nation Convention Ticket Price only 549$!!!:
http://tpn.eventbrite.com/?ref=eweb
Tea Party Nation Convention Schedule:
http://www.nationalteapartyconvention.com/sch...
Which one of the above events could the average American more likely attend? Especially during these times of rising unemployment and financial uncertainty?
Please examine what I have presented and decide which kind of Conservative or Constitutionalist you are!!!
Do you want lower taxes, limited federal government, and the freedom to exercise your Constitutional Rights?
Or do you want bigger more bloated Federal Govt, more Endless War, more pork barrel projects, and more bills like the Patriot Act (brought to you by the Neo-Conservative George W Bush)?
In Truth and Liberty,
Joey Fuller
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It is common for people to fear the word Militia, because it is the Constitutionally approved method of the people taking and keeping their rights and control of the country.
Militias are not "crazy, wacky extremists," they are every citizen, The Constitution in the Second amendment states that there should be well organized militias.
That means Militias which are in effect managed, have a recognized structure.
Militias are citizens performing their DUTIES under the constitution, and the assumption is that without this ability to form and stand up against all enemies, foreign and domestic, That tyranny will likely invade and consume our established freedoms.
Well regulated doesn't mean run BY the government, because the Government may indeed be the adversary of the militias.
Militias should be regulated by the people themselves. And the Second Amendment allows them to be ARMED.
It was militias which created this country. It is Militias, as described in the Second Amendment which are the correct tool for assuring tyranny doesn't descend on our citizens.
The simple concept that these militias may be formed and used is usually enough to prevent them from having to be used. It has worked as a deterrent for 234 years.
One of the agendas of the Progressive movement is to eliminate and /or reduce the abilities of the people to achieve self determination.
The RIGHT to KEEP and BEAR arms is protected, and RIGHTS are undeniable. The allowance of laws which limit these rights undermine the right, and change it into a privilege, something that can be denied, and allowed only by conditional behaviors, such as registration, licensing, and restrictions on when, where, and by whom, should be resisted, and challenged Constitutionally.
The Supreme Court long ago ruled that laws and rights protected in the Constitution extend to all forms of government, not just federal, so even localities and states have to follow the Constitution while performing their daily operations, assuring that Citizens have full protection under the law, which is established under the Constitution.
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
The Laws created at any level of Government which infringe on this amendment are Unconstitutional. That includes ANY gun Control, licensing, registration, restrictions, and any laws designed to disarm the public.
Persons who wrongfully USE weapons are subject to the laws of the Justice system, but there is no Constitutional law which allows laws which say Citizens may not arm themselves and carry their arms.
It is arguable that carry of arms reduces the incidence of crimes of violence. Criminals never know if the intended victim may be armed.
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