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[Members of the James Younger Camp of the Sons of Confederate Veterans in 2006.]

Looking into the background of Rep. Joe Wilson, R-South Carolina, after his heckling of President Obama last night, I came across this:

Joe also has been a member of the Columbia World Affairs Council, Fellowship of Christian Athletes, Sinclair Lodge 154, Jamil Temple, Woodmen of the World, Sons of Confederate Veterans, ....

This is an organization that, as the SPLC has detailed assiduously, has been taken over in the past decade by radical neo-Confederates who favor secession and defend slavery as a benign institution. Leading the takeover is a radical racist named Kirk Lyons, who's been an important legal figure on the far right for some years.* [More below]

In more recent years, the takeover has led to an outright internal civil war. Andrew Meacham at the St. Petersburg Times detailed the internal rift last year:

Experts say the divisions within the Sons vary between two extremes. On one side are the traditionalists, members who focus on cleaning up Confederate grave sites and conducting Civil War re-enactments.

On the other side are the so-called Lunatics, up to 2,000 members who deride traditionalists as "grannies'' and belong to camps named after notorious Southern figures such as John Wilkes Booth and Jesse James.

John Wilkes Booth members have been known to put pennies in urinals, making sure to leave the Lincoln side face-up. Other Lunatic groups have removed the U.S. flag from their halls and banned the Pledge of Allegiance, says Walter Hilderman, who several years ago created an anti-Lunatic group called Save the Sons of Confederate Veterans.

"The problem is it's supposed to be a patriotic organization," says Hilderman, 59. "You are either that or you let guys in who want to secede."

As Heidi Beirich at the SPLC reported, this rift has led to Lyons himself coming under harsh attack from his own right flank. The SCV is a serious mess.

Now, add this to the fact that Joe Wilson, as a state legislator, was one of only seven Republicans to go against their own party and vote to keep the Dixie Rebel flag flying over the South Carolina capitol:

The flag came down that year after Republicans in both houses went for a compromise that would put it on Statehouse grounds at the Confederate Soldier’s monument. The “Magnificent Seven” of Senators who voted to keep the flag up included current Congressman Joe Wilson (who I served with in the 218th Infantry Brigade of the National Guard.)

A clearer picture of why this congressman might so virulently breach protocol and loudly interrupt an African-American president's speech to Congress by calling him a liar does start to emerge, doesn't it?

So inquiring minds want to know:

Is Joe Wilson still a member of the Sons of Confederate Veterans?

If so, does he condone the activities of the "Lunatic" faction that now controls the SCV?

Does Joe Wilson consider the Republican Party "the Party of Lincoln"?

Does Joe Wilson support secession?

Blue Texan at FDL has more.

*I encountered Lyons when I was covering the Freemen standoff near Jordan, Montana, in 1996. He actually played a key role in bringing an end to the 81-day standoff, mainly because he had so much cred with with radical racists who were holed up at the Clark Ranch.

Here's the relevant excerpt from In God's Country: The Patriot Movement and the Pacific Northwest (pp.257-58):

The talks in Jordan continued apace. The final piece of the puzzle came June 9 when the FBI flew in Kirk Lyons, director of a North Carolina legal organization called the CAUSE Foundation, and two of his colleagues. The group (whose initials ostensibly stand for Canada, Australia, United States and Europe -- everywhere that white people are established) describes itself as a defender of unpopular causes and the powerless: ``I will always support the rights of radicals,’’ Lyons is fond of saying. ``The more radical they are, the more they need to be supported for their rights. If you take away their rights, we’re all losers.’’

Actually, Lyons himself is a white separatist who sneers at the current American system. ``Democracy in America is a farce and a failure,’’ he once wrote. ``It has led us to the brink of a police state.’’ He attended Pete Peters’ 1992 gathering at Estes Park, Colorado, that is widely credited with giving birth to the militia movement. At the session, he led discussions on how to establish common-law courts throughout the country.

Lyons first made a name for himself successfully defending Ku Klux Klan Grand Dragon Louis Beam in his 1988 post-Order sedition trial in Arkansas. He attempted to represent David Koresh during the standoff at Waco, filing for a restraining order against the FBI that a judge abruptly refused, and after the siege ended in disaster, he took up the cause of surviving Davidians in their lawsuit against the government.

The Freemen, however, indicated to the FBI that they trusted Lyons to handle some of the legal negotiations. Lyons had previously contacted the FBI in March and told them he’d be willing to act as a mediator. On June 9, they called him and said: ``You have been elevated to a viable option.’’ Lyons and his colleagues caught a flight out the next day and arrived at the Clark ranch on June 10.

Lyons assured the Freemen they would be able to present their cases in court, as he had done in Arkansas. ``They came in as a vehicle,’’ says Karl Ohs. ``Edwin was saying, `Well, I’m gonna leave.’ And the CAUSE people were then able to talk to the other four and convince them. Because if Edwin was going to leave, they knew they had to leave too. So they convinced them that there was some sort of legal documents that they could file -- it gave them a glimmer of hope, even though everybody probably knew it was false hope, at least they could say that it wasn’t, and have some dignifying grace. And they knew enough of the things that they had to file and do that could let them have a way of escaping.’’

Central to the Freemen’s willingness to come out lay in protecting all their documents, law books and computer files they had stored up over the years, so that they could easily access them in preparing their defense. Lyons negotiated an agreement to load the documents into a Ryder truck and hand all the documents over to Karl Ohs, who promised to protect them from being mishandled by the FBI.

All the elements were in place, except for one: Edwin Clark wanted to have a final consultation with LeRoy Schweitzer, who was locked up at the Yellowstone County Jail in Billings. The Freemen wouldn’t come out, they said, unless LeRoy gave it his blessing.

Lyons went to the FBI with a proposal: Let him accompany Edwin Clark in a plane flown by the FBI to Billings, so Clark could present the surrender package to Schweitzer and see if it passed legal muster in the Freeman’s eyes -- that is, that they wouldn’t be signing their rights away by surrendering. Only Schweitzer, it seemed, could make the final ruling on that for them.

The FBI agent, according to Lyons, responded: ``Let me get this straight. You want us to take a man who is technically under arrest, fly him in an FBI plane to a jail we hope to see him incarcerated in, bring him home and then put him under the siege again? Is that what you’re asking?’’

Yes, Lyons replied.

The negotiators checked in with FBI Director Louis B. Freeh back in Washington. Freeh personally approved the plan.

On Tuesday, June 11, Edwin Clark walked out of the compound, where he met Lyons and two FBI agents. They piled into a Suburban and drove to the Jordan airport, and then flew to Billings. He arrived in Billings at about 2 p.m., and returned to the Jordan airport by 7 p.m. The FBI kept mum on whether or not Schweitzer had given his blessing to the plan, but the mood among the agents seemed decidedly optimistic.

The next day, Dana Dudley’s daughter Amanda Michele Kendricks -- or Ashley Taylor, as she sometimes called herself -- walked out of the ranch with a female FBI agent and promptly asked for a cigarette. FBI agents did not mind letting the teenager smoke in front of them. They were just glad she was out. It was the last of the ``innocents’’ to leave the Clark ranch.

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constituent's picture

wilson is a HATE cheerleader. he'll be a hero on the idiot box.

CFAmick's picture

I want to visit TheFoxNation.com to see the response, but I don't want to...

I think I saw his picture on a box of "Whities".


Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.

Shadowgm's picture

... with a lot of flakes and nuts.

right on_exclamation point here's picture

tighty whities?

Sure enough... Joe Wilson is a racist bigoted bag of shite!

fastfeat's picture

Breakfast of Champions Chumps.


"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."

---Southwest Airlines

liberalNmoderation's picture

check inside the box for cool toys kids!
Like jagged metal o's!

I don't understand how a person can harbor nostalgia for a group that succeeded from the US 150 years ago but still consider themselves a "patriot."

Shadowgm's picture

They're RIGHT. They've always been right. Y'see, Lincoln freed the slaves, and them uppity black folk have ruined everything since.

Well, except for the Chinese and the Commies and the Japanese and the Illegal Aliens and the Muslims and the Liberals and the Pagans and the Secularists and ...

ThunderMonkey's picture

defending what you believe is right, and be wrong at the same time?


"When are we going to stop trying to tell elected officials what to do. Our job is to spend the taxpayers' money the best way we can." -- Tommy Watkins, Justice of the Peace, Crawford County, Arkansas

Annoyed Canuck's picture

If Orwell were writing '1984' or 'Animal Farm' today, he wouldn't base his writings on the Stalinist totalitarians of the left.

He'd write about the illogical right-wing 'Freedom-Fascists' who hate the very things (freedom and democracy) they pretend to love.

Tyler Durden's picture

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Handypants's picture

Shocked - shocked I tell you.

The GOP is being taken over by the racists and H8trs.


"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that!
" ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )

Being?


Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.

during my college years. Being from CA, there was a romantic notion of sorts for me regarding these guys and their often hot bikes and women. But I never was able to grasp how hating blacks and others was necessary to be part of the club.


"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."

---Southwest Airlines

means? Not real bikers. They may be bad asses, but real bikers? Naw. I'll bet one of them is wearing white sneakers, too. And if they are really the sons of confederate veterans, they are very, very old.

and has ride behind that windshield...


"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."

---Southwest Airlines

Oh, dat's easy.

They want arr wimmin...

Trittydi's picture

So - he's a racist SOB.

He gets his own spot in Paul Hipps newest bit.
*

was there ever even question that wilson was a racist? not for me...

Somedaysoon's picture

Not all bigots are republican. But if he is a bigot he is republican. Not all republicans are self-righteous a**holes. But if he is a self-righteous a**hole he is a republican. Not all republicans are lying sacks of sh*t. But if he is a lying sack of sh*t he is a republican. Not all hypocrites are republican but if he is a hypocrite he is republican. And so on....

n order for bigotry to become racism, you first gotta have a system that rewards that bigotry.

Which means you gotta have the power to reward (and punish).

Racism isn't mainly or mostly about bigotry, bias, discrimination. It's about the system that perpetuates these acts as part of a culture of suppression.

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woody's picture

I'm impressed...

liberalNmoderation's picture

Ya stay up all night thinkin that up, aaaaall by yourself?
Or did you get that from stormfront, ya goddamn regressionist knuckedragger?

fastfeat's picture

Your 15 minutes of shame are just about up...


"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."

---Southwest Airlines

Think I'll go buy a lottery ticket. If I win, the sitemonitor gets a cut...

[I'll be monitoring the lottery situation closely. Site Monitor]


"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."

---Southwest Airlines

woody's picture

Yes, this John Stossel, the whipped cur, loud-mouthed lout and "libertarian" wuss.

He's leaving ABC and going to

wait for it...

You got it! Faux News!

He's leaving ABC and going to

wait for it...

You got it! Faux News!

To give moustache rides to Glen Beck?


Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.

ron's picture

LOL!

*


"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui

DamOTclese's picture

Golly, that was a surprise.

liberalNmoderation's picture

were in a tizzy this mornin because people were callin him a racist BEFORE this little gem came out.

Paul's picture

I think one of the guys in that picture is my ex-brother-in-law. A racist douchebag.

dilly's picture

Mullet rhyme with bullet?


"every cloud is silver liney"

liberalNmoderation's picture

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Spaghetti Monster's picture

... another religious delusional redneck whackjob that shits in bed and kicks it out with his feet!

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liberalNmoderation's picture
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--and they can't--then brute force is the next option.

liberalNmoderation's picture

like it makes their points less idiotic.

ron's picture
So,

calling out this Joe Wilson is a bad thing? You support the guy that called the President of the United States a liar in the halls of congress? You need aan attitude adjustment or just a strong slap along side your head.

Olaff Umanatee's picture
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liberalNmoderation's picture

Do you have a point, other than the one on your head?
Or do you hate your president because he's black?

ron's picture

You going to really give Beck mustache rides?

savannah43's picture

He keeps signing up with different names today.

Liberalicious's picture

Sounds like it, cause you went to all this trouble registering on this site just to spew your troll garbage.

Diaper babies should stay in their cribs and wait for mommy to bring some wipes for your oh-so-chapped whiny sticky crybaby ass.

constituent's picture

dishes out the hate with no substance. the path of least resistance.

Terrible's picture

Olaff prefers coked up alcoholic pasty white Mass frat boys who get their daddy to get them into the Air Guard so they don't have to go to war and then skip out on even that commitment in order to go get drunk and chase whores. That's Olaffs idea of a perfect Pres.

ysbaddaden's picture
)O(

It's called hearing him out.

All wilson managed to prove is no matter how much President Obama tries to be bipartisan, to repugs bi means gay.


Diabolus est Deus Inversus

Very good, Olaff. You're usin' the spell check.

You must be an intelligent goober.


Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.

Terrible's picture

Neo-confederates and Neo-nazis gaining control of America? Good luck with that. Somehow I don't think your corporate masters will approve your plan.

did anyone mention that:
Joe Wilson is scum. Joe Wilson must go now!


"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-

constituent's picture

that's the (r) strategy have an idiot say something that can be spun all week on the infotainment shows.
people get off on this shxt. wilson is a clown like many of his constituents. it's much easier for these types to lie and spread HATE than to offer solutions. wilson represents more diversion. this was a strategy it wasn't uncontrolled emotion. it was staged like pro wrestling. it's for those addicted to hate. those that can't hear and/or understand a word president obama is saying. for this demographic it's all or nothing,
with me or against me. i'm sick of it. this is useless CULTURE CLUB bullshxt. i HATE those not like me.

fiver's picture

And quite convenient. Obama gets to pretend he's fighting the Right. He's taking on those who claim reform will kill grandma and fund illegal aliens.

At the same time, he gets to cave in to actual Right Wing objectives like: making reform deficit neutral while continuing the Bush tax cuts, pretending there is "competition" in an "insurance exchange" run by a legally sanctioned monopoly, cutting deals with PhRMA to guarantee their profit, ignoring and marginalizing single payer advocates (and now public option advocates).

Quite a convenient heckle.


Corruption favors the wealthy.

ricky's picture

is keeping a lid on the Kennedy assassination.


“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder

fiver's picture

... but he is certainly keeping a lid on crimes against humanity.


Corruption favors the wealthy.

deficit neutral? So we're not repealing the BushCo tax cuts?

Evet's picture

The South Will Rise Again types huh?

Is Viagra covered?


Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.

Handypants's picture

Actually yes but birth control pills . . . not-so-much

UGH!


"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that!
" ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )

Hechicera's picture

had full sex-ed. Birth control pills not so hard.

It's interesting who they want breeding, and who they will help not breed whenever possible. Quiverfull moms are supposed to run clown cars. Poor folks, they can have the pill, np!

Evet's picture

a guy towed a decommissioned missile out in front of Pfizers headquarters with Viva Viagra! painted on it. Pfizer sued him for trademark infringement and they freaking won.

Duhhhhhh

http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/i...

armed missiles?


“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder

liberalNmoderation's picture

But when and where.
Breaking military protocol, breaking the rules of the house.
Say what you will on your own time, but you're on the taxpayer dime asshole.

ysbaddaden's picture
)O(

Their vision for President Obama?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MQYn-GvGOM


Diabolus est Deus Inversus

Handypants's picture

Josh Bowman: Man With Gun Arrested Near Capitol During Obama Speech

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/10/josh...

******

The GOP SOB's have given a wink and a nod by their actions like calling the president a liar.


"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that!
" ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )

Mike in Milwaukee's picture
WTF

What if the GOP gets majority? Then I can carry guns to GOP events, scream at them with impunity and generally be an asshole.

Handypants's picture

We will never be that much like them - we just aren't that un-American.


"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that!
" ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )

Evet's picture

screaming "Liar Liar Pant's on Fire" through a bullhorn doesn't exactly enhance our image as a Super Educated populace either.

maybe we can get minstrels from hollywood with very talented backsides.


Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.

Evet's picture

and yell (Quote) "When are we going to rise up against our government and the criminal cartel that owns it?"

for special effect!

And don't forget your Jefferson T-Shirt, and pictures of Republican Hitlers.


Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.

liberalNmoderation's picture

Weren't they a rock band from the 60's or somethin?

Evet's picture

thinking "I thought that damn Wilson and his wife have been outed what wuz he doin there anyway.

liberalNmoderation's picture

It was quite amusing actually.

Handypants's picture
BTW

Miller - the person who will challenge Joe has raised $400,000.00 . . .

Those two words have cost him dearly.

We need more of this - we need to drown the GOP crazies in democratic donations to their challengers.

I LOVE IT!

http://www.actblue.com/entity/fundraisers/19079


"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that!
" ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )

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Study the symptoms not the virus...

liberalNmoderation's picture

hits 1 million by tomorrow night.

Didn't the guy running against Bachmann get big bucks too?


“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder

Handypants's picture
Yes

But the money came in too close to the election (one or two months) to do him any good.

If the $$$ got to Bachmann's opponent 90 earlier . . .


"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that!
" ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )

liberalNmoderation's picture

if memory serves...

Phillip1's picture

There is probably not much of a difference between this group and the KKK.

Wilson's problem with Obama likely has nothing to do with healthcare, just like all the rest of these nuts, he has no idea what he is talking about with healthcare and what is being proposed, he likely really just has a problem with a blackman in office.

South Carolina has 20.4% of it population with no healthcare insurance. That is 1 in 5 South Carolians with no healthcare. The 11th worst state in the country.

Do you think Joe Wilson cares? Probably a lot of poor and black people with no insurance in South Carolina. He probably could not give a care. However, all those uninsured people are still costing the insured in South Carolina.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/122387/uninsured-h...

Also Blue Cross Blue Shield has a 66% market share of the South Carolina health insurance market. Basically a monopoly. Do you think this "free marketer" Republican Joe Wilson cares there is very little competition in his own state? He does not give a crap.

http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2009/0...

This idiot Joe Wilson really does not give a crap about health insurance reform, the uninsured or competition. His own state has amongst the worst health insurance record in the country.

liberalNmoderation's picture

For all we know, he could be a card-carrying member.

photo to explain what their connection to Rep. Wilson is!

Also, was Mr. Wilson's outburst influenced by his continued shame over Strom Thurmonds premarital biracial sexual past?


“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder

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Study the symptoms not the virus...

Who is behind these lies? Groups like the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR). They pose as mainstream lobbyists to spread bigotry, lies and hate -- and they are trying to meet with your Representatives this week.

Fight back: Tell your Representatives in Washington not to meet with FAIR - or any other hate groups! Click here to raise your voice.

Wilson is just the latest mouthpiece for groups like FAIR, whose main agenda is rooted in white nationalism, fear, and xenophobia.

FAIR is classified as a "hate group" by the Southern Poverty Law Center, but its members have been lobbying Congress for years now. They are storming DC this week for an annual lobby day called "Hold Their Feet To The Fire."

We need your voice NOW to counter the hate:

http://americasvoiceonline.org/page/content/f...


Study the symptoms not the virus...

Some of them carry chainsaws and axes?


“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder

oldretire's picture

The brain dead morally bankrupt puke scum and trash of the Wacko Right does speak up. Yup, just further conviction that these MORONS are much better at child Pedophilia, Wife Cheating, Spousal abuse, Child Abuse, and the list goes on. The wacko right (oxymoron coming up) Thinks this Zipper Salivating piece of Garbage is a hero.

scooter's picture

showed their true colors last night. Racist dimwits, every one. There can be no reasoning with such ignorance. Obama needs to corral the Dems and tell them to get their shit together and pass this healthcare reform bill and shove it right up Republicans asses.

They had better! The Repugs don't have the integrity to feel shame. Not a single Republican remains that is of representative calibre. It keeps getting worse. We are witnessing the coming out of a monster. Now and finally, at this point, they have nothing left to loose but their status as the official opposition. they have squandered every last bit of credibility, and now i suggest they collectively step down as the opposition.


"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-

Ghostbuck's picture

Half the white politicians in South Carolina are members of the SCV (including some Democrats).

It's a bizarre group and they're a front from white supremacist recruitment. About 15 years ago I worked for a national park coordinating living history events. My work dealt with the American Revolution, though. However, I met a gentleman who asked me to if I'd like to attend a Civil War event sponsored in part by the SCV. I had no idea who they were but he pressed me because I had several ancestors in his particular regiment they portrayed.

I attended the event and was presented with a magazine called the "Southern Partisan" that I "might be interested in reading." I flipped through it and was horrified by the articles. This was extremist rewriting of history. The point was clear to advance a white supremacist agenda, reawaken secession as a politically viable option, bring down the United States government, and promote "southern values."

I realized quickly that the SCV was the recruiting arm of even more radical white supremacist and neo-confederate organizations. I left their living history event quickly!

They will tell you that the SCV is like the DAR of SAR but they are lying. The SCV is not dedicated to history but to rewriting history and promoting a new brand of political extremism and racism.

Look into the bios of most prominent SC politicians who are white and you'll probably find a membership in the SCV in there somewhere.

BTW: In South Carolina you can even get an SCV license plate resplendant with their "logo" of a confederate battle flag

Handypants's picture

"(including some Democrats)"

We should have a list of THOSE names to kick their sorry asses out of power too.

Hate and racism have no place in America.


"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that!
" ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )

General Jack D. Ripper's picture

You just knew that Wilson had to be a member of a group like this. Idiot racist.

Oh, and I just love it when trolls are "deleted for violations." Too bad I didn't get a chance what that troll above said!

These guys are just dope smokin', meth makin'(the best kind of meth...with efederin L...oops), prison breakin', beer drinkin', "can't" dancin', wife swappin'dope peddlin', long hair, bearded weirdo biker freaks who can't stand "suits" or the guys that wear them? These guys will make a "suit" cry just by lookin' at 'em. ("suits" are phonies who sell and buy the dope to judges and senators and congressmen and paiges and babes and claim these bikers made them do it...that's a "suit". They also go bisexual, like Larry Craig, not homo just methed-up).
Don't these guys look like they've all been in prison? And Joe Wilson is recruiting them because they are college educated? And Joe Wilson is a big boy?
Guys like these hate fuckin' suits.....But there's probably a real racial tension here because these kinds of guys...JW Booth lost the war.
Little Bear

On msnbc they said the tea baggers are already cheering him as their hero and there are already bumper stickers that say, "Joe Wilson for President 2012". This is ugly and getting uglier every day.


Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.

General Jack D. Ripper's picture

Wolf Blitzer just said that in SC, conservatives are selling T-shirts that say, "I'm with Joe Wilson."

Ugly, ugly, ugly.

They look like this:

I'm With
Stupid ->
jOe wiLsoN

Radically Moderate ad infinitum's picture

j0e WIlSon fer PreZnit
2012 or wHateVer


'Talk to the hand'

GrandEd's picture

I grew up in South Carolina. My family has been in the state since the 1690s. I was born about 35 miles from where the first member of our family settled about 20 years after Charleston was founded.

My family owned slaves, a fact that I'm not proud of, but realize there's not a damn thing I can do about it. My great great grandfather fought under Jackson at Fredricksburg and other places. My great uncle had one of the largest collections of CSA memorabilia in the country prior to his death 50 years ago.

That said, I've never been more ashamed of the idiots and hard headed a**holes that they have leading that state today.

My biggest disappointment last night was that the Speaker didn't have the Sgt at Arms expel him from the chambers.

General Jack D. Ripper's picture

I just checked....as of 04:15 PM CST, Joe Wilson's web site is still down. Wonder why?

Wow, I'm shocked, another republican bigot? I can't believe! I had to say What?!? That's not the Republican party I know...

...Oh,wait...it is! Never mind.

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were jumping the gun in believing racism was involved think now?


"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui

Dateline Baghdad 2108's picture

If some loud mouthed Democrat had cat called W. a liar Richard B. Cheney would've walked down into the Chamber and beat the living snot out of the traitor.

Those were the good old days. Democrats cowering at the feet of The Dick.


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Kreskin's picture

While I've never been a fan of the Repugs my what an absolutely pathetic bunch they are now , they have their looney tune and dumb as a box of rocks base and that's all they have . I do think they will pay ( again ) in the next elections .


Insanity , it is what it is , there is no understanding it .

and you have a black President telling you "you've been telling lies, boy". What self-respecting Southern cracker wouldn't find that hard to take?

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ricky's picture

The Constitution does not prohibit illegal aliens from serving in the Armed Forces. Damn that lying Hamilton to hell.


“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder

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noorismail's picture

They are the same crew from 1861-2009.
The are proud their great great Grand-Pappy put down his "cone-licker",
rolled off his youngest daughter,bid adieu to sister/wife,and left his shack to fight for the "right" of a rich man to own another human being.

They are too stupid to see the same type of Kentucky Colonels that sold them that first bill of goods, are still using them as
deniable and disposable cannon fodder.

They are also too stupid to see that the Wilson's of the world, view them as White Trash, fit only for the Penitentiary,The Military,or to wear a dunce cap and bed-sheet in their service.

I am White,Poor,Southern,and pretty Damn Ignorant.
Thank God I am not ignorant enough to see these Mint Julip sipping,
knee slapping, Son's Of The Southland, as anything other than the dissipated,
perverted,
cowardly,
A-Hole's they were and are.
No "Neo" needed.

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Lincoln did not believe in racial equality. Many times in his political career, he makes his position on the matter of race and slavery quite clear.

Discussing the Fugitive Slave Act of 1850, he said: "[When slave owners] remind us of their constitutional rights [to own slaves], I acknowledge them, not grudgingly but fully and fairly; and I would give them any legislation for the claiming of their fugitives."

In debate with Douglas in 1858 at Ottawa, Illinois, Lincoln said: "I have no purpose to introduce political and social equality between the white and black races. There is a physical difference between the two, which, in my judgment, will probably forever forbid their living together upon the footing of perfect equality; and inasmuch as it becomes a necessity that there must be a difference, I, as well as Judge Douglas, am in favor of the race to which I belong having the superior position. I have never said anything to the contrary."

Lincoln repeated these beliefs several times . In his First Inaugural Address in 1861 he said he had no "purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery, in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so." Instead Lincoln dedicated most of the speech to denying that States could legally secede from the Union by arguing that the Union was older than the Constitution.

Lincoln's "solution" for black people in the United States was to colonize them back to Africa. He toyed with several plans to do that, which prompted William Loyd Garrison, the abolitionist, to denounce him: "President Lincoln may colonize himself if he choose, but it is an impertinent act, on his part, to propose the getting rid of those who are as good as himself."

The Emancipation Proclamation was confessed by Lincoln himself to be a political move during the war to keep England and other European countries from recognizing the Confederacy as a separate country. The Proclamation did not apply to States which were loyal to the Union where it would have meant that slaves would actually be freed, but to the states of the Confederacy where Lincoln had no control over the matter. Lincoln's own secretary of state William Seward, mocked the Emancipation Proclamation by saying, "We show our sympathy with slavery by emancipating slaves where we cannot reach them and holding them in bondage where we can set them free.'"

I once lived in Columbia, between the Late '70s and Late '80s. Then, I moved to Houston. Houston is too Yankee compared to Columbia. It's too diverse. I just choose to move back to Columbia. I have pride of South Carolina.

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