Before yesterday's remarkable success story on the high seas off the coast of Somalia, the right-wing yammerers were calling Obama "President Pantywaist". One of these blogs had the following classic line:
Navy SEALs are certainly no pantywaists, but unfortunately their commander-in-chief is.
Fox News, as you can see in the video above, was littered with similar yammering.
Now the best part: It turns out that "President Pantywaist" overturned George W. Bush's timid dithering on the issue last year in unleashing those Navy SEALs:
President Barack Obama issued a standing order to use force against pirates holding an American captain hostage — including giving a Navy commander the authority to act if he believed the captain’s life was in danger, two senior defense officials said Sunday night.
Navy snipers aboard the USS Bainbridge on Sunday shot and killed three of the pirates after the Bainbridge’s commander gave the order, when a pirate was spotted aboard the lifeboat pointing an AK-47 rifle at Capt. Richard Phillips, one defense official said.
You see, back last November, George W. Bush punted on the matter:
U.S. President George W. Bush has been briefed about increasing attacks by Somali pirates off east Africa, and the United States is consulting with other U.N. Security Council members on ways to combat the threat, the White House said on Wednesday.
Calling it a "a very complicated issue," White House spokeswoman Dana Perino gave no hint of what, if any, action the United States might take following the hijacking earlier this week of a Saudi supertanker with a $100 million oil cargo.
Obama signed the order giving the Navy the go-ahead to take these people out when they had the opportunity in February.
But the mighty armchair generals of the right will never acknowledge this, of course.
oh jesus if i had a nickle for everytime a president recieved credit for others that allready know what to do to get things done by the navy! ID be rich!
...should be elated that the Captain came out of that mess unhurt. The fact that the President can't be blamed in itself is a major victory...better luck next time.
ok lefty! maby he didnt seek it but youall dumped it in his lap anyway , cant be blamed for what ? getting lesser ranks killed in iraq? or afganistan? jesus talk about grasping for straws!
So sad that you can't understand that this post is in response to the right wing retards calling President Obama a "pantywaist" for not rescuing this guy(like it was his job). The job got done and now those morons should be eating crow. They are all going to eat crow on a weekly basis as President Obama's policies work for Americans. Poor losers will always be sore losers. Sucks to be a right wingtard in wingnuttistan. Can't wait to see all those losers whine about ? on Wed. Ha.
ok so i see!what we got heres a bunch of kids on a school play ground going yahh nahhh nahhh naw, with each other , yo momma wears combat boots , your mommas so fat her ass looks like a base drum, jesus! the thing is this was blown up into so much horse hockey, an american destroyer captain didnt get to where he is by being a dummy, or needing obama to tell him his job! most probably that skipper would have came up with a solution that could have prevented deaths in any event it is and was that destroyers captains decision for what ever the outcome was, obama didnt pull the triggers on thoes pirates and he doesnt deserve any more recognition then any other onlooker !
CTFD(calm the fock down) I don't even know where you are going with this. The guy is safe and you are going off the deep end. Something was resolved for the better. Other than three people dead, this worked to our advantage so far.
Crow must taste awful.
lol
so then yo mamma does wear combat boot?
only one 'boot'
ha!
sad ! one boot?lose the other leg in.......afganistan ?
"so then yo mamma does wear combat boot?"
See above
wow.
yeah me too!
might use that ignore button. I don't want to but I am soo saddened by the sheer stupidiy that I may just block it from view. Just so I don't get depressed.
try valium if you cant understand what i said then youve never served on a united states destroyer , or that a captain of such a ship can think on his own !
Congradulations!! You are my first.
first to be ignored due to childlike tendencies.
first! wow!
Hope your proud.
Keep talking like a child and see how many people respond.
Byeee!
oh i dont really care! you seem to think your the first one to do it! thats how inbreeding gets started, generally i read everyones posts even people i dont like , all that means when im put on ignore is i dont have to be attacked by folks with no imagination, my point was this was blown out of praportions by the news media and the zombies who want to make it more then it is!!tah tah!
like psuedoliberals. He was my first and only ignore. What a sorry existence bitchers have. Must be dementia in this case. I noticed the child-like tendencies too. Glad you did.
and another bott speaks from the heart!
You could've kept him going for at least another dozen;)
Slackin' off?
Corruption favors the wealthy.
/ fiver you cant reason with a bott, and i dont have all night waiting for them to strain the goat crap from thier brains!
to overlook the "Chain of Command"!
Study the symptoms not the virus...
and would you please list the order of the chain of command for me please! starting with the first level above a ships captain then on up the chain of command !
Mon, 04/13/2009 - 15:48 — Mr.DNA
Crow must taste awful.
____________________________________________
Sheryl Crow?
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
I think she looks great, and it "should be"..
num num num num........ mmmmmmmmm good.
But, I heard something about using her
"one square" of TP to be environmentally friendly. (I could be wrong, don't remember where I heard that and certainly don't have a link).
Hmmmmm, may not be mmmmmmmmm.
Peace.
if I had a nickle everytime you said ignorant, negative shit in an attempt to make Obama look bad, I'D be richer than you!
Sound like a fucking broken record!
sorry lib and what ever , i dont have to make obama look bad hes doing it on his own, but its not worth my time noteing his many repig bills hes voted for ,or his warmongerin for the corporations or the measly crumbs hes feeding the botts to keep them from ripping the whitehouse apart and kicking these bums out into the street where they will probably boot your ass, !
Exorcising the ghosts the Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton fiascos past... Go Job Prez... thank you for shutting them up!
Obama promoted his "as careful getting out as we were careless getting in" line for Iraq.
Seems like a trend. Conservatards viewing hestitation as weakness, end up getting people killed and making a mess.
Obama supported careful planning and meticulous execution and this mission rescued the hostage successfully.
Patience is not a conservative virtue.
... that he likes to think before he speaks.
God, I hate the reich wing.
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noise machine will come up in order to try to neutralize Obama's correctness regarding this action.
The thing that pissed me off about this whole ordeal rush the GOP took in order to politize this event...
This morning, they had a interview with a GOP media whore with the news graphics reading "Who's the Real Hero?"
on False News of course.
Quite a feat really.
With the recent threats from the pirates, they'll now attack Obama for escalating this stuff. They're too predictable.
is intended to be a factual statement
I really wish that wingnuts would just shut their mouths but then again they are the best at making themselves look like complete idiots.
just rememeber they represent the tea baggers of america....
NOM NOM NOM
They don't look like complete idiots.
They ARE complete iddyutz.
from the Fox Three Ring Circus.
No matter what Mr Mustache would have had a problem with Obama's actions. Now that Obama did save the captain and killed the pirates are any of these assholes saying "good job" - I haven't heard them yet!
They're going to try as hard as they can to come up with an Obama version of "Clinton was too weak to take out Bin Laden" meme.
Totally a lie but when has that stopped conservatards? They're already lying about Obama cutting the defense budget.
Actually Obama has received much praise from FOX news today for his actions. Even Glenn Beck said that he had done the right thing and congratulated him.
I was flippin through the channels yesterday, MSNBC had some kinda fluff BS on there, and CNBC, just had so much crap on the screen my hangover only intensified, so...RELUCTANTLY...I watched fox news...only briefly...and they were the only ones covering the rescue. And, during the 15 minutes or so I watched it...nothing too terribly propaganda-ish...but I'm sure had I kept watching...it would only have been a matter of time.
that they are starting to realize that they cannot criticize EVERYTHING Obama does without looking like the partisian hacks they are. They are learning...which has me a little frightened. It was much easier when it was cut and dried that they always sucked.
One data point does not mean that they're learning.
Any day on which Glenn Beck is happy, I'm happy. I have a close relative with several mental problems, very serious ones, that I spent the holiday with. My relative makes so much more sense than Glenn that I would like to approach Fox to see if he can get his own show and do his own rantings nationwide. He could use the money.
never met a country he wouldn't love to bomb.
so he could bomb em all at one time.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
why his ugly, violent, warmongering mug is on television. He was not confirmed. His was a recess appointment. He is not legitimate. WTF is he on our tube for virtually every fucking weekend?
And spent 8 years at recess while his buddies vandalized the classroom.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
Yep, they say all that so when Obama tells the Military "do what you got to do" then they can take the credit and say "see? Obama listened to us and he did exactly what we were telling him to do"
What is sad is that they are the pantywaists.
Rush told the truth when he said he wanted Obama to fail. His amendment of his anti-American comment was a bullshit ass covering lie. Conservatives will root for OBL to succeed over Obama.
Watch the trolls come...they're mad as Hell that Obama didn't fuck up.
[We're headed toward a less sweary way of expression here. That was one of the words that came up in the discussion-Sitemonitor]
They'll go on TV and shriek that the pirates have been emboldened by Obama's hardcore communism, Islamofanaticism and hatred of America and that no pirate attack would have taken place had they known a "real American" was in the White House. Facts, context, reality mean nothing to these animals. They might as well just bring on an exorcist to lay hands on a model White House to purge the satanic agents from the office. The wingnut talk shows have devolved into foaming festivals of delusional rage.
looked weak because they couldn't kill the pirates then soon as they killed them they were on there saying how it was bound to increase the violence because they killed them.
The stupid morons got what they wanted and they're still whineing.Give them enought rope and watch what happens
the mustache hair is uncontrollable just like he attack dogs on the right...
Their carpeting doesn't match the drapes.
Last time I checked 'pantywaist' is a term used to bash gays, akin to calling someone a 'f****ot' or 'homo'. Within Republican slams of Obama, the right reveals their multiple layers of bigotry
and probably before that.
Dictionary.com says 1925-1930.
Gays are often bashed by having their masculinity questioned, but not every insult questioining masculinity is gay bashing.
But it's older than that.
*
pantywaist2
pant·y·waist [pántee wàyst]
n
1. a taboo term for a man that deliberately insults his courage and masculinity (slang taboo)
Microsoft® Encarta® Reference Library 2003. © 1993-2002 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
"If the US government enforced its banking laws like it did its park regulations, we wouldn't be
in this damn park in the first place." OCCUPY.!!
were whineing because they couldn't kill them looked and acted gay to me.
anyway feeding into this cult of Fox is what keeps them going. It's counter productive at this point.
if we didn't play games with Fox News every single moment of our existence.
Something far more productive no doubt unless poverty of the imagination has completely taken over.
their discussions of this type of event with soup recipes.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
mighty jealous aren't they?
did you get the newt ginrich one, where he said the admin had "no will" to act?
i heard ed shultz play it earlier... i think it was from sunday a.m.
MSNBC NEEDS TO TEAM UP WITH MEDIA MATTERS OR C&L AND EXPOSE ALL THIS NUTTINESS. THERE IS PLENTY OF REPUBLICAN AND FOX BS EVERYDAY TO FILL AN HOUR LONG SHOW.
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should be admonished for whispering?
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
... please.
hurt my cyber ears.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
I can't hear myself not thinkin!
if I told that we could hear you not thinking?
:)
Why pantywaist, was diaperwaist already taken?
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Senator from Loozianna.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
The Captain of the ship and to the marksmen.
Yes, President Obama deserves credit for having the stones to give the go ahead. That's true. But the real credit belongs to the marksmen.
I understand that if this had gone bad. The GOPers would be all over the President for screwing up. But that didn't happen. He did prove that he is capable of making the call. So Kudo's to him for that.
But the real credit belongs on that ship.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
So we were towing the hijackers, who have yet to kill any hostages they capture, and we celebrate the killing of 3 of them as successful? Worse, we pretty much say the right wingers and their reactionary stances are right and Obama can definitely do them too!! yay!
I definitely have mixed feelings on this. If the `pirates` were actually killing hostages - ever - then it would sit a lot better with me.
That they would have killed him. They were coming down from their Kaht buzz. When the realized that they were going to go nowhere. And that all was lost. They would have killed him. They had nothing to lose.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
Do you purpose waiting for a death of an innocent man to act?
which is completely outrageous to me. Outrageous and obscene.
You are right, these poor little guys, all they did was invading a boat with machine guns, terrorizing the entire innocent crew, and threatening to kill everyone if their demands are not met and then holding the captain's life in a lifeboat under constant threat of killing him and throwing his body in the water so his wife, kids, parents, family and friends would never see him again. Bad, bad Seals!!!
Got any more moronic things to say?
Yup... They have yet to kill any hostages they've come across...
That's pretty moronic of me to say eh?
Or how about the only hostages that have been killed have been when special forces go in to rescue them. I'm just saying there didn't seem to be life and death...
In fact they offered to let him go if we had let the hijackers go... But we decided to give them the death penalty.
Like I said, I have mixed feelings about it - get over it
Anymore than it is to criticize or cheer the President of the US for doing his job.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
I see where you're coming from.
I have mixed feelings too.
But this all comes down to one word.
Hostage.
That was their choice.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
on a similar thread.
"Do you think that talking to these pirates is gonna stop them?
I don't.
I could be wrong, but I don't think they are the negotiating types...unless it's for ransom...
I'm all for peaceful solutions for a given situation.
But...
Sometimes, ya just gotta shoot a motherfucker."
Why don't you do us all a favor and take a boat ride around the Somalia's coast before spilling all your garbage? The moment you take someone hostage you should be expecting a sniper bullet. You are saying this garbage because you were never in this situation. God have mercy on your dumb soul.
Yes, I'm not in the situation so therefore I can think about it a little more levelheaded...
You seem to be a reactionary fool, guy... have fun with that.
Why would we pass up a chance to resolve this peacefully when they offered to hand the captain over as long as they didn't get arrested? It's not like we're going to stop piracy by arresting these 4 guys.
I have never said this to anyone here or any other blog, but YOU ARE A DOUCHE. I can't debate with idiots, it's like debating with neocons.
Thanks... that's productive. Unfortunately, there are a lot of people like you... quite ordinary in how you respond and quite vicious when you can't comprehend someone else's thoughts. I simply stated I had mixed feelings about it - We could go into why, but I think you probably just want to tear down anyone who disagrees rather than anything else at this point.
Actually chaking doesn't appear to be an idiot at all. He's asking very valid questions. You on the other hand do look a tad foolish with the comment above. Why don't you try to answer his question of "just what is the advantage of shooting these guys over letting them go back to their families as long as they release the hostage?" Keep in mind when forming your reply that there WILL be blowback from the decisiopn to take the guys out.
The fact that these pirates had not killed anyone on that particular boat does not mean that there was no risk that they would kill hostages. The decision to fire is intended to eliminate that risk.
The US government and its military are supposed to protect US civilians. Eliminating a clear and present risk to the life of a US civilian held hostage by pirates is justified.
The pirates haven't killed any hostages at all... not just on that ship...that's what I read anyway.
They could have taken the absolute most safe way if their goal is to really only protect the hostage, and that would have been to agree to the deal and let the pirates go while retrieving the captain. Shooting three hostages less than 3 feet away from the captain is NOT the safest way. I'm glad he didn't get hurt, but it in now way is the safest way to resolve the situation.
but I thought that one of the pirates was already released for exchange and the pirates didn't release the captain. Please clear this up for me. If that is the case, your argument is moot.
I'm not trying to argue with anyone, I would rather discuss what the best course of action really is/was. I don't know, I'm throwing my thoughts out there.
I believe you're referring to before our warships were there and scaring the crap out of the `pirates`. Once the warships got there I read a reuters report that stated the local elders (on land) were negotiating with the military and they offered to give up the hostage as long as we didn't arrest the pirates.
To me, catching the pirates is not going to do anything. The business is too lucrative right now. Therefore taking the safest route out would have been letting the pirates go back and not arresting them. If that meant the safety of the captain, then do it.
As it were, it kind of seems like we were trying to make a statement, and sometimes that can be dangerous.
wouldn't this provide other pirates with incentive not to kill.
That's a death penalty argument. You can find pros and cons to that argument everywhere - It's not going to be answered in blog comments.
And the immediate response is bad... they're saying they're going to kill any americans they come across now. That's probably just talk because the French and a couple other countries have done the same thing, but that's what they're saying anyway
I meant good point: no killing of hostages and letting the pirates goes will send the message, "If there is no killing of hostages you can expect fair and decent treatment". Hence providing privates an incentive not to kill.
This would be a good message if the protection of lives was the main concern.
Oh yeah, sorry... I think you're right, but you never know I suppose
Speaking of "spilling garbage" isn't that what started the whole "pirates" thing. Foreign ships dumping garbage off their coast?
...of intelligence. Those armed robbers were just kidding, right?
You are disappointed the captain is now safe and sound.
Wow- way to be a republican!!!!
I said I have mixed feelings about it and a bunch of morons attack!! good job guys!
generates "mixed feelings" in your feeble mind. Which is basically what I stated before. Of course that was sans your hyperbolic crappola exercise.
What is there to be "mixed" about regarding this situation?
Lots of things to be mixed about...
3 people dying. You want to just look at everyone as bad or good apparently, but I think they probably had reasons for doing what they're doing... they obviously didn't want to kill anyone as has been shown by countless hijackings yet to result in any murders. The only time hostages get killed is when the military interdicts. Plus I hate the death penalty, and since they had offered to give the captain up and go away, then I think that would have been the best option.
I doubt it's my mind that's being the feeble one here... but feel free to trash me because that must make it right
That these guys were just peons in the scheme of things there. That's sad that they got duped into doing a Hijacking on the high seas.
But no one forced them to take that ship or hold any hostages.
There are better ways to get your point across.
Holding someone at gun point is not one of them.
As I said up thread. I have mixed feeling too.
But, as I said, one word. Hostage.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
"Did we expect starving Somalians to stand passively on their beaches, paddling in our toxic waste, and watch us snatch their fish to eat in restaurants in London and Paris and Rome?" Johann Hari (The Independent) asked. "We won't act on those crimes -- the only sane solution to this problem -- but when some of the fishermen responded by disrupting the transit-corridor for 20 percent of the world's oil supply, we swiftly send in the gunboats."
What you write makes sense and may well be correct. I'm certainly willing to believe that the actions of other nations have damaged Somali fish resources.
However, that's not the fault of the Captain or of the Seals. Regardless of the possible legitimacy of your complaints, taking hostages is not justified. The US government and military have legal and moral obligations to use violence to end the risk that a hostage will be killed.
from Johann Hari of the Independent, not moi.
anyhoo, i agree: the captain, himself, is not responsible for all the woes of somalia, and the SEAL team was following orders to assasinate the "pirates".
although i don't believe the DoD frame of the story about the ship.
Not justified by who? This is not an argument the US can make.
They've made their own bed. Now they have to lie in it.
No one is forcing them to be pirates and to take hostages.
They can petition the UN for help.
But for some reason, I don't think they'll be willing to do that.
Protecting their coast is one thing.
Hijacking ships on the high seas is another.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
... it probably means you didn't have that much in the way of weight regarding your "mixed" feelings?
This was not a trial. This was a rescue. The time for "mixed" feelings was thrown out of the window when the innocent person in this story, the captain, was taken hostage.
The problem for you, it is that you came to this site fishing for people displaying sympathy for the captors. So then you could return back to which ever hell hole you came from, and show your buddies how us "treasonous" liberals care more about the well being of people terrorizing crews in high seas.
The lack of people biting must have put a dampen on your day. And thus the silly temper tantrum and crying. LOL.
WOW! I usually like what you have to say but this is a gross mischaracterization of what chaking is saying.
Are you certain you haven't been exposed to too much Beck lately?
Yeah, you're more than welcome to look at my comment history. I didn't just come here to trash anyone, I've been here for a long time (and before they switched to this commenting system I was commenting here too).
I don't understand why you're so offended, but I would hope this isn't normal
that concern trolling is not a new affliction for you.
Jesus H. tap dancing Christ on a pogo stick. 3/4 of your comments are about you complaining about being the "one odd out" in any thread any subject you infected. What a "coincidence" eh? LOL.
Funny, you went from defending Chambliss' racist GOP statements, to defend high seas pirates. LOL.
Concern trolls and comment patrols.
I am glad my momma got excommunicated or I might take offense at this off threead attack on religion.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
Seriously, I know you think you are kind of clever... but I think the world is still not ready for your brand of humor.
I think you are trying to copy ys's schtick, sans the same level of wittiness and education.
Yup tyler... I defended Chambliss hugging his daughter on tv against some overzealous posters accusing him of molesting her on tv lol... And I got hit by you? and many others (site monitors included... still don't understand that one). Anyway, back on topic, call me whatever you will, you add nothing substantive to these comments.
Is it true that 75% of your posts are about you complaining about you? I know 75% of Tyler's are about complaining.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
I was just looking at my old posts and I don't think that's true... you can check for yourself though
:)
The world's not ready for me anyway.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
you were saying how Bush wasn't a real conservative? Because early in your career you were so very "concerned" about the welfare and name of the conservative movement...
I mean, reading your post history... it seems that other than complain how you are being "prosecuted," 95% of you posts on this site have nothing, zero, zilch, nada to add to the overall level of discussion in whichever thread you come to pollute.
Obviously you come here fishing for nuggets, don't you?
Tyler, calm down buddy. You don't have to be so paranoid. I only comment when I disagree with something (for the most part) and so when you read only my comments you might think I only disagree and I'm only about starting crap. I'm just not a cheerleader, so I usually don't comment on 90 percent of the posts here that I actually agree on.
You are closed minded or very paranoid or a combination of both. I don't have to prove myself to you, my arguments stand up to your assaults very easily.
You don't actually argue my points, you argue what you THINK you know about the reasons I post... which is pathetic because you are so obviously wrong.
Most everything I've said, I'll still stand behind. There are a few things I regret saying based on being upset at the time, but I stand behind my comments. And if you can't tell from my comments, I'm more concerned with being accurate than pleasing people like you... which is why I will defend a conservative, not just progressives, if they're being attacked unjustly. Sorry you're so blind to all that
and I believe you are the one who stole Mudsharks Christ on the Pogo stick line.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
ever since I heard my grandpa use that line a good few decades ago.
What is this, concern troll appreciation day?
troll patrol annoyance day.
I appreciate hearing about your gramps though. But since Mudshark used it earlier in response to you I just might have drawn the
wrong inference.
Did I tell you my gramps had a chimp. Wore a diaper. Named him Whiskey. The chimp, not gramps. Wore the diaper.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
wrong inferences, stop you from lecturing other people on inferences.
As I said, you are trying really really really hard to copy YS's schtick. It just doesn't work out for you. Honestly, you lack the wit, the timing, the apropos factor, and the ever entertaining youtube references.
Just be yourself...
I will be sure to copy you in every way I can.
Especially about lecturing.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
I have a schtick up my ass.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Well, ideally there'd be no guns and war, but as a realist, I know that sometimes force is necessary. I'm not 100 % convinced Somali pirates have never killed a hostage. I don't think that makes me a right winger or a Republican. I won't call you a moron or naive, since you're entitled to your opinion. I'm sure that there have been instances when special forces come in and the hostage is killed. It's a hard call to make if you're a military commander. However, as far as I can tell, this is completely justified under international law and the laws of war.
Perhaps if they could have sent in opiate gas like the russians did in chechnia (wrong spelling) and put everybody to sleep and capture them that would have been better?
when the Russians got the dosage of the gas wrong.
No no.. From what I read (maybe reuters is bs?) they should have accepted the deal to not arrest the pirates and get the captain.
I agree that what we did is justified, but from what I read I think there might have been another better way to do it too.
I never said anyone was a right winger for thinking hostages have been killed, I said it in regards to not accepting an opinion other than their own.
Torn between giving the President credit or rooting for criminals?
I guess it's a matter of right wing perspective.
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
That from his comment?
Jumpin Jeeebuss on a pogo stick.
How the hell did you do that?
What is your conceptual, continuity?
yeah, that is exactly what he/she is saying
phhpt
... in other words.
Mon, 04/13/2009 - 12:51 — Tyler Durden
You are disappointed the captain is now safe and sound.
This is one of the stupidest things I've ever seen you post.
All he said was he had mixed feelings. WTF?
What is your conceptual, continuity?
or I will be forced to exercise my Ignore user button.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
Please do.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
just in falsetto.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
...they should have produced a manifesto with their grievances(toxic waste dumping, legal fishing, etc.) or at least attempt to. The Somalians history suggests that they were willing to kidnap and threaten to use deadly weapons...to get paid.
the trolls think we should have negotiated with the terrorists.
Tried to understand why they are motivated to committ these offenses, and then we can all have a group hug.
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
...a bank armed. I did not enjoy their deaths, but they should have understood the risks their jobs entailed. Feeling sympathy for such a stupid choice by these men will only encourage more attacks.
"the trolls think we should have negotiated with the terrorists."
We were negotiating with them buddy... You're batting average is getting dangerously low
We were negotiating with them buddy
Are you talking about Reagan with the Iranians?
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
obviously.
--ahh nevermind... I'm done
Not quite the same but a bit like shooting a man for stealing a loave of bread to feed his hungry family really. But taking the hostage was a bit foolish too. I think the worst of this is yet to come in the form of blowback.
Right... you have mixed feelings about this too it seems...
Watchout, they're attacking anyone who doesn't fall in line today.
I know. But what the hell. I'll be damned if I'll let the attackers silence healthy debate. There are good points on both sides here but it seems that the "shot 'em all" proponents are ignoring some of the background and the future.
...feelings when he was rescued from those harmless prankster, kidnapping armed robbers.
I'm sure he was very relieved.
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