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Last week, some Tea Partiers in Iowa put up the above billboard comparing President Obama to Hitler and Lenin. Apparently passing health-care reform is now the moral equivalent of mass genocide.

(Of course, anyone familiar with the immortal works of Jonah Goldberg and Glenn Beck knows exactly where they're getting this from.)

The next day, amid a national furor, the Tea Partiers abjectly retreated, papering over the billboard with a new one featuring a Founding Father. These guys do watch Glenn Beck a lot, don't they?

The Tea Partiers tried pretty much the same papering over this weekend when they announced they were giving Mark Williams and his Tea Party Express the boot for having revealed themselves as the rather unreconstituted racists they in fact are.

But it doesn't work that way. Because the Tea Party simply can't just paper over the movement's already clearly established record of condoning racism in its attacks on Obama -- not to mention its clear record of attracting and including and promoting not just racists but far-right extremists of all types, from tax nuts to religious nuts to gun nuts. A bunch of nuts all around, any way you cut it.

Judy Thomas has a terrific examination of this phenomenon in the Kansas City Star:

Billy Roper is a write-in candidate for governor of Arkansas and an unapologetic white nationalist.

“I don’t want non-whites in my country in any form or fashion or any status,” he says.

Roper also is a tea party member who says he has been gathering support for his cause by attending tea party rallies.

“We go to these tea parties all over the country,” Roper said. “We’re looking for the younger, potentially more radical people.”

As Thomas explains, the issue of racism within the Tea Party movement is actually a somewhat complex one:

Indeed, it’s difficult to answer the racism question because the tea party is split into hundreds of shards, and the issue of racism depends somewhat on perceptions.

Still, it’s clear that some with racist agendas are trying to make inroads into the party.

It doesn't help that Tea Parties have an, um, fairly limited definition of what constitutes racism:

For many tea partiers, racism is in the eye of the beholder.

Take Ron Wight, who stood with dozens of tea party activists at the J.C. Nichols Memorial Fountain in April, complaining about the Obama administration, its socialist agenda and being called a racist.

Those like him who complain about President Barack Obama are accused of racism, lamented the semi-retired music teacher from Lee’s Summit.

Then he added: “If I was a black man, I’d get down on my knees and thank God for slavery. Otherwise, I could be dying of AIDS now in Africa.”

Wight doesn’t consider that comment to be racist.

“I wish slavery had never happened,” he said. “But there are some black people alive today who have never suffered one day what the people who were black went through in the ’40s, ’50s and ’60s. Has somebody said something stupid or done something stupid? Yes, there have been incidents.

“But with everything that has been done in this country legally and socially for the black man, it’s almost like they’ve been given a great leg up.”

What's happening, of course, is that the Tea Parties are actually a manifestation of a larger mindset of which racism is only a subset: right-wing authoritarianism. We describe this in our book, Over the Cliff: How Obama's Election Drove the American Right Insane:

As it happened, however, there was data available strongly suggesting that there was indeed a powerful connection between opposition to health-care reform and voters with racist attitudes about Obama. Marc J. Hetherington and Jonathan D. Weiler described this data for the Washington Post:

As evidence of the link between health care and racial attitudes, we analyzed survey data gathered in late 2008. The survey asked people whether they favored a government run health insurance plan, a system like we have now, or something in between. It also asked four questions about how people feel about blacks.

Taken together the four items form a measure of what scholars call racial resentment. We find an extraordinarily strong correlation between racial resentment of blacks and opposition to health care reform.

Among whites with above average racial resentment, only 19 percent favored fundamental health care reforms and 57 percent favored the present system. Among those who have below average racial resentment, more than twice as many (45 percent) favored government run health care and less than half as many (25 percent) favored the status quo.

No such relationship between racial attitudes and opinions on health care existed in the mid-1990s during the Clinton effort.

It would be silly to assert that all, or even most, opposition to President Obama, including his plans for health care reform, is motivated by the color of his skin. But our research suggests that a key to understanding people's feelings about partisan politics runs far deeper than the mere pros and cons of actual policy proposals. It is also about a collision of worldviews.

This is correlative, of course; the data doesn't indicate a cause-effect relationship. Rather, as Hetherington and Weiler explained, both sets of attitudes – racial bigotry and opposition to health-care reform – arise out of a common right-wing authoritarian worldview. The people who hold racist attitudes almost always also hold the virulent anti-government attitudes that ultimately fuel their opposition to policies like health-care reform – but not everyone who hates the government is racist, either, and certainly not everyone opposed to health-care reform is racist either. But at the same time, you can bet your bottom dollar that someone who voted against Obama because he is a black man will also be violently opposed to health-care reform.

This is what people are talking about when they remark that "the Republican Party is the home of racists." They're not arguing that every conservative Republican is a racist; but practicing racists consistently self-identify as conservatives, and many are in fact Republicans (or sometimes even farther to the right). There are always exceptions, of course, but the known pattern is clear enough.

Right-wing populism is always fueled and populated by right-wing authoritarians -- people who believe that the nation/state needs strong rulers and that it's the duty of citizens to obey them assiduously. This why they suffer so much cognitive dissonance when the nation's top authority is a Democrat/liberal/socialist/Marxist/fascist -- and why their first impulse, in such situations, is to embark on a vicious campaign of delegitimization (see, e.g., Bill Clinton). It's why they basically go insane.

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Milquetoast's picture

subject: the "powerful connection between opposition to health-care reform and voters with racist attitudes about Obama."

("The survey asked people whether they favored a government run health insurance plan, a system like we have now, or something in between. It also asked four questions about how people feel about blacks")

...sounds like a survey with an agenda. (and the agenda is) "if you don't like congress healthcare plan then you are a racist"


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Blue Lensman's picture

Of course there was an agenda - the agenda was to determine whether Carter's statement was accurate or not, so they created a survey to find out.

"Former president Jimmy Carter caused a stir when he suggested that opposition to health care reform reflected negative racial attitudes."

Milquetoast's picture

...missed the Jimmy Carter part. T.Y.

(I hope you like healthcare!)


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Dalton's picture

...what exactly does your snarky comment; "I hope you like healthcare!" supposed to mean?

Are you saying you're against health care?

You approve of the ridiculous insurance premiums charged to average Americans?

Right now an average family of four pays between $12,000 and 18,000 a year for coverage...and that's a family with no preexisting conditions and in good health.

You need to read more and talk less.

Milquetoast's picture

...the healthcare programs sucks...(bad)

...and I don't like Obama either.

and I'm afraid everyone will think I'm a racist now.


audit-prosecute-incarcerate

you don't have to like your democratic representatives to agree with them.


"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-

Dalton's picture

...uneducated dolt does come to mind.

Try reading something relevant before posting tea bagger drivel.

Can O Whoopass's picture

these are yhe folks who allowed Bush to throw trillion in the air over 9/11 and Iraq yet whine they have no yobs, now!

You do appear to possess the sheer hopeless dogmatic ignorance of a racist.

Sorry, but reThuglicans cannot be saved by "gotcha" any more!

Republican corruption is methodic! Even encouraged.
They are off the rails and heading down the cliff.
do some reading. then get off that bus.


"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-

...if that's what you got out of the questions and statistics.

It's obvious via the results, that those who are more "resentful" of what they perceive as blacks getting a leg up, feel much more strongly that fundamental health care is not going to be in their best interests. This strongly indicates their fear of blacks being the ones who will benefit more so from such a program.

Your comment sounds more like what the tea baggers want Americans to believe than what is actually so...that somehow, with any government sponsored health care program...those who are not of color will be getting the short end of the stick.

The health care program Obama passed is good for everybody, especially those who cannot afford to pay for insurance...black or white.

Vincent441's picture

nobody should be given special treatment just because their skin color is brown

because their skin color is white??

this is why i hate liberals and conservatives

already clearly established record of condoning racism

This is pretty much impossible to forget, ever.
History has already been written for the Tea Party.

nation/state needs strong rulers strong rulers and that it's the duty of citizens to obey them assiduously. This why they suffer so much cognitive dissonance

Like lying about their position on "less government".
Everything they do screams "Less Democracy",
but certainly not less government.

Democracy is incompatible with republicans.

As we all can clearly see, day after day, after day.

In fact i think i already know what the secret ReThuglican agenda really is.
Do you??? I hope so, because they won't tell, not until 'after'.
The Republican agenda is so negative it cannot be spoken aloud.

HinT:they don't want good people to know what it is, so they use "dog whistles" to comunicate with their racist base.


"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-

Mari's picture

You'd better look to your own Dems for racism. Senator Byrd was buried with great fanfare and eulogies from all the top Dems including Obama. What a joke! The man was a dyed in the wool racist.

He was a KKK member and not just a member but a recruiter! He espoused his hatred for Black people even after he supposed left the KKK. (see Wikipedia for specific statements) Don't forget that in 1964 he filibustered the civil rights act. Where's Al Sharpton? Where's the Obama beer summit?

Can you say double standard?!

Senator Byrd admitted that racism was a mistake.
Senator Byrd admitted to a mistake.
Republicans lack the character to do the same.

That's a serious weekness.


"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-

Ivan Ivanovich Renko's picture

is clear in their inability to comprehend redemption.

Robert Byrd worked to achieve redemption for the rest of his life. He earned it.

The authoritarian right wing can only conceive of being saved by faith; never redeemed by works. They don't get it; they can't get it... and that is damned unfortunate for all of us.

You'd better look to your own Dems for racism. Senator Byrd was buried with great fanfare and eulogies from all the top Dems including Obama. What a joke! The man was a dyed in the wool racist.

No, he wasn't. We all know that wingnuts love to pretend that in all matters regarding race relations, time has stood still since 1964, but that simply isn't the case. Byrd did and said plenty of terrible, bigoted things in the early part of his political career, but he went on to publicly renounce his own racist past and devoted the later part of his life to the promotion of egalitarian causes and civil rights legislation.

Had Byrd remained a "dyed-in-the-wool" racists, he'd have followed in the footsteps of ardent segregationists and racists like Strom Thurmond, Lester Maddox, George Wallace and Jesse Helms, all of whom abandoned the Democratic party and subsequently aligned themselves with the Republicans or independent "states rights" parties. In more recent years, white supremacists like former KKK leader David Duke and Stormfront's Don Black have consistently aligned themselves with the Republican party.

Regardless of what you or anyone else thinks about Robert Byrd, the fact of the matter is that white supremacists don't vote for Democrats, and they haven't for a long time. How many Stormfront or Klan members do you think identify themselves as Democrats today? How many do you think voted for Barack Obama? If you have knowledge of even one such person, please let us know. Until then, you can take your phony "double standard" charge and shove it.

JHR1956's picture

that had a picture of John Boehner kissing Rush Limbaugh's ass with the caption 'Conservative Leaders prey on ignorant, dumbass, hicks'

JudyLou's picture

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weebles53's picture

but hickies on his ass kept him out of viet nam


the security this website has for registration is goofy.

savannah43's picture

lips now?

I'm sure he can join the Popular People's Front, or the The Popular Front, or...

savannah43's picture

A good place for them.

"I don’t want whites in my country in any form or fashion or any status."

*His* country? What he talking about?

weebles53's picture

by making things up.
you used quotes as if all native ppl got together and made a statement; that did not happen.


the security this website has for registration is goofy.

Debber's picture

are you the hall monitor??

Debber's picture

To quote: Billy Roper is a write-in candidate for governor of Arkansas and an unapologetic white nationalist.

“I don’t want non-whites in my country in any form or fashion or any status,” he says.

Yo' Billy!! How did this become YOUR country?! And where in the frickin' world do these asshats get the idea that this country started off and should stay white?! WTF?! The ignorance stinks!

I just don't understand why these people would compare Obama who they hate so much to a guy who so perfectly embodies their ideology. I mean, if he were alive today Hitler would be leading the Tea Party movement.

They have rejected
Rationality.
Pragmatism.
Compassion.

Republicanism can only exist in a world devoid of humanity.
Devoid of reasoning.


"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-

Can O Whoopass's picture

YEP.

And empathy, and social justice.

That's why I thought the underbanner about praying on the fearful and naive was projection taken as far as one can take it.

Shredder's picture

... on the fearful and naive."

That is some major projection there. Wow.

Ya. Hhahahahahahahah
Just look at that fearful, fear inducing poster, aimed at the naive.

They ran out of good arguements, bad arguements,
and so now they are rolling out the Orwellian.
People are just too damn smart these days to fall for republicanism,
race baiting, fear bating, and hate bating.

The Tea party is the most miserable group of old people ever.
They are even approaching youngsters, too young to understand what the Tea party is asking of them.


"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-

ghostcommander's picture

For years the radical extremist "pretend to be'"republicans have constantly spread lies and then repeat them over and over to brainwash people. They have had success with the mentally lazy and people who lack knowledge.

Where did they get this propaganda from? Hitler and Goebbels perfected the "Big Lie" which they repeated over and over to brainwash the German people.

Just enter, "Propaganda Techniques of German Fascism" into your search bar and see what those 7 techniques are.

Inform your fellow citizens of what is going on!

jurassicpork's picture

Did someone say "papering over"? Wasn't Hitler a paper hanger?

Firing Mark Williams for racism is an obvious attempt to reshuffle deck chairs on the Titanic. Even a lot of mainstream conservatives who would ordinarily be allied with the Tea Partyers are dismayed and repelled by the obvious strain of racism that's infested the movement from Day One.

Anyway, I wanted to thank anyone and everyone (especially Susie) who stopped by my place to help our Mrs. JP and me during our most recent and alarming difficulty. We're not out of the woods, yet, but we understand that many, many others are hurting and our heartfelt thanks especially go out to those who gave while smarting themselves.

AGold's picture

I just got back from a road trip vacation down to Florida. Amongst my favorite billboards I saw down there were "God is NOT a SOCIALIST" and "AMERICANS! Congress is coming for YOU! Vote out the liberals in 2010." I would have laughed if it wasn't so fucking stupid...

ian m's picture

Right. God's a fascist.

Everyone knows Jesus was a capitalist as well!

There is one just outside my town here that says something like "It's personal now! Vote out the liberals in 2010. "
Hmm, corporate money.
It's personal now? I guess that tells you who we are dealing with here.

It took me a long time to figure out the rotating cat optical illusion.

http://voillusions.blogspot.com/2010/07/spinn...

Is the cat spinning clockwise, or counter clockwise?

The reality is that it depends on how you initially perceive depth that isn’t really defined.

http://www.monkeyreview.co.uk/wp-content/uplo...

It’s like that with race and the tea-baggers. Some see a black man in the Oval Office and perceive race. Others see big gub’nit and bad taxes and perceive progressives. The reality is that they’re just angry. Something is spinning round and round that they can perceive, but they don’t really know which direction.

How about all that bounty that Bush and Cheney were going to deliver
to them tax free, at the expense of the vast middle class?

If i thought I was going to get away with the
crime of the century, along with all those other Republicans,
i would be dissapointed too.

But i guess that's just a start.
With the Tea Party Republicans, the hate runs deeper.


"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-

I think your insight on perspective is key. I think it goes much deeper though. Some people see regulations and see protection, some people see regulations and see time and money spent.
Many people worship money and the culture of wealth as a big part of the meaning of life.
Many people see....more to life than that.

FreeThought's picture

Well, it's the baggers of course! What's ironic is that their fearfulness and naivete is the reason they beleive they are being preyed upon.


Their homeworld was a place called Earth, located in an uninteresting part of the galaxy. They had an expression: pride goeth before a fall. Their pride was their undoing. I know. I was there....They did not listen, of course. Arrogant men never do.

The billboard is a textbook example of hypocrisy in action.

If Obama is anything like Lenin and Hitler I hope it's referring to their record of increasing employment, developing a modern infrastructure and creating a large manufacturing base where things are actually made in this country.

Evet's picture

That some people would actually put something like that up in this day and age.

Republicans haven't invested in any new thought for
over 60 years.


"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-

Evet's picture

doubted or questioned the Republicans ability to manipulate their own base.

Can O Whoopass's picture

These folks live in the Dark Ages of superstition, religious fervor and witch hunts.

Look at Palin's crackpotty preacher.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QG1vPYbRB7k&fe...

The Teabillies - so much hate, so little time.


"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."

They obviously have way too much hate to spread, to find time to
look at governance. Too much on the go, to follow legislation.


"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-

Mari's picture

Obama said that the individual mandate is not a tax. Now that his administration is fighting law suits in the courts, they're saying they have the right because it's a tax!!!!!

Also, Obama pledged and even signed an executive order that the Healthcare program wouldn't fund abortion. Guess what? He lied again. In New Mexico the fed health care plan states that elective abortions will be 80% covered. In PA you'll find the same thing, fereral funding for abortion.

Now you may be for or against abortion and for or against nationalized health care, but I'll bet your 100% against lying!

LeftandLeft's picture

Yesterday you brought your one day ass here(after everyone left of course) to apologize for that bigot Williams, now you're here today bitching with false grievances slamming a guy who has done more in 18 months than Bush and Cheney will do in their entire lives.

Mari's picture

I would think you'd at least try to defend Obama's lies. I guess you realize that there is no defense.

know? Huh? Cite some authority. Abortion is not covered. Show me an authority that says it is covered. You, BTW, are not an authority. "Because I said so..." is not good enough, so let us hear from someone who actually knows. I'll wait right here for you.

Debber's picture

where's that troll mari gone to? I'm surprised you didn't get a smack upside the head for what you just said... seems you were right on the money too because mari has left the building...

chervilant's picture

Whoever is paying mari to spew misinformation is not getting their money's worth, are they?

The Health and Human Services Department announced last week the program will not cover abortions except in cases of rape, incest or when the mother's life is in danger — exceptions traditionally allowed under federal law.

That's a more restrictive policy than will be generally applied under Obama's new health care law.

Starting in 2014, the overhaul will allow federally subsidized health insurance plans to cover abortions, but only if policyholders pay for coverage separately and the money is segregated from government funds.

Sooooooo, it sure looks the only liar here is the troll "Mari." Anybody surprised by that?

Glenn Beck puts disjointed ideas and unrelated events on his chalkboard to prove a point only he can understand. He’s not going from A->B->C. He’s going from 1 to elephant to Marx to poltergeist to Obama. Don’t try to follow the sequence, it will only confuse. Don’t believe the conclusion, it makes no more sense than the sequence.

Think.

ysbaddaden's picture
)O(

Diabolus est Deus Inversus

Mari, Want me to start in with some lyin cheatin republicans? The tit for tat could go on forever.

Bottom line for me is the culture of fear,preemptive war,supporting torture, worshiping the rich and demeaning the poor, to name a few, is not my values or morals and I wouldn't vote for one of todays Republicans for all our debt to China.

savannah43's picture

The tax thing is lawyer reasoning and talk. Try facts. They are much easier to defend.

Mari's picture

You can't insist that the individual mandate is not a tax and then say well... yes it is but it's just a little lie. As for the abortion thing as you call it. Yes it is true. Check the PA website for signing up for new healthcare benefits. Also check the NM site.

Do you think legalese is an excuse to lie?

Oh, just face it - I grew up surrounded by these idiots (and left town as soon as possible.) You can argue until you are blue in the face and they will never admit that you are right and have the better, logical argument. They are ignorant, racist, xenophobic (look it up, Mari) small town bigots. They think they are the salt of the earth - instead they are the scourge of thought. They like who they are and where they live and that would be just fine, except they support the Kyls, Bushes, and DeMints of this world and keep the country in the dark ages.

Mari's picture

You're not right your brainwashed. No facts just name calling. How sadly typical. You call me a bigot because I think Obama is an empty suit who couldn't manage his way ou of a wet paper bag and can't speak unless he has a teleprompter. Why is Obama the only Pres. to have his college and law school records sealed.

savannah43's picture

Try the Fox blog. You'll be welcomed with open arms there, Mari.

that you are a teabagger. Don't you know that you people named yourselves "teabaggers?" Don't complain now when we call you what you named yourselves. Duh!! It does suit the bunch of you, though.

This is what people are talking about when they remark that "the Republican Party is the home of racists." They're not arguing that every conservative Republican is a racist; but practicing racists consistently self-identify as conservatives, and many are in fact Republicans (or sometimes even farther to the right). There are always exceptions, of course, but the known pattern is clear enough.

I know from experience that, unfortunately, this last part is true. My grandmother was a life-long, card carrying Democrat, and a government employee for forty years. She was also a bigot. She would use racial slurs about Jews (I'm half Jewish), then claim "it's just an expression." On one occasion, I completely lost it with her, and flat-out called her a racist. She was offended, and claimed she couldn't be a racist because we "had a black nanny." That she would consider our regular babysitter a "nanny" because she was black speaks volumes.

Mari's picture

It's like the communist scare when the gov't thought there was a communist under ever tree. You all think there's a racistin every conservative home. For your information my entire family voted dem for years. Some still do but I have recovered from that insanity thank God.

do, Mari. You go now, as you add nothing to the progression of the debate on the problems facing this country. All you want is to insult the people here. And you suck at it. Bye, now.

mudshark's picture

She's entitled to her opinion.
I'd like to ask Mari a question, if I may.
Mari, I take it you're anti choice/anti abortion. Am I correct on that?
I take it you're anti stimulus and anti tax. Correct?
I take it, you feel that social spending is not for you,or, to put it another way, You disagree with it. Correct?
If I'm wrong on these points please let me know.
Now, Are you pro contraception?
The point I'm getting at is this, You appear to be against abortion. Yet you also appear to be against helping young mothers with newborns. ie,social spending from tax revenue.
All for saving the fetus, and forget the baby Mari?
Which one is it?


What is your conceptual, continuity?

Mari's picture

you should have stopped after 'think' which you don't. You want to be agreed with so you'll feel safe in your narrow little world. Read, educate yourself, study history and you'll have a better understanding of what is going on. We still may not agree but at least you'll have some facts.

savannah43's picture

That's all you've got. You make some big assumptions, Mari. I'm still waiting for your cites about the abortion issue you pretend to be real. Tick, tock, Mari.

mudshark's picture

I suspect Mari is sitting there staring at the screen wondering how to respond.
I won't hold my breath.


What is your conceptual, continuity?

savannah43's picture

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Debber's picture

where are your answers?? Muddy asked you some questions... don't you know what you think about them? Or do you just not think about things before you go off making crazy claims about other posters and running your talking points as if you've been brainwashed?

JohnnyBravo's picture

Silence, troll.


NOBODY 2012

mudshark's picture

During the previous administrations economic packages, the cost of these wars were never factored in. Bush left them out.
Now that Obama has taken the cost of these wars into account, and added that cost into his economic package, we're seeing the real cost of these wars. The GOp weren't fiscally responsible when they had the leadership. When they ran the show. Now, they try to lay the blame for this mess at Obama's feet? Because he's actually being fiscally responsible? Tell me, how does that work?


What is your conceptual, continuity?

needdemsinohio's picture

My family just visited Washington DC for our vacation this year. While there we took a tour of the Holocaust Museum, which was one of the most moving things I have ever experienced.

Anyone who compares Obama to Hitler should take a tour of the museum and honestly tell me they really believe their words. I am sick and tired of the Hitler references when the right speaks of Obama. It is the easy fear card to play, is just intellectually dishonest for anyone to say that Obama compares to Hitler, and is a slap in the face of the survivors of the Holocaust.

oneinamillionfreedomfighter's picture

This is just more propaganda for you idiots to get fired up about. Before choosing any one side, blaming any one politician for your lack of work, and all the racist comments on the news from all political parties involved, take a look at yourself. We as Americans have made this political nightmare. This wasteland of deceit. The problems of today rest on the shoulders of all of us. "We need the government to think for us. Why wont the government help us?" We need to be corralled like a bunch of cows, because we cannot think for ourselves. If you think I am wrong, think on this, Could you stand up in your neck of the woods and try to make a difference? Could you actually bring yourself to step away from the computer, and state what you would in some blog in front a large press conference. Or is it easier to let someone else do it for you.
We have elected these people to office to speak for us because we are to lazy to do it ourselves and let our real voices be heard.
So before blaming any political party, president, individual, look in the mirror and ask yourself one thing "What could I have done to prevent this situation?" We are all guilty.

savannah43's picture

Another one who presumes to know what everyone here does and does not do. So how long have you had the ability to see into strangers lives and motivations?

BTW: If you want to change people's opinions and beliefs, criticizing them probably is not the way to begin.

oneinamillionfreedomfighter's picture

but do people actually get out and vote. do they actually research the people they vote for? Admit it, most Americans can tell you more about their favorite sports team than the elected official they voted for last election. Most cannot see the forest through the trees

Government serves a purpose. No one that I know thinks government’s purpose is to think for anybody.

Government does collect and spend taxes. What is usually at issue is how much is collected and from who – and how it gets spent. The spending, in the form of establishing Justice, insuring domestic tranquility, providing for the common defense, and promoting general welfare is how government helps.

I would certainly entertain your specific ideas/complaints regarding our tax codes. I would enjoy hearing how you think government can better help. There are many threads about representation, spending, taxation, defense, etc. Though it’s not my place to do so, I invite you to contribute.

While I too think there are many idiots, I would hesitate painting with such a large stroke; many are not. If you wish to convince, calling everyone an idiot is a bad way to start. Furthermore, all of us can do more. Some do nothing. Others do all they can to help.

"The Tea Partiers can't just paper over their innate nuttiness"

and neither can you

Debber's picture

that's very clever... you, mari, and oneinamillionfr... seem to have been tasked with trolling non-republican(t) sites by your handlers, bringing your smarmy 'logic' and teh stoopid to bear on thinking people. Go away now... back to the land of Fox!

JohnnyBravo's picture

Ooh, nice comeback XD


NOBODY 2012

scooter's picture

I'm sorry, but I hate these people. I try to find it in my heart to forgive them, but I cannot. Their stupidity knows no bounds nor depths. I try to be tolerant of everybody's views, but it's hard to tolerate outright wilfull ignorance. They CHOOSE to be dumb and racist. Screw 'em.

JohnnyBravo's picture

in the fact that these idiots are in the minority.


NOBODY 2012

Exactly why I left town. But now it's not possible to get away from them and I'm tired of these narrow minded xenophobes imposing their ignorance on the country.

JohnnyBravo's picture

Well I'm back and very well rested. Vegas was awesome. I recommend it to all of you, whether you been there or never have. Let's get into it, shall we?

"Radical leaders prey on the fearful & naive."

One word: Projection. The teabaggers are out of ideas. These are simply angry old white people who don't like the fact that there is a biracial man in the White House. In the words of Bill Maher, it's our job to drag these idiots into the 21st Century. Boy, they are kicking and screaming all the way. It's music to my ears.

Damn it's great to be back. I wonder if I can buy a billboard in red states comparing Reagan and the Bushes to serial killers?


NOBODY 2012

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