Yeah, Peggy Noonan, Bush sure kept us safe. Uh-huh.
By David Neiwert Friday Dec 05, 2008 12:00pmPeggy Noonan thinks we'll all be looking back fondly on the Bush years if we suffer terrorist attacks in the coming years:
Why does Congress prepare such reports? To inform, and to win support for new plans. To show they are doing something. And to be able to say, in the event of calamity—forgive my cynicism—that they warned us. This hasn't been the first such report. It won't be the last. But it comes at a key moment for Mr. Obama, because it gives him a certain amount of cover to be serious about what needs to be done. What's at stake for him is two words. When Republicans say, in coming years, "At least Bush kept us safe," Democrats will not want tacked onto the end of that sentence, "unlike Obama."
Yeah, Bush sure kept us safe:
Afterward, of course, then-National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice told the press: "I don't think anybody could have predicted that these people would take an airplane and slam it into the World Trade Center, take another one and slam it into the Pentagon; that they would try to use an airplane as a missile, a hijacked airplane as a missile." (As a matter of fact, just such a scenario had been foreseen by intelligence officials in 1998, as Rice later admitted.)
Then there was the Aug. 6, 2001, presidential daily briefing titled "Bin Laden determined to strike in US," which concluded:
We have not been able to corroborate some of the more sensational threat reporting, such as that from a ---- service in 1998 saying that Bin Laden wanted to hijack a U.S. aircraft to gain the release of "Blind Sheikh" Omar Abdel Rahman and other U.S.-held extremists.
Nevertheless, FBI information since that time indicates patterns of suspicious activity in this country consistent with preparations for hijackings or other types of attacks, including recent surveillance of federal buildings in New York.
The FBI is conducting approximately 70 full-field investigations throughout the U.S. that it considers bin Laden-related. CIA and the FBI are investigating a call to our embassy in the UAE in May saying that a group or bin Laden supporters was in the U.S. planning attacks with explosives.
We also remember that New York Times report, summed up by Eric Alterman:
Tenet briefed Condi Rice about a potentially catastrophic terrorist attack on the United States on July 10, 2001. Rice ignored the briefing, just as she and Bush both ignored the August 6 "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in US" memo, when Bush told the CIA briefer who delivered the memo to him that he had "covered his ass" and then went fishing for the rest of the day. Rice not only ignored the briefing, but also misled the 9-11 Commission and then lied when confronted with the evidence by Bob Woodward.
Rice and the Bush administration also went to great measures to cover up their own incompetence, too.
Then there was the Hart-Rudman Commission report, which warned the White House in May 2001 that it needed to take serious steps to prevent a terrorist attack. The report was ignored.
So was Richard Clarke's memo of January 2001 warning of the terrorist threat.
All this is consistent with what Clarke and other insiders reported about the Bush White House's pre-9/11 approach to terrorism: They viewed it as a "Clinton thing," and thus dismissed it as a minor concern for largely ideological reasons.
That's borne out by the Bush White House's pre-9/11 actions on a pure policy level:
The Bush Administration actually reversed the Clinton Administration's strong emphasis on counterterrorism and counterintelligence. Attorney General John Ashcroft not only moved aggressively to reduce DoJ's anti-terrorist budget but also shift DoJ's mission in spirit to emphasize its role as a domestic police force and anti-drug force. These changes in mission were just as critical as the budget changes, with Ashcroft, in effect, guiding the day to day decisions made by field officers and agents. And all of this while the Administration was receiving repeated warnings about potential terrorist attacks.
Bush may have done everything right and the 9/11 terrorists might still have succeeded -- though taking some concrete steps (particularly heightening awareness and security at airports, given the specific nature of the warnings) would have increased our chances of catching them.
What was never excusable was that Bush and Co. were asleep at the wheel on 9/11 regarding their duty to "keep us safe" -- and no amount of historical revisionism by wistful dolphin ladies will erase that fact.
Nor is the fact that Bush's "war on terror" has certifiably made us less safe, and more likely to suffer future terrorist attacks, as that 2006 National Intelligence Estimate made clear:
A stark assessment of terrorism trends by American intelligence agencies has found that the American invasion and occupation of Iraq has helped spawn a new generation of Islamic radicalism and that the overall terrorist threat has grown since the Sept. 11 attacks.
The classified National Intelligence Estimate attributes a more direct role to the Iraq war in fueling radicalism than that presented either in recent White House documents or in a report released Wednesday by the House Intelligence Committee, according to several officials in Washington involved in preparing the assessment or who have read the final document.
The intelligence estimate, completed in April, is the first formal appraisal of global terrorism by United States intelligence agencies since the Iraq war began, and represents a consensus view of the 16 disparate spy services inside government. Titled “Trends in Global Terrorism: Implications for the United States,’’ it asserts that Islamic radicalism, rather than being in retreat, has metastasized and spread across the globe.
In other words, Bush botched the job of keeping us safe, both during his tenure and for the foreseeable future. But if we suffer another terrorist attack as a result of that botch, well, it'll be Obama's fault.
Neat trick.
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their police depts...
so fucking what if there hasnt been a terror attack on our shores since 9/11....we have watched the total collapse of our country...
so sick of this talking point
David Neiwert is Osama Ben Laden's second-cousin, gay roommate's Nicaraguan houseboy's landscaper's hairdressing teacher into the singing of Yoko Ono.
Not really, just wanted to beat the trolls that bash the guy.
Hee hee.
On the subject of 9/11: I don't think anything close to real accountability has come about on 9/11, and there are many unanswered questions about it that deserve answering.
But they are serious questions. Diverting our attention from them with claims that the 9/11 towers were bombed from the inside or that the plane really didn't crash into the Pentagon isn't just silly, it hurts the effort to ask those questions.
Answering the questions raised simply about what we know now about the Bush administration's malfeasance on terrorism will entail digging up evidence that hasn't been dug up yet. I'm not going to guess ahead of time where the evidence will lead us, but I strongly believe we need to start at least digging.
In the meantime, I refuse to indulge in wild, inflammatory accusations based on afactual conjecture. What we know as a matter of record now is bad enough.
Have you read John Dean's Worse Than Watergate?
He showed how booshco first blocked the investigation, then the 9-11 commission, than stacked the commission with his own people to limit any talk of mishandled evidence afterwards to justify attacking Iraq.
Dean also showed how boosh didn't follow the AUMF.
Oh,
so it's now "silly" to determine who really, or exactly how the attacks were pulled off?
nice way to absolve yourself of any responsibility.
That's called taking the easy way out.
Why Nine Eleven still matters:
http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/2006/05/...
If this isn't addressed, it can be used against us, or another nation in the future.
... do you not realize that security at the cost of freedom leaves you with neither?
Bush didn't keep us "safe." Instead, he trampled on our constitutional liberties.
Where to even begin with people like this? They're hopeless.
David, Perhaps you have not kept up with the latest information to be brought to light,nothing wild or inflammatory, just cold facts. The fbi states Barbara Olsens phone call to her husband did not take place. The BBC and CNN both broadcast the fall of WTC#7 thirty-two mins before it fell. The Dubs little brother was involved in the company that ran security for United airlines,Dulles airport and the WTC complex itself. Metal and dust samples have been analyzed by pros,thermite traces and fingerprints of thermite have been found. It might well take a full day of questions and answers to cover all the clues,hard facts as well as some reasoned speculation to everything, but their are two things I do know, #1, the whitehouse has done everything in its power to stop any questioning about 911. In fact the piece by the old and trusted Popular mech was researched and produced by none other than the cousin of Michael Chertoff.#2,They will keep using a tool that works,no matter what. If a good investigation had been done into the crimes and cover-ups of bushs dad,none of these criminal sons of bitches would ever have held office. So I think it's past time for you to indulge, before it's your or my family that is murdered for the quest for money and power. CEO,citizens eyes,open(wide)
The sworn affidavit referenced in ELLEN MARIANI, Individually, as Personal Representative of the Estate of LOUIS NEIL MARIANI, deceased, and others similarly situated[1], Plaintiff, vs.
Case No. 03-5273
GEORGE W. BUSH[2], President of the United States, Officially and)Individually,
"51. Plaintiff's basis for alleging Defendants had prior knowledge "terrorists" could highjack commercial aircraft and attack the United States is not only due to Defendant GWB's continued withholding of facts and public records necessary for the "911 Commission" to perform its public duty, but, supported by the sworn affidavit of Timothy Stuart McNiven, former United States Army participant in a 1975 Congressional funded military study which purpose was to "identify security lapses and submit corrective actions" to Congress. (See Exhibit "B")"
Found at http://www.nancho.net/911/mariani.html referencing a secret study commissioned by the DoD in 1975 to study the consequences of hijacked commercial aircraft into the WTC towers... They've known all along!
Noonan . . . Noonan . . . miss it.
Works for Wall Street Journal. Nuff said.
well played, suh!
They keep recycling old pundits and talking points. Newt, Noonan, Delay, etc.
I don't remember Noonan having anything to say about Bush during his whole presidency and from just before the elections until now -- when a Democrat will be sworn in as President in January -- they keep un-mothballing these mouthpieces. Sheesh.
We know all the talking points already.
The Bushies like to cite The Cole Incident as an attack during Clinton's Administration. Using that logic, don't we have to count Mumbai as Bush NOT keeping Americans safe?
that is the message the wingnuts are sending
Lets not police the world
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NCMUEWl4vk
What the heck are we doing in Iraq again?
Peggy is a loon if she thinks that this guy kept us safe. Bush did NOTHING to stop the 9/11 attacks and then blamed Clinton for them, class guy for passing the buck.
When Rice said that statement about who could have thought that people would fly planes into a building, I thought of three times in less than 5 min, it had already happened in New york in 1945(?) to the Empire state building, an accident but still, then there was the PLO plot to crash an plane into the Knesset that was widely reported, and lastly kamikazie, it doesn't take a large leap to go from ships to buildings.
Keeping us safe lets review:
Anthrax
Katrina
Iraq war
economy in toilet
civil rights
All the others that I missed
This guy was lazy and stupid a dangerous mix anywhere but in the oval office it is a recipe for a lot of dead people.
Agree with all the FACTS here but also we need to understand Nooners motivation...She wants the first invite to chimpy's new pig ranch in dallas.. She'll bring the dip - chimpy will supply the pig rinds for dippin...
This group of people (Add in Rove's latest chimpy legacy project) will try the best they can to RE-WRITE completely the last eight - ten years since none of the FACTS fit what their interpretation of reality is...delusion / pre-packaged lunacy does meet the definition of what their reality is...
Some guy tried to fly a Cessna into the White House during the Clinton years.
Of course, it doesn't count as terrorism if the perpetrator's a white American, right?
...remove your tongue out from his ass. Another day, another MSM whore whose been wrong on everything yet somehow believing that her opinion is still sought.
And only Crazy Sarah has a more annoying, whinny voice.
I can totally see the Cons blaming Obama and saying "at least Bush kept us safe" if we are hit by a terrorist attack. They do have no morals. However, they (intentionally) forgot that 9/11 and the anthrax attacks happened on Dubya's watch. And he's made the Middle East more of a terrorist hotbed than it was beforehand.
Bush kept America safe from another terrorist attack since. But what she is not mentioning is the cost:
$53 trillion dollars. This guy hurt America more than the Civil War, WWII, Korea, Vietnam and 9/11 together. But his minions keep thinking of him as a hero. A library? Gives the fucker a Barnes & Noble store to keep him busy.
You ever see the episode of The Simpsons in which Lisa, trying to prove a point about specious thinking, tells Homer that she has an anti-tiger rock and to prove her point she observes that there were, with her rock in hand, no tigers to be found in their vicinity. Homer offers to buy her rock.
Homer got his rocks off?
speaking of the Simpsons, have you seen this? it pre-dates the attacks.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_n43648E_K9c/STHmFbv...
This predates the attacks too.
There was an episode of the Simpson's in New York, where your picture may've came from, when Homer had to pick up his car illegally parked. He ends up drinking too much crab juice and has to run up to the top of the World Trade Tower building one, and discovers the bathrooms out of order. Then he has to run all the way back down to the ground floor, run over to Tower two, then run up that, and when he finally takes that needful whizz, looks out the window, and a traffic cop is putting yet another ticket on his car for failure to wait by it.
http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/7333/...
At the end of this PP episode their agent goes beserk and blows up the Mad Magazine building.
So are you suggesting the towers collapse was due to Bart dropping a cherry-bomb in the toilets?
Lol, I don't know about cherry bombs. Do they come in thermate flavors?
might I suggest this as a follow-up. I won't make any conclusions out of it, but it sure makes those with open minds go Hmmmmm.
enjoy.
http://www.imagining911.blogspot.com/
i completely agree with your lamentation over the cost of the 'war on frontal assaults', or, i mean, 'war on terror'
but, the notion that bush kept us safe from anything is quite a big leap.
bush hasn't kept us safe.
bush has made us less safe.
the thought that bush has done anything to keep us safe is a non-starter, and an incorrect read.
really, the cost that you mention has been a downpayment on our next terrorist attack.
You guys are going to hate me for this, but it wasn't George Bush's fault those planes flew into the WTC. It just wasn't. It was the fault of the criminals who hijacked the plane. It was a bunch of Saudi criminals who hate us who did it.
Is GW an incompetent idiot? Yes. But that doesn't change the fact that he isn't responsible for this criminal act. Could he have done more to protect us? Sure. But the bottom line is that we were attacked in a very ingenious way by people who hate us. They deserve the blame. If we get attacked while Obama is president, I'm not going to blame him either. That's like kicking the dog because the fox ate the chickens. It doesn't make sense.
Whatever.
the people who were claimed to fly those planes you mention were incompetent idiots who couldn't fly propeller planes.
and you think they can fly jumbo jet liners and perform feats of acrobatics that even experienced fighter pilots would have had difficulty in performing?
drones with a homeing device fit the bill more@
The verdict is in. W is responsible for not only the "attack", but also the war. Now that I think of it, there wouldn't have been a war if it hadn't been for the attack.
I don't hate you for having an opinion and backing it up with your thoughts on the matter.
Wrapping up your post with a "Whatever" was a little annoying, though. You can't always assume people are going to automatically dismiss you.
was that a dismissal?
if so, good
And joe brought it upon himself.
the root causes of terrorism and just how and why terrorist groups are able to recruit, inspire and conduct their operations.
why do so many people hate us?
For our freedumb
We can choose between Coke and Pepsi
And between Babyface and Bairly Legal.
Because we don't mind our business.
You are right. Than why oh why didn't he got after them in Saudi country? Because the Bush family are tight with the Saudi family. He went to Iraq that had no one that attacked the US. He wanted Oil. The Bush family is into Oil. Our troops died for OIL. They died and the Bush/Cheney family got rich.
You are not informed Joe, ever try to get on a plane and not have your name on the passenger list? None of the 19 highjackers names appear on any passenger list,7 of the 19 are still alive and well(whats up with that) Their is so much evidence that you would feel dishonest with yourself to believe otherwise. One more thing to consider Joe is look how fast they put together the homeland security act, that is a very long and complex bill and would have taken months to complete, yet here it is, real handy huh?. Sure we all hate "the dub", but it would not matter who had been in office,ask yourself one question,who benefited, who got what they wanted. True, all facts are not known, but people have been hung on far less evidence, look to history. One things for sure Joe, they sure as fuck hate us now.-CEO citizens,eyes,open.
i loathe the way the chris matthews, joe scarboroughs, etc. of the world slobber all over this waste of space. i loathe the slobbering almost as much as i loathe peggy herself. she provided the lies for reagan and bush the elder to spew.
peggy doesn't talk she spins.
The Chris Matthews and Joe Scarboroughs of the world are not concerned with right and wrong (most of the time), but they love political intrigue and tactics. This is why they have no qualms with featuring on their shows people like Noonan and Buchanan and Rove.
How come he wouldn't testify under oath on his own in front of the 9/11 commission. And why the 911 commission accepted that dubious arrangement?.
or appear without Cheney
or appear with no open coverage, or with no written record/transcript?
Republicans in Charge of Congress at that time? Then that would explain the not under oath exemption.
I love the way these idiots completely dismiss that the attacks oc 9/11 were on the Bush/Republican watch!!!
He was warned and ignored the warnings.
Safe indeed!
Nah. Ignore, prevaricate, deflect, obfuscate or lie. Same shit, different day for these dopes.
Americans on active duty, in the National Guard or Reserves were not 'kept safe' they were sent to a Bush created nightmare and thousands of them were killed or wounded, in a cauldron of death and an urban terror training school called Iraq. Because of Bush Americans died for the Republican administration lies and spin, and to get Bush re-elected as a 'War President'.
And just for the sake of argument, let's pretend that we haven't had any terror attacks here in the States because the "evil doers" were busy shooting at our troops "over there". I offended that the only way to protect ourselves was to hide behind a human wall made up of US troops. What a craptacular and selfish tactic.
There have been no subsequent terrorist attacks on US soil because the terrorists got what they wanted.
With just one attack.
Why would anyone boast about that? Aside from the terrorists, I mean.
The counter terrorism system Clinton put in place with Richard Clarke as its director thwarted perhaps dozens of planned international terrorist attacks on Clinton's watch since the February 1993 attack on the WTC. We know that because that's what the man who masterminded both attacks on the WTC, KSM, told us he had planned to do following his first 1993 attack on the WTC, but none of them succeeded on Clinton's watch.
Naturally, Bush wasn't interested in such a system to prevent 9/11 type attacks on our homeland so he and Condi Rice destroyed it within days of taking office in 2001. Eight months later 3000 Americans were killed by the first successful international terrorist attack on our homeland in more than eight years.
Bush then followed up that blunder with an even bigger blunder, the unnecessary Iraq War, that allowed our enemies in the Middle East to kill ANOTHER 4200 Americans (and counting) without their even buying airline tickets and box cutters. Bush DELIVERED more American lives to our enemies in their general neighborhood on the Planet in the years since 9/11 than they took on 9/11 after coming here.
And this is what Noonan and the other "Bush kept us safe" loons are gushing about?
Speaking of keeping people safe, how come, (in the video), Chimpy's secret service didnt whisk George away immediately when they realized that terrists had airplanes flying all over the eastern US?
How come the Secret Service didnt throw a coat over Bush's head and throw him in the limo and drive strait for Airforce One?
Even though hijaacckked planes were still flying around, George was permitted to Stay at that school for a while......Hmmmmmm
I have questions...
they sure rushed Cheney into a bunker though.
didn't Transportation Sec'y Norman Mineta hear something that day?
why would they rush cheney into a bunker?
Edith or Archie?
you're on fire today!
Sounds like I have to keep an eye peeled (ouch) for hijacked airliners about to crash into me.
...If I were writing a story about how Cheney got whisked away on 9/11 ...while Bush sat in school... the headline would read...
Dick Physically removed...Bush remains.
When the Peggy Noonans, the Bill Kristols, the Tom Delays, the Newt Gingrich's, the John Hannitys, the Bill O'Reillys, the Rush Limbaughs of the world out there are almost always %100 wrong about everything at what point do the American People stop listening? I know they do allot of flag waving and their stories let people put their blame on mostly the helpless and if you go along it gives you straw-man to knock down and burn but later don't ever feel bad about being mislead? Don't they ever realize the truth?
You noticed none of them served in the military. None. My father, husband and his dad all served over 20 yrs each. They aren't so quick to go to war. They know what it is about. Even my mother was in war torn Italy. She said once you been in something like that you never want to see it again.
I can't imagine them trotting out the "at least he kept us safe" meme if 9/11 had happened on Clinton's watch.Ya know?
The utter refusal of people like Miss Piggy to hold Bush in some small way responsible for well..anything,is just grotesque.
Him and Cheney.
The scenario was written into Tom Clancy's Debt of Honor (1994) as well, when a Japanese airline pilot drove his 747 into the Capitol building during a joint meeting of both houses, killing the President, most of the House and Senate, the Joint Chiefs and the entire Supreme Court. So I guess that would be an instance of life imitating art, or maybe just intelligence officials reading fictional and glamorized accounts of their own craft. FSM have mercy!
According to 60 Minutes about a year before 9-11, terrorists hijacked a French airliner to crash it into the Eiffel Tower, but some brave French pilots (yes there are such things), went into a steep climb, which threw the terrorist to the back of the cockpit where the pilots overcame them. At that point the terrorist groups decided to learn to fly planes.
Low level FBI agents were reporting foreign students taking take-off lessons, but not bothering with landing. Intervening levels of bureaucracy seemed to have ignored these.
You forget alot of republicans don't like to read. Look at Bush and Palin. Neither one is interested enough beyond their own back door. You know Palin seeing Russia and W seeing Mexico from the back doors.
The only way bush could have exploited the american people, and particularly the soldiers more, would have been by personally going house to house setting fire to everyone's home while excorting them into the helpful arms of a waiting rape squad.
Luckily Gitmo will be closed soon so that he can stop doing that to innocent muslims. The Christofascists will lose the holywar and the rational majority will rise up to take control of the government and put it back in the hands of the people, not the sealclubbing, baby raping, countryclub shmoozing few.
anyone remember Richard Ried the shoe bomber? (firecrackers and matches) what a joke!
...or the guy who was gonna take down the brooklyn bridge with a blowtorch?
...or the 5 Karate guys who were gonna take down the Larry Silv erstien's Sears Tower...who got set up by the FBI?
...or the 4 pizza delivery guys who were gonna storm Fort Dix N.J. with guns?
How about the Doctors in Scotland who were gonna blow up the airport with 50 gallons of gas? + 30 more in the cars own tank
...anyone remember the over 1000 "arab men" arrested after 9/11 ....all of them quietly let go.
......How could we not feel safe? (snark)
on this site was verboten.
Change in policy?
Sure hope so.
Go get 'em TBT.
America doesn't need to worry about a terrorist attack from abroad....it will destroy itself from within by corporations and politions using corruption and greed. I still think 911 was an inside job to generate huge profits to the big corporations such as GE , Halliburton ,kellog Brown & Root , Blackwater , etc. PNAC said that the US needs another "Pearl Harbor". Such a coincidence 911 happened so soon after those words were said. War is good for business. My 2 cents....
but I think that the false flag 9/11 attacks were a means/excuse to eventually put into place a permanent US military presence in the middle east to put a lock on mid-east oil before the Russians and the Chinese get their hands on it. Cheney and the US oil cabal have had something like this in mind since the OPEC crisis (?) of 1974 so turning a blind eye to the substantive warnings pre 9/11 and then facilitating the attacks (the historical record is there for the reading) was the vehicle for the energy component of the hegemonous New American Century imperial plan. Makes some sense or is, at least, quite plausible.
nuff said
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Well, let me complete your thought. Bush Sr authorized Sadam to go into Kuwai. The American Embassado April Glaspie was accused of having given tacit approval for the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait, which took place on August 2, 1990. Bush used the opportunity yo enter and place troops in the Middle East, mainly Saudy Arabia, hence pissing Osama bin Laden...the rest is history.
You have a good memory. To bad many people don't remember those minor issues.
You are so right.
When you have Jeb Bush saying to the republicans lets set up a shadow government. That tells you something. They are trying hard to make sure Obama doesn't get sworn in. Birth certificate. They are hoping.
that Bush sat on his ass and then ran like a chicken during all of this.
I'll never forgive the man for that.
Well yeah. What do you expect from a war dodger during VN. He got daddy to get him a position in the National Guard. That was the way to get out of serving back then. At least his daddy served honorably. Can't say the same for W, and Cheney. They like playing soldiers not actually doing the job. God forbid.
I'm sure George had absolutely no say whatsoever...it was the secret service who let George sit there reading my pet goat, ...doing nothing for 45 minutes after the attack! ...exept endangering the kids by remaining at his well publicized book reading!
The secret service should have had him on Airforce One before he even got out of the limo to go into Booker T elementary!
sorta like the Time Out the Secret Service took in Dallas.
...nearly drove me insane with fury. Dubya always had that puzzled, "They're not pissed at me?" look on his face. He knew that he had fucked up, and we let his stupid ass off.
Well what the hell do you expect from someone who doesn't take responsibility for the economy down turn. He just now is ready to believe we are in a recession. Come on. The man is in denial. If he really comes out of that denial he might kill himself.
So true. It reminds me of a documentary I saw about Stalin. When Germany attacked Russia after Stalin and Hitler's so-called non-aggression treaty was signed, Stalin thought his generals were going to kill him for not seeing it coming. Obviously they didn't kill him, or even fault him for being caught totally flat-footed, in fact the Russian people seemed to turn to him for leadership even more.
When Peggy said this, did she close her eyes and have one of her mini-sexual climax moments? Anyone who has watched her speak knows what I'm talking about.
Funny, you said what I was thinking. She just adores those republicans. She never sees things they do wrong. She forget the Presidential Memo when they were holding hearings and asked Rice about them. Rice was as usual dumb like all Bush appointees. I hear nothing, I see nothing and I say nothing.
It is amazing how these Republican shills, whose idea of being safe is to kill hundreds of thousands of browns, yellows and blacks by invading, ransacking, and pillaging their lands again, and again, and again- just so their super-blessed club-members may live in their tunnel-vision paradise- how these habitual war- and hate-mongers shun logic, reality, science, reason, humanity, even the very words of Christ.
These cave-dwelling, self-assured, heartless rubes (derived from the same mold as those that assembled in city squares to watch human beings lynched, or drawn, or quartered- all the while singing praises to an all-loving, merciful bearded guy in the sky) defy all manner of intelligence and common sense, decency and basic human empathy in this long-past-enlightenment age. They endanger, by their abysmal ignorance and celebration of abject stupidity, the very land they profess so loudly to love.
Amazing, indeed! PDBs proclaiming the imminent threat to the country be damned. In fact, they waited to welcome a new Pearl Harbor in order to re-establish Empire upon the world. They were far too busy hatching plans to destroy the environment; dismantle all treaties for the safety of humankind; find innumerable ways for their corporate buddies (the Haves and Have-mores) to plunder and loot at will; to enable all the racists and bigots to slither back out from the under the dark rocks and crevices to which they had crawled in the bright sunlight of knowledge and wisdom.
These killing-intoxicated pre-historic creatures repeatedly spread hatred around the world- creating exactly the environment that perpetuates hatred and phobia amongst those that feel wronged. After these incompetent rubes complete their destructive agenda- time after time, the sane, the bright, the caring, the enlightened ones have to come along and carry out the virtually impossible Herculean task of undoing the damage.
These racist, PNAC-addled, war-crazed, neocons and right-wing zealots then have the chutzpah to mouth anything, whatsoever, about safety and security! Thank heavens for liberal, broad-minded humans in this world that keep the deadly human beast from blowing up all of civilization once and for all.
Of all the stone-age, destructive zealots and zealot-infested "administrations," of course, none can hold a candle to the one that terrorized the world with reptilian sleaziness these past 8 years.
Did these cave-dwelling Neanderthals, including Ms. Noonan, not notice the world-wide rejoicing upon the victory of Barack Obama? The world itself, which matters little to these bigots, except for being an arena for their looting and plundering- has rightly felt that a new lease on its collective life has been issued with the end of the cruelest, most lawless, most vicious regime of thugs to have clamped down upon a nation, and along with it, the world in a long, long time within recorded history.
Yes, the Bushco thugs have actually made life safe- they seem to have made life safe for themselves- in the sense that they have had virtually no accountability for their vicious crimes, no impeachment, no trials, no jail sentences. They walk into safety, despite their horrendous war crimes.
I appreciate your righteous anger on display here.
But don't forget that this also happened with the cooperation of the Democrats.
the military industrial complex doesn't just use the Republicans to advance its agenda. It uses the Democrats too.
I have absolutely no illusion about the true nature of the lobby-beholden politicians of all stripes in this country, and their heartless actions that bring death and destruction.
As many have suggested, active enablers such as Pelosi, Reid, Feinstein and several others deserve as much contempt, and possible impeachment for treason, as any of the war-party.
However, given the complete absence of a true, democratic, 3rd party alternative in this country, many like myself, at least take some comfort that decent, enlightened human beings such as RFK, George McGovern, Eugene McCarthy, Paul Wellstone, and (now) Dennis Kucinich and Russ Feingold have also belonged to the D-label.
I admit this is a lesser-evil principle- but then, where else can people here turn? How many actually follow Ralph Nader's warnings about the rotten duopoly?
That's what the two kids who committed the Columbine Massacre wanted to do. Why does Rice think this was some crazy oddball scheme of al-Qaeda's? This is the problem we now have; nothing is too off the wall!
Our lifes have changed so much because one guy with explosives in his shoes thought he could be a martyr. Women who are suicide bombers. No fluids in quantities on planes. What's next?
Airport security guards pulling guns on a pregnant woman who's water just broke?
Congress and the Bush admin have passed a law that can declare U.S. citizens terrorists.... It's the The Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violent_Radicali...
...so obviously the are preparing for more than just some crazy oddball owl-CIA-duh scheme!
they mean dark skinned immigrants or liberals, right?
Because, them right wing wackos sure do get a free pass when they get to buy arsenals from their gun shows, that rival 3rd world countries, while talking how it is open season on the new president.
If anything, I am surprised that the militias aren't getting back at "defending our constitution by any means necessary" training exercises, like they did in the 90s. They sure did remain all quiet while Bush et al was shitting on the piece of paper they claim to love so much.
Yeah Tyler, as far as the homegrown terror act
I dont think its just for liberals or dark or light immigrants. ...or Redneck militiamembers...
I think its for anyone who is an activist against the corporations/banks/energy/military/pharma/agri/ ect...industrial complexeseses.
H.R. 1955 hmmmm. Obama (and friends) voted for it! ...and he is a dark skinned liberal (and maybe an immigrant too) so I'm not so sure its a left right thing.
It's about police state! pay taxes, let govt send your kids to war overseas to protect the corporate interest, ...and shut up... or else!
Ronald Raygun is DEAD and he ain't ever coming back.
I don't think Reagan like the Bushes.
Go to the real source: Bush is lying...Michael Moore pinned down General Motors right, now look at General Motors. Michael Moore pinned down Bush on Farenheit 911...Give it a few years...Bush will be bagged like General Motors.
This conspiracy IS A PLAN! BUSH NEEDS TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE! AND SO DOES CHENEY! RUMSFELDT! RICE! ROVE! HERBERT BUSH! BARBARA! LAURA! THEY KNOWINGLY PUT THIS PLAN TOGETHER!
the plan was hatched many years before. both democratic and republican administrations pushed it along.
Well dunno. I will say the Bush family had ties with the CIA. Now Jeb Bush wants a shadow government. It might be wild thought but who knows he might be right.
Fri, 12/05/2008 - 13:54 — SouthernYankee
Well dunno. I will say the Bush family had ties with the CIA.
In our family, we gave ties on Father's Day.
At least you got the point. Your family must give pretty boring gifts.
11 Sept 01....yep, Dubya was POTUS.
/watch this drive
wingnuts constantly ask how we can hate this man...this vid shows how
at the very least, a major disaster had occured before he entered into that school...he shouldve cancelled the photo op
then, when he was made aware that america was under attack...he and his entire staff stayed at the school...placing himself, the teachers and all those kids at risk
the fucker is a psychopath
The secret service shoulda driven him strait to the airport!
...dont you wonder why they didnt follow the playbook and whisk him away on Airforce One?
Bush didnt endanger the children by remaining at (well publicized location) Booker T. elementary...it was the secret service! ...They did nothing... Cheney was physically removed though.
even normal people stopped what they were doing that morning to observe the horror taking place.
George was the exact opposite of the "one in charge"
...he was in fact the sacrificial pet goat, ...they made him look like a fool too!
Just like Papa Doc, Baby Doc, Idi Amin, or even Bush's grandad former Idol.
Usually their MO is to run the country into the ground, terrorize its own citizens, so that the place becomes such a shithole that no foreign force would be even interested in wasting time/effort in invading said country. So in a sense, yeah... Bush et al are indeed "keeping us safe of foreign harm." It is the homegrown harm that we need to look out for though...
At the end of the day, suicide bombers are not going to unstrap their explosive vests based on who is or is not sitting in the Oval Office. Terrorists aren't making a partisan statement: they're extremists, who are willing to kill innocent Democrats and Republicans in places like Manhattan, and who are willing to kill Jews in Mumbai. Republicans cannot possibly blame our new President-Elect for future attacks; but, in my opinion, neither can Democrats take lightly the fact that, as Barbara Walters mentioned, for whatever reason we've been safe the past seven years. And that is something that red and blue voters alike can be thankful for.
He sure didn't protect us from those Wall Street bankers. Osama Bin Laden is sitting back laughing his ass off at how we're destroying ourselves.
What they should be saying is "at least Clinton kept us safe". That dumbfvck Bush was too busy with photo ops at his ranch to read the memo.
...he would keep us "safe".
This is so disgusting. We can all see what effective propaganda can do. They have the moronic society of "the greatest nation on earth" believing that this dumb shit will keep us all safe.
Had he and his pet monkey read the reports warning them of this possibility, maybe at least ONE tower would still be standing.
This pig is a disgrace to other pigs.
Condoleeza Rice has been referenced several times over the past few days in regards to the pre 9/11 PDB that she attended july 2001 entitled "Bin Laden prepared to strike in U.S." and then stating at a later date that.
"I don't think anybody could have predicted that these people would take an airplane and slam it into the World Trade Center"...ect..ect..
It really does makes one wonder ...(boggling!)...how in the fuck a National Security Advisor to The President of the United States could say and do those things, and still get promoted to Secretary of State!
How many people here know that one of Obama's very first votes as a United States Senator was to confirm George Bush's appointment of this incompetent bitch to Secretary of State in early 2005?
How can this moron keep us safe, he has put us all in harms way. He cant open his mouth with out putting his foot in it. He will be the most celebrated President upon his leaving.
When 20 Jan 09 comes my husband and I will have a glass of red wine and make a toast to say good god we made it thru the last 8 yrs. My mom and her dad made a toast the day the hung Mussolini. They were happy to be rid of him. I will be glad Bush will be out of office. I want him to live a long life to see all the damage he has done to this country.
In one of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle’s books, Sherlock Holms cracks a case because “the dogs did not bark”.(The perpetrator of the crime was the owner of the dogs!) Now ask yourself why the secrete service did not snatch Bush out of that class room and whisk him to safety when they knew we were under attack.
I see where you're going with this, lafin', and I hope that the next time you're anywhere in the proximity of a car-bomb detonation you stay right where you are- because if you run outside you'll likely catch the blast of the second car-bomb.
The Secret Service knew exactly what they were facing inside of the school, and in the immediate vicinity of that school. I'm sure that while Stupor Mundi sweated it out, finishing up My Pet Goat, that AF1's escort was being scrambled, as were many more fighters in the vicinity. The radar at the airport/Air Force Base were being gone over thoroughly. Simultaneously the Secret Service was coordinating an even more complete security lockdown on Stupor Mundi's path back to AF1.
Consider that.
That was Silver Blaze. Here's a video with my favorite Sherlock Holmes, but I'm on my dial-up, and am not sure of the quality.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_pi6jCUB_0&fe...
:P
How many coincidences does it take before you realize they weren’t coincidences at all?
Since that horrible day in 2001, Bush and his neocon bastards have done nothing to keep us safer. They did nothing to keep us safe on that day. Instead, our troops and civilians in Iraq have been attacked on a daily basis. we have lost thousands of lives because Bush has made us less safe. The world is less stable because Bush has made it so. He has damaged our friendships with other nations (such as Russia) and has created new enemies.
Every single attack that occurred on and after 9/11, and those that will occur far into the future, can be blamed on George W. Bush.
How's that for a legacy???
The Sept. 11th 2001 terrorist attacks happened on Bush's watch.
Enough said.
I am a newbie to messaging here. But I have been following C&L for years now. I was against Bush before he was sworn in the first time. In my opinion, he should not be getting any retirement pay for the damage he has done to the US, and worse, for all the lives lost in Iraq.
But the dems want to move along with forgive and forget...so far. I do not. Bush, Cheney, and the rest of the RW political mafia should be dragged before a court and read their rights, what are left of them.
What we should do is to have large parties on 1/20/09 to celebrate the end of the Bush/RW regime. I carry no high expectations for the Obama presidency, except that which he has spoken to. And he does indeed have a full plate to deal with.
The Bush legacy should be something more like a scene from the post Katrina effects. The destroyed homes, businesses, the flooded streets, failed banks and businesses, the foreclosed homes, and all surrounded by the shredded remnants of the US Constitution.
Many thought that McCain was a bad choice from the repubs, but anyone who was really awake, and had an online ability to search out the truth, would have known in December, 2000, that the Bush was shown to be an even worse choice.
Some might view my words as a tad bit on the angry side. But this is nothing compared to a face to face verbal. I am a Veteran of another war. And every time I see the number of men and women service members who were KIA, WIA, and how they were treated upon their return, if Bush were on fire, I'd get the marshmellows.
Friend you have a point. I was with you from the beginning. I never thought Iraq had anything to do with Bush War. He wanted Iraq for one thing and one thing only OIL. He sent our soldiers to die for OIL. Republicans don't want to hear that but it is the truth. My husband, his father and my dad all spent 20 yrs or more in the military. They were and are all democratics. Bush/Cheney and their bunch should be in jail. But we won't get to see that. He has ruined this country and that alone he should be in jail for. If there is a god he will pass his judgement on him and I have a feeling god won't be to kind.
Ordinarily, I would have accepted to "let god pass judgment", but not this time. This time he should feel the wrath of a nation first, and god's later. But I fear/feel that those now in the control room will sacrifice everything and just move on.
As for Iraq being for the oil or not, doesn't really matter so much. Enough so that there are no legitimate acceptable reasons the Bush regime can glom onto that can justify it.
Everyone should visit this site who has any idea that 911 people are nuts,screwball or not qualified, in fact everyone should visit, take a sandwich,make a day of it.CEO
http://patriotsquestion911.com/engineers.html
Noonan is testimony to my belief that the movie "Invasion of the Body Snatchers" was actually a documentary. It would appear that 28% of U.S. citizens have been replaced by alien beings who refer to themselves as Republicans or Conservatives. Don't go to sleep!
Since WE THE PEOPLE most likely didn't start the fire, and Bush was far behind in knowing about 9/11 than we did, if our country is so lost, then how do we pick up from the rubble that the Islamofascists and Christofascists left behind?
Man, Nixon sure seemed to make a terribly good architect for devisiveness and demise of our American democracy, not to mention the conspiracy theories that George HW Bush may've implied on the NWO.
George HW Bush gave his famous NWO speech to the American People, on
Sept 11, 1991.
what are the odds?
Peggy Noonan's interview with Bush and Laura in October, 2001 in the Ladie's Home Journal was disgusting....especially in where Noonan said toward the end (after listening to Bush's description of himself and Laura being herded to a bunker in the WH late at night because some lone small plane was thought to have been flying around the Capitol). ..something to the effect that, 'so the most terrible day ended up being funny'...because Bush was describing Laura's 'fuzzy slippers'...
also, Jeb Bush, on September 7, 2001 put out an Executive Order - which included - pointed out in "#3" article about having the National Guard being 'brought up' in case of civilian unrest because of some possible ememrgency or terrorist thing..(my notes are crammed in my case)...
One would think any papers allocating keeping the National Guard readily available would already be in a State charter????
Bush didn't keep us safe on 9/11.
When you said: "I don't think anybody could have predicted that these people would take an airplane and slam it into the World Trade Center, take another one and slam it into the Pentagon; that they would try to use an airplane as a missile, a hijacked airplane as a missile."
Allow me to point out, as I have done in the past and will continue to do in the future, the following fact:
As a high school student, fourteen years old, in 1981, as part of a "Model UN" program I role-played the part of a then-invented "Islamic Jihad" movement representing the disenfranchised and marginalized opposition to Western involvement in the Middle East. At the time I'd have been hard-pressed to describe it so, but then, most terrorists have a level of education at or lower than I did at the time.
Would you like to know what the first thing we did was? We hijacked and crashed planes into high-visibility targets, including the Atlanta Convention Center, where on that very day then-President Reagan was delivering a speech.
Now, if a fourteen-year-old high school student (admittedly a very bright one) can come up with that, almost thirty years ago, how is it that the people charged with defending our country from threats cannot anticipate this? What do your think tanks do all day? Drink tea and watch South Park?
Face it, Madame Secretary, you and your associates are bumbling incompetents. It would be in your best interests to clam up, sit down, and hope or pray that you don't end up in a cell in the Hague.
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