Memo to the Villagers: People really do hate Republicans in Congress
By John Amato Sunday Feb 15, 2009 6:00amDuncan makes a great point as usual:
I really do wonder what it would take for the Villagers to realize people don't like Republicans and their stupid shit anymore.
I almost doubt they ever will. I finally heard Chuck Todd on MSNBC say that Obama should not engage in as much bipartisanship to get his policies passed. I'm paraphrasing but he said that Obama probably learned a lesson this time around. He refused to really get to the truth of what he meant, which was that the Republicans played their usual political games during the stimulus debate and tried to control the messaging, hoping to weaken Obama in the process and have Americans take their side on the old tax cut argument. We had a two year election to decide this and Republicans got hammered, but we know full well how the media operates.
As I've written a few times, I was hoping Republicans would do just that so President Obama would get upset with them and step back from his bipartisan approach and move his agenda forward without their approval. Because Obama visited Republicans in Congress before the debate really got started it allowed the Villagers to feel free in giving them unfettered access to the media outlets and they were able to peddle their talking points to the people.
The Democratic Party has a huge advantage in the House and the Senate for a reason, but by the coverage you would never know it. However, it did have an initial affect and Obama had to use his bully pulpit to really shift public opinion, but remember, Republicans were telling the Villagers that Americans didn't support the stimulus plan at all. If we look at the original polling 52% supported it, but what Villagers never reported is that only 38% were against with 11% undecided. That's a 14 point swing and not really that close, but the media didn't inform us of that unless we looked at the polling. In early polls support was much higher, but clearly the American people were behind the plan even if they were given a huge dose of republican stupid talk for two straight weeks.
Once President Obama went on the offensive the polling rose to 59% for and 33% against, a significant jump, but I expected that. It's not rocket science.
Digby opines on Duncan's point:
Who are these "people" he speaks of, I wonder? The Villagers are the representatives of Real America, especially when real Americans refuse to live up to the values and expectations the villagers have assigned to them. They decide for us who our candidates should be and then they decide whether or not what they do once they are elected is popular. We don't need to worry our pretty little heads about all this except to watch their shows and be impressed by their vast knowledge of everything. (In fact, if it weren't for that ridiculous nonsense about requiring that actual "people" vote in elections, we could dispense with any real participation at all and just turn Washington into a reality TV show and a web site.)
Catch the new show on FOX: Villagers Know Best.
The Sunday Talk shows are featuring David Axelrod today (MTP, FNS) and on THIS WEEK they will have an equal number of Republicans and Democrats on giving us the same tired arguments we've heard for a month now. It's not a stimulus bill, but a spending bill and it won't create jobs. Government never creates jobs. Blah, blah, blah. How about we just hear from the party that won in a landslide for a change? As Think Progress noted, Republicans have had a 2-1 ratio in air time to feed the nation lies and more lies and we understand the method to their madness. They want fighting and friction between the parties to make it more dramatic it would seem and to hell with the voting public. They are killing us slowly.
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the more dogmatic the mindset, the more difficulty one has when proven false.
i don't know how many of you saw that video of the kid coming back from the dentist.
i don't think the dad had any bad intention putting it on youtube, although it's slightly troubling.
but the best part was when the dad said to his kid, "don't worry, bud. it's just the medicine."
i got a feeling we're gonna have to reassure a lot of neocons in the coming days:
DON'T WORRY, BUD. IT'S JUST THE MEDICINE.
Repugs say goodbye to the support of the American people except for maybe that hardcore 25% nut fringe crowd.
We really can't call 1 in 4 (25%, a quarter of the total) a fringe.
The problem is that a large number of Americans still are swayed by the lies and rationales of the Republican leadership. And that a very high percentage of that number follow the Republicans as a matter of religious principle.
They are numerous and motivated. And their leaders are without scruples. That makes them dangerous. Even if they are not evil.
whats the percentage of Americans swayed by the Democrats lies also?
both parties (if you believe that there is actually two) have sold us down the river and to think otherwise is foolish and naive.
True.
But; "the democrats are a pain in the ass, and they will surely bleed ya' from time to time, but the republicans will kill you dead before you know what hit ya." - Sen. Huey Long
Pretty much sums it up for me.
....fortunately, the number of lies is considerably fewer.
Fact based appeals don't carry the same weight as the "trust us" emotional sloganeering of the Republicans.
For Democrats it is more important to be correct than to sound correct.
Take the Republican position that if you outlaw guns only outlaws will have guns. It sounds pithy and who could argue that only outlaws would then own guns?
But if only outlaws(and law enforcement) had guns we could impose the death penalty on those outlaws. That would solve that little problem and eliminate the slaughter of a lot of innocents.
But logic is not a Republican trait. That's why they lie so much.
maybe they ORIGINATE fewer lies than the republicans, but they certainly PERPETUATE the lies of the republicans a vast majority of the time.
...rebuked, bullshit. And even if your propaganda were true, you still don't offer any alternative. After eight years of Republican assholism(and don't waste my time going right by bringing up Nancy and Harry. The Republicans own this shit) the American public spoke loudly against the shit you're peddling.
typical reaction under cognitive dissonance.
You're the minority...like Rush.
I am nothing like the fat blowhard Rush.
And, it was Gandhi who said that: "An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody sees it."
and: "Even if you are a minority of one, the truth is the truth."
It's you who refuses to see the reality of the political landscape, its you who falls for the feel-goodisms of the media propaganda.
The blindness is yours.
I've already put him on my ignore user list. He's a one-trick pony.
The problem isn't the two party system. Multiple parties inevitably tend to coalition governments that can suddenly collapse and cause political confusion.
The problem lies in the financing of campaigns. Until that's fixed any new party that might come along, perhaps to replace one of the existing ones, will ultimately get compromised.
and yet you comment.
...later this year. Doing nothing is cruel BS to the many Americans Obama took an oath to at least try and protect.
Look at the lack of imagination in your range of options...
1. Do nothing
2. Do whatever the elite tell us to do.
That is the recipe for servitude, and it seems you've taken a big bite of it.
I'm done dude...when enough people you know lose their jobs, homes and health care for their children, you'll sing a different tune. The selfish only come around when they personally feel the pain.
This is completely irrelevant. You are appealing to emotion.
fallacy.
Who do you think the elete is?
If you make anyone that holds office to be elite, then I feel sorry for you, not only will you have no hero's but no one you can trust or confide in, at all.
But I feel for ya. I happen to live in California where the RePUGs are screwing up the state as of late. they can't even follow Arne-Doodle.
Re-eduacation camps come to mind?
And does this have anything to do with the map of monotheism?
I'd say Obama is off and running. The villagers are going to have to play catch up and get with the program. It will be interesting how far behind we can leave the Repugs dogma in the past.If they keep selling the same old snake oil, it will be the villagers who'll turn on them first. There is nothing worse than the feeling of being left behind.
The only truth from the WAPO Opinion page Online this day:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/...
We, the people know what the Villagers cannot. As the economy worsens they cut back on buying luxuries. We cut back on our lives.
They take vacations closer to home. We lose a home.
They cannot speak for us because they do not know us.
AMEN!!!!!!
I truly believe that he genuinely thinks he can reach across the political aisle and work with Repugs -- just as he successfully did back in Illinois but, the problem for Obama is, Washington isn't Illinois.
Washington is filled with human horrors like Mitch McConnell, John Cornyn, Eric Cantor and John Boehner. These unpatriotic partisans would rather see the United States slip into the Great Depression 2.0 than work with President Obama.
These Republicans scalawags aren't fit to serve in the Congress.
I'm not exactly sure of the date, but the republican party became pure evil long ago. Like a serial killer, they are not going to stop - until they are stopped.
Personally, I don't think they will get it until they lose another 8 senate seats next year, and their very last tool of obstructing good is taken from them.
After that happens, maybe a few of them (Snowe) will also switch parties.
And when the new census is redrawn, I expect them to lose another 20 seats in the House.
The USA becomes a GOP-free zone.
Let them all move to Iraq or off-world. I have no use for them.
They have no interest in serving the interests of Americans, only of their special interests as well as their own.
With the the persons named above in the article, plus more unnamed Obama has to come to terms that his intent was admirable, attempted and failed. Now is the time to move vigorously on the promises of the campaign ... CHANGE We cannot stop the process of government to pamper a few who cannot accept defeat.
These people do not use intelligent rationale ... these people are just grandstanding to feel important. EGOTISTICAL IDIOTS
As I watch the Republithugs spew out their nonsense to the country it makes me retch uncontrollably. They created this problem and now they want to tell our president how to fix it. What is really bothering them is they know that it will be some time before anyone with a brain will consider electing another president after the disasterous tenure of Bush. They are shaking in their boots because the facts are coming to light about what they have done in our name and the abuses that they committed for the last 8 years. They are now seen as "Crooks and Liars" (pun intended) and the American people no longer trust them anymore. The Populist movement has grown because of the apathy that has existed for the last 25 or so years with the BS that they have fed us. No longer will we accept the tired and failed arguments that they have the right answers on how to run this country. I just wish they would go crawl in a hole and shut the hell up.... nuff said....
both "foreign involvements" AND "parties."
He would have been particularly cautious about the way "parties" formed in the USofA: Two mildly divergent wings of the same party, the party of Property and Privilege.
Within the so-called parties, of course, we must always be aware of the Iron-clad Law of Institutions: Those who hold power inside Institutions will tolerate the diminution of the power--authority, moral staqnding, etc--of the Institution as long as it doesn't effect their power WITHIN the Institution.
In other words, you are just flapping your collective fingers if you think anything is gonna be changed by anybody.
The best that you can hope for, on tha level, is to tqake care of yourself, your family and friends, and to be compassionate to your neighbors; and hope you die before it all goes to shit (sometime this century).
...another fresh, steaming platter of bull$#!+, served up you at no cost, by the american taliban, a.k.a. the neocon obstructionist partyin' elephants, also known as N.O.P.E.
this sucker needs to go belly-up, like "topsy".
(i will add i'm anti-death penalty -i'm from illinois)
I don't think Obama "learned a lesson." The GOP got schooled. Old Schooled by a Chicago politician who doesn't follow the DC echo chamber.
Righteous.
Did you ever think that you, Duncan et al are becoming your own brand of villagers? Ie. thinking like a herd, not thinking critically, rushing to print something that fits in an approved storyline??
I regret to inform you but that's not a great point from Duncan. I like his site and your site but 'people' don't hate Republicans - a huge constituency of Americans are 'Republicans' who still support their representatives. Saying 'people' hate them is ... wrong! Obama's high approval rating doesn't mean that Republicans hate their representatives Also, our side *didn't* win in a landslide. Why would you say that we did?? How does that help? Is that your answer to the villagers? Misinformation? It' junk food information just like the Villagers and just like the right wing.
I understand with the point you are trying to make. I agree with it. But can't you make it without the sensationalism?
I HATE republicans. Alot!
They are pure evil. So I hate them.
EVERY Republican in the House faces re-election in 2010.
AND there are 19 Republican Senators up for re-election in 2010.
Almost half the 41 Republicans in the Senate:
* Richard Shelby of Alabama
* Lisa Murkowski of Alaska
* John McCain of Arizona
* Mel Martinez of Florida -- will not run
* Johnny Isakson of Georgia
* Mike Crapo of Idaho
* Chuck Grassley of Iowa --
* Sam Brownback of Kansas -- will not run
* Jim Bunning of Kentucky
* David Vitter of Louisiana
* Kit Bond of Missouri -- will not run
* Judd Gregg of New Hampshire
* Richard Burr of North Carolina
* George Voinovich of Ohio -- will not run
* Tom Coburn of Oklahoma --
* Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania --
* Jim DeMint of South Carolina
* John Thune of South Dakota
* Kay Bailey Hutchison of Texas -- may retire to run for Gov.
* Bob Bennett of Utah
these two parties control everything and nothing will change without their say-so. Just look at the jerry-rigged FEC. It's dysfunctional and really just a window-dressing of an agency. It's purpose is almost ceremonial and facade-like with no interest to change anything; sorta like the Senate Ethics committee. And look at the arbitrary 15% threshold they set for any third-party candidates to appear in Presidential debates. Fifteen percent of the vote in a previous election. Where do they get that number? It's based on nothing. just high enough to be outta reach and low enough to seem 'reasonable'. hardly. they don't want any third-party candidates to get in there. just look at the success that Ross Perot had in '92. if he werent a crackpot he mightve won that election. we need more options in this country. the GOP and Dems have had it good for way too long. no wonder i'm an independent.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CS9OO0S5w2k
Get a clue, Villagers. The public has thrown a bucket of water on your wicked witch of reality. How amusing to see your psychotic fantasy world slowly mellllting away. I'll look forward to the time that your corporatist shilling becomes irrelevant--which for many Americans it already is.
I wish Michael Moore would make a documentary film that totally exposed the CORPORATE MEDIA and all the criminal 'pundits' that are bought and paid for by them. These pundits are nothing more than dancing monkeys at the end of a tether that is attached to a grinding organ, with their little bell hop hats on, bell hop uniforms in place, and the TUNE THAT THEY ARE DANCING TOO IS PLAYED BY THEIR CORPORATE MASTERS. Maybe a great question that Michael could ask in the process of exposing the DANCING MONKEYS is why is it that the corporate cum sluts like Brian Williams , for example, is PAID 10 MILLION A YEAR. And exactly for what ? What justifies this cum slut being paid that amount of money given he spends less than 30 minutes reading what is put in front of him to read: the corporate propaganda. All of them have been turned into millionairs by these Corporations so that the dancing monkeys then do their bidding. And here we are in this economy , at this time, 10,000 hard working folks loosing their homes every day now. What is left of our once great country is collapsing around us, 2 million have lost their jobs in just the last three months, and yet these evil dancing monkeys are making millions. Meanwhile the teachers of our kids make about 30,000 a year.
And of course all these millionair capitalists smear the word socialism. Like the work liberal has become a swear word. Socialism simply means a social system that is fair and equitable to all. Oh my god. There goes my personal greed, the very same personal greed that has destroyed this country, the same greed that is the very essence of what is means to be a REPIGLICAN.
This greed knows no limits to these evil creatures. And of course the millionair dancing monkeys want to protect their own greed. They get to be the 'media elite'. All of them should be arrested for journalistic fraud, a purposeful effort to deceive the American people. As Scott Mcllelan said these dancing monkeys have been and are 'actively complicit' in advancing the Corporate Agenda including Iraq.
They should be arrested and frog marched out of the protection of their Corporate Studios and sent directly to prison. Once there they should be turned into bitches for the enjoyment of the inmates.
I hope someone like Michael Moore can document all of it.
only if we continue to believe loud words & images of thug owned media. They are out of power, waiting for O to put down his shoeshine kit and act decisively in our behalf.
I see a problem with the term..."people really do HATE republicans in congress" when what was said by Duncan, "people really DON'T LIKE republicans and their stupid shit anymore".
It is a sign our dialogue is infected with the same thug low use of terminology we're attempting to put behind us.
I recall spending a few miserable years in tx and HATE him LOVE her is what I'd hear every day and had to call my friends in the N'east and england to stay sane.
The greedy, obstructionist, Reslug party are hated and dying out day more each day as Americans don't see anything good in what they stand for.
hatehatehatehatehatehatehatehatehatehatehatehatehatehate
hatehatehatehatehatehatehatehatehatehatehatehatehatehatehate
hatehatehatehatehatehatehatehatehatehate.
fucking cut it out. Stop using this word.
i pretty much loathe them generally now, after these last few weeks of self-serving obstructionism. congress, state level, town, registered voters even...they're enablers. all beyond useless. i miss the conservatives of the '50's and '60's. eisenhower would roll in his grave to see the pathetic swill that calls itself a gop conservative today.
this is why they should have been allowed to filibuster.
...points to the need to reform the FCC, so that it can compel these GOPer propganda organsto live up to the conditions of their broadcast licenses. All the problems I see relate back to the FCC and back anti-trust based egregious abuses of de facto monopoly power. If that doesn't change, this BS is never going to end. The FCC and the DoJ need to pay a lot of attention to this issue and deal with it very decisively.
And if the GOP loses even more seats in Congress/Senate, we'll be a FAR right nation.
And if all the branches of government are nothing but Democrats, we'll be a radical right nation.
WOOOOOOO!
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