Occupy Wall Street vs The Tea Party
Unfortunately, decades of hate-talk AM radio - beginning with Rush Limbaugh, followed up by the creation of Fox News by Roger Ailes - have up to this point irrevocably damaged our political discourse and cultural lines that have defined the many faces of America's past. I grew up in Astoria, Queens, a city that was dominated by an influx of Greek immigrants. If you make it down to Ditmars Blvd., you can grab some of the best Greek food America has to offer. Latinos, Polish, Irish, Italian, African Americans, German and many other cultural backgrounds filled out the neighborhood. There were many different religions represented as well, along with others that didn't really pay much attention to it. It was the quintessential melting pot of different cultures and beliefs that shared tight living quarters and for the most part lived together in harmony.
Obviously it was far from perfect, but there wasn't this toxic political divide between the groups--pitting right vs left, conservatives against liberals--that existed after the great right-wing transmissions began, fueled by corporate interests and political and right wing religious operatives. In the Bush decade, conservatives have been thoroughly conditioned by an endless drone of conservative voices to not only hate liberals, but to also wish them to be exterminated from the two-party system. Deleted, one might say in today's techo-daze. A good example of what I'm talking about is the differences that you see by the OWS protesters and the tea party operatives and how they have been portrayed by the MSM, CNBC and Fox.
The tea party has sided with Wall Street as epitomized by CNBC's Rick Santelli's rant on the stock exchange floor, which blamed the loser homeowners rather than the Wall Street excesses and cons that caused the collapse of the global financial markets, which in turn has ruined the world economies. And that means grief and hardship for the working class while the financial elites make huge profits. David Cay Johnson explains: First Look At US Pay Data, It's Awful:
There were fewer jobs and they paid less last year, except at the very top where, the number of people making more than $1 million increased by 20 percent over 2009.
Digby wrote an excellent op-ed for al-Jazeera in which she discusses the two groups and how different and deep the divide is.
Tea Partiers: The self-hating 99 percent.
Although the Tea Party and Occupy movement share surface similarities, they represent opposite world views.
They should be with us at this moment in time, screaming for income and economic equality, but we're the enemy. Rush Limbaugh, Billo, Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck say so.




I pledge allegiance to the money of the United Corporations of America, and to the billionaires for which I stand, our nation, divided, with no taxes or oversight for the 1% that run the country.
Can I teach evolution in the Sunday school at your tax-free Church? No?!
Can you use taxpayer money to impose your religious beliefs on others? NO!
Separation of church and state is a wall, not a one-way door.
Summed up nicely FBG.
...are just upset because they didn't think of it first. And so now they have to twist their already knotted rationale for existence into an even more tangled "sheepshank" so that they can be opposed to the OWS protests.
These people, their immaturity, and their hypocrisy sicken me.
The teaparty is struggling to remain relevant (at least to the extent that it ever was)now that even FOX Noize is throwing them overboard. From the perspective of our corporate overlords, teapartiers illustrate perfectly the term "useful idiots".
If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're gonna get selfish, ignorant leaders.
George Carlin
fits my feelings exactly. I can barely stand to converse with them any more...change that, I cant converse with them anymore. They are irrelevant and nonsensical by their own doings and words.
is never smooth.
Always smooth.
Teabaggers are so clueless, that they would buy tickets to their own torture and execution - and demand to pay top dollar to the oligarch's for the privelege.
You can't fix stupid.
Rush Limbaugh is what a smart person thinks a stupid bigot sounds like.
You nailed it TR . They're complete fools . The protestors represent the 99 % alright , the 99 % which includes the 45 or 50 percent who are too ignorant and dumb to defend themselves .
one of the great, defining rants of the tea partiers, "we want our country back!". when asked who took it, after much dissembling, it boiled down to that black man in the white house, and all those minorities of other than white hues. but, the tea party wasn't racist! don't you dare accuse them of being racist!, even though much about them, their complaints, their signs, their leadership was, in fact, racist. oh, and they were darned if obama was going to take their guns, which many brought with them to rallies, democratic politician's townhall meetings, etc., to "exercise" their second amendment rights, as though it was a dog in need of walking, but with dum-dum bullets. that pres. obama has made no effort whatever to exert any greater control over gun ownership means nothing, because, you know, it's all a conspiracy.
strange that she would leave all that out, which actually defines the tea party movement (along with all the grifters (see: palin, sarah) said movement has attracted.
Every part of this divide in her article. We've all written about racism in the teabirchers protests.
http://www.bornagainamerican.org/ would be ok with the baggers?
....the fools do not realize,a population that can ,..... not paticipate .............in the 'economy'...,can not keep it viable!..........."we are listening,.......and we're not blind.,......this is your life....this is your time."
I saw people chanting hate against the Jews, and some NAZI's and skin heads. Don't tell me they were just there for the free Pizza! If an unmolested group of people are chanting death to the Jews, does that qualify as racism?
You might not be offended by it, but I am, and for good reason!
Even if your claims are even true. That Doesn't mean shit whatever.
Bite my shiny metal ass.
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"Bless me father for i have sinned. Those crimes that i committed, well, i did 'em again. Empty my soul to empower yours. Lead me blind down the path to salvation's doors."
Those who don't know their history are doomed to repeat it. How can
somebody resist their rulers, if they don't know who the rulers are?
Revolutions are never won, they are always stolen!
you have impeccable cred here.
me-oww!
Well, they where "NAZI's" and "skin heads"
Looks legit. Right?
Bite my shiny metal ass.
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"Bless me father for i have sinned. Those crimes that i committed, well, i did 'em again. Empty my soul to empower yours. Lead me blind down the path to salvation's doors."
are at the very core of Occupy. I'm sure the peace loving DFHs welcomed them gladly.
And why do people spell the plural of 'Nazi' w/ a fucking apostrophe? Is it code for "I'm a dumb motherfucker who doesn't know how to pluralise correctly?"
It's 'Nazis' stargazzn ("The Nazis ruled Germany"). If you want to speak of a possession of one Nazi, it's 'Nazi's' (The Nazi's salute was crisp) and more than one's possessions? Nazis' (The Nazis' actions made them subject to trial).
me-oww!
Listen to miss_kitty, she's a spelling Nazi's. :p
or should i say spelling gestapo's?
Bite my shiny metal ass.
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"Bless me father for i have sinned. Those crimes that i committed, well, i did 'em again. Empty my soul to empower yours. Lead me blind down the path to salvation's doors."
:D
me-oww!
The Nazis big mistake was putting forth a commodity backed currency. With that they brought the wrath of the International banking, and shipping cartels.
The Jewish Declaration of War on Nazi Germany The Economic Boycott of 1933
http://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/...
This is also why NORFED The National Organization for the Repeal of the Federal Reserve act, and the Internal Revenue Code was destroyed a few years ago.
They run my grandparents out of East Germany to Russia. Later to rape, and pillage Germany back into the stone age. My grandfather said you could almost walk across the river for all the raped, and dead women floating in the river!
I'm not sure if impeccable cred here would be a good thing! Very few people here
have any original thoughts! Many are self important high school dropouts. Good for little else than tools for somebody else.
You're confusing the legitimate OWS protesters with racist Ron Paul supporters and Libertarians who are trying to hijack the movement to turn it into a Tea Party part II. It won't work.
Are you sure you're not in an alternate universe? Or just living the fantasy in your head!
Now I know you support the Jew haters, and Nazis because you try to say they're part of
completely different movement.
Have you even been to the #OWS protest?, or just an lazy chair activist.
Fuck the teaparty! Yeah, the OWS protesters are, to your average teabagger (and aren't all teabaggers at best, average when you think about it) dirty fucking hippies. But if and when serious political change comes about from the sacrifices made by our brothers and sisters on the streets of NY, San Francisco, Chicago, Philly, and a whole list of other towns and cities, you know the teabaggers will crawl out of the woodwork and be the first in line to take advantage of the changes. Fucking useless, hypocritical Kochsuckers, the entire bunch.
If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're gonna get selfish, ignorant leaders.
George Carlin
Indeed. To the tea party, morality is about conforming to certain standards and worshiping the FreeMarket/Small Government Idol. Who cares is the bulk of America is poor and a small minority keep gaining all the money.
http://teapartyzombiesmustdie.com/
They should be with us at this moment in time, screaming for income and economic equality, but we're the enemy. Rush Limbaugh, Billo, Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck say so.
This is one place where the right has come off with near perfection. They have trained people to have Pavlovian responses to buzz words and phrases. Even to the point of changing their views on things depending on who is in power. Who else would have an emotional response to the word teleprompter?
The edict is barked and the Pavlovian response is achieved. They have rounded up every shallow thinker in the country and made them feel smart.
"Great" editorial comment on OWS Oakland yesterday at the "liberal" SF Chronicle, http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/...
Shorter Chip Johnson: Occupy Oakland members are scuzzy 20-somethings who drink cheap hooch and might someday attack the police. They threaten public safety with a First Aid tent and other ugly squalor. Democracy is only valid when decisions are made by well-groomed lobbyists and politicos in $1,000 suits who know a quality beverage when they see it.
I could look in the Chronicle archives to see if Johnson every said anything negative about the Tea Party, but expect it would be a waste of time. Last year he endorsed the corrupt and incompetent Don Perata for Oakland mayor, California's equivalent of a Lani Davis or Billy Tauzin.
all sick Bigots brought to you by the extreme hate of Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, Billo, Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck, etc. etc.
They thrive on Hate. They believe in Hate. They promote, incite, praise and encourage Hate. Very dangerous indeed, as we are seeing, to a civil society.
"Two Moral Framing Systems in Politics
Conservatives have figured out their moral basis and you see it on Wall Street: It includes: The primacy of self-interest. Individual responsibility, but not social responsibility. Hierarchical authority based on wealth or other forms of power. A moral hierarchy of who is “deserving,” defined by success. And the highest principle is the primacy of this moral system itself, which goes beyond Wall Street and the economy to other arenas: family life, social life, religion, foreign policy, and especially government. Conservative “democracy” is seen as a system of governance and elections that fits this model.
The alternative view of democracy is progressive: Democracy starts with citizens caring about one another and acting responsibly on that sense of care, taking responsibility both for oneself and for one’s family, community, country, people in general, and the planet. The role of government is to protect and empower all citizens equally via The Public: public infrastructure, laws and enforcement, health, education, scientific research, protection, public lands, transportation, resources, art and culture, trade policies, safety nets, and on and on. Nobody makes it one their own. If you got wealthy, you depended on The Public, and you have a responsibility to contribute significantly to The Public so that others can benefit in the future. Moreover, the wealthy depend on those who work, and who deserve a fair return for their contribution to our national life. Corporations exist to make life better for most people. Their reason for existing is as public as it is private."
http://www.nationofchange.org/framing-memo-oc...
http://gothamist.com/2011/10/21/cornel_west_a... Here's another (updated): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=810RbQoNwxA&fe...!
From what I've been seeing and hearing over the past month, as well as the past few years, when someone on the right protests for something they believe in, they're "Patriotic Americans"; but when decent, honorable progressives protest an injustice - usually caused by the so-called "Patriotic Americans", those people are vilified and singled out as something to get rid of.
Some recent examples of this can be found in the right's reaction to the Occupy protests across the country and around the world. "Lonesome Rhodes" Beck has suggested that, in regard to the protesters, there should be a "Night of the Long Knives"-style purging of this country. Guess who he wants to purge?
Likewise, this past September, before the protests began, Andrew Breitbart has basically said of us, "They know that they can only win a rhetorical or propaganda war", followed by this little gem: "We outnumber them, and we have the guns". Guess who he wants to come after in a fight?
So, how do we know that Beck and Breitbart, as well as some in power, such as that punk Eric Cantor, and that insipid evil Allen West, who told his followers to make his opponent in his election campaign "afraid to leave the house", will not try to - even personally - lead these teabaggers right to the scene of the protests and start their little war, even opening fire on people such as us?
Let us now kid ourselves, their followers are not rational, they will not listen to reason, and does anyone recall one of the protest signs from the right, which read, "We came unarmed, this time"? How do we know that they're not itching to start the fight?
We had better be ready for them, should they try anything, that's all I can say.
TheThe biggest difference between the two is the Tea Party rejects Marxism, and the OWS'ers embrace Marxism. It's all good because we have the first Fabian Socialist President, and there are more Fabians running for House, and Senate seats all the time.
I personally know three of the five, or six running for office in 2012. Two of them are from California.
I oversleep ONE DAY and I find out we have a socialist President now? When did this happen?
Obviously you didn't. His father was a Marxist revolutionary. He said he gravitated to Marxist professors in college. Did you think he was a Capitalist?
A Marxist? LOL. You are one funny fucker.
Bite my shiny metal ass.
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"Bless me father for i have sinned. Those crimes that i committed, well, i did 'em again. Empty my soul to empower yours. Lead me blind down the path to salvation's doors."
I'm traveling with two young ladies from the #OWS in New York to Woodruff Park in Atlanta who are classic Marxists, but don't know Karl from Groucho.
They claim to be unimpressed with money, and hate wealth, but got much friendlier when they found a bank statement I accidentally;) dropped on the floor of my RV. I love communist little girls, they're much more fun. Even if they don't know what a communist is.
'stargazzn' is a lying right wing puke!
Read his comments and you see he's a lying SOB.
Besides common sense says he lies and so does the link below .
"Attention Conservatives Trying to Play Guilt-by-Association with Occupy Wall Street: Bring It On
I see the wingnuts are running around trying to tie the Occupy Wall Street movement with Nazis and Communists."
http://firedoglake.com/2011/10/16/attention-c...
Thanks for the warning. Nothing is too underhanded for the wing nuts. They are authoritarians to the bitter end. Reality is their enemy. The end justifies the means. They have no honor, so they have no honor to preserve.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
about all the lying bullshit Holocaust denial crap posted yesterday morning... probably still up? Yep! Followed by some Yankee War of Aggression diatribe. Just figured nobody was bothering to wade out into the venomous spew. But expecting to see it all posted by Breitbart as Journalistic proof positive that the 99% is another steeltoofed Stalinist adjunct of Stormfront... Just IGNORE the lame-ass churl motherfuckers. It's going to get a whole lot worse when these psychotic Nazi scum start coming to the house in taxpayer constable or sheriff deputy uniforms...
Drilling rigs and drug-lords' landsmen lined-up right behind. Stargazzn just pissed-off cause his gubm'nt Chlorpromazine ain't from IG Farben no more.http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/inter...
I've been thinking about the old fable, the grasshopper and the Ant when comparing the two movements...
http://jennyhatch.com/2011/10/20/occupy-wall-street-as-compared-to-the-tea-party-written-by-a-tea-party-organizer/
Jenny Hatch
I'd say the most notable differences between the two is that OWS is angry for reasons that are grounded in reality. Wealth disparity in America has reverted back that which we had during the Gilded age. This rampant wealth disparity is unique to the United States among industrialized nations. The Tea Party has an exaggerated idea of taxes and government, both of which are lower in the US than in other industrialized counterparts.
http://www.obamaftw.com/blog/tea-party/occupy...
If our country is being attacked from within, who are you defending?
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