Pat Toomey says if elected he would end abortion and put doctors in jail
Pat Toomey, the Club for Growth hero has been running to become the Senator from Pennsylvania for a while now and has had Arlen Specter in his cross hairs. James Dobson and the religious right squad have been trying to defeat Specter because they aim to control the Supreme Court and overturn Roe v Wade. Since the republican party has turned into teabaggers, Specter has no shot at winning the republican primary in 2010 so he left that party. Toomey is as an extreme right wing fanatic as they come. Check out his beliefs.
Matthews questions him on some of those beliefs, but Chris already knows them quite well. And why does he have to interrupt him so often? It's so annoying.
Matthews: Are you on the political right?
Toomey: I'm in the center right.
Matthews: Center, well let's ask you about a couple of issues. What do you think about outlawing abortion? Arlen Specter is pro choice, where are you on that one?
Toomey: I'm pro life.
Matthews: Would you like to outlaw abortion?
Toomey: Yea, I'm pro life. I think ahhh...
Matthews: Would you outlaw abortion, would you put people in jail for performing...?
Toomey: I think that Roe v Wade was wrongly defined, wrongly decided and I think states should be free to restrict abortion and I would support legislation in Pennsylvania that would ban abortion and I would suggest that we have penalties for doctors who perform them if we were able to pass that law.
Matthews: Would you put people in jail for perfoming abortions?
Toomey: At some point doctor's performing abortions, I think would be subject to that sort of penalty.
Pat Toomey is trying to make believe that he's a different kind of conservative--pro-birther by saying he endorses Sonia Sotomayor. A leopard still has spots, I think. Here's his op-ed from Philly.com:
If I were a U.S. senator, I would vote for her confirmation, because objective qualifications should matter more than ideology in the judicial confirmation process.
In determining whether a nominee is within the judicial mainstream, we should ask how he or she views the Constitution and whether he or she will administer justice impartially. Too many American judges are making up their own versions of the law rather than faithfully interpreting legal texts. Lawmaking must be reserved for the elected, politically accountable legislative and executive branches. In general, though, Sotomayor's record does not show judicial activism...read on.
That's very kind of him. But he also just loves the deregulation of the financial system so there's that. I'm sure some on the right will not like this column, but will forgive him anyway because he's their big hope in Pennsylvania. However, his views are such that he's unelectable.
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If we have to listen to a fascist at the far wing of the hard right fringe call himself a centrist, and Chrissy Fit doesn't counter him, then why report on fiction?
Matthews embarrasses everyone. He clearly doesn't have the mind capable of anything but gossip. He can't remember what the person in front of him is about, so he let's them drool and then wipes it up for them. Sorry, I won't comment about the idiot again, but it is painful having to even see such nonsense paraded in a public forum. The people watching cable have chosen their torture.
but obviously that got lost somewhere along the way. It's stuck on reporting on TV.
Ugggh
What a strange brew.
... a large portion of the 'news content' on the internet comes from the same place: Associated Press, the networks and their video feeds, 'major' newspapers or dumbed-down crap like USAToday.
What you're thinking of - a vital, independent media - requires:
- new sources
- content that is factual
- net neutrality
"helping people" was way on the bottom list of priorities when "windows" came into the picture.
The law of unintended consequences will come along for "tech" at some point in the future.
It's called getting in the trenches. This is warfare and they most definitely have been winning.
One of their main tools to success has been the corporate MSM. Like it or not, outside of revolution in the streets, the only way to defeat these evil bastards is to deprogram the weak minded. Thus, we need to know what's going on.
Personally, I am greatful for C & L and Media Maatters. They watch these assholes - so I don't have too. But I still know what's going on.
If I were a psychopath, I would join the republican party, and get in on the gravy train taking the Teabircher morons to the cleaners.
It's a good thing he wasn't for single payer, or Chrissy would have identified him immediately as a left wing commie socialist pinko fag lover.
Everyone knows just how kooky liberals are, and how mainstream conservatism is.
If I were a psychopath, I would join the republican party, and get in on the gravy train taking the Teabircher morons to the cleaners.
... automatic legitimacy.
These days, you could go on one of these shows and attest that 2+2=5 and Matthews would bray like he always does.
Because Chris Matthews, like all of these tv pundits, is a preening, narcisistic peacock. Occasionally he really nails someone but usually he's just another self-important talking head.
You really have to be smart to be on TV!
the newsreaders are proof that you don't have to be smart at all... just an opportunist with no integrity who can be bought easily.
... you'd think that, wouldn't you?
I have to say, I've worked with some really top-notch people in news, but I've also worked with a lot of astoundingly vain, dumb, and nasty people, too.
there's a balance in your experience. Unfortunately, there's no such balance on the teevee these days. Just empty-headed, bobbleheads who do the bidding of their corporate-owners. Pathetic and pitiful to anyone who thinks for themselves or has one ounce of personal integrity. Pimps and whores the lot of 'em!
My experience with reporters is that they are typical Americans, intellectually lazy, lack of curiosity, want everything the easy way and really don't care about anything but themselves. I think that sums up at least half our population.
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You have to be really smart not to believe the lies told on TV
...he just has to look good, he doesn't have to be clear.
I pledge allegiance to the Constitution of the United States of America, and to the republic which it established, one nation from many peoples, promising liberty and justice for all
perhaps you just won't be re-elected again, huh?! Now sit down and STFU!
and I would never, ever, never vote for Toomey. What a load of crap. He's a far right corporate shill (what's new?).
How can creeps like Patty say they're for individual rights and vote against a woman's right to control her own body?? How can they say they're 'pro-life' and vote for war profiteering, and against medical research?
"Egotism is the anesthetic that dulls the pain of Stupidity" - Frank Leahy
"How can creeps like Patty say they're for individual rights and vote against a woman's right to control her own body?? How can they say they're 'pro-life' and vote for war profiteering, and against medical research?"
Could not agree more !
No matter how looney these guys are they never want to be identified as far right. Why is that? Are they ashamed of what they are?
Anybody who would vote for somebody who is against regulation of the financial system is crazy unless they work for the financial system. Even then we have seen that they will destroy themselves for a short term million $$$$ gain. The deregulation of the financial system is what destroyed it in the past five or six years. Where is the logic to keep deregulating it? These assholes are the same ones who say it was a mistake to bail out the banks for Christ's sake. So he is against the bank bail out but he is willing to give them the tools to let the banks need it again???? This guy is a dip shit on so many levels. God damn I hate these people.
Captain You are sooooooo Right on
Ya mean he's with these guys?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDk_ZfYuyfY
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
What will be the jail sentence for a woman getting an abortion ?
What sentence for a spontaneous miscarriage?
I can hear it now:
"She was exercising too much"
"She didn't eat right"
"She didn't take prenatal vitamins"
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These far right wing types would make women into baby warehouses.
The very idea that they know better what a woman should or should not do is an insult to all women.
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
Act of Dog.
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Diabolus est Deus Inversus
... if it's either consistent with a murder conviction, or the day when these White Christian thugs will deem it their divine mandate to force a woman to carry a child to term.
Just to drag her outside the hospital or clinic and stone her death.
"When are we going to stop trying to tell elected officials what to do. Our job is to spend the taxpayers' money the best way we can." -- Tommy Watkins, Justice of the Peace, Crawford County, Arkansas
Spectre stinks but Toomey stinks more
Before enlightenment - chop wood, carry water. After enlightenment - chop wood, carry water.
"...faithfully interpreting legal texts..."
Isn't the internal logic inconsistent?
Additionally, even if justices in effect declare a new right, it's usually based on precedent, since we are a common law country, not civil like France as this goober seems to believe.
And the judges don't make a new amendment or statute in their decision, although they add to the case law history.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Toomey was also championing gun rights while a member of his constituency was about to enter a gym and kill three people with a gun, injuring many others, and then turning the gun on himself.
I've seen some stuff, man. And some thangs...
I favor a woman's right to an abortion (after much soul searching and next to no help from feminists) but, if you honestly think that abortion is murder, which the religious right to all appearances sincerely believes, then throwing doctors in jail for performing them is a perfectly logical position. When anti-abortion advocates step back from jail time, I have seen Atrios and others attack them as hypocrites. When they logically follow their beliefs they are attacked as fanatics. I think they're wrong but you could just as easily say that when they step back they are being compassionate and when they follow through they are being principled. It simply depends on your prejudice.
Besides, right-wing extremist aren't really your problem. They're a relatively small minority and they're never going to change. It's the sizeable plurality that wants some significant restriction on abortion w/o banning it altogether who are your problem because they obviously have something resembleing a nuanced or mushy position (again, take your pick) and are therefore the ones who are potentially persuadable. If you can get them in your corner the righties will be just a bunch of self-pitying whiners with no juice who will go crying to Jesus.
"They're a relatively small minority and they're never going to change."
I think they might get worse. UGH!
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
If they get worse they'll wind up alienating even more poeple and actually drive them into our corner. Worse is better and better is worse. Take that Geo Orwell!
I think toomey is just another ignorant fing republican scum!
republicanism is a mental illness!
while i can't vote in the dem primary in PA, if i could i would throw all of my support behind joe sestak. the dem establishment support of arlen specter is a perfect encapsulation of everything that is wrong with the democratic party.
and toomey... jesus, what a fucking looney. everything we know about the economy, foreign policy... well, everything should scream at us that pat toomey and his corporate-favoring POV is a danger to the country.
yet, if arlen wins the primary i think i will vote for a 3rd party candidate.
"At some point doctor's performing abortions, I think would be subject to that sort of penalty."
Whatever happened to "government shouldn't come between patient and doctor"? Fucking hypocrite.
Excellent point!
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
The guvment is not to come between them and their lives not you and your life. The guvment is not to take their guns from them so they can be free to shoot up critters and and librul Uniterians and such, but the guvment can take away a woman's right to choose and a gay couple's right to marry.
I truly loathe these right wing family values fanatic hypocrites. When is God going to call them all home? Please get to it dear Lord!
Yeah, I love how they talk about the rapture like it's a bad thing for the rational thinkers on this planet. Go ahead, take them all up. Then we won't have to worry about abortion providers being murdered, people like Dobson and Robertson spouting off their big mouths about politics, etc.
Yeah, and after the rapture's over we get their cars and houses!
Not that I would have any use for a mobile home and a monster truck.
With confederate flag stickers...
Where will they free up the jail space? Are they going to end their expensive, murderous drug war first?
You can't get any more un-American than these right wing Christofascist Mullahs. Our forefathers are turning over in their graves.
Toomey stands no chance of taking Pittsburgh and Philadelphia as wells as a significant portion of the rest of the state which means this extremist right wing clown has no chance of winning in the general election no matter who wins the Dem primary which means we could be rid of both Specter and this mullah once and for all.
Right wingers insist if the government gets involved with any aspect of health care, it intrudes on our personal rights...yet why do they want to have the government control a woman's reproductive rights?
Many of these righties also want to ban birth control, as well as sex education.....
It all boils down to fundamentalist Christians trying to force their hatred of civil liberties on others..
they love the children, except for any child of color, and especially if that kid wants to swim in the pool.... that's this guy....
the pie in the sky when you die is a lie.
If there's any doctor that should be jailed it's the one who brought this right wing zealot into the world.
Sure he sounds tough, I'll put doctors in jail.
He won't go near putting the females in jail that seek out abortion.
Its like I've heard before, if a man could get pregnant, abortion would be most available and free.
Yet we know the afluent would travel where they could for their abortion. The Medical Tourism is in full bloom.
I'd like to see this insecure little man pull that one off.
If this nutcase cares so much about children then I wonder how much he'd donated to charity and youth groups to keep them out of trouble... oh wait, Republicans stop giving a shit about people once they clear the outer labia don't they?
If he looks like a piece of shit, if he smells like a piece of shit, then there is only one conclusion.
He's caviar?
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
I'd eat him with a little dob of sour cream on some flat bread, followed with a shot of vodka, so we would not longer have to tolerate him.
The United States Supreme Court ruled that it's not a state issue and such law would be unconstitutional. Dumbass.
Remeber, many of these right wing fundamentalist Christians have only distain for the Constitution- they feel the document me must follow is their Bible-and they think those who do not blindly obey the Bible 'hate freedom'...
I'm starting to think that they know they cannot overule the constitution and they know that it's not an issue they can change. Subjects such as this only exist in their rethoric to keep their base loyal. And so is racism against anything not white and other things.
Of wingnuts saying that theyre 'center-right' because they dont have the balls to call themselves right-wingers.
In Philly there's one radio talk show host who wont shut up about how 'center-right' he is and just absolutely gets his hate on for Obama, Clinton, Pelosi, Reid, and ANYTHING Democrat. He was talking about Mark Sanford and said that he shouldnt resign just because he was having an affair (which I agree with, he should resign because he abandoned his post for a week without telling anyone), and then talks about other politicians who've had affairs. That's right...every single person he listed was a Democrat. He even went all the way back to Gary Hart, rather than naming a single Republican.
He's a far right politician, but he works to define his views as center.
When was the last time we saw a politician on the far left allowed to air their views and frame their views as center? Without challenge by the moderator.
But also when was the last time a centrist like Kucinich was allowed to go on the air and claim he is a centrist? The only views allowed on tv are hard right and far right extremists.
How ridiculous he sounds, just like the other anti-choice nuts when they spew the nonsense that they spew. After all, they don't deal in facts, they deal in religious nonsense.
My invisible guy is better than your invisible guy. Because of your religious crap millions of people have been murdered, and your okay with that but the right for a women to have a choice -well that's a problem for you narrow minded subhuman hypocrites.
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This man is a member of the White Penis Party. He's garbage and as such -- he's unelectable.
The American people are getting a bit weary of this group's misogynistic bullshit.
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"These conservtards want their state's rights so they can ban abortion, stop the gay's from marrying and teach their gospel in the schools. That wall Thomas Jefferson spoke about... forget it. Hell even Roger Williams got tired of their fanatic discrimination and took off to what is now Rhode Island and Providence Plantations. I'm sure you'll find some honest individuals here whom will confirm my remarks though they may put them in a different context accordingly."
Study the symptoms not the virus...
Funny how these insane Christianic loons are equal to their Islamic collesgues in every way, isn't it?
Pat Toomey is a terrorist sympathizer.
Toomey may be awful, but he so scared the bejesus out of Arlen Spector that the speck switched parties. That should scare the crap out of all of us!
When men start carrying babies in their wombs, they can comment on the abortion issue. Until that time, they should shut up. It's a lot easier to walk away from a crying baby when your only contribution has been a sperm than it is to leave when you have carried baby for nine months. If Toomey thinks that the decision to have an abortion is an easy one, he is a poor excuse for a human being. Why must we be plagued by people like him who want to tell us how to lead our own lives?
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How about if we outlaw guns and put him in jail instead? Never mind if owning guns is a lawful right or not -- we'll just do what we want to do.
Because every gun owner is an insane Republican...
If you would have asked me ten years ago if I would ever vote for Specter, I would have offered a polite, but firm, no. In a short decade, the Republican party has become so strangely insane that Specter actually seems almost reasonable at this point though. Don't get me wrong, I'm no fan of Specter at all, but, if the choice is between Specter and this guy, I wouldn't feel too guilty at all about throwing a vote Specter's way. I just can't believe it's come this far.
He is pro-birth. Because to men like him, who will never need an abortion, the woman isn't a 'life', but a blastocyst is.
Women should just start dropping off unwanted kids at his residence.
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