PA's John Eichelberger says homosexual relationships are dysfunctional
By John Amato Friday Jun 26, 2009 8:00am
Isn't it always the same with these homophobes? They say that their words are taken out of context when they are criticized for their remarks.
Abby: Marty, Sen. Eichelberger tells me his radio debate over same sex marriage was taken out of context and he adds that the group that's demanding an apology is making it difficult for people on both sides of the issue to have a proper discussion.
Host: But are you saying Sen. Eichelberger that by their very nature, homosexual relationships are dysfunctional?
Eichelberger Um, yes, I guess I would say that.
Nice try with the out-of-context canard. PA's (R) John Eichelberger really has people mad over his radio debate and rightly so. (h/t Ben)
Sen.John Eichelberger, R-Pa., is making headlines after a gay rights advocacy group claims he made some controversial comments.The Keystone Progress claims Eichelberger called same-sex couples "dysfunctional" and "we're allowing them to exist."Eichelberger debated Sen. Daylin Leach, D-Pa., on WHYY radio Friday.Both senators have dueling bills on same-sex marriage in the State Legislature.Leach wants to amend the Pennsylvania ban on same sex marriage to give same sex couples full and equal rights.
Eichelberger says his bill will define marriage between a man and a woman."There's no reason to encourage that kind of behavior in Pennsylvania," Eichelberger said. "That's my whole point. We don't have any reason to change the way we do business here. There is no evidence that this will be good for our society."...read on
He plays the "destruction of society" card. They never tell you how gay marriage will destroy society though, do they?
Eichelberger said in this interview, ''[This is] not an anti-homosexual bill.''
If despite that, you're still somehow convinced that Mr. Integrity First is "anti-homosexual," you'll be happy to know that he believes in allowing teh gays to exist!
You can sign a petition at Keystone Progress here.
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I read a sci fi book called Forever War by Joe Haldeman. In the book the government promoted homosexuality as a birth control method.
I love it!:)
a vast majority of Republicans are dysfunctioal..Ensign, Sanford, Craig et al. The gentleman needs to go to Merriam Webster and check his definations!
The repubs and the Iranian 'selected leaders' have a great deal in common...a tortured relationship with the truth to start!
What about flying to Argentina to cheat on your wife?
Isn't that dysfunctional?
No, flying to Argentina to cheat on your wife is not dysfunctional-- because marriage should only be between a woman, a man, and his mistresses (or, in the case of some "traditional family values" politicians, whoever he meets in an airport bathroom, a gay prostitute, or any other male lover).
Allowing same-sex couples to marry is an abomination and would demean the institution of marriage and threaten society as we know it.
Except if you're not gay I doubt you want to do things with another man's body parts. Very misguided.
Or do you think it would/might work for you? Hmmm...
... which Haldeman wrote years later, called "Forever Peace." (I haven't read it.)
I got it but haven't read it.
It Happens. Society gets stressed and people opt out of traditional roles/responsibilities.
Is that what happened to me?
Wouldn't that also solve the abortion problem too?
You think these pro-lifers would team up with homosexuals... 'Cause who has less abortions than homosexuals? You'd think they'll make natural allies.
Good one! I have yet to hear of a pregnant lesbian getting an abortion. When a lesbian gets pregnant, it is always a planned pregnancy; the child is always wanted. Can't say that about every pregnant heterosexual woman.
It's obvious that the only thing keeping Eichelberger and his ilk from assuming a gay lifestyle are the current benefits afforded to traditional married couples. Why else would they be so sure that giving gay couples these benefits would result in a mass migration away from traditional marriage and the subsequent destruction of society as we know it?
Seems they view the gay lifestyle as pretty darn attractive if they expect such a mass migration, no?
This sounds like the argument the repubs are making against public option healthcare. It's a terrible thing for everyone but if it happens everyone will want to be a part of it.
Nope, makes no sense at all.
Wife gets bored and has affair and or dumps husband, husband gets screwed over by the courts and forced to hand over all of the joint assets and to pay more than he earns, if cant pay then go to jail.
Its hard to see the attraction of 'normal' marriage for men.
I can't see how a normal marriage in the case of Gov. Sanford is somehow better for his sons and wife at this point.
aren't gays the new axis of evil? won't they take over the world, make ever thing neater and nicer, you know, decorate? or did i get the wrong pamphlet? i'm so confused.
Get everything color coordinated?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icIwKaci3MI
"Oh be nice."
Wow, "we're allowing them to exist.", just wow.
Hey f*^%tard, I could say the same about your whole moronic base but I wouldn't as that would be kind of wrong and inhumane.
It's the same old song with most Repukes, homosexuals bad, no matter their status or well how educated/well adjusted they are. F*^%tard, drug/alcoholic, dumbf*%! trailer trash hetersexual, ok.
You are allowed to exist; which shows you live in a better society than you would create you f*%!*n mofo.
are rabid nazi eugenicists, they would kill all dissenters if they could get away with it.
Look to South America and its history of CIA inspired atrocities for what Repugs commit by proxy, and yearn to do here.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/26/opinion/26t...
... as
the world mourns the passing of the King of PopGovernor Mark Sanford is exposed as a two-timing hypocritical piece of slime reduced to begging and crying in regards to his Argentinian mistress is just amazing.Of course, given that traditional white Christian values have been so essential to our country's history, to hear it, we can pretty much blame all of society's problems on the people who are busy telling us how godly they are.
I have never fully understood the motivation of Republicans when it comes to gays. Is it just it makes them uncomfortable to think about two men together? For the most part it doesn't make them uncomfortable to think of two women together unless they know them and then its all about how it reflects on them. There are those that believe that somehow god will punish them, and the country as a whole if gays are tolerated and excepted. In a somewhat twisted way I almost have respect for that argument if that is really what someone believes. Not enough of those people get to express that thought because it sound so silly and doesn't sell well to the masses. Of all the problems in this world the idea of to people of the same sex marring and living together is just silly to try to stop it and waste all that time and energy over.
That didn't stop a certain recent POTUS or somebody else senior in the White House from having a male gay escort regularly (and stay overnight) visit posing as a WH lobby corespondent.
Ray,
You are onto something there. I have always wondered, too, why they seem so obsessed with gay men-- they don't single out lesbians (maybe because hetero men are turned on by the idea of two women together; if not, why would so much of porn show two women engaged in sex acts). And Leviticus 20:13 (King James version) states: "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them." It doesn't say anything about a woman lying with "womankind."
Speaking of the Leviticus passage, I've also noticed that people focus on the part about the act being an "abomination," but never talk about "put[ting] to death" the offenders. If they truly believe the Bible is the word of God and that we should follow what it says, why don't they advocate the death penalty for gays? Even they realize how crazy that sounds, so they simply neglect to quote the entire passage.
we allow knucklehead Republican bigots to exist???
Why not homosexuals who want to be married and be productive citizens and pay taxes and raise loving children and improve their communities. and be faithful to their partners...???
Well, the gay people I know are already productive citizens and pay taxes. Maybe that's their problem; they need to follow the philosophy of Thoreau and not pay taxes as a form of protest- until they are given the same rights as their straight counterparts.
I'd love to relate the story of my childhood to this SOB. I can tell him all about dysfunctional. My father and mother were god fearing christians. He was an alcoholic of the worst type and she was a enabler to his alcoholism. But thank goodness they weren't gay and loved me and raised me in a calm loving caring secure home.
Yes, my last sentence is a snark.
..a neanderthal republican thinks? He's going to be out on his ass in the next election like all the other Gop-ers. Personally, I think
Marriage should be banned and replaced with civil unions for all. After all, marriage in its traditional sense is merely an exchange of property or so the bible sez'.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPLrXFw76Qg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3P6I4pT_tVA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXOYzIWsDQU&fe...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOgv-UuTgac
disingenuous regarding homosexuality in humans.
Any scientist worth his/her salt knows that homosexuality in humans AND in the animal kingdom has been documented throughout all of recorded history.
Being gay/lesbian is NORMAL for these individuals! It is blatantly obvious to anyone with a brain in their heads that gays/lesbians are BORN THAT WAY!!! One doesn't just "wake up" one morning and decide they're going to be gay!
Something like 12% of the entire human population is gay/lesbian! It crosses all boundaries! There are gay Chinese, gay Venezuelans, gay French (oo-la-la!!), gay Russians, gay Japanese and yes Sen. Eichelberger...THERE ARE GAY AMERICANS! THERE ARE GAY PENNSYLVANIANS!! SOME OF YOUR CONSTITUENTS ARE GAY!
Here's a little blurb about homosexuality in the animal kingdom:
http://www.shortnews.co.uk/start.cfm?id=8145
But people like Sen. Eichelberger are so entrenched in their "tunnel vision" thinking that they can't even realize that humans are completely linked to the animal kingdom!
I am beginning to think Republicans like Sen. Eichelberger are deranged. Mentally ill. There has to be some mental illness for these people. Many of them seem to have it. Bachmann, Graham, McCain, Sanford and on and on and on.
I just hope it's not "catching"!
To have the phrase "we're allowing them to exist" just roll right off your tongue is surely a symptom of this illness of which your write. Sounds like the same illness Hitler had.
Oh crap, I had to go and type that..
of his flocks mental illness.
Who cares, its consenting adults doing what they wish, with who they wish.
While I agree with you in principle, I must quibble about your use of the term 'normal'. Homosexuality is not normal. Neither is left-handedness, or blond hair for that matter. It's NATURAL -- occurring in nature.
I have this argument with people all the time! I have come up with the perfect way to shut them down. Whenever someone tells me it's a choice I simply ask them when it was that they decided to be straight. Their response is usually "I didn't choose to be straight, I just am!". The "got me" look on their faces usually tells me that I don't have to finish my point!
EXXXACTLY. You are a wise person.
I've known all my life. I suppose, back when I was about 7 I realized I had more interest in boys. Girls were fun to skip with though: double dutch, rocky, jolly, pepper.
Oh, yeah, hop-scotch too. I spend hours/days/weeks trying to make the perfect toss thingy.
wow it never ends with these people. judging others on how they want/choose to live their lives. the "land of the free". hypocrite better yet how dysfunctional. i'm out here off to lake tahoe.
... it's not just on the right. On the other side, we have the people who like to opine on how well the rest of us meet their exacting standards for a green lifestyle.
have a lot of the "holier than thou" attitude as well.
Animals rights boils down to ethics, if we are going to eat creatures, then the least we can do is treat them slightly ethically. And certain animals have brains that are comparable to ours, eating them is wrong on many counts.
When you start living with cats/ferrets/dogs there comes a point when you see personality, there is awareness there.
Fri, 06/26/2009 - 10:02 — Ferrofluid
Animals rights boils down to ethics, if we are going to eat creatures, then the least we can do is treat them slightly ethically. And certain animals have brains that are comparable to ours...
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That's tasty in scrambled eggs.
sorry, but this is a terrible comparison
Most relationships are dysfunctional, period.
...there are dysfunctional people who are not having sex and/or relationships at all.
Why does anyone care who, how and what other consenting adults screw?
I honestly don't get it.
"My dear, I don't care what they do, as long as they don't do it in the street and frighten the horses."
-- Attributed to Mrs. Patrick Campbell
... if you cast doubt on things like Biblical Creation and the whole 'abomination' thing from Leviticus, it undermines their fragile little worldview of a White Christian Paradise presided over by a white guy who probably looks nothing like Christ (if, in fact, Christ existed at all).
Can't have that, can we?
They believe some strange stuff, and its not very compatible with each other or the bible.
Some believe in god the father and jesus the son, others believe jesus was god on earth, which is incompatible with biblical scripture/texts.
Of course I doubt a lot of their believers know the finer details of their creeds, some of the surveys show much ignorance.
They are truly sheeple.
Religion can be very amusing yet also dangerous as in Iran/Saudi, and also parts of the US.
It seems that the DHS has coopted a lot of priests/pastors into some DHS program, whether this is for propaganda distribution purposes or some form of mobilization under martial law, or both, who knows.
their belief system on a book made up "by committee" by some equally bigoted goat herders in the desert a few thousand years ago... hilarity is bound to ensue.
That almost looks like the makings of TV sitcom.
At least I credit them for not wearing funny hats in public like them Catholics.
I. Of Faith in the Holy Trinity
There is but one living and true God, everlasting, without body, parts, or passions; of infinite power, wisdom, and goodness; the Maker, and Preserver of all things both visible and invisible. And in unity of this Godhead there be three Persons, of one substance, power, and eternity; the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost.
II. Of the Word or Son of God, which was made very Man
The Son, which is the Word of the Father, begotten from everlasting of the Father, the very and eternal God, and of one substance with the Father, took Man's nature in the womb of the blessed Virgin, of her substance: so that two whole and perfect Natures, that is to say, the Godhead and Manhood, were joined together in one Person, never to be divided, whereof is one Christ, very God, and very Man; who truly suffered, was crucified, dead and buried, to reconcile his Father to us, and to be a sacrifice, not only for original guilt, but also for all actual sins of men.
http://www.ask.com/bar?q=39+articles&page=1&q...
(The 39 Articles I-II)
http://www.ask.com/bar?q=nicene+creed&page=1&...
http://www.ask.com/bar?q=athanasian+creed&pag...
What's odd is comparing them to:
Matthew 6:7
But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen [do]: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
(KJV)
There are all kinds of references in the Bible that suggest that one's worship of God is to be a private, personal matter. There's nothing to suggest that we are to build megachurches.
Matthew 6:5 a couple of verses above the one cited.
Of an elephant sticking its truck through a second floor bedroom window.
Adulterous marriages in which the husband is screwing around on the wife with some other woman, skipping Father's Day or taking showers with a friend or co-workers wife are dysfunctional relationships. When will wingnuts understand that they do not sit on some mountaintop to judge other human beins for their life styles. Ignorance angers me.
Why is "out of context" a get out of jail pass? Why don't journalists phone these people and say "what the hell is the context, then?" What are the words wrapping this sentiment that could possibly make it mean anything other than what we understood it to?
Not just this tool, but all of 'em. O'Reilly, Rush, Beck. Why can't we ask them what this context was?
If John Eichelberger slaps you in the face, then says, "I didn't slap you in the face," that makes it okay.
See how simple?
As a republican, Mr. Eichelberger will slap your face while saying "why do you make me slap you in the face?"
See Republicans love to blame the victim, and make them the victimizers. In their sick and twisted mind they are the victims... that is why they sleep so well at night, in their certainty that they are doing the "right" thing.
That is how, Christians in America... who are the majority and are the ones doing all the discrimination against other people can, with a straight face, act like they were the ones being persecuted. Besides the obvious projection, it allows them to do the American thing of having their cake (be the majority) and eat it too (reap the "benefits" of being the victimized minority).
You, sir, are a formidable opponent.
... in which members of the GOP seem to be involved. I assume MR. Eichelberger will also make sure the GOP's behavior is not encouraged in Pennsylvania. You know to be consistent and to keep the specter of hypocrisy from looming over such comments, right? Right?
All intimate relationships are more or less dysfunctional.
Oh heck were all dysfunctional.Forget average normal whatever.We are all screwed up one way or another.Some of get to screwed up in a delightful eccentric way, while others get a darker more maniacal weirdness.I do believe that is the curse/blessing of being human.
I can't stand these idiots, they spew some bigotry and then when they are called on it they say "I'm not a bigot, you took it out of context" but the sad fact is that the Repulican party is more then happy to discriminate against people for no good reason, that would be bigotry!
So for all the right-wing bigots out there I say: Screw You!
Not to bore you with ancient philosophy, but the Republicans see 'strife' as a necessary and useful force in the world. They tend to support 'competition' as supreme over 'cooperation', as a direct result.
Any bets on how long it will be before this jackass is caught in a Pa. Turnpike restroom stall with little Ricky Santorum and an "unnamed dog?"
While I am quite certain that the hatred of homosexuals is a direct result of mistranslated and misunderstood passages of the Bible, the fact remains that the evangelicals (a major portion of the so-called Republican 'base') believe that God will cause harm to the USA if we support homosexuality. This, of course, is how they read the story of Sodom and Gamorrah.
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From Wiki:
In Ezekiel 16:48-50 God compares Jerusalem to Sodom, saying "Sodom never did what you and your daughters have done." He explains that the sin of Sodom was that "She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty and did detestable things before me." God then sent an angel to rain hell fire and brimstone down on Sodom and Gomorrah.
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So here we have the Bible telling us what the 'sin' of Sodom was -- unconcerned, overfed, haughtiness, arrogance...not helping the poor and needy. Where are all the Republicans claiming that God is going to strike us all down for these things?
As for the term 'dysfunctional' -- an interesting choice of words. If we agree (which I do not) that the function of marriage and sex is to beget children, then any marriage or sexual act which is incapable of producing children is, by definition, dysfunctional. But, that also includes women who are beyond the age of 40-45ish who have dropped their last egg, infertile couples, or people who marry with no intent whatsoever to have children.
but I'm not demanding that alcohol be banned. I'm tired of these people who think their opinions have to be law.
My dad was a politician. Back then it was stated that 68% of the political families were "dysfunctional"...which, in our case and in the case of other friends whose dads' was a politician that is a true statement. 68%! So...whats the big deal with Queers (proper British name that is accepted in their community ie: Queer eye for....)???
The most dangerous and dysfunctional families in America (and,believe me...we never looked like it) are politicians families. Adultry. Drugs! Booze! Secret abortions! Bribes! Pay offs! Corruption! Cheating at golf! Nothing is more dysfunctional than the "LYING" political community. Eichelberger is just another dysfunctional American politician. And, what's worse, is he is a republicant. That's to the power of 10. Screw the talk about other dysfunctionals...Any of 'em!
Republican politicians are the worse and need to be replaced with leaders.
Jack Flash
Does he have first hand account of how dysfunctional they are.
I'm not gay. So I don't have a damn clue what there relationships are about.
I would like to know though how he knows so much about gay relationships.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIHZDo9NBMk
You hit the nail right on the head.
If you're in a relationship yourself, then gay relationships are about the same thing.
Eichelberger, is a very large name around here, lots of businesses with that name.
They stand out in the light of day, they are concerned compassionate citizens, but at night they turn into pitch fork carrying, witch burning, mobs of destruction. Only when the lights go out and when your not looking. They are evil, they will go to no end. They need rounded up and removed from society before they can damage any other.
Hey Dude...I've got it first hand that the Eichelberger family is "rightously DYSFUNCTIONAL". My old man said he helped "bail you out.....a couple of times...." Dude..Don't throw the stones... Or Led Zepplin is comin' back! Bad boy...bad boy...ha-ha-ha-.....we'll tell your wife. You're brude is a dysfunctional, demon-sucking Christian group of hipocrits. Maybe your daughter knows more...Let's ask her........hmmmmmm
Mick
relationships that end up in divorce are dysfunctional.
Hater.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqIIeGmhL2Q&fe...
Is Gov. Sanford gay?
but this guy is from the same state as Jon & Kate, the heterosexual couple with eight small children and a 'reality' TV show who are now divorcing and dragging their kids through the publicity of the aftermath. There's probably no room for gay stuff because these folks are taking up all the room....
Yes - Gov. Sanford is Gay (Gay as a 'Goose!!)- note inflections in his lil' ol' Suthen Belle speech- YET- he has spawned offspring, diligently and dutifully! And again- yet- He, hasn't fully come to terms with the 'enormity of it all'. Giv'im a break.... Yet all these issues are seething and squirming in the 'psyche' of all these 'denialists', and there appears nothing to tell them of their own appropriate psychosis!! Gawd bless em'AWL!! (Surely that of that sweet Graham 'cracker') Gotta Luv'em!!
This guy is a joke. Talk about dysfuntional buddy, just look in your own parties backyard. How many married politicians have cheated on their wives and just admitted to it because the were on the verge of getting caught? Really it doesn't matter which party they are with but the republican party runs on family values. The democrats have family values but don't make it a point to have that as a top priority. I know the dem's have cheaters too but come on you republicans are more dysfunctional than any group. Your good at saying do as I say, not as do. Get over yourself. Really I don't know why anyone wants to get married today. But gay people want the same as straights. They should be able to have it. Republicans need to stop trying to run everyoneelses life and straight out their own.
Because they don't have to - it's so obvious! Do you even watch the news? If THEY were given a choice, do you think any Repug would be in a normal, hetrosexual, joined-at-the-hip-for-life bonding? They're afraid of what will happen to society if everyone could do in public what THEY do in private!
YES, I WATCH THE NEWS. AND I STAND BY WHAT I SAID.
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