This ad will make you sick
By Julia Rosen Wednesday Apr 08, 2009 6:00pmMarriage equality is gaining momentum across America.
On Friday, the Iowa Supreme Court -- by a unanimous ruling -- made marriage equality the law of the land. Then the Vermont legislature overturned their Governor's veto of a marriage equality bill by a two-thirds margin on Tuesday.
And now the religious right is responding with a national TV ad filled with fear about a same-sex marriage "storm" gathering across the country.
This morning, the "National Organization for Marriage" launched a disturbing ad using actors to push lies claiming that marriage equality threatens personal freedoms. The ad is going up on the airwaves across America as NOM seeks to build what they are calling a "rainbow coalition" against equality.
We need your help to fight back right now against this deplorable ad. With many legal experts expecting the California Supreme Court to uphold Prop 8, our only option will be to place an initiative on the ballot to restore marriage equality. To repeal Prop 8, we will need to build a grassroots army for change in every county of California.
In response, the Dolby Family is challenging the Courage Campaign to raise $25,000 as a matching grant to fund Camp Courage trainings for marriage equality activists.
While NOM's TV ad uses actors to portray false victims, Camp Courage is mobilizing real people to speak from their heart, door-to-door across California.
Modeled on the "Camp Obama" training events that helped propel President Obama into the White House, Camp Courage uses the "Story of Self" to transform personal experiences -- each participant's unique inspiration for supporting marriage equality -- into compelling and authentic narratives that can persuade undecided voters.
Can you help us respond to these lies and distortions by turning fear into hope? Watch this despicable TV ad now and then contribute to support more Camp Courage trainings by helping us meet this generous $25,000 matching grant from the Dolby Family -- thus doubling their amazing donation.
(full-disclosure: I work for the Courage Campaign)
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As advertised, my stomach is turning. These people have no shame.
Where exactly in the bible is THIS kind of behavior condoned? You'd think it was The Big Book of Homosexual Sin by the way these people act, instead of a book that has almost nothing to say on the subject.
where they draw the line isn't it? Greed is good, bombing innocent civilians is alright, torture is fine, people losing their jobs and homes is Ok, but two people of the same sex want to marry and they are evil and immoral and they cannot in any way shape or from have the same rights that everyone else has. I couldn't imagine someone in America telling me that I cannot have the same freedoms that they enjoy.
And I've yet to hear a plausible explanation of how exactly gay marriage affects any other marriage... including anything I heard in this commercial.
me scratch my head too. I don't understand how either.
Because it totally makes sense.
How does someone else's marriage affect mine? It doesn't unless directly involved.
"They want to tell me who I can marry" - suddenly they've turned it into their tool. A LIE - what they want it as their tool.
and thepugilist sums up my feelings exactly. These people are sick.
RUNNNNN!!!!!
Oh man that is so how (they) perceive the world!!!
HA HA HA HA HA HA!
(they) This time we know who 'they' is.
I hope there's enough Depends to go around!
BUT! they're also goin to redecorate everyone's homes!
Make everyone drink flavored coffees, and worst of all...force all the manly men to eat....QUICHE!
The horror!!!! The horror!
Equal rights for some Americans.OK. gotcha.
truly is a sick and shameless add. I cannot imagine what gay people in this country have to go through on a daily basis. The level of hatred against them is off the charts. The tide is turning though and soon these people will be looked at like the bigots that they are.
Many of us lead relatively normal lives, however I myself do fear violence at times even though I live in a pretty damn liberal city because I have been verbally accosted several times just by holding my partner's hand or having my arm around her.
I live in KY, so I don't see us getting marriage rights for a LOOOOONG time. I mean, my state is responsible for electing Mitch McConnell.
Kentucky, yeah that's a tough one there. Even though you lead normal lives, doesn't it just make you sad as hell that you cannot have the same rights as me? It's down right disgusting. Having to fear physical violence in your own country, effed up. The tide is turning though and soon this battle will be won.
My sis lives there, and she has gay and lesbian friends, and she tells me similar stories.
Damn shame that people can't mind their own business.
that these people think their religion, society and culture is so weak and lame that it can't withstand the onslaught of same-sex marriage. It's either that or their faith is lacking.
and the power to control others and prevent them from experiencing the freedoms that they enjoy.
... and that is very disturbing to me.
It seems to me that the potential for mockery is high.
"Those people want to be happy! STOP THEM!"
How exactly does allowing me and my partner equal rights (property, hospital visits, adoption etc.) in anyway infringe upon anyone else's rights? I mean, if you don't like gay-marriage, don't enter into one!
I didn't know whether to laugh our loud or scream at the absurdity of this ad.
These people are insane..... and anti-family to boot!
are destroying healthcare by needlessly wasting valuable resources? Afterall, they will be healed by their faith according to the Gospels. If they would quit wasting healthcare dollars, everyone else could be fully covered. And, there would be nobody bitching about gays visiting their partners who were in hospital having their secular treatment.
It's ok for you folks to have a opinion, but let a opposite view point be spoken you have a fit. I believe that no matter how far you take this Gay & Lesbian crusade, you still want be happy. Prop 8 is the law of the land, so live with it.
Should stoning pits be constructed outside city limits to kill disobedient children or should we love one another? Should restaurant staff be killed for working on the Sabbath after they serve church members or should we instead abandon our families and do as the followers of a 2,000 year old Jewish zombie?
How about that "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" bit?
Let's just do away with government recognition of ANY so-called marriages, then, OK? Sure, you can go ahead and have your favorite minister recognize your 'marriage' if you want - that's a religious decision, not the government's business. But no more special recognition on a legal level for you!
Because, after all, if you believe in the Bible, you wouldn't want to receive preferential treatment, right?
to me the bible is the worst weapon invented by man.
But isn't it comforting to know that we now live in a society where women, blacks and other races and ethnic minorities get to be narrow-minded, reactionary assholes too? Truly we have come a long way.
Contrary to popular belief among our kind, white men have never had a monopoly on assholism.
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you can watch the audition tape for this ad at youtube.
it really pulls the rug out from underneath the phony actors
they have telling their "stories".
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good onya
...between giving up my morning latte and selling out my personal beliefs on national television."
You would think that if so many people are so worried about gay marriage actors wouldn't be necessary.
IMHO, same-sex couples should get married and suffer just like everybody else. ;o}
Sidebar: In contract law, NOM = No Oral Modification.
More phony advocacy by actors. They aren't even good actors. Most stumble over their lines. Bunch of amateurs off the street.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwqNFBt33o4
"You people should consider yourselves lucky that I'm granting you an audience tomorrow instead of 20 years from now" - The Wizard of Oz
My gay doctor is not allowed to discriminate against heterosexual couples for any reason, including religion. So what is the model/actor/doctor from LA sniveling about? She's not special, even if she is a model/actor/doctor/concerned citizen/professional liar.
because she doesn't believe in abortion.
My advice to her is, if you're uncomfortable with women's issues, don't be a woman's doctor, be a pediatrician or general practice or any number of occupations you've been trained for.
You mean there really are states where a doctor doesn't get to substitute his/her religious values for my medical needs? Because I was under the impression that no doctor can be forced to prescribe the morning after pill, or to perform abortions.
And WTH would same-sex marriage have to do with morning after pills anyway?
That is one thing (of many) about the religious right that chaps my ass.
They've got no right to dictate to a woman whether or not she should have an abortion, or birth control.
Ironically, these same bigoted medical practioners may be disrespecting a woman's religion by denying her birth control if her religious beliefs permit it and teach that is a matter of her conscience.
Plus doctors take an oath... If religious issues gets in the way of a doctor's practice of medicine, the doctor is free to leave medical practice if he or she feels so strongly.
Have you ever seen such ugliness?
Did no one notice the fact that the end of the ad had a black man speaking about hope? They're trying to capitalize on Obama by getting some random black guy to talk like him and encourage support for their campaign. Very insidious.
About as subtle as hiring Steele. "A rainbow coalition of..." white Evangelicals and white Corporatists.
What I thought was more insidious was the "gathering storm" of religious fascists ready to join a Holy War to defeat the Infidels.
I saw what they were doing with Barack "Who is Insane" Obama. The first time he step into the public eye. The approval ratings for Congress was worse than, Bushes was, so they had to pull a rabbit out of their hat. Martin L. King Jr, is and always will be the leader of Black people. Oh yah MLK, was a Republican.
"We're not saying that King wasn't an incredible person who did more to advance the human race than most of us can ever hope to do. We're just saying that he was also a plagiarizing butthole."
[ http://www.cracked.com/article_17198_5-great-... ]
Amended: when ya get a chance... #3. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.
...absolutely pointless and dumb...straight out of the J. Edgar Hoover playbook. I suppose all the beatings, illegal arrests, countless death threats culminating in a brutal assassination is part of that plagirism too. Your "link" is a slanderous, revisionist waste of time.
"LeftandLeft" Do you have a problem with transparency? I know, sometimes the truth hurts. The sources seemed reputable too me, if you would care to refute the accuracy, by all means, please do.
The best way to learn the truth, is by making mistakes.
Amended: I won't deny that bad things happened to MLK as you've pointed out, though I would refer you too the theory of [Occam's razor].
touched was through your hypocrisy. Jefferson, one of the architects of the Declaration of Independence: slaveowner. Lincoln: ended slavery only to cripple the Southern States. FDR, JFK, womanizers. Babe Ruth: Greatest American athlete: Played entire career against watered down and inferior talent...I could go on and on, but I don't believe in selective revisionism.
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You may want to add this too your arsenal?:
"Even as he worked to disenfranchise certain segments of society, he had a soft spot in his heart for individual blacks. In the midst of the fight over the Federal Reserve Bill, Glass made a special trip home to Lynchburg to appear at the manslaughter trial of his black servant. He took the witness stand, "swore that William was the best Negro that ever lived in the United States" and pleaded to keep him from imprisonment. When William was fined $200, Congressman Glass reached into his pocket, pulled out a roll of bills, paid the fine, then rushed back to Washington, D.C."
1. To use and pass off as one's own (the ideas or writings of another).
2. To appropriate for use as one's own passages or ideas from (another). v. intr. 1. To put forth as original to oneself the ideas or words of another.
Placating the past and the present to pimp your dumb shit propaganda to the historically retarded. You would try to creep this Micheal Steele assbackwards shit here in the middle of the night.
Conservatives crack me up. They think being black is just a fad.
Wed, 04/08/2009 - 19:35 — reluctant leader
Have you ever seen such ugliness?
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Unfortunately, yes. Almost daily.
That ad is absolutely looney toons. Examples: the doctor who has to choose between faith and their job ... please a doctor should know better, science & technology saves lives; faith does not. The one woman claiming "I am afraid" ... LoL, what you mean people determine the laws of the land not your alledged omnipotent invisible friend, stop you're killing me! Ok so be afraid silly wench, you've defeated any justification for faith all by yourself. Faith is indeed useless.
I support gay people, it's a lifestyle for the most part that's harmless and doesn't impact me in any way. It's just a sexual thing between consenting adults why should anyone care, it's not their business? Religious zealots would impact my life should they sieze control over our secular institutions however. I'm a proud athiest, likely first in line for some serious oppression if the nutters take control.
Oh by the way, I find the ad extremely offensive. There should be a big stink over this one.
I think I'm first in line ;)
Amended: Was first in line. :-/
I'm once again, first in line. Damn impeccable oversight, I must say... Damn their good! ♥
Please disregard the afformentioned.
Amended:
Was first in line. :-/and it really pissed me off. So, after I received the Courage Campaign's email this afternoon, I sent the following email to this nation for marriage group (contact@nationformarriage.org):
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 5:27 PM
To: 'contact@nationformarriage.org'
Subject: Anti Gay Marriage Ad
I just saw your ad spreading fear about gay marriage.
I’m not gay, but this ad is disgusting. It’s spreading fear and lies.
Woman: “My freedom will be taken away.” What “freedom” will be taken away???
Woman doctor: “I’m a California doctor who must choose between my faith and my job.” What “faith” in this country really says you cannot treat a married homosexual? How would a doctor even know that he is treating a homosexual (unless, perhaps, there is something genetic to it and the doctor can see that??? Maybe it’s not a “choice” as some of you say); how would that doctor even know that homosexual might be married? Does your faith tell you that you can treat an unmarried homosexual but cannot treat that same homosexual if he is married? Do you mean to tell me that a doctor might not want to even touch a homosexual??? This isn’t Iran, you know. People who think gays ought not to marry probably think that AIDS is a homosexual disease. Would it be against the good doctor’s faith if she were to treat someone with AIDs?
Man, member of Massachusetts church group: “….punished by the government….” How in the world is this guy being “punished” by the government? Are not the homosexuals being punished by law if they cannot get married????
Woman: “hopelessly watch as public schools tell my son that gay marriage is ok.” You know, I went to a public grade school. Not once was I ever taught about marriage, gay or straight. Do they teach about marriage in public grade schools nowadays??? They talked a little about marriage in the high school I went to, but that was a private, Jesuit high school, not a public one. But maybe it isn’t such a bad idea that kids are taught about homosexuality in grade school. What are you going to tell your children if they see two gays making out at a baseball game, or just walking down the street and making out? Are you going to tell them that they are evil people and they are going to hell because they are sinning against the Lord?
Woman: “those advocates want to change the way I live.” How in the world are two homosexuals getting married going to change the way someone else lives???? If two of my neighbors, straight people, get married, and it turns out they smoke marijuana, is that going to change the way I live???? Am I going to start smoking marijuana because they do? Will I turn gay if two gays next to me get married??? It doesn’t matter if they’re married or just “living in sin” together, not being married.
Woman: “I will have no choice…..” Of course you have a choice. If you’re gay and don’t like gay marriage, don’t get married! Live your beliefs on your own; don’t impose them on others.
Tell me. If a man and a woman were walking down the street holding hands and kissing, would you know whether or not they are married? I don’t think you would. Likewise, if a gay couple were doing the same thing, you would not know if they were married or not. WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE?????
This is nothing but hate and fear mongering. Fortunately, I think that few people actually would be afraid of this stupid commercial.
I used to live in The Netherlands, where I knew two guys who married each other. They were normal people, had jobs, raised their dogs, and loved each other. They never committed any crimes when I knew them. They never caused any other problems when I knew them. They were law-abiding, productive citizens who happened to be gay and married.
I’ll never understand the hate and intolerance spread by groups such as yours." end quote
points and a great letter General Jack D.
I get along with most people and understand various points of view. But bigots, racists, haters, and hypocrites really upset me, and I will let them know like I did above.
these are good christians, they hate gays, butlove what there guy W did. WAR! kill,kill,kill, in the name od god.
Had a male prostitute posing as a reporter in and out (pun intended)
of the WH more than a few times.
...you effing bigotted @$$holes, how the hell a gay couple getting married, has any impact whatsoever on your life, your marriage or your rights?
These effing people kill me. As they are trampling all over the rights of others, they claim to be the victim. Classic right-wing Repugnican tactics. It's disgusting and pathetic. "Win at all costs" is their motto. What good "christians" they are. Whatever.
And I guess I'll leave it at that, for now...
Somebody needs to establish the word civil unions recognized by federal and state laws not Marriage recognized by God and the churches of America.
This is a word game a sham. State civil Unions NOT Gay marriage, come on now. The church people are very particular about words, infact some words actually have different definitions when read by christian folk.
Remember to force the title to change from Gay Marriage<<<to Civil Unions. That should diffuse allot of the word games
I will not settle for separate but equal! Civil Unions, despite popular belief, do not grant all the rights that a "marriage" does. Now, we were to call all marriages (heterosexual and homosexual) civil unions under the law I'd be all for it. To you this might just be semantics, but to the rest of us it is about what's right and what's equal.
Oh so a civil union doesn't grant you the same ??? tax write offs? insurance discounts? Well ok then, the legal definition of a civil union would need changed to match a marriage definition, but I am telling you having the word, "marriage" within anything "gay" won't be welcome by the church people.
I am with ya, tho. I am totally on your side.
I do respect pushing back at them, they "church" people have pushed way to hard on our society, they in fact in my eyes have done more to corrupt and demoralize America than any other group from with in.
To some extent, I can understand this "church people" argument....if a particular church doesn't want to marry people, I guess I can understand that. I think it is wrong, those people are hateful and fear mongerers, but I guess I can understand if that's their so-called religion.
But, just because a particular church might not like it does not mean gay marriage should be made illegal. Make it legal, and if a particular church doesn't want it, perhaps have another church, another priest, or a justice of the peace perform the ceremonies.
My sister and her husband do not practice religion. However, a year ago, they wanted to have their baby James baptized in their home town of Silver Spring, MD. They wanted him baptized so that if he so chose to become religious in the future, he would have already been baptized.
The priest at the local parish would not baptize my nephew because his parents did not go to church. So, my sister and husband decided to make a visit back home to St. Louis. My parents went to a local Polish church who had been giving the very conservative archbishop here a lot of trouble and asked if they could have James baptized in his church. The Polish pries said, "certainly."
Further, they asked a former Catholic priest friend of theirs to actually perform the baptism. That Catholic priest is a "former" Catholic priest because he got married.
My point is, don't make/keep homosexual marriage illegal just because a lot of "church people" are self-righteous hypocrites; some are not, and you certainly can have homosexuals get married somewhere, whether that's a different priest or church, or whether that might be a justice of the peace.
...maybe these NOM freaks would have made a better ad to get all the 'church people' really afraid and riled up, if they'd hired the 'real' Church Lady (Dana Carvey - SNL) instead of all those lame-ass actors.
Now, that's funny!
hate is hate and wrong is wrong. You do realize that the same religious blowhards opposed the rights of women and people of color too? At what point do you just tell religion to stfu! There are something like two lines in the Bible, that might be construed as being anti-gay (might), but there are million of lines about loving our fellow humans. So the religious nutjobs decide that the two lines must be more important the million - and you think that they have a point? Bah, they are just f#cking idiots, and always have been.
I am looking to the path of least resistance, I agree the christian hate groups suck big time. I understand God, I understand it is to be about loving all life created by God. These people are fakes the worst of the worst. I seriously think it would be easier on both sides to drop the word marriage from this entire discussion. If the legal definition of a same sex civil union would need to be established then so be it.
except: Keep your same sex, kissie face actions out of my sight and don't try to propagandize your position with me. I don't care.... I am, however, ok, with a "civil union" to protect your property. I believe that the definition of marriage is simply the mutual relation of husband and wife. I have difficulty discerning who is which when I look at a gay couple...
homophobia meets "I don't care" in the same paragraph.
Its okay man, because I look into a rethug convention and have a hard time figuring out which is the village idiot.....
but a realist. Actually my political preference is independent or "centrist." I have no bones to pick except your right to express yourself ends..... where my eyesight or hearing begins.
You're in for a long, rough life pal.
gawd gave you a hairlip...
a completely naive comment. You really think that things work or are supposed to work this way?
"Actually my political preference is independent or "centrist." I have no bones to pick except your right to express yourself ends..... where my eyesight or hearing begins."
Hairlip...that statement is so dumb, and hostile...double standard much?
If someones right to express themselves end where your eyesight and hearing begins...then by your own standards, you need to SHUT THE FUCK UP!
I think they get paid by the post, let's not add to their bottom line... move along... nothing to see...
Oh, and LOL too. :-)
That because of a persons sexual orientation even though they are American citizens should be denied the right to get married? It's a word. That's all. Who cares? Your world will not come to a screeching halt.
It's the word, marriage! Why antagonize the church people by titling it gay marriage? Call it what it is Civil Unions, church people would accept this and then we could move on to legalizing pot already, jeez.
The church people don't have the right to impose their will on society as a whole. Simply put. It's not Constitutional.
Uh yea, in a democracy majority rules, soooo we being the majority should legalize same sex marriage. Of coarse the constitution also states we are a republic and there is to be separation of church and state. So either way gay marriage should win. I am thoroughly sick of this "free" country, it is anything but free.
me too.
How would you feel if all us fags/queers/d.ykes were to say these things about heterosexuals? EEEEEW a man and a woman kissing...GROSS! Sounds pretty childish, right? Yeah.
And for the record, marriage used to be about property exchange...where the woman was the property. Times are a changin' so get with the program.
****the word d-y-k-e-s. was edited out on my original post. WTF? it's not a dirty word?****
I realize that the sexual act between man and woman statistically is not very effective, that is the number of acts vs. conception. However, where would you be if everyone were homosexual???
From Gay Marriage to Gay sex?
That part is none of your bizz.
I didn't realize that Clinton reasoning was in play here...
So now you're delving into the Clinton era now.
Ok. Who's next? The Marquis De Sade?
Ooh...ooh...I will!!!
Oh, the cries for help of the deeply buried inner gay ego of the common conservative.
This is where I say "some of my best friends are gay." ??
LOL.
I've been outed by Tyler.....
Lol.
Pretty soon he'll be pushin' up daisies while we're all up here fuckin'.
Don't feed the troll...
on his show once, "Larry Craig the Senator drove Larry Craig the guy into that bathroom stall."
Marriage is not only about procreation. Would you deny rights to elderly people marrying or infertile couples...or heaven forbid, a couple who does not want children? Not everyone is going to share your opinion on what constitutes marriage and that's ok, we all don't have to agree, but we do have to be respectful of other people's rights. We don't make our laws based upon opinions or religious beliefs but based upon our constitution. I think you'd see it from my point of view if the shoe were on the other foot.
Hey, now! How 'bout you keep your sight out of my kissie face actions?! And don't YOU propagandize YOUR position with ME! AND, Mr. Civil Unions, how 'bout you just don't worry about who is husband and who is wife?! How 'bout it's none of your fuckin business.
amen! praise the flying spaghetti monster!
BITE ME !!!
...or in public?
Although you may be in a minority, you have no extraordinary (POTUS speak) rights. So.... keep your preferences out of my sight and hearing....
it shouldn't have to be extraordinary. it should be ordinary rights... you know, the ones shared by all people.
I do not understand your logic.
I find overt acts of affection (not greetings)between same sex people offensive. What about my rights??
Well, you have the right to turn the other way. What about my rights then. What if I don't want to see straight people, or ugly people, or short people, or bald people making out, does that give me the right to tell them they can't... NO.
to look the other way?
Or it is the fact that you can't help but to look because you so wish you could join in... that drives your sense of self hate into overdrive?
Your comfort level with anyone else's sexuality is not at issue here.
At this point, this appears to be an attempt to start a flame war.
Flamebait will be deleted without comment.
Now, if you want to discuss civil rights and marriage equality, be my guest. But this line of conversation is over.
How can the discussion of individual attitudes toward toward homosexuality be irrelevant in a conversation about marriage equality and civil rights?
has NOTHING to do with whether or not hairlip is comfortable with public displays of affection of any stripe.
Is it that hard to see someone trying to knock a thread off topic and start a flame war?
your eyes or watch in disgust or voice your opinion. Do you think you have the right to limit their rights?
a straight, but non-homophobic pov, here.(I've been in a straight marriage for 30 years).
Do you plan to post your whereabouts at all times so gays can know where you are? Or do you expect them to keep their preferences "behind closed doors"? Can you think of some other ways they can "keep [their] preferences out of [your] sight and hearing, , ,"?
Seems to me there's not much equality in a system where the "other" has to make all the adjustment and sacrifice to satisfy your weaknesses. You don't have any extraordinary rights here either.
maybe the solution is for you to become blind and deaf. :/
To some people when they see a gay couple.
To them, it questions their own sexuality .
And it drives them nuts when they do that.
Who cares. Let them get married. Suffering shouldn't only be for straight folks.
But I sometimes wonder why they want to get married?
All that they're accomplishing is govt' getting involved in their lives.
But hey, if that's what they want. Go for it. I don't care.
I can understand why many straight people are put off by the over-the-top in-your-face style of much LGBT activism. I find this behavior a direct result of years and years of being forced into the shadows for fear of bodily harm and social ostracization. If I locked you in a closet and barricaded the door, your only way out would involve great force and probably the destruction of said door. Further, you would most likely be prone to knock down several more doors until you realized that it's not only acceptable, but much more practical for everyone involved to simply use the doorknob. While many of us would prefer the LGBT community to tone down it's rhetoric, be cognizant of the fact that it wasn't until VERY recently that they've even begun to enjoyed that luxury as an option.
As tempting as it is to want to "enlighten" you, it's really none of my my business how you feel about homosexuality. Here's my question: Would you vote against (or choose not to vote for) a measure or a candidate who supported gay marriage? I didn't think so. As retrograde as I may find your thinking, you're hardly the problem...
(cross-posted from The Political Carnival)
I am not the problem. I don't vote single issues. But, I have my likes/dislikes just as you have your preferences.
To You, what does "We The People" mean to you?
By the way you're coming across. Apparently, too you, it means "We Some of the People"
the "Democracy" pitch. We do not live in a "Democracy." We live in a "Republic." The true definition of a Democracy is when two horny males and one reluctant female decide to vote on whether the males will "get some." Guess who loses?? No checks and balances in this case...
You're off the cliff buddy.
The Democracy vs Republic bs is old and tired, but the other thing you got going there is not quite right.
been through the Democracy / Republic thing today in another thread.
For full-fledged representative democracies ultimately it generally does not make all that much difference whether the head of state is a monarch or a president, nor, in fact, whether these countries call themselves a monarchy or a republic.
When you live in a Democracy.
Maybe you should think about setting up shop in say, Russia.
I thought democracy meant majority rules, and I thought Republic meant all rule, meaning true freedom for all weather they are majority or not. Like in a true republic the war machine would get their way, the pot people get their way, the gay people get their way, church people get their way.....as long as "their way" doesn't infringe on the rights of another group. So really the only true looser in a republic would be the War machine pentagon seeing as how removing some one elses life would be considered an infringement of human rights on the dead person, or the new free soul.
Answer the question. Having a hard time rationalizing that one? That's ok. At least your brain matter didn't permeate the intertubes.
You might want to see a doctor though.
Damn, that's a big comfort.
...that isn't all that marriage really is. I agree that's what it should be. Unfortunately there is all kinds of legal stuff that goes with it. For example a wife can make decisions for an incompetent or disabled husband, a partner in a civil union cannot. Civil union partners are not treated the same as a spouse in regards to hospital visitations. Tax benefits aren't identical, and when someone marries an citizen they can stay in the country, not so if one entered into a civil union.
http://www.letcaliforniaring.org/site/c.ltJTJ...
I wouldn't be opposed to limiting marriage to hetero couples, if civil unions were identical as far as the law went and marriage was nothing more than a label.
Like it or not, the "separate but equal" notion was put to bed 50 years ago, at least on a legal level. Separate, by definition, cannot be equal. So either everyone gets marriages, or everyone gets civil unions, but setting up the two as separate things is not right.
*they* know, it's fine by me.
Get off your high horse.
http://www.hrc.org/12470.htm
Audition tapes on YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRjVDZxho54
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwqNFBt33o4
(Check out the bimbo at 5:04 - she can barely read the cue card.)
I think she's stoned. Look at her glassy eyes!
Regarding that church group that was punished. Basically, a missionary group owns a whole lot of land in New Jersey. Much of it the land is leased to businesses and home owners. One chunk of land includes a beach boardwalk and an auditorium that various groups can rent out.
The missionary group argued that since they make the boardwalk and auditorium available to the public at large, they should not have to pay taxes on any of the profits they get from renting out the auditorium to the public. The boardwalk and local businesses are considered to actually be pretty gay-friendly and a lesbian couple attempted to rent out the auditorium for a civil-union ceremony, but the missionary owners refused to rent it to them. The state intervened and gave the property owners a choice:
1. Be truly open to the public and obey state ant-discrimination laws and remain exempt from taxes.
or:
2: Be private, retain your right to refuse service to whomever you want, but pay taxes like any other for profit private enterprise.
The missionaries that owned the auditorium chose number 2 and lost their tax-exempt status in order to maintain their right to refuse gay people from renting out the auditorium.
The church can refuse whatever it wants to gays in the church itself, but that does not extend to any businesses they run, if indeed they are trying to claim tax exempt status by being "open to the public". The state and tax authorities decide who "the public" is, not the church. And the state says that "the public" includes gay people. The missionary group basically wanted the right to decide who was and was not considered part of "the public" with and they did not want to include gay people as part of that "public" that were free to rent out their auditorium.
Looks like they fucked themselves out of a good thing missionary-style...
This April 15 ALL the whackos will come out of the woodwork at once protesting taxes, gay marriage, climate change, evolution, and macular pucker. As they gather in the ones and hundreds they'll suddenly realize that each person protesting supports something opposed by the person next to him. They will begin cannibalizing one another, eating the flesh of their victims and sloshing around in the self-righteous blood that covers the streets.
I'm getting my binoculars and a bag of peanuts for this folks.
...dig those reality shows huh?
I'll be on the corner of El Dorado and Craig....
what will you be doing exactly?
25 words or less.
protesting taxes, gay marriage, climate change, evolution, and macular pucker. See you at 5pm to 7 pm.
Macular pucker bothers you that much?
Thought it said MUSCULAR pucker...need to clean my glasses.
you should be easy to recognize. Head spinning at 30rpms, arms flailing to ward off the woogly-booglies. They are coming to get you, you know, and I'll get it on film.
woogly-booglies!
That's my kissing corner!
Where is it gonna happen? I am totally famous here in central PA for being overly liberal, there really aren't too many of us. I best buy that shot gun now n go hide in the hills till the police can clean up the mess. I sure hope they don't lynch me or set me on fire that would really suck, damit!!
...be televised?
when George W. Bush was president.
They loved their president who gave tax breaks to the rich.
Now they hate their president who gives THEM tax breaks.
They hated anybody who spoke out against their president.
Now they hate anybody who doesn't speak out against the president.
They loved their country up until 10 weeks ago.
Now they hate it.
about sums it up. Having Tea Parties so that the poor rich don't get taxed more. Voting against their own economic interests. Really something.
the 20th...Their Fuhrer's b'day...ya know, they might as well just go ahead and accept their inner nazi.
At first I thought this was something from Landover Baptist.
these people feel the need to make such a completely ridiculous ad?!!
I thought Gawd was on their side??? Apparently Gawd likes gay people - and black people - and brown people and yellowish people with slanty eyes - and white people with big red noses and puffy cheeks - and smart people - and compassionate people...s/he made an awful lot of them...
....yes, even stupid, arrogant, and thoroughly disgusting people like the folks who made and provide the money for this crap - according to them.
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