Prop 8 Campaign Misrepresents Obama's Position in Mailers to African-Americans
By Julia Rosen Saturday Nov 01, 2008 1:00pm(full disclosure: I proudly work for the Courage Campaign)
Frankly, I am not surprised in the least that they went there. African-Americans tend to be more conservative on GLBT equality issues than much of the rest of the Democratic coalition. The Yes on 8 campaign is fighting for every vote and thought that they could gain from misrepresenting Obama's position on Prop 8.
Barack Obama and Joe Biden both oppose Prop 8. The Yes on 8 campaign sent a mailer above to untold thousands of African-American voters in California, featuring large pictures of Obama and the quote that "I'm not in favor of gay marriage..."
The quote is real, Obama and Biden oppose marriage, BUT refuse to take away rights from Americans. Here is the statement they released in reaction to the mailer:
"Senators Obama and Biden have made clear their commitment to fighting for equal rights for all Americans whether it's by granting LGBT Americans all the civil rights and benefits available to heterosexual couples, or repealing 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell.' While Senators Obama and Biden oppose same-sex marriage, they support civil unions," said a statement issued by campaign spokesman Ben LaBolt. "Senator Obama has already announced that the Obama-Biden ticket opposes Proposition 8 and similar discriminatory constitutional amendments that could roll back the civil rights he and Senator Biden strongly believe should be afforded to all Americans."
Now the question is will more people hear about Obama's real position on Prop 8 than will read the mailer? It is up to us to help spread the word.
I am sitting in the No on Prop 8 headquarters in San Francisco. This place is just buzzing with energy and flooded with volunteers. There were 300-400 people here for just one of four trainings that will be held here this weekend (see pic below). Mayor Gavin Newsom choked up when he spoke to the volunteers. This is the final few days of a battle he helped start four years ago and one we can finally win on Tuesday.
BTW my colleague Lucas is at "The Call" the supposedly huge gathering of evangelicals in San Diego against Prop 8 (and 4 for that matter). They were talking about getting 71,000 people in Qualcomm stadium. Lucas says it looks like about 7,000 people are there and a steady stream are heading for the exits.
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I am sitting in the No on Prop 8 headquarters in San Francisco. This place is just buzzing with energy and flooded with volunteers.
Every time I've been there, it's been buzzing with energy like that. That fact is quite encouraging.
And I think I'll head down there in just a bit. :)
Come on by. If you go around the corner to the left, I am typing away wearing a black shirt.
Any other C&L readers heading to other offices?
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Why don't the proponents for Prop 8 who wish to keep marriage between a man and a woman because they say it's about protecting the "SANCTITY" (religious code word) of the "INSTITUTION" (secular code word) of marriage, why can't they work to preserve that marriage between a man and a woman by working to outlaw divorce...
... Divorce, the enemy to marriage. Because we all know it isn't the adultery that separates and splinters a family, it's the laws that allow one spouse to flee from the other. Because we all know that it isn't poor money management that causes one spouse to flee from the other, it's the laws already on the books that make divorce legal. Divorce, the tool used by the "INSTITUTION" (secular world) to dissolve the "SANCTITY" (religious union) of the marriage.
PRESERVE MARRIAGE,
OUTLAW DIVORCE!!!
See, if I was a poor money manager and my wife couldn't get a divorce from me, we'd have to go "EMPLOY" a financial counselor. If I was unfaithful and my wife couldn't divorce my ass, then we'd have to "EMPLOY" Dr. Phill... NO?
PRESERVE MARRIAGE,
OUTLAW DIVORCE...
CREATE EMPLOYMENT!
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Because I used that EXACT line of thinking on him.
He tried to tell me that it was all about the kids and I asked him where kids were in a marriage contract. And would he force the state to rewrite my rights and nullify my marriage if my husband and I hadn't procreated?
Every excuse he gave I had a response for. I was not angry nor rude. But I had him spluttering and backing away from me because I kept catching him up in his own logic.
It was a beautiful thing. I probably didn't change his mind, but it felt really good to leave that guy speechless.
Speachless is what we need to leave them...
... A great and justifiable way to get their hate to "SHUT UP"... NO?
PRESERVE MARRIAGE,
FOR PROCREATION...
OUTLAW INFERTILITY!
PRESERVE MARRIAGE,
FOR THE FAMILY...
OUTLAW UNWED MOTHERS!
PRESERVE MARRIAGE,
FOR THE INSTITUTION...
OUTLAW DIVORCE!
PRESERVE MARRIAGE,
FOR THE SANCTITY...
ENFORCE THE FIRST AMENDMENT!
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I've been expecting them to raise they gay issue since about a month ago another court said ok to gay marriage.
And although time is short before the election, and probably have little effect, expect them to raise this topical issue:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081101/pl_nm/us_...
when biden said he was for civil unions but against gay marriage
it should be a non issue in presidential politics anyway
I think that is actually the answer the defuses much of the religious right's ammunition.
Have the state declare that it will not only certify civil unions between consenting adults, regardless of sexual orientation. Churches may then sanctify marriages as their particular tenets allow.
I'm for actually calling it gay marriage or just simply marriage.
Civil Unions to me smack a little too closely to the Seperate But Equal doctrine.
Churches have often considered other people's marriages as invalid because they were married in the justice of the peace office and not a church, because of mixed race (they would quote some passage from the Bible), or because of mixed religions and one side would say the other's is invalid.
I was baptized a Mormon as a boy, but the Catholic church would call that an invalid baptism, and I'm not sure why, but suspect their emphasis on Apostolic Succession. However, I've been excommunicated for so many years from Mormonism (upon my request, surprise visiting missionaries came close to interrupting my pot parties in the Air Force), it makes it all moot.
let's keep Marriage! Anyone who wants to commit to being with and caring for another human being for a lifetime has my support!
And then, let's outlaw RELIGION, which seems to be against everything that is instinctual to most human beings!
They have garnered over 50,000 views in the last two weeks. Been featured on over forty GLBT blogs. Margaret Cho called them 'Hilarious and Cute' in her blog.
Please show your support. The Mormons have invaded the comment section and I can't keep up deleting them. Come post a comment in support of gay marriage.
Here are the links.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QdRkLowbqg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gDze9YBVxU
Both said they were against gay marriage but they didn't say they were against GAY SEX.
MCCAIN AND PALIN ARE FOR GAY SEX!!!!
said, "if I could vote twice I would" I understand her enthusiasm, and it sounds good, but if I could vote twice I wouldn't. not to put her down, but , you know.
just thought i'd throw that in there.
peace is afoote. and my door is ajar.
With me fungus is a afoot.
Well, Darth just couldn't resist. As if things weren't swirling the toilet enough for poor old McPappy, now the final nail is hammered into the "McSame Coffin" for all of america to see!
If there is anyone hated more than George W. Bush, it's Dick Cheney.
If there's anyone more responsible for running a "shadow government" and destroying this democracy, it's Dick Cheney.
John McCain needed this endorsement like a hole in the head or, perhaps more aptly, the "last nail in the coffin" of his campaign.
Being a native California resident I am ashamed that Prop 8 even has a small chance of passing let alone going into election day only holding the smallest of leads in the polls. That said I was expecting this or something similar and I almost mentioned it yesterday when it came in the mail. But Obama did say what the mailer says he said much to my disappointment. You don't show the reverse of the mailer that shows 4 other black men, Pastor Tony Dockery of the St. Stephen Baptist Church, Pastor Ed Smith-Zoe of the Christian Fellowship-Whittier, Bishop Donald E. Green of the San Francisco Christian Center, and Dr. Phillip Goudeaux of the Calvary Christian Center all of witch represent "Good Christian" tax exempt organizations.
pretty cool....we dont get thunder storms in november
First couple of years I was at Edwards AFB in the Mojave desert, it actually snowed.
I guess my mere presence made hell freeze over.
No one's reading these sleazy fliers published by the RNC and it's surrogates at all. It's too bad they weren't printed on thinner paper though so we could, literally, use them as toilet paper.
The ONLY thing these sleazy fliers are doing right now is further tainting the Republican brand for the next two decades.
GOP - Party of Filth and Sleaze!
They will never live this down - not in any of our lifetimes.
And John McCain will lose his Senate Seat as well in 2010 because he's turned into a total sleazeball. No honor or respect for this fraud any more.
The problem I see with the people who want "civil unions" separate from "marriages" is thus: Already a state (Arkansas) is calling for a way to bar adoptions from anyone who isn't "married", thereby prohibiting gay couples and even straight or single parents from adopting. Creating a separate category for gays will just bite usin the ass later on. "Separate, but equal" never worked before and never will. I see this eventually heading to the Supreme Court, which if it still represents true justice at the time, will have to legalize marriage for gay people. I hope prop 8 is defeated, but if is gets in, the courts will have no choice but to declare it unconstitutional again. What a waste. And why is it, that the right-wingand the right-wing Christians feel the need to LIE inevery ad they post? Doesn't that go against their so-called "ethics" and "beliefs"? Anywho...just thought I'd put my thoughts out here, thanks.
it states that there really is no difference between a civil union or a marriage....it would need a constitutional amendment to change that
if gay marriage is not passed...same sex couples still are protected
No offense, but I really don't believe it. Maybe California will try to uphold it, but other states won't. And This is yet another issue that can't be in the 50 Separate Countries of America. People move and travel from one state to another with regularity. Having your marriage/relationship legally respected in one state, then boom, denied in another just doesn't work anymore in the 21st century. Separate but equal does NOT work, anywhere. Why are so many willing to embrace that outmoded belief? All the arguments I've heard against marriage for gay people are EXACTLY the same as those against interracial marriage. Why do people never seem to learn?
Commandment 9 (or 8, if you are a catholic) You shall not bear false witness AGAINST your neighbour.
An interesting commandment. Its compass does not include lying to protect yourself (eg. I didn't take that cookie, honest...) or others (eg. No, officer, he's not here right now...) but does include the making of false accusations of others of who they are or what they do (eg. That terrorist Obama is employing socialism into our economic system...)
Whether this misrepresentation actually breaks the letter of the 9th commandment, I leave to better people than me. It definitely breaks it in spirit.
...question all the folks who profess to be "religious", Catholic, Evangelical, or otherwise. Ask them to recite the 10 Commandments! I doubt 1 in 20 could do it.
The only things these folks know is how to be afraid of anyone who doesn't look like them, act like them , drink the same beer or root for the same team as them.
If any person wants to create a "test" for another human being - he/she should have to pass it first!!!!! Let's hook all these cretins up to lie detectors and see how many have had "impure thoughts" or have cheated on their spouses, or have broken any commandments. Hypocrites ALL, none would submit.
The republican brand is so tainted at this point that any doctor, lawyer or business owner who has a McCain*Palin sign on their property is being boycotted by middle america. This boycott of sleazy Republicans will hit them all in the pocket book.
I've witnessed here in my town already...docs wondering why their business has fallen off (**Note the McCain sign on the property).
I have found that my philosphy and ideology is so totally different than theirs that I no longer find Republicans trustworthy to have as friends. That's how sleazy, hypocritical and bad this has gotten.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/...
fuck you kent...fuck you and your porn stache
It's really starting to grate that he has not cut an ad or come out more forcefully against Prop 8.
I appreciate that he's getting votes in Georgia and Montana and that he's "bringing people together". But lately my boyfriend and I feel like he's leaving us out of his "coalition for change."
I appreciate that he has a line in his stump speech about gay Americans, but I'd like to see him stand up to this discrimination. I've been working hard for him for weeks, but now I feel so discouraged and demoralized and pissed off. If he lets this go unanswered (and releasing a statement through a spokesperson doesn't really count, in my book) and Prop 8 succeeds on Tuesday I'm going to be angry with him for a long time.
Why should I vote for someone to be my President if he won't stand up for my basic civil rights?
..you can bet your last dollar that McCain or President Palin or any kind of Republican majority will EVER do anything that includes all human beings - so, I'd say, for now, Barack is your best bet.
He's the lesser of two evils. I was just hoping for more than that.
Actually, I think Barack Obama is against gay marriage. He is for civil unions. He said so during the debate.
This whole issue is a big battle over NOTHING! In California, gays have the rights to civil unions and have had them for years. The fight is over a word and CHANGING THE MEANING of that word. Gays should make up your own damn word and be done with it.
It does not do any good get the religious right base riled up over NOTHING. An issue like this just gives them a chance to push the rest of their stupid agenda.
And if anyone is being dishonest, it's the NO on 8 side. I have yet to see one gay couple on any ad. It's all straight people talking about rights. Why did NO on 8 put all the gays back in the closet? Put some gays at the altar and show some dudes kissing each other so people really know what they're voting on.
Obama isn't for gay marriage, but he's said he's against Prop 8 because it's discriminatory.
It's not nothing, Crazy Chris. It's just nothing to you.
It's not about changing the meaning of a word, it's about treating everyone equally.
That's what a vote against Prop 8 is for. And that's the focus of the ad campaign. It's not about "some dudes kissing each other" at an altar.
Besides the name thing? Please tell me.
Personally, I don't care. But a lot of people do. A lot of people I'd rather not see motivated to go to the polls. A lot of people who love Sarah Palin. I'd rather they not have a reason to go to the polls on election day.
And it is about some dudes kissing at the altar.
Come up with a new name and everyone can be happy.
A lot of people on both sides care about "the name thing" if you haven't noticed.
It's not that we're so caught up in the word, it's the fact that we live in a country where everyone is supposed to be treated the same under the law. Creating separate categories for separate groups doesn't work.
I understand where you're coming from (except for the whole fixation on two dudes kissing), but a lot of people who are so freaked out about what happened four years ago (the whole "wedge issue" thing) are being awfully dismissive of this as a civil rights issue. It is a civil rights issue.
The back of the bus isn't so much worse than the front of the bus, but it's not okay for you to tell me I have to sit there and quit complaining. I don't have to come up with a new name.
The world is screwed up. We have wars, a global financial crisis, a global ecological crisis, an energy crisis, people getting bombed in various countries (by US), people starving all over the place, diseases are decimating populations, drought is rampant, polar bears are disappearing..........
I am for EVERYONE having a nice life. I like folks of all persuasions: gay/straight; black/white; religious/non; Repug/Dem; east coast/west coast; north/south; American/Russian > WHATEVER!!
I do not know what Barack Obama will actually do after he gets elected , or what the next Cogress will do. No one does - because he will not be acting alone and we don't know which way the Congress will lean. I'm pretty sure I know that McCain/Palin will not be doing much good if elected - and, it will not benefit any group except the corporate elites.
So, for the next 3 days let;s just focus on getting Obama/Biden elected. Once that happens and Cheney/Bush have actually left
the building, we can spend time and resources on everything else.
Priorities First. If not, every one of us is screwed.
I hear you. But this vote is on Tuesday.
This isn't the Karl Rove circa 2004 let's-get-the-base-to-the-polls tactic we're talking about here. This proposition is on the ballot because some people didn't like the CA Supreme Court's decision.
I need Obama to win just as much as the rest of the country, and I'll vote for him. But I won't do so with enthusiasm if he's not going to stand up for the gay community when it matters.
Find me an election that isn't "the most important election of our lifetime" and I'll agree that we can wait until then. But when is that ever going to happen? In 2010 the Dems will be afraid of losing control of Congress, in 2012 there'll be some Huckapalin crazy running against Obama... it never ends.
You HAVE to see what Sarah Palin just did now!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1exiyBYnJ00
This has to be the sleaziest campaign to ever hit this State, financed by Mormons who have poured millions of dollars into it. It is laughable at times to see "Yes on 8" signs proudly displayed in yards where you know that at least one of the occupants has been married multiple times. My own daughter is on her third marriage and her husband on his 4th, but they are totally committed to seeing 8 pass, because "Marriage is Sacred". I never thought I'd see bigotry and hatred written into this State's Constitution.
Does anyone have a problem with Obama stated opposition to gay marriage? Is it really any of his business? If he's really all about people's rights, why wouldn't he be fighting for equal rights for all people? Should gays only be allowed to be in a "civil union" when some really wnat to be openly and freely married? Don't tell Ellen DeGeneres.
I really am shocked that "progressives" who care about people's rights are supporting Democrats. SUre, Repukes would be worse, but when did it become OK to settle for least worst?
I hate the way the Democrats pussy out on this issue, anyway. Obama and Biden probably don't give a shit if two gay people get married, but they have to say they're not for it to impress the majority of morons in this country.
If Senator Obama wins this election, the following is what it has taken to get a very questionable, extremely inexperienced, very junior first time Senator past the mark:
1. Senator Obama’s campaign is outspending Senator McCain’s campaign 4 to 1 or more in some locations. This is due to Senator Obama backing out of an agreement he made with Senator McCain.
2. Senator Obama’s campaign has opened up about 700 offices nation-wide versus less than 100 than Senator McCain’s campaign has opened up.
3. The mainstream media has been completely biased against Senator McCain.
4. Biased organizations, such as ACORN, have received contributions from Senator Obama, have been openly supporting Senator Obama, and are under investigation for committing voter registration fraud in multiple states favoring Senator Obama.
5 An enormous number of biased celebrities have been supporting Senator Obama and speaking out against Senator McCain.
6. Even though Congress is very unpopular, both sides are controlled by the democrats and have been making biased statements against Senator McCain.
7. Senator McCain is disadvantaged because of the unpopularity of the incumbent President.
8. All four of the debate moderators lean to the left and were not 100% fair.
Even with all of the biased and unfair things mentioned above that are running against Senator McCain, Senator Obama only has a narrow lead. Should he not be way out in front? I have heard people state that on the news from both campaigns. That should tell you something. Also, Senator Obama pulled a cheap shot on Senator McCain and the American public in regards to campaign financing. Both campaigns agreed to use public financing during the presidential campaign. At the last moment, Senator Obama backed out of his agreement and took private financing, giving Senator Obama a significant advantage over Senator McCain in financing his campaign. In addition, Senator Obama is not being totally open as to where all his contributions are coming from. But even though Senator Obama took a sucker punch and tricked Senator McCain and all Americans by backing out of his agreement, Senator McCain is keeping with his word and using public financing. This is severely disadvantaging Senator McCain’s campaign financing by putting much lower caps on the amount of money he will have available. This is the reason Senator Obama can outspend Senator McCain 4 to 1. This also shows that Senator Obama does not keep his campaign promises, just like his past campaign promises.
Just imagine what it will be like when you have both the House of Representatives and the Senate controlled by the democrats, and Senator Obama in the Whitehouse signing everything that comes across his desk from them. In other words, the person writing the check will also be the one cashing it. There will be no “checks and balances”, especially if the democrats pick up a few more seats in the Senate and it becomes filibuster-proof, which means they will have a monopoly. Again, there will be no checks and balances. We will have higher taxes, more government, and fewer rights. They have already promised all of those things. You will have a government that will tax the people that are creating the jobs so they can “spread the wealth around”. Who do you think creates the jobs in this country? Have you ever seen a business owned by a poor person? Are they the ones starting small businesses and creating jobs? Obviously not! So we have established the fact that the people that own the small businesses and create the jobs are NOT the poor. So lets talk about what is going to happen when they start taxing the people that do own the small businesses that create the jobs.
So what do you think will happen when they start taxing the small business owners? First, jobs will be lost. They will not be able to afford to keep the same amount of people they have now – they will have to let people go. In addition, they will not be able to expand their businesses and hire more people. The second thing that will happen is that prices will go up. Do you think businesses will not raise the cost of their products and services to offset the extra taxes they have to pay? This should be obvious. The prices will go up on everything and will affect everybody – to include the middle class and the poor. When you go to the grocery store, the food prices will be higher. When you go buy a car, the prices will be higher. When you go to the department store the prices are going to be higher. Put yourself in the shoes of a business owner; if your expenses go up, would you not raise the price of your products to pay for them? Of course you would! And taxes are an expense.
Now lets talk about presidential qualifications. When a federal employee or a member of the military has a need to have access to classified materials, they would need to get a security clearance. A security clearance attempts to certify that an individual is of high moral character and does not pose a security risk. If a federal employee or a member of the military admits to using a dangerous drug, such as cocaine, they will not be eligible for a security clearance. In addition, an admitted cocaine user would not be able to get in the military and if he or she is a federal employee, he or she would be moved to a position of lesser responsibility and not have access to classified materials. Senator Obama has admitted to using cocaine in his book that he wrote. As a candidate for president, should he not be held up to the same standards of a federal employee or a member of our military? As President, he is going to be exposed to an enormous amount of classified materials, have his finger on the nuke button, and be the commander in chief of the strongest military in the world. Would you not want someone in that position that can qualify for a security clearance?
Another point I would like to make is in regards to Senator Obama’s experience, which is a drop in the bucket compared to Senator McCain’s. With the world and the economy in such a delicate position, I cannot imagine why anyone would not want the most experienced person in the Whitehouse. Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton, and even Senator Obama’s running mate, Senator Joe Biden, have made statements to the fact that Senator Obama is not experienced enough to be President and that the presidency is not the type of job for on-the-job training. They also said that Senator McCain brings a lifetime of experience to the table. Senator Obama’s running mate, Senator Biden, even said he would even be honored to run “with” his friend John McCain. These individuals are now claiming that they said that during the primaries when they were running against Senator Obama. Does that mean they were lying then, or now? Senator Obama claimed that he had more diverse foreign policy experience because he lived overseas as a kid. Living overseas does not give you foreign policy experience, unless you are an Ambassador, which he was not. If it did, then Senator John McCain would again best Senator Obama’s record since he has lived overseas being a member of the military.
What issue or issues are you going to base your voting decision on? Will it be the economy? National defense? Education? There are so many out there. Because of the current economic situation, a large number of you are going to base your decision on who is best for the economy. I would hope that I have answered this question for you earlier on in this article. Such as pointing out which candidate has promised to raise taxes and spend more reducing jobs and raising the cost to live. But just in case I have not, I have a couple additional items for you to think about. If you look at all of the campaign promises on Senator Obama’s web site, you will see hundreds of them. How is he going to pay for them? I think I answered that already. But, if you add of the costs of all of them, mathematically it is going to cost us a lot more than he will be able to raise in taxes. So many of these are going to be just like so many of his previous campaign promises – they won’t get done. Maybe the economy is not the best issue to use in making a decision for president. What about national defense? In my opinion, if you don’t have a secure nation, the rest of the issues are moot. With Russia and China outspending us two fold to build up their military; with Iran and North Korea toying around with nukes and making threats; with Russia making friends and conducting military exercises not too far from our back door in Venezuela; with Russia helping Iran build nuclear processing material plants; and with the terrorist threat growing in Pakistan (a nuclear country), Afghanistan, Africa, and several other countries throughout the world, I want the most experienced and tested person in that office. Not some junior Senator that has absolutely no experience in national security. The economy is important, but national defense is a must. Remember, if our country is not secure, then the economy means nothing, our freedom is in jeopardy, and our lives as we know them today could easily be drastically changed in a moments notice. Just ask the citizens of the country of Georgia. One last point: Have you see who is openly supporting Senator Obama in the news? Iran and the terrorist groups Hamas and Hezbollah have made public statements that they would prefer Sen. Obama to win. Go figure.
So after reading this, where do you stand? The differences in these two candidates are very apparent. On one hand, you have an individual with many years of applicable “real world” experience, has been a public servant and leader for about 50 years, has a proven record to reduce taxes and government spending, and is dedicated to growing the US economy and jobs. On the other hand, you have an individual with very little experience, questionable associations, has a proven record to increase taxes, government spending, and earmarks, and has promised to increase taxes and government spending. As I said at the beginning of this article, I cannot imagine why anyone in their right mind, after doing a real comparison of the two candidates, would vote for Senator Obama. I admit, he presents himself well and has a good appearance, as long as he has a teleprompter to read from. So the bottom line is what do you want in the next president, appearance or substance?
Now for those of you who blame President Bush for everything, consider this: George Bush has been in office for 7 1/2 years. The first six the economy was fine.
A little over one year ago:
1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 year high.
2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon.
3) The unemployment rate was 4.5%.
4) The DOW JONES hit a record high--14,000 +
5) American's were buying new cars, taking cruises, vacations overseas, and living large!
But American's wanted 'CHANGE'!
So, in 2006 they voted in a Democratic Congress and yes--we got 'CHANGE' all right.
In the PAST YEAR:
1) Consumer confidence has plummeted.
2) Gasoline went over $4 a gallon and was climbing, until the stock market crashed.
3) Unemployment is up to 5.5% (a 10% increase).
4) Americans have seen their home equity drop by $12 TRILLION DOLLARS and prices still dropping.
5) 1% of American homes are in foreclosure.
6) As I write, THE DOW is probing another low~~ $2.5 TRILLION DOLLARS HAS EVAPORATED FROM THEIR STOCKS, BONDS & MUTUAL FUNDS INVESTMENT PORTFOLIOS!
YES, IN 2006 AMERICA VOTED FOR CHANGE...AND WE SURE GOT IT! ...
REMEMBER THE PRESIDENT HAS NO CONTROL OVER ANY OF THESE ISSUES, ONLY CONGRESS.
AND WHAT HAS CONGRESS DONE IN THE LAST TWO YEARS, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.
NOW THE DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT CLAIMS HE IS GOING TO REALLY GIVE US CHANGE ALONG WITH A DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS!!!!
JUST HOW MUCH MORE 'CHANGE' DO YOU THINK YOU CAN STAND?
Why do you people believe any thing some joe post on line including this site ?
http://www.californiaprogressreport.com/2008/...
Obama has been clear on his position he believes in all humans to have the same constitutional rites.
Including this issue.
The same reason that we want to vote no on prop 8, "freedom of choice" is the same reason we must not demonize those who disagree with us. It's not terrible to not agree with Gay Marriage it's terrible to impose your belief's on others when it doesn't effect you directly.
I don't care if we disagree with each other,
I care you try to keep me from equal rites just because you don't agree.
Obama believes in the constitution and is for no on Prop 8 For that reason.
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