Kay Hagan Sues Elizabeth Dole Over Despicable Ad
By now most of you have seen or heard about Republican Elizabeth Dole's disgusting and desperate "Godless" commercial attacking her front-running opponent, Democrat Kay Hagan.
Not only has Hagan fired back with an ad of her own (posted above), her campaign has now filed a defamation lawsuit against Dole and fiercely punching back against what has to be the lowest of campaign smears in the 2008 campaign cycle. From The Hill:
Democratic challenger Kay Hagan has filed a defamation lawsuit against Sen. Elizabeth Dole (R-N.C.) for questioning Hagan's faith in what is shaping up as the nastiest campaign of this cycle.
Hagan announced the lawsuit after Dole refused to remove the ad, which suggests Hagan is an atheist and has become the subject of tough criticism from several newspaper editorials in North Carolina. Several polls show Dole trailing Hagan, a state senator.
“Elizabeth Dole would love nothing more than to distract from the issues and her record for the last five days of the campaign,” Flanagan said. “In filing this suit, we’ve made clear that these kind of despicable tactics will not be tolerated, and our campaign is moving forward with the most important task at hand: defeating Elizabeth Dole, and giving North Carolina’s families a voice in the U.S. Senate that they’ve been sorely missing.” Read on...
Take her to the fucking cleaners.
The Philly Inquirer is running this outageous OpEd about Obama being en enigma and no one knows where he stands. (Honestly? How the fuck this guy comes to this conclusion after the last two years is beyond me).
PLEASE pop over to the Philly Inquirer article and vote in the poll.
Do YOU think Obama is an enigma?
http://www.philly.com/inquirer/opinion/200810...
These idiots are the only ones that are confused. They can't figure it out, we already have. No wonder he's Last.
But Pennsylvania is a must win (even though Obama is ahead). Do not get complacent.
Vote in that poll!
In that poll it looks like only Republicans are confused. They are losing the poll by about as much as they are going o lose Penn.
It was evenly split when I posted it.
Keep voting NO people!
"We will find fulfillment not in the goods that we have, but in the good we can do for each other."
Robert F. Kennedy
Just did. I think they changed the wording of the question though to "...mystery."
Take old Dolie to the cleaners, Kay. One thing is coming out of this election year and that is none of these so called Christians on the right are actually Christians. They are nothing more than EVIL, Lying. Bitchie Hypocrites. Elizabeth Dole, Michelle Bachman and Sarah Palin are going down for the count this Tuesday night....which that in its self will make America a much better place to live. The Republican party is about to become extinct.
...to a nicer "Fake" person.
"Egotism is the anesthetic that dulls the pain of Stupidity" - Frank Leahy
america really has the strangest perverted form of christianity.
Seems like a really tough case to win, but it'll be fascinating to see what happens.
Everyone is equally entitled to the pursuit of happiness. Wasn't that once self evident?
It will show the country just what a lowlife Lizzy Dole is.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
Just bringing attention to the despicable lengths this Elizabeth Dole person would go to to try to win this election will be good enough. Dole is lower that a snake's ass. Get on the stick North Carolina and get rid of this slime. Send her back to Kansas.
Why is it that every time I se McCain, he reminds me of Charlie Chaplin?
What a horrible thing to say about Charlie Chaplin.
Why doesn't Hagan accuse the dessicated Dole of being a Muslim?
"Secular humanism -- a fearless, realistic world view replete with doubt and scepticism that attempts to attain an unachievable state of equilibrium between and among the human qualities of reason, intuition, imagination, memory, ethics and common sense.
I thought that this is reminiscent of when the Republicans accused Obama of being a Muslim. In both instances it seems that no one has wondered what would be wrong with being either a Muslim or [God forbid] an atheist being president. It would seem that the chances of of either a Muslim or an atheist being elected president in the [alleged] best democracy in the world is about as likely as an independent or third party or socialist candidate being allowed to participate in the presidential debates.
It makes you look like a dick. The counter-ad was very good. Just go with that.
Let me get this straight -- Liddy Dole fucks with Kay Hagen's rep and you think that Hagen taking legal action in defense of herself, and SHE'S the dick?
I suppose -- if you're a goddamned Thug. Fuck that shit. Kerry should have sued those Swiftboat assholes and Obama should go after the WATBs who think it's nothing to tell lies.
No no no. Dole is the one who looks like a dick.
me-oww!
Miss Kitty!!
And I think MORE politicians should sue the shit out of people who like like this.
There is slander and liable and, I am sorry, I want some truth from these assholes...all of them.
They should be held to some kind of standards.
Terrorist, socialist, communist, ATHEIST! (Hell, I am pretty ok with a couple of those. Get religion out of politics and give us fucking healthcare, if you call it socialist)
I am totally with you! Completely and totally.
It is a terrible idea to encourage politicians into the realm of suing people for slander or libel, even their opponents. They know what they are getting into in politics in this country, as debased and slimy as it has become.
Pretty soon we would have politicians who are well connected and well funded already, suing citizens.
It is a terrible idea.
statusquObama, change you can only pretend in
Your foresight into this potential litigious problem brings to mind journalism major Sarah Palin calling the simple exercise of the first amendment... a threat to her first amendment rights?!
I'm with you MsJoanne--sue this fuckwit till hell freezes over. Since Neocons love money so much perhaps losing a chunk of it will send their dumb, foulmouth ass a message.
"We will find fulfillment not in the goods that we have, but in the good we can do for each other."
Robert F. Kennedy
I think I would much prefer that Hagan sue for False Light, not Defamation. After all, I do not consider it defamatory to say that Hagan either works with atheists or is an atheist. There's nothing wrong with either, and I would not want a precedent set to the effect that calling someone an atheist is grounds for defamation.
False light is a similar tort, one in which a non-defamatory lie is told about someone, and I would rather that be the basis for the case.
Everyone is equally entitled to the pursuit of happiness. Wasn't that once self evident?
I have to agree here. The ad is stupid, its intended to defame, but it shouldn't. I'm not the type to get worked up over nothing, but as an atheist I find this is extremely unhelpful. This lawsuit is essentially confirming that being an Atheist is a bad thing. The news on Pharyngula is that Hagan has even gone so far as to refer to hanging out with atheists because 'that's how you convert them'.
Simple rule of thumb, if you search and replace atheist with another group identifier, such as say, 'homosexual' or 'african american' or 'woman' or 'jewish person' and you're horrified by the context, then its probably a bad idea.
Hagan is going to be better than the alternative, but there's no need to turn teeth on people who were supporting you the moment the merry cross waving lunatics come marching up to scream at you. Word to the wise: You're a Democrat, the types that are going to be scared off because you pal around with the godless aren't going to vote for you no matter how much you kiss up to the Churchgoing. All this does is make you seem weak, reactionary and most of all, untrustworthy to 16% of the populace.
-Trent
It would be incredibly dangerous to set the precedent that being labeled an atheist is somehow defamation of character. It makes me think twice about Hagan's attitudes, to tell you the truth. Is she making any effort to claim that, while she is not an atheist, there is nothing wrong with being one? That in fact, our country was founded by a few of them?
augie. Unfortunately.many people-even elected officials- don't know The Law-The Bill of Rights. Back in 1967, I had a History teacher who said 'IF the Bills of Rights would be voted on TODAY,IT would fail (voted down). That was 1967.
Wow, that would have been the correct tort. This one makes Hagan seem as despicable as Dole, or even worse, for taking umbrage at an innocuous, however erroneous, assertion.
I can't appreciate hearing that being called an atheist is in any fashion defamatory. That got me worked up. People look to Hagan for guidance and admire her. Hagan and Dole should BOTH offer apologies to atheists.
are you kidding? she is running in a holy roller state
let her win first, then we can deal with religious issues
christ...stop being your own worst enemy
What a f_cked up place if she's the best hope. It's like we annexed Iraq.
Uncle Joe McCarthy,
I can certainly appreciate that it would not be politically expedient for her to retort by championing the rights of atheists. However, I do not appreciate her claiming that by being labeled an atheist that she has been defamed.
Everyone is equally entitled to the pursuit of happiness. Wasn't that once self evident?
I take offense to Dole claiming that Hagan is an Atheist. Can I sue?
Dole will likely lose not because of the despicable ad, not because of the economy, and not because of the lawsuit. She will lose because she has probably been the most ineffective and inattentive Senator that North Carolina has ever had in its history as a state.
Dole is known not only for her silence on the Senate floor during signifcant debates, but for her physical absence from her so-called home state. She much prefers her DC condo. She represents precisely much of what is wrong with that one branch of our government.
Yeah, I think she has been in the state of North Carolina 30 days in the last 6 years or something. Typical Republican.
“Well, I believe in God,” Hagan says in her own advertisement. “I taught Sunday school. My faith guides my life, and Sen. Dole knows it.”
Hagan's campaign has noted that her family has attended the same Presbyterian church for more than a century.
I'm not into the god thing but for this DOLE person to attack an obvious Christian like this will surely send her to hell in a hand basket.
Lizzy broke one of her own 10 commandments.#9
"Thou shall not bear false witness"
Ok lizzy, explain that when you get to your pearly gates.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
So, what does Dole do?
She makes ANOTHER "godless" ad.
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/dole-atta...
How does this "Christian" woman look herself in the mirror? I suggest that Ms. Dole not step outside...God would not be happy about her lying - about God.
Bobby stopped taking viagra.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
Or it stopped working.
Yuuukkkkkkkk!
What is your conceptual, continuity?
It's not even 'GODLESS LIBRILS' It's GodLess Amercuns. and a WOMAN read the ad. WaHoo! rednecks for Christ!......Is That an oxymoron?
In Blackjack, not politics.
Maybe she shouldn't take gambling tips from John McCain.
Dole is finished. I really beleive the Southerners sre embarassed of their chioces the last couple of elections. the Red States look like a bunch of pathetic hicks, and so they should. Maybe a dose of reality will wake them from their ignorant slumber.
Wow. I've been away from home for a few weeks so i've missed these ads. You've already received my vote, Kay.
I don't see how anyone could vote for a woman that looks like the Joker anyway. Hit Lizzy were it hurts.
Mrs. Dole started off her career by stealing the 9/11 victims money and then running for office. Now she's attacking fellow Christians so much for Elizabeth Dole's belief in God and her faith.
People are missing the larger point. That to be called an atheist is inherently bad. WTF?! Shame on DOle for going all stupid. Shame on Hagan for her missed opportunity to stand up for atheists. Remember when Colin Powell was endorsing Barak Obama? Remember when he asked about Barak Obama being a Muslim? Remember what he said? It nearly made me cry...He said, "even if Barak Obamas were a Muslim, so what?"
So who in the media, or what political figure is gonna step up and say, "even if Kay Hagan were an atheist, so what?"
is VERY MUCH about religion. Tour The South somtime. Tour 'rural Amerca'. Religion is very much,if not the only,thing They have.
Are they bitter?
But Dole is clingin' to her bible.
Does she have a gun?
But does she hunt MOOSE?
Never tasted one. Heh.
We're not going to get very far if you keep injecting logic into the conversation!
is one thing. Throwing atheists under the bus by inferring they are low-lives (defamed!) is another.
Kay needs to sue the pants off Mrs. Erectile Dysfunction! Grrr....go get her! She's been an absentee representative to the people of North Carolina anyway - just like Sarah Palin has been absent as a Governor.
But Palin's got one up on Mrs. E.D. - her colleagues had buttons made saying: "where's sarah?".
What we've seen in the dispicable tactics of Liddy Dole is the very same disgusting tactics we've seen with Simpleton Sarah on the stump. Both of these women need to exit our political arena and soon!
Somebody actually Elected Her? OY!!!!!
here to simply be that Dole is lying. Being "accused" of being an atheist, Muslim, or whatever isn't an insult - like that crazy lady from my home state of Minnesota who "accused" Obama of being an Arab and McCain said "No, he's a decent family man. A citizen." Decent? A citizen? Like an Arab can't be a decent family man or a citizen of the US? I'm tired of all of this crap. I'm an atheist - call me godless that's fine, since I am and that is the truth; but don't lie about my ethics, "Americaness," humanist beliefs, rationalism, intelligence, or morals - and don't infringe on my civil rights or stomp on my Constitution. THEM be fightin' words and actions....
It just makes me sad. What the hell is WRONG with being an atheist? It's no more heinous than being a Muslim or a Jew or a Buddhist or a Hindu or any other faith (or non-faith) of one's choice.
The ad shouldn't have just been about 'It's a lie, I am a Christian', it should have been about 'and why should it matter, anyway, if another candidate were an atheist? Bigotry is bigotry, and should have no place in this election.'
This was supposed to be a country built on the premise of freedom of choice in one's religion, 'godless' or otherwise. How dare Dole assert that someone isn't a good person if they are an atheist. And how dare Hagan think that slur shouldn't matter.
Go for it, Kay Hagan. Just don't forget that people who aren't Christians vote too...
In North Carolina it's actually written in to the constitution that the denial of "Almighty God" disqualifies you from office. (Article 6 sec. 8) What a fucked up state, don't be surprised if Dole get re-elected by a large margin.
this is the editorial from the yated neeman...a leading newspaper among the observant jews
i am totally disgusted
http://rabbipinchoslipschutz.blogspot.com/
this "rabbi" posts internet rumor as fact...of course, his publication frequently decries the internet as being evil, insists that one should not have it in his/her home, but that doesnt stop the rabbi from reprinting lies that originated on wingnut blogs and from wingnut emails....certain he is that his readership cannot check on them.
rabbi lipshutz...just another i have added to my list of who deserves a boot to the head
I guess it'll be a cold day in hell (so to speak) before a rational human being who doesn't believe in invisible fairy-warriors is elected to Congress - well, at least in Carolina.
She should have said, "You old bag. You're just frustrated because your man takes all those penis medications and then runs out and does it with small boys, leaving you to have oral sex with the house maid. I know all about you, flea bag! Believe in God? You bet I do. Because Jesus comes in through my bed room window every night and gives me the Good News! I'm Kay 'Crazy for Jesus' Hagan and I approve this message."
How pathetic/ridiculous is it that a person running for public office in the United States now has to go on the airwaves to defend their credentials as a believer?!? Like Presbyterian isn't Christian enough now? Are we going to be bringing back the practice of burning heretics next? (I can just see Liddy Dole and Sarah Palin gleefully lighting the pyre.)
Nuking NYC should do.
McCain Employs ‘Elizabeth Dole Strategy’ Against Obama
Those Blue pills must have stopped working for ole Bob Dole. Apparently,{ Yes, SiteMonitor}
yeah, I kinda thought so....sorry.
how do you feel about donkey shows?
/still too far?
{Not in Ensenada.:}
Lets all put our money where out minds are.
http://kayhagan.com/welcome
"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ". Mohandas Gandhi
And check this out. I had no idea such laws existed in this country.
North Carolina's State Constitution, Article 6 Section 8
"Disqualifications of office. The following persons shall be disqualified for office: First, any person who shall deny the being of Almighty God."
For real. Scary. Is this really contitutional. I live in Va and we have no such restrictions. Does anybody else know if their state's constitution has such language.
I didn't know that. I am an Atheist living in NC since 1993. I am not too suprised it's in NC's Constitution. North Carolina is full of CHRISTIAN BIGOTS! I was born and raised in Vermont. I have and accent. I have been harassed for being a Northerner. DAMN YANKEE go the hell home I have been told on more then one occasion. I know where the KKK meeting house is in a certain small town and some of the attendee's are BAPTISTS. Fucking every Sunday Bible beating BAPTIST'S. I have carried a pocket knife since I was 14 years old given to me by my Atheist father. I was told that I am in the Bible Belt now and that I (a female) shouldn't be carrying it. Fuck them. I still carry it and always will.
Let me tell you it is not easy. I proudly display my Darwin fish w/legs sticker on the back of my vehical. I run the Interstate most of the time. I usually run the hammerlane w/the hammer down about 10mph over the speed limit. When those Bible Beating Grannies see it "LMFAO" they speed up and try to pass. I won't let them though.
This state if full of Bigots in every shape and form. Most of the
Bigots I run into are Christians. Lady Dole fits right in.
Unfortunately Dole is pulling Hagan off a really hot topic among locals, the fact Dole is never in North Carolina.
Dole is known as a carpetbagger now and that message is really doing well among the rural vote. Hagan needs to get back to that quickly.
I disagree emphatically that Dole's claim is the "lowest of campaign smears in the 2008 election cycle."
How about a little perspective?
Calling someone a traitor or terrorist (or even implying it) is much worse than calling someone "Godless" or not a Christian. Either treason or terrorism could lead to prison or even execution. Accusing someone of favoring teaching sex education to kindergarteners is also worse. That's really about child abuse.
Wow, if being Godless is such a horrible thing, shouldn't I be feeling terrible about myself, since I'm an atheist?
What Dole did is the kind of scummy crap we've come to expect from Republicans. It's really bad because it is all that ignorant North Carolina voters need to justify not voting for Hagan, and it is designed to cost Hagan the election. I actually agree it is worse than the usual run of the mill attack ad (in part because it is a complete lie), but it is not even close to being as bad as calling someone a traitor, terrorist, or child abuser. It is much more akin to accusing Obama of being a Muslim. It's great fodder for the really stupid and ignorant, but just as there is nothing fundamentally wrong with being a Muslim, there's also nothing wrong with being an atheist, so (as Colin Powell pointed out) accusing someone of being something that is neither a crime nor unethical should not be an issue.
Liddy Dole: Scumbag
I think it's more the method than the message that makes this ad so awful. Putting Hagen face on screen with words that were just made up whole cloth. Nobody said what she is acused of saying yet they used a voice over to imply it. That's what makes this so awful. I would argue that putting words into someone's mouth is worse than twisting them.
The McCain ads about Obama have claimed things that were absolutely lies, just like putting words into someone's mouth that they never said is lying.
But I do agree with you that the way this was done -- a voice impersonator -- really is exceptionally despicable. I'm glad Hagan is suing Dole and I hope she wins both the lawsuit and the Senate seat. Then Dole can rot in hell -- except I don't believe in hell (apart from it being eight years with George Bush as president).
There is nothing much uglier than a desperate Republican.
If Libby has one more face lift, her skin will be so tight that she won't be able to get DUMBYA 41's pecker in her mouth!
Frankly being accused of being an Athiest should be taken as a compliment. *sigh, I never lived in the McCarthy era were things this weird then?
Apparently, there is a religious test for public office in North Carolina.
United States Constitution Article VI, section 3:
The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.
Thanks. I posted this up a little while ago.
North Carolina's State Constitution, Article 6 Section 8
"Disqualifications of office.
The following persons shall be disqualified for office: First, any person who shall deny the being of Almighty God."
So I don't understand how the N. Carolina state constitution can be reconciled with the 'real' Constitution. I'm just a dumb o' carpenter. Are there any lawyers out there who could explain this apparent contradiction? And has anyone ever challenged it or taken it to the SCOTUS.
I would like to know that to.
It is a very interesting question...
I didn't realize you had to believe in an apparently singular God to be eligible for public office in North Carolina. Pretty medieval stuff, really. Of course, North Carolina barely agreed to join the original 13 colonies in declaring independence from old King George. They were definitely on the fence.
However, Dole and Hagan are running for the UNITED STATES Senate, not the North Carolina Senate, which should render the North Carolina Constitution inoperative in this case.
Any Constitutional scholars or lawyers care to opine?
I did a little research this morning and found this great site that explains it all very well. Scroll about halfway down to the Toscano Vs Watkins case
http://www.religioustolerance.org/texas.htm
So it's not as bad as it seems
That is an excellent explanation. Thanks for posting it.
We are witnessing a sad phenomenom in politics this cycle....the politicians who can't leave on a positive note. Both John McCain and Elizabeth Dole have had good reputations in politics. Both are career politicians with accomplishments. Neither seems to know when the hell to retire. Why couldn't McCain take the Straight Talk Express and the high regard of the media and ride off into the sunset at 72? Likewise, why couldn't Dole a former cabinet secretary, head of the Red Cross and decent senator just give up the ghost and retire with her elderly husband to the front porch of their Carolina home?
Jeez, do these folks think they are entitled to go on forever?
To leave after such bitter campaigning and with bad feeling all around seems a sad end to a couple of otherwise good careers.
..on both sides.
I'm still smarting over John Edwards :(
John turned out to be a real disappointment. Tawdry and lacking in character. If he can't keep his pants zipped and stand by his partner in such a serious situation as she is facing today, then he was definitely the wrong guy for the job. But personally disappointing on so many levels.
John turned out to be a real disappointment. Tawdry and lacking in character. If he can't keep his pants zipped and stand by his partner in such a serious situation as she is facing today, then he was definitely the wrong guy for the job. But personally disappointing on so many levels.
I wish people's beliefs/religion weren't an issue...
Atheists or Agnostics or 'Godless People' are not evil people!
Its as though not believing in an invisible magic man in the sky is a character flaw.
As somebody above said- Hagan should apologise to Atheists/non believers for saying that being an Atheist/non believer is an offensive idea.
I consider most atheists and secular humanists to be among the best informed, most creative, rational and compassionate people on the planet.
...for Hagan to recant her words.
Still, I have to wonder, she might be vile as Rep. Monique Davis. Davis to atheist Rob Sherman: `It’s dangerous for our children to even know that your philosophy exists!'
Atheist? Under the bus or in the back. Dems are supposed to be better than this.
The ad was almost comical because it was the most over the top and blatant example of slander I've ever seen...
How could they not realize this would result in a lawsuit??
I hope Hagan sues this fascist cameltoe for every penny she has...
..where SNL and The Onion leaves off and so-called 'reality' takes over.
When my brain isn't just too damned tired, my body can actually still experience a chill from the absurdity of it all.
Take heart knowing that Presbyterians is an anagram for Britney Spears.
(h/t to country singer comedienne Tammy Faye Starlite)
Above is the number to Elizabeth Dole's Campain. Please everyone call it and voice your opinion of her dirty tactics and DEMAND an apology. Light those phones up and make those dirty bastards actually work.
I am glad to know that there are others out there like me. It is lonely being an Atheist in North Carolina. It felt like I was the only one other then my father. It is good to know I am not the only one really pissed off by Dole's attack on Atheists. None of my Christian friends understand. I had to even put one in his place this morning. No holds barred.
It is also funny, all of my friends are Christian in one form or another. It kills me that my Methodist friend and his Baptist friend fight about who's worship is right. When they bring the fight to me I tell them if they want to prove it to me then they need to show me the Math & Science backing up their claims, otherwise keep their mouths shut. They usually leave me alone after that. They don't have a bible with that in it. If they are persistant then I tell them unless they want their feelings hurt they best leave me alone. Then I tell that that their blind faith is the equivelent to me taking Harry Potter literally. They get bent for a few and then drop the subject.
The sad thing about it though, I could show them the Math & Science and they wouldn't even understand it.
I wrote a letter to my local ACORN office about two or three weeks ago suggesting that they look into the possibility of bringing suit against John McCain, the RNC, or specific media pundits for defamation. Specifically on the grounds that the good name of ACORN has been forever tarnished by misleading, false, and unfounded accusations--that have resulted in death threats and violence.
Anyone know what the polls are showing for these two bone heads?
I'd be very interested to know, even though many polls are kind of fleeting and ridiculous at best.
Strangely, there's no mention of them both bearing false witness against atheists. Both talk as if there were something wrong with being one, in much the same way people used to talk about "fags", "ni****s", or "ki**s". Dole is saying the equivalent of "ni**** lover" and Hagan is saying the equivalent of "I don't associate with darkies".
(Edit: It seems C&L has a censorship filter. Unfortunately, sometimes the use of "obscene" words is necessary to make a point, and the bot prevents that.)
I didn't use those words to inflame. I used those words to show that the same mindset still exists, the hate has just shifted to a different target. Those who perpetrate the hate against atheists, however, are the same people who once perpetrated hate against gays, blacks and jews. They stopped hating those groups because it wasn't socially acceptable, not because they didn't want to.
It's why more rational, natural people like us need to regularly go blue in the face trying to patiently explain simple matters like these to the less fortunate, cerebrally challenged.
It's a long haul, but we don't have the baggage to carry around like they do either.
The US Constitution is clear about there not being a religious test. And (IIRC) thanks to the 14th Amendment the US Constitution supercedes the state constitutions. This means that if it ever came down to it the courts would have no choice to simply throw those bogus state constitution laws barring atheists from holding public offices out. I think this has already happened in some states. IIRC there used to be 19 or so states with such wordings in their constitutions.
Anyway I've written emails to Olbermann, Maddow, Hagan, and Blizter. I am wondering where some of the secular/atheist and separation of church and state organizations are regarding this. I have a feeling that The Freedom From Religion Foundation's radio show will talk about it. It's (or at least was on Air America) on Saturdays but an easy link to the podcast can be found here www.ffrf.org
I posted this up above but bears repeating.
This site helps explain it. http://www.religioustolerance.org/texas.htm
Scroll about halfway down to:
Why these religious restrictions are no longer valid:
"These phrases are historical relics, left over from earlier times. The First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution supersedes any applicable statutory laws and sections of state constitutions. It thus nullifies the effect of the above clauses. This was confirmed by the U.S. Supreme Court, as described below."
U.S. Supreme Court case -- Torcaso v Watkins
Truly frightening. Better to have defended herself by deflecting. Instead she grabs her bible and sets herself up as no better than her opponent.
My time to talk and sue will be after the election! You can count on it!
Sorry I posted in the wrong spot Pls ignore
Does it not? We elect internet predators to office and men with WIDE stance who like to have sex in nasty public bathrooms (hey, I don't care if you are homosexual, but the only thing I think of in one of those bathrooms is how do I get out of this filthy germ infested room faster!). If Steven's wins - we elect felons! But merely being called an atheist threatens to damage your chances for office!
I think I am am going to leave to Canada and ask for asylum because of religeous persecution! Rather, the religeous persecute me...
When she could have shown class and Colin Powelled her, she chose the easy route and abandoned the most descriminated class of people in the US. THANKS! I guess I will probably die before the US affords the same civil liberties to folks who temper their beliefs based on EVIDENCE.
Good for her!
Elizabeth Dole,
I am an Atheist living in North Carolina and I vote.
I have on the back window of my vehical in big white letters, "DOLE IS A BIGOT!" right under my Darwin fish.
This has been getting LOTS of attention from the folks running I85 / I40 between Greensboro & Raleigh. I can run 200 miles a day and that's not including the extra-cirricular I WILL be running.
It will stay there until you either LOSE the election or remove your 2nd ad and apologize to the American people for being a Bigot, Hypocrit, & Ignoramous.
Atheist voices NEED to be heard.
Doles Campaign # 704-633-0014
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