December 17, 2009 10:00 AM
Move On Trying To Raise One Million Dollars To Help Beat Joe Lieberman
Senator Joe Lieberman is relishing the spotlight as he gleefully continues his assault on the American people and our health care. He is bought and paid for by corporate lobbyists and loves the thought that he, and he alone, can do so much damage to health care reform -- but he needs to be held responsible for his actions.
Move On has started a campaign to raise money to defeat Holy Joe, you can donate here if you like. Michael Moore has demanded the citizens of Connecticut immediately begin a recall of Lieberman or face a boycott of their state.
My guess is Joe will not run again.
If he does run I hope he gets creamed.
I will find some way to help and will send $$ to a progressive challenger.
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
...I'm sure he has guaranteed employment with some insurance company somewhere.
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If he was planning to retire anyway and is acting as Obama's 11-dimensional pawn.
He'll never run again - he'd be annihilated.
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I'd love to beat Joe Lieberman with a club rolled together from 1 million $1 bills.
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
He might like that (ew grossed myself out)
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
...I'd do it for travel expenses and a new Louisville Slugger (ash, not maple, please)!
"Buy the ticket, take the ride."
Hunter S. Thompson
from my Xmas recipes. Even if his ancestors did kill whats his name.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
Nutmeg can get a person high ricky. It is being removed from all food items and taken from the shelves. just like the flavored tobaccos (except Barry's favorite flavor, Menthol)
I answer the call. I do all my Xmas shopping on September 11 and have still not played a round of golf while our soldiers are in The general vicinity of mid eastern oil deposits. Do I have to give up Kools as well?
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
It is an indispensable pantry item for custard, pumpkin pie, pumpkin cheesecake, all manner of muffins etc.
There'd be a RIOT on the Food Channel if that happened, so I do hope you're kidding curt....
As to the whole recall thing:
Go read the Constitution.
Senators are under the jurisdiction of the Federal government, not the states.
There is no recall for Senators or Representatives. It would take a constitutional amendment.
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
I was just kidding about the nutmeg abby.
about boycotting Connecticut. Or the guy behind trhe Hooters prank is yanking Mike's Tweeter.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
insurance policies that originate from companies based in Connecticut. There's a good start.
each state constitution determines how to impeach or recall its officials, and the state of Connecticut has no such provision. They are as stuck as we are with Holy Joe.
"Nutmeg can get a person high"
I did not know that.
Just read a little about it. Not recommended from what I've read so far.
Very interesting.
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
Popular in prisons I've heard. haven't tried it myself but I did try morning glory seeds. Woa nelly. Stay away.
I've got a stash for now - but I can foresee a time then, when we'll be having to bring it in over the borders. This critical job won't be for the faint of heart.
How can they grind us into dust - turn us into a third world country - give away all our jobs - force us into health insurance programs that will break our backs financially -- enslave us to the egregious usury fees of the banking industry -- and then deny us the comfort of nutmeg?
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If you think that boycotting nutmeg is going to hurt Ct in anyway, you are mistaken. It's called the nutmeg state but that doesn't mean much these days. You'd have better results boycotting gambling than nutmeg.
I thought the ROMANS killed whatshizname. This response is to ricky's post.
... of the anti-Semitic sergeant's exam that the Chicago Police Department used to administer. A typical example is this lieutenant's interview with three candidates.
The first candidate, is an older cop from Bridgeport.
"Well, officer," said the lieutenant, "You've got a good record, good test scores, good background... I have just one question: Who killed Christ?"
"The Jews killed Christ." the officer replied.
"Congratulations, Sergeant." said the lieutenant.
The next candidate was young officer from West Rogers Park.
"Well, officer." said the lieutenant, "You have an excellent record, high test scores, great qualifications all the way around. I'm a fair man and I'm going to ask you the same question I ask everybody: Who killed Christ?"
"Um, let me see..." the candidate nervously began sensing something was wrong, "The Jews did not even have the death penalty at the time. Christ was sentenced to death by Pontius Pilate, the Roman prefect, and executed by Roman centurions. The Romans killed Christ."
"Thank you, officer." said the lieutenant, "We'll be in touch."
The third candidate was another young officer, this time from from Avondale. "I'm going to get right to the point." said the lieutenant, "Just one question: Who killed Christ?"
The young officer scratched his chin thinking as quickly as he could of the answer that would get him promoted. Fearful that he was taking too much time, the candidate opened his mouth to speak, but was interrupted by the lieutenant.
"You seem to be a fine candidate with good background. I'll tell you what. Go home, think about it, and we'll talk tomorrow."
The officer left the station and went home where his family, eager for news about the promotion - and the raise - greeted him at the door asking: "Did you get it? Did you get it?"
"Well," said the officer, again scratching his chin, "I don't know for sure about the promotion yet....
But I have been assigned to this huge murder case."
Corruption favors the wealthy.
"grand finale" docu-film, one that exposes the corruption, over time, of the Democratic Party, how it has sold it's soul and making their supporters look like the plum fools, idiots, and sycophants?
Even “Progressives for Obama” are fleeing in the opposite direction and are now calling themselves “Progressive America Rising.”
It's time to strip the Obama sticker off my car. Obama's escalation in Afghanistan is the last in a string of disappointments.. . Tom Hayden
would be an excellent film. But Barry O. would probably order Hannah Montana 2 and another damn Twilight film to run against it to distract the public.
NOBODY 2012
I don't think there is any way to recall a Senator or Representative. The only way to remove them after they've been seated is to have either the House or Senate expell them
But that didn't stop Henry II. His infamous (probably apocryphal) quote: "Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?"
Wasn't this bill essentially destroyed before Lieberman got to it? the only thing that will work is single payer, and that was gone long before Lieberman ever reared his head.
Go ahead and recall the bastard, but it takes a village to screw up this bad. Expand and continue your recall efforts until we are down to less than 10 senators.
Let's try to keep the facts straight.
Sorry savannah. I was remembering back to the time early this year that single payer advocates were denied a space at the negotiating table. In my mind, it was possible until then.
weren't they? I am so angry about this. Sorry I bitched at you.
They complained when it didn't make it to the table - they were shut up quickly though. I think leadership was afraid the idea would pick up steam with the voters.
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The guy couldn't even win the nomination of his own party and he still won. Yet more proof that popularity has less to do with democracy than money does.
You can say that again.
people refusing delivery on? It isn't a conspiracy theory, it is a fact. Research it.
The guy couldn't even win the nomination of his own party and he still won. Yet more proof that popularity has less to do with democracy than money does.
Hey look, you said it again.
I needed a good laugh.
Does CT use Diebold, ES&S or Sequoia machines? Maybe he owes the GOP for his miraculous re-election?
*Puts on tin foil hat*
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
supported him over their own candidate.
millions spent.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
Same with the Blue Dogs. That is how the corporatists took over. On one hand, it is admirable that you don't have a weasel mentality. On the other had, you DON'T have a weasel mentality. That is why they keep fooling you. One doesn't need to be a weasel to study them. Infiltrating the opposition party has long been a tactic of politicians. Really. I have to go buy another keyboard.
Nice Michael.
Blame it on the entire state of Conneticut then threaten them with boycotts.
Way to win the hearts and minds!!!
Shouldn't we be boycotting Nevada, Louisiana, Illinois, Nebraska and Hawaii too.
After all, aren't Reid, Landreu, Emanual, Nelson and Obama the real culprits?
Have I forgotten any other states we can boycott?
"I can't keep doing this on my own with these...people."
Sylvia Kristel is just too fine an actress. However, since Obama is our first black President I will boycott the films with Laura Gemser.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
L-Obama C-Lieberman R-Palin
http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/bl...
This is also a great message to the future closet Lieberman's in the party.
Defeat ol' weasel Joe? Now there's something worth starting a blood drive for!
Lieberman is not a Democrat.
Obama is the culprit, it is his piece of shit bill, pure and simple.
They are all bought out.
Except for Bernie Sanders, Dennis Kucinich and a precious few others, they all must go.
How will you do that?
statusquObama, change you can only pretend in
They are all bought out.
Nice...but...this is news?
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
most people are lashing out at any convenient target but the main culprit. Denial isn't just a river in Egypt.
After all Obama said this bill is everything he wanted.
who is up for re-election next year.
That would be the ENTIRE House and a third of the Senate.
On the same slate nationally.
This would be easy to organize.
We need to stand up strong against the Democrats and Republicans even if we know we have no chance of winning.
We need to leave these boards, take off our pajamas, walk up out of the basement and file in our districts against these jerks. Running as Democrats in the primary would get us the most votes and exposure and we'd be invited to any debates/forums, be interviewed by local media etc.
Oh, and BTW, if you run with my idea (paragraph above), be sure to put some clothes on before leaving the basement.
Doh.
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
It happens to be the President.
There is a reason he lept to the defense of joe last year, and this is it. Face it, the President is a bluedog. Look who he has surrounded himself with.
Sunday when joe popped off, where he send rahm? To Harry Reid.
He did nothing to joe, he went to the White House Hanukkah Party last night. He is the is the straw man. With joe, the President called in a favor.
Has the President put up a fight for single payer? A public option. No. He delivers 35 million new customers to united health care.
He came out Tuesday saying we just HAD to pass this thing, looking just like bush when he came running out saying they had to pass on the FISA bill.
This bill is the one the President WANTED. He had max baucus standing behind him when he spoke yesterday. The bill is basically the one that MB wrote. The President's deal with Pharma, would have in jeopardy if the Dorgan bill passed, The white house stepped on it. With this bill he delivers 30 million+ customers to insurance companies. We would have to pay a premium with a preexisting condition. This all flies in the face of how the President campaigned and how e argued into the summer.
Watching tweety try to call out Dean yesterday showed just how pathetic the villager argument is.
The President has consistantly dealt against the progressives and placated conservadems and the people from maine.
Place the rage where it belongs and it starts at the top.
I really think another part of this is a setup. The progressives are going to be pissed, and Howard Dean stepped into it. We are going to go into an election year with the republican owned MSM saying it was 'the left'. Fuck that. Let ben nelson or blanche lincoln shoot it down.
Today, mrs greenspan, chuck todd, david gregory all focussed on 'the left' and Dean.
This move was to cut reid off at the knees. Again, why would the President INSTANTLY tell reid to cave to joe, and not have joe in for a one on one?
Greenwald....
http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_green...
Lieberman (or Snowe, or Nelson, or whoever) is as big a player on HCR as Obama and Reid allow them to be.
Their idiotic decision to pursue a 60 senate vote approval has reulted in this disaster.
All of the appeasing and capitulaions to this handfull of assholes, from Baucus's committee parity to Nelsons abortion and pro-insurance company demands to Snowe's no public option and so on and so on, are a result of this incredibly stupid decision.
Imagine if this bill were being legislated in the Senate with a simple majority being the goal? Nobody would give a shit what Olympia Snowe or asshole Lieberman wanted. Unbelievable. Thank Obama and Reid for King Joe.
What a needless failure.
All of the appeasing and capitulaions to this handfull of assholes, from Baucus's committee parity to Nelsons abortion and pro-insurance company demands to Snowe's no public option and so on and so on, are a result of this incredibly stupid decision.
Stupid decision? or a calculated one? It was planned and orchestrated from the start to end this way, all part of the good cop/ bad cop shtick in 21st century Amerika's human comedy.
Recent read an excellent article (sorry I can't remember where or I'd link it) about how through the institution of the Senate, a minority of American people is holding the rest of the country hostage. A small state like Connecticut has EXACTLY as much representation in the Senate as a huge state like California or New York. Fair? I think not. I hope Connecticutters feel duly ashamed for reelecting this bitter, bitter man who only months ago was FOR health reform before he was against it. Disgraceful. He is toast next time he runs.
The others are just straw men paid to detract from the truth. We will never fix this, because people will not face the truth.
But the Founding Fathers never envisioned a California! A Florida! And now we are saddled with a Senate, two by two from each state, when the Senate should be either eliminated or reconfigured so there's a minimum ONE senator from each state and the other 50 apportioned by population. Because what we have now -- government by the wealthy minority -- is not representative democracy.
meh, moveon...
the HCR failure rests squarely on the shoulders of the dems, and esp the obama administration.
The failure rests on Progressives who allowed their representatives to cut deals with and allow amendments by Lieberman and the GOP.
You have two options
1) push primary challengers and punish the Democrats that hurt you...forget about Lieberman...he's untouchable now...he's not running anymore...BUT...you can push for him to lose chairmanships...but I'm tellin ya now...don't waste ur time...Harry Reid will not do it. Harry Reid must GO.
2) Buy firearms.
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
That's what Goldman Sac's exec's are doing takes two to tango the ol saying goes.
Those idiots are buying pistols! Like those are effective at distance.
Those were the one's Lamont let manage his money. At least that is how he explained his investments in Wal Mart after he attacked Lieberman for supporting Wal Mart. Well all politicians are alike.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
And ammo. Buy all the ammo you think you will need, then buy twice that amount and then double it again. If you like to shoot at the range, then you can never have too much. If something should happen, it will be more valuable than any other single item.
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"face a boycott of their state"
Yeah I'll stop eating clams right away (except the bearded variety). That'll teach 'em
/rolleyes
It's not their fault. Remember they voted for the right guy. And holy joe butted his way in after the fact. This man is evil. He needs to go down hard. Remember too he screwed us in 2000.
Butted in after what fact? Who was the "right" guy "they" voted for?
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
EP3 is referring to the primaries. The Democrats dropped Joe in favor of Ned Lamont. It was after that that Joe decided to go all "mavericky" and form his own party of one.
This is the bill Obama wanted. Joe is just being a useful idiot in helping Obama get it. The Democrats all fear the money of big pharma and insurance being used against them in elections, which is why they are beign so weasely.
Obama never wanted the public option. He sent his spokesman out to say "The President's preference is for a public option..." Weasel worlds.
We've all been played for suckas and chumps.
Hope-a-dope.
I half wonder if Obama is a Republican manchurian candidate.
We'll see how much longer Obama can maintain his phony facade before it all comes crumbling down that's for sure.
To Tiger is human.
Obama's divine.
manufactured persons.
An entire century…
statusquObama, change you can only pretend in
In Living Color's Cult of Personality.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xxgRUyzgs0
Some how seemed appropriate.
has been running through my head for a couple of weeks now. Hmmmmmmmm......
sheep in sheep's clothing. Maybe he's an ass in sheep's clothing. The only thing I am sure of is that he's not a cat in sheep's clothing.
I'd love to see the mock-outrage from some of you had a Republican compared Tiger Woods to Obama.
I'm "outraged".
Happy?
"I can't keep doing this on my own with these...people."
He can't even bowl, much less play golf.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
The two have nothing to do with each other other than being of mixed race.
It was just an ignorant comparison.
No need to get outraged over every bit of ignance. There's so much of it.
I have the other half…
Pilger does not say it but I might, CIA plant:
John Pilger Socialism 2009
video here
transcript here
statusquObama, change you can only pretend in
doors magically opening with little effort . . money . . prestige . . little taste of power . . etc
who beat the crud out of Ralph Nader and Dennis Kucinich both.
Damn those evil geniuses.
Curse our studidity.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
Speak for yourself.
I suppose you think things are swell, perhaps?
statusquObama, change you can only pretend in
than they could have been.
of the many misled who are now seeing the light a bit late and, having done so, wish to lead the other previously misled souls. It works for televangelists, why not fallen "progressives."
As for your question, I do not think things are swell.
There are way to many people suffereing from delusions in this country with no access to the care they need.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
Do you like the surveillance state?
The endless detention state?
The trillion dollar yearly defense bill?
The endless wars, 34k new troops to Afghanistan, 56k new private contractors to Afghanistan.
Bombing innocent women and children, perhaps.
Maybe you like the Banker's welfare program, trillions, how does that sit with you?
How about the mandated slavery to for-profit health insurance corporations, how do you like that?
Neither Nader or Kucinich would sign on to any of those, so who did you vote for?
Obama? Then congratulations, you have a warmongering corporatist for a President with blood on his hands.
I learned everything I needed to know about Obama with the FISA vote, he said he would fight, when the fight came he didn't fight.
You can fool me once but I'll be damned before you fool me twice.
Till then I had donated money, I didn't ask for it back but I was off his bus.
And donating to Nader, out of my tiny piggy bank.
statusquObama, change you can only pretend in
his age and vote percentage together will add up to 100.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
You are hopeless.
statusquObama, change you can only pretend in
I think it's kinda cute.
;D
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
or being pushed to settle for crumbs. Your list has depressed me. I don't know if I will be voting for Obama in 2012 or just sitting it out.
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"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
Good job missing the point by Michael Moore and MoveOn. The problem is Harry Reid, not Joe Lieberman. Reid is the one allowing Joe Lieberman to call the shots because of Reid's nonsensical insistence on getting 60 votes for any health care bill. We all know that Reid could get a far better bill with a 50-vote reconciliation.
Why doesn't Harry Reid go with reconciliation? Because he's a Renfield, just like Holy Joe.
Get the Renfields out of congress.
The problem is Harry Reid, not Joe Lieberman.
Let's hold each of these whores, Unholy Joe and Reid, accountable for his own actions. This grand fiasco has more than enough blame to go around.
BHO has nothing? I don't believe it.
BHO is like a bad conductor of an orchestra that doesn't care how well the audience likes its music as long as it gets paid.
I had to Google that, and I've read Dracula.
I think I personally would have gone with "Helots!!!"
Joe is going to make it up to all the progressives.
He's gonna plant a tree in Israel for all of us.
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
Yeah...I'll be happy to water them for him...BTW: is Joe planning to move there to take advantage of the socialized healthcare we so graciously subsidize?
"Buy the ticket, take the ride."
Hunter S. Thompson
It is not a subsidy. It is our employer contribution.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
They should be able to beat him with a limp weenie at least that would be a fair fight.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
but I don't live in Ct. and can't run against him.
..."Help Beat Joe lieberman" and I got all excited. Then I realized you mean beat him at the polls.
..."Help Beat Joe lieberman"
More geniuses. Resources and energy wasted on a candidate that will pull out of the race at the last moment...throw the thing up in the air...and the Republican wins.
One last fucking of the Democratic Party by the worlds biggest Benedict Arnold.
Forget Joe Lieberman. It's over.
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
Does anyone remember some years ago when a cop-beating in Mexico made it into our news? A bunch of little Mexican housewives took baseball bats and sticks and beat the cop who had been shaking them down. He had to be hospitalized. If a group of housewives can do this and make the extortion stop, what should we be doing?
My credit card practically jumped out of the wallet in its eagerness to participate in this action.
But...every Renfield must have his Master.
Who is the Count?
"I can't keep doing this on my own with these...people."
lights are working on Maple Street.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
Capital Hill in protest of this Health Care Reform farce. We should surround K-Street as well.
Turn American Idle off and get busy.
I think I just saw Lieberman driving down I-95. He had two little raisins hanging off of his rear view mirror....oh...wait...they must have been Harry Reid's balls.
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
also.
Lieberman is not worth the attention he is getting and is in fact taking Republicans off the hook. Joe is just another Repub. The real issue is total obstruction as a party's operating principle. Republicans should be hammered on this policy constantly.
D.C. is playing the American people with.
The Republicans do not demonstrate nearly so much hypocrisy as the Democrats.
The Republicans are snakes, they act like snakes. They are not for the common man, ever. Where is the hypocrisy there. Though they talk like deficit hawks they borrow and spend, but the Democrats are no better and that is crystal clear.
The Democrats, on the other hand, TALK as if they for the common man, but when it comes to action, they are actually snakes.
THAT is the hypocrisy.
Dividing and conquering the working class which is well over 60% of the population of the country by hiding the fact the two parties are two heads of the same snake, the Republicrats, that is what DC politics is all about.
statusquObama, change you can only pretend in
Hypocrisy? Your lack of perception amazes me.
The Democratic Party, unlike the Republican Party (or, to put it in a historical context you might understand, the post-purge Russian Bolsheviks), isn't some sort of pure, monolithic entity. It never has been. It allows its constituents to disagree; it allows its elected politicians to cast votes contrary to the party line. When you think about it, what you see as hypocrisy is quite the opposite: It's consistency. The Democratic party is consistently disorganized.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
the Mensheviks and their many contibutions is disheartening, though I will recover. They are often slighted.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
Two different parties. Not germane to the debate.
Now if Alice had said something as blatantly ridiculous as, say, "Congress is hypocritical," we could include the Mensheviks...But she didn't.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
Obama's czars ceded power and they were faced with the task of governing. Ask Palin. She could see the whole thing unfold from her front porch.
Update: I, like M. Moore on the recall thing, could be in error here.
Better check with Michelle Bacnmann too. She may tell you the British Light Brigade wiped out every last one of those pesky Mensheviki at Balaklava.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
...than a party.
And the recall thing is stupid, from top to bottom. There is no apparatus in place to recall an elected federal representative or senator. You can't recall them (or term-limit them) without passing a federal law- and, iirc, that law would have to be in the form of constitutional amendment.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
so I guess we will just have to call for a constitutional convention and open up the whole abortion/gay marriage thing while we are at it.
As for the whole party/caucus thing I think it was geographic. They were a party in the east and a caucus in the Caucuses.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
Here's the way things go down in the Democratic Party.
You get elected, probably with the DNC endorsement and $$. Then you are told what to do.
If you are a lefty progressive from say, Brooklyn, like Weiner, you can rant and rave and make all the noise you like. But in the end you shut your mouth and vote the way you're told or you will lose your job.
Just ask Cynthia McKinney.
I wonder how Dennis Kucinich keeps his job. The people in Cleveland are either highly enamored with him, his beautiful wife or both. Because he continues to butt heads with Rahm and gets away with it.
He's the exception. Not the rule.
The Democratic Party/DNC/DLC is a tightly organized machine. And even though many of us gave money to Obama and hosted parties and got out the vote etc., we are NOT part of that machine.
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
if you think any branch of the Democratic party is well organized you had best stick to nursing.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
When the grassroots Democrats got a whole helluva a lot more candidates elected to the house than did Rahm Emanuel and the DCCC (and the grassroots beat out a lot of Rahmie's candidates in the primaries) . Or '72, when the grassroots got McGovern the nomination, or '76, when it was that populist outsider Jimmy Carter.
Is the Democratic Party more organized than the Green Party, or the Natural Law Party? Maybe. But even if it is, it's not very well organized.
And McKinney lost the primary in '02 because the Republicans crossed over and voted for McKinney's Democratic opponent. Had the GOP not had an unopposed candidate of their own, McKinney might still be a Democrat.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
the public doesn't pay attention to Kucinich that the White House and Rahm in particular don't have to do anything.
Our general low-info public doesn't pay any attention like we in the lefty blogosphere do, and we constantly make the mistake that others are looking at the same things we're looking at.
Read the Democratic Party Platform and tell me if it doesn't sound as if it is directed towards the common man.
Then compare the stated principles to the accepted outcomes.
Here
Then get back to me.
I see loads of hypocrisy on every page.
statusquObama, change you can only pretend in
Alice.
Updated reply:
Indeed, and your rudeness surprises and disappoints me, but no matter.
My perception is fine, thank you just the same. On occasion I have had to eat my words but generally it has been a good diet.
It seems that quite a few people here THOUGHT the Democrats were more about the common weal than they clearly are, and are now expressing their disappointment.
I didn't expect anything from the Democrats so I am not disappointed. I learned my lesson completely with FISA.
But back to your premise:
Read the Democratic Party Platform and tell me if it doesn't sound as if it is directed towards the common man.
Then compare the stated principles to the accepted outcomes.
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Then get back to me.
I see hypocrisy on every page. Except for the pages dedicated to militarism where the Democrats are clearly not going to disappoint.
statusquObama, change you can only pretend in
You seemed to miss the part where I wrote:
The platform and its planks aren't passed by unanimous consent, but by a majority of delegates at the convention. And what occasionally happens is that some of those elected politicians disagree with the planks, and they torpedo legislation in Congress.
My points being, again, that there is no purity test for membership in the Democratic Party, and that when one of those members torpedoes legislation, it demonstrates not hypocrisy on the part of the Democratic Party as a whole, but a consistent disorganization.
Now if the Democratic Party did indeed have some sort of purity test, and a Democratic elected official voted against the will of the party without repercussions, you'd have a point.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
My original statement was this:
I maintain that the first premise is upheld in general by Democrats at large and in general by the party platform. I further maintain the second premise is upheld by the results of the legislation completed.
You seem to be trying to say that in general, the Democrats are for the common man but a few of them torpedo (your word) the benign legislation of the many.
Where is this legislation?
Union choice was an example. But where are the others?
What I see are repeated successful acts that are contrary to the interests of the common man, that begin antithetical to the common weal and finish antithetical to the common weal.
Pressure can come from the top down, see Greenwald here and Ryan Grim here.
This health care reform debacle is the perfect example for me, the credit card reform was another.
They offer platitudes and spin doctoring galore with insidious legislation.
That is hypocrisy. Perhaps you need to review the definition of the word.
The practice of claiming moral standards one does not have.
I did not miss your statement:
Allowing them to disagree but then running them over when they are on the left is the technique of choice.
Witness Howard Dean.
Allowing them to disagree and then congratulating them when on the right is the other technique of choice.
Witness Joe Lieberman. Forgiven for supporting the (apparent) opposition candidate.
You are looking at the window dressing without seeing what is underneath.
You are claiming perception you are not practicing.
statusquObama, change you can only pretend in
Dr. Dean, please run!
Dean Scream . . and not budge when the Dems try to hook him and yank him off stage.
Because that's the scream we're all going to unleash if the bill passes and we're forced to hand over 20% of our incomes to the insurance crooks.
Obama has completely lost me with this bill and revealed his true corporate colors. He's written off as a phony.
You alienate those who donated time and money believing your song and dance of hope and change, and we will dance on the grave of your political career.
Primary his silver-tongued ass.
Oh, because that is the percentage of the vote Dean got in Iowa before the Dean scream. Iowa, where he finished third behind Kerry and Edwards.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
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"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
Dr. Dean, please run! away.
There...fixed it for ya.
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
Seems a dangerous precedent being set here against states' rights. His state voted for him - now we're trying to subvert their pick with outside money. I say the rest of the country needs to deal with it and let Connecticut decide what to do specifically with him.
I can't help but think of the situation where the shoe was on the other foot - it could possibly happen where I had a senator I liked, but a conservative group didn't like his stand on say womens' rights so they raised a whole bunch of money nationwide to oust him. There goes any of my state's choice on who they want to represent them. This is so not right.
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Please keep thinking. This weasel is disrupting the entire country, not just his home state.
I can understand your position, but it still makes no sense to me. How is he getting the power to disrupt the entire country? Dems are giving it to him - let them fix it. Maybe he is doing his state's bidding (I doubt it but if not - let them fix it).
Is that you Hadassah?
You missed my point entirely. For any others - it is about a state to choose who represents them. I feel it is wrong for the nation as a whole to choose who represents a particular state. Only way around it is campaign finance reform that reduces the sway of special interest dollars on an election. So probably not going to happen. Meanwhile, I hope some well funded national group doesn't come after your favorite politician.
Since we are unable to communicate Savannah - I'll bid you adieu..
backing Lieberman. Your revisionist and distorted view of the Lieberman situation is interesting. Dream on.
in California with Prop 8. A lot of Utah Mormon money helped pass it.
I never thought I'd live to see the day where I would be checking out a candidate's religious affiliation before voting for him. I will not be voting a Mormon into any office if I can help it. Not for dogcatcher, even.
He's the perfect pick/cover for the teabaggers.
the christofascists might vote for him - perfect for the "end of days"!
Hmmm...end of days? Is that the new feminine hygiene spray for evangelical females?
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
.... and is now just setting himself up for being an insurance lobbyist. That and settling old scores with liberals.
.... compared to what LIEbermann is getting from Insurance lobbyists and I suspect, fat cat Republicans.
Good on Move On doing something, but wish the people of Conn. would start putting some heat on this piece of human garbage.
... there are no rules for recalling a member of Congress. Can't be done. If you can find grounds for impeachment or treason or something, you can probably get them out, but other than that, they're safe until the next election. All you can do is vote 'em out.
Michael Moore cannot have made such a simple mistake.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
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