Newsmax: Military Coup Would Take Care Of "Obama Problem"
By Logan Murphy Tuesday Sep 29, 2009 6:00pm
From John L. Perry at Newsmax:
There is a remote, although gaining, possibility America's military will intervene as a last resort to resolve the Obama problem. Don't dismiss it as unrealistic.
America isn't the Third World. If a military coup does occur here it will be civilized. That it has never happened doesn't mean it wont. Describing what may be afoot is not to advocate it. So, view the following through military eyes:
Did you get that? Perry doesn't advocate a military overthrow of the Obama administration, he's...just sayin'. Does anyone doubt that we'll see "military coup" signs at the next tea party? Mr. Perry believes he has the pulse of our military, but his assumptions go beyond the pale, straining the limits of credulity:
Top military officers can see the Constitution they are sworn to defend being trampled as American institutions and enterprises are nationalized.
They can see that Americans are increasingly alarmed that this nation, under President Barack Obama, may not even be recognizable as America by the 2012 election, in which he will surely seek continuation in office.
They can see that the economy ravaged by deficits, taxes, unemployment, and impending inflation is financially reliant on foreign lender governments. Read on...
There are so many flaws in this clown's logic, I don't know where to begin. What he's actually describing is George Bush's presidency, not Barack Obama's. If you can stand to click through to Perry's article, I would be most interested to hear your thoughts on his assumptions. As Jamie asked -- can you say treason?
Also worth remembering: Rush Limbaugh actually promoted this idea a few months ago.
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What country is this?
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is disturbingly accurate.
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... Because a Military Coup is about being a Patriot?
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laugh out loud while choking back tears. Too true.
We've had a military industrial coup since about the Eisenhower administration. Republicans see it when Democrats are in power. I saw it as clear as daylight under Bush. And the truth is that the "military industrial" complex and the permanent standing military under a strong executive have created a military regime with a window dressing of democracy and a show of elections every two years.
Right wing fanatics and sensible progressives like me all recognize this reality sometimes, but then we are all tempted by what that military regime can do for our OTHER "issues" and "causes" when our side of the junta gains power, and so we sidle up to it and beg for it to listen to our agendas. (The right wing fanatics get more attention from the military regime under Republicans than we progressives get from the Democratic military regime when "our guys" are in power.)
But, hey, what can you do? This is a permanent reality. We live in a world of power, not democracy.
No, I don't think the military will go after Obama, simply because as far a military spending and basing and the American imperial position around the planet are concerned, why bother? He's on their side. Now if he started a process of industrial retrenchment, American reindustrialization on a non-military basis and imperial retreat, then all bets are off, but killing would be so unnecessary. Corporate money would flow through Congress and block him at every turn. He would become politically dead and that would be enough to maintain the status quo. The military system has its levers of power and it knows how to use them. But it simply won't happen. He's one of them and they know it. He's safe. Rest easy.
George Bush ruined everything.
it's gonna take a while to fix everything.
anything.
I'm not always that optimistic.
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beyond trying to fix anything and well into the "limit the damage as much as possible" phase.
Barack Obama is expanding Bush policies of extrodinary rendition, torture, wiretapping,doubled up on bail-outs, bombing sovereign countries without authority and not to mention continuing the Patriot act.
There are plenty of things that this current president is doing that are illegal and blatantly unconstitutional.
I want mine with chocolate syrup and nuts with whipped cream and a cherry on top.
3 different ice creams, and 2 bananas.
With some Kaluha.
A LOT of Kahlua.
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an Arctic Blast with swirl ice cream in the middle.
All is well.
Within the military too.
Mind-boggling ignorance on display. He assumes that the military is 100% behind this idea.
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the officer corps is only 70-80% hardcore Republican. Enlisted are probably less so.
There are no small number of M-13 in the army now, then there are the white supremacists and other white racists....that could get interesting.
I'm about ready to go buy a weapon. These people are threatening my safety.
that I have had the very same thought.
if it comes to that level of insanity. But I always say just take theirs.
They won't make it out of the parking lot.
without a traffic cop directing them anyway.
It would be just like a Keystone Kops scene.
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I feel the same way. I'm not a gun person, but since the election and the alarmingly ridiculous sentiments expressed by those on the right wing (the fringes, perhaps, but nonetheless echoed by the mainstream) it's made me reconsider my stance on personally owning a gun for protection.
When I tell people to get weapons they tell me "guns aren't the answer." But when the Cons decide to say fuck it and start the Second Civil War, I don't intend to let my family end up in a concentration camp.
Always considered myself pro gun control, until someone pointed out to me the dangers of a government not in fear of it's citizens. I'm with you!
But the suggestion/ call for it is seditious and treasonous.
Their pushing the envelope, to see how far they can go.
Then they'll scream that their right to free speech has been infringed upon. Hey, their nuts. What did you expect?
But it would never happen.
Doing what the Commander-in-Chief says is kinda in their military contract. Don't these clowns think there were more than a few soldiers who were pissed off at Clinton? Was there a coup then? Not even close.
But what about that treason thing? They're advocating a takedown of the American government. That is absolutely both sedition and treason. How is it assholes like this are not led away in chains?
If there's a coup in the USA, it won't be executed by active duty members of the US Military. It will be ex-military contractors working for some private firm like Xe (formerly Blackwater).
That's the danger of allowing firms like Blackwater to exist. You think concentrated WEALTH in the hands of a few corporations is dangerous? Imagine adding a private ARMY in their hands! In only 12 years Xe/Blackwater CEO Erik Prince has already proven that he has no regard for the rule of law, foreign or domestic, and has demonstrated nothing but contempt for congressional inquiries into his company's conduct.
So, spurred on by the corrupting influence of corporate money in Congress, we spend gobs of public money to train killers, then they leave to go work for corporate mercenary companies that will one day lead a coup against the White House. If these lawless mercs are allowed to continue to operate, then it's not a matter of if, but when. And people like John L. Perry will be cheering them on.
Yes. Treason and sedition are appropriate terms to be using here.
According to Pap (on Ring of Fire) -- the law they just passed outlawing money to Acorn was drafted in such large and general terms that it would absolutely also apply to many other groups. Two he named were Halliburton and Blackwater.
There it sits - this quiet little bit of legislation.
Dare we think they mean to put it to further use?
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Like a cat who skids across the kitchen floor, crashes into a wall, then gets up and claims that she did it on purpose.
They jumped at the chance to do this without thinking it through. There are enough lawyers in Congress to have seen this coming, but apparently those without law degrees prevailed. Duh!
I think you're absolutely right about this. These private contractors don't answer to anyone. What's to stop them from taking matters into their own hands when corporate wealth and power are at stake?
They already faced down the US military in Iraq and made them give up their weapons!
Yep. It's out right sedition. No 2 ways about it.
I think you can see more members of our military in this one photo around President Obama than were shown in the entire video with President Bush when he made his secret/surprise visit to Iraq (2008).
You can also see more excitement and warmth.
Dumbass is gone. Now they stand a chance of surviving.
excitement and warmth! In ever Bush military photo-op they mostly looked pissed off at being ordered to pose for a photo-op for the jerk.
swished a 3-pointer in front of them from what, 35 feet? That was a great moment.
Beyond the issue of this article. We already have had a Fascist Coup d'Etat, it came in 1947 with the National Security Act.
Dismantle the MIC, the CIA and cut the bloated
DefenseWar Budget by 75%, or more.That is what the civilian government should do.
And they backed the wrong horse, too. Butler came to his sense, turned around and rejected them. Guess that whole "integrity" thing just turned around and bit them in the ass.
And wrote a kick-ass book exposing the IMC. "War is a Racket"
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...was one of those who tried to overthrow the democratically elected government.
Conservatives only like government when they're in control. And when they're not, they threaten violence if they don't get their way.
It never changes.
I have seen more demagoguery than in my lifetime, and it doesnt appear to be in decline.
There seems to be a WHOLE lot of wishful thinking going on here.
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LESSON for all Dems:
Classic Republican strategy is to take their evil deeds and project them on Democrats. e.g. Republicans wrecked the economy but blame the Democrats.
For everything.
It is amazing they do so with a straight face.
What's amazing is that they continue to get away with it.
This is like the sickest of sick, codependent, abusive relationships.
They've been projecting more than ever this year. It is amazing to behold. They've been projecting with such power that we could play shadow puppets on the moon.
I thought y'all meant rick
All hair no brains.
Get Kinky Texas!!!
Freedom of speech is one thing; treason is another. And this is treasonous.
Rational discourse, spirited debate, even name calling, I can live with, but underhandedly calling for a military coup should not be tolerated.
Nationalize Newsmax and all the rest of Rupert's rightwing media. And then indict and prosecute the sumbitch as an enemy combatant.
John L. Perry, and his bona fides consist of the things Newsmax says about him. Just try to confirm any of it. I think it is a pen name for someone too cowardly to spread this traitorous and seditious "call to action" any way other than anonymously. Sounds like Rush Limbaugh to me.
chickenhawk whoever he is.
underwhelming.
As a vet, I don't see this really happening.
What's sick is that this isn't so much aimed at the military as it is the nut jobs just waiting for any excuse to start shooting.
Well Ed Anger had to get a job somewhere after The Weekly World News closed.
I didn't know that. Now where will I get vital information on how to tell if my neighbor is from another planet, or where Satan will next appear in smoke from a fire?
Unfortunately, Congress repealed the Sedition Act in 1920. We could sure use it now. How sad is that?
Radio Free Berkeley exist(ed) in the 90's because of that repeal.
What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
You guys keep coming up with these ideas about how to regulate what is going out over the air.
Why do you do that?
Not even close. Nice try though.
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It seems to me these guys are walking a pretty thin line with their crap.
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republicanism is a mental illness! I don't think it has ever been more evident then now.
The insanity of these fools is just beyond belief!
I agree with one of the previous comments, if these fools decide to start some crap and you need a gun I have plenty! More of them then I can carry and I would be willing to share.
The recent coup in Honduras (originally supported by, among others, Hillary Clinton and Americablog.com) was justified as "constitutional" with exactly the same logic as that used by the "Newsmax" columnist. Of course, the real issue is "change they don't believe in", and the "newsmax" column is largely fantasy, but it's not far-fetched at all to find a legal argument in favor of almost any boneheaded (or plainly criminal) idea.
Different Constitution!!!
This is third-hand, but I happen to work with a guy married to a Honduran who's lived there in the past and is about to start another tenure there in education. I haven't talked to him extensively about it, but last I heard his take was that the exiled president is somewhat of a power-grabber trying to get himself in a more permanent Venezuela-like position, and not particularly well liked. Based on that this was a somewhat severe overreaction but is half-justified inasmuch as I understand their constitution.
Now, I could be entirely wrong about this, but it's not black and white in either direction.
www.democracynow.org
has been doing very good coverage of the situ. in Honduras.
if the fbi has infiltrated some of these groups as they did during civil rights w/kkk and its ilk?
wondering, too, who is bankrolling and doing strategy for this rollout of delegitimatizing the admin and violence advocacy/incitement??
doubtless, it wouldn't occur to this winger group that this coup talk and secession mongering are not only unpatriotic but treasonous -- they reserve that for the other party when they're in 'power' [shoe meet other foot]
reminds of the jfk hate talk and its precipitant outcome. this should be called out. shaming would be one tool--this is ignoble behavior at best. but still wondering who's orchestrating this.
I'd have to say that the FBI is probably too busy infiltrating peace groups to get around to these guys.
Looks pretty popular with them thar soldiers.
Odds are if the military brass tried to overthrow Obama,
The rank-and-file would probably overthrow their military brass
And the brass knows it.
So john perry shouldn't be surprised if there's a knock on his door in the middle of the night.
with a straight face doesn't know jack-shit about the military. There was a greater chance of this happening under W than there is now. Military professionals are honor-bound to the Constitution and their Commander In Cheif... which means they are honor-bound TO THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE.
Besides, Republicans and "conservatives" seem to think they OWN the military. They are completely dead-ass fuckin' WRONG. There are LOADS of good Democrats in uniform who are very content with a center-left Democrat of mixed race in the "Front Office." All is RIGHT with the world.
Didn't I hear they voted in much larger numbers for Obama than for Grandpa?
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called Wesley), great post, especially this bit:
Besides, Republicans and "conservatives" seem to think they OWN the military.
I salute you sir.
Isn't it odd how these people regularly and openly advocate the most anti-American, treasonous acts-- and then claim to be the "real" America?
I'm starting to suspect that "Real America" to them begins with "Confederate States of..."
LOL!
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who's never served in the military then. There's this little thing called an OATH OF SERVICE to defend the Constitution of the United States of America against ALL enemies, both foreign and domestic. Perry is advocating the military become domestic enemies!!! If he wants to see the streets flow with right wing radicals blood he can go ahead and try his little military coup. Without the actual military joining in of course. Since they never would unless they wanted to hang for treason.
I think Perry is a pen name. Google it and let me know if you find anything.
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Perry's twisted logic, I'm sure, is that he's suggesting the military overthrow a "domestic" enemy (the Obama administration).
That's what planet we're on here...
Personally, I'm thrilled. I now feel fully authorized, empowered and justified in throwing the epithet "Nazi" around with impunity. I invoke the Godwin's Law exemption that when your political enemy actually does act exactly like a Nazi, the law does not apply. I can not be accused of political hyperbole any longer, because the mofos are, in the end, truly, truly, sadly, really, really just like Nazis.
Something about that phrase..."the Obama problem" and something about an masculinist/authoritarian/militaristic minority talking about overturning a democratic election through a "peaceful" coup...just reminds me of a similar group from the pages of history.
Could it be...NAZIS?!!!!!!!!
Nazi, Nazi, Nazi. Mr. Perry is a Nazi. End of discussion. Oh, and FUCK YOU VERY VERY MUCH, MR. PERRY.
Soooo overplayed.
Aren't there some other assholes that can do the Usual Suspects two step?
No, there aren't. "Nazis" have always been with us, and will always BE with us, from the caves, to the end of the species. It is merely a convenient, contemporaneous reference to a specific type of homicidal sociopath that periodically takes control of a society. Its use here is something that everybody here understands and relates to. And here, these people are the REAL DEAL.
the CIA in Latin America, in particular, Costa Rica, Guatamala, Panama, El Salvador, San Salvador and Brazil
Speaking of Brazil, how about Pinochet?
We can go further back to Napoleon if we want to stay European.
How about Franco?
Name any European/American supported/installed dictator in Africa starting with Edi Amin, Charles Taylor, Ghaddafi.
The Saudi Royals
Hell the list goes on!
huh?
He hiked her Shining Path.
yes
yes
tell us more
Brazil!
The truth is finally revealed.
eyebrows then.
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You guys really know how to ride a tangeant!
these the same guys that are going to be raptured?
they'll carry the water and get ruptured.
I love it!
can see the Constitution they are sworn to defend being trampled as American institutions and enterprises are nationalized...."""
What the hell were these people doing for the 8 years of the Cheney administration? Did they not notice that we were invading sovereign nations based on LIES??
Did they not notice that the Cheney administration and the Repug congress thoroughly trashed the Constitution with the Patriot Act??
Give me a freakin' break.
we are safe knowing that the u.s. military now carries an additional measure of careful judgment
which would probably negate the possibility of coup-prone-ness.
Coups are for lesser nations to squabble with each other. We have have more TV dinners than they do.
... were does in the US constitution talk anything about nationalizing companies being against it?
but do you mean the constitution de jour or the one the super supreme court uses?
Go ahead, give it a whirl.
sorry, i got caught up in the interpretation from the multitudes of possible agendas:
2000 election.
Terri Schiavo.
Gitmo - its uses and purpose.
Free Speech.
... and the list goes on and on... wait, that's not all...
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you thawt i didn't catch the missing reading lesson.
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... but comprehension.
LOL
Red Baron!
... anyhow, getting back at the issue of where in the US constitution mentions anything regarding nationalization of businesses...
and where does the constitution allow church and state to freakin' take turns?
Those weren't meant to be nationalizations but bail-outs.
GM heads rolled and out came an electric car.
Time for church and state to seperate and go to their respective corners - Republicans i'm looking at you!
... you misspelled herring as baron. Common mistake I guess.
Red Herring Magazine.
But that was so '90's .
... them going with a bang on their own hubris was one of the few good outcomes from the .com bust.
Fuckedcompany was so much better!
You and I knew the war was based on lies - but millions, including in the military, believed the lies.
And, as disturbing as this is, if you ask 25 people on the street, or in a military unit, what the Patriot Act is, less than 5 will know - even officers.
But that does not mean they would attack their own country.
Reality is NOT the issue here.
This is COMPLETELY about losing the election.
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To a black guy.
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The Shock Doctrine, and oh my f-ing god these people worry me. I realize now a coup would give them more than one thing they'd want...
I too am currently reading Naomi Kline's "Shock Doctrine", though I am further along. It is very chilling and I can now see things I missed before.
I highly recommend everyone reading "Shock Doctrine".
If you so much as suggest that Bush might be wrong(about anything) you were called an "America Hater". If you pushed the issue that Bush was wrong(about anything) you were accused of treason. Now we have people on the far right talking about a coup?????
WTF
It would be nice if we had an actual "Liberal" media that would expose these nutjobs, unfortunately we are stuck with a corporate media that might take a wait and see approach.
are Keith, Rachel and so many others on the internet. Our voices need to be louder. This treason is unacceptable.
I see runaway pumps
And the other, whistling relief valves.
- The Lion Sleeps Tonight -
Arrest those treasonists.
And we're only in the first year, folks. Imagine how nuts these guys will be by year four (or eight).
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Their numbers will be ever dwindling - their power is almost gone.
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"WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!! WE LOST THE ELECTION!! WAAAAWAAAWAAAWAAA... MILITARY COUP! TAKE BACK THE COUNTRY!!! WAAAWAAAAAAWAAAAAAAAAA!"
Stupid, paranoid, delusional - yes - but not treasonous. Calling this sort of dumbass commentary treason and sedition is like the mirror of a freeper thread.
Newsmax has always been at the fringe of the wingnut universe - but the more the Cons keep this crap up - the more marginalized they become. So keep the crazy coming.
BUT it's certainly grounds for indefinite detention. IF we're going to have that illegal Bushit still around.
"Newsmax has always been at the fringe of the wingnut universe..."
I'm not sure I can even tell the difference between the far fringes and the "mainstream" right anymore. The best known right-winger in the country right now is Glenn Beck, after all. He has a huge national audience and if there's any space between his delusional rants and those of Newsmax, it's microscopic.
something incredibly stupid, he or she is just a "fringe element." Heck even when their leadership does it, they manage to become "fringe" for just those few seconds. It is awesome, they get to be the silent majority and the "fringe" at the same time.
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... see how many typos are in the article.
Beck has created a climate that empowers all the nut-cases. There will be a lot more of this.
The good part of the Beck thing is that he is staking EVERYTHING on being personally responsible for taking Obama down. Short of assassination - he is doomed to disappointment and we may see his complete collapse right on our television screens.
I don't know if he could handle failure - really - He's staking it all on his ability to do that.
the way the article was phrased. I gotta at least admit that.
government and replacing it with a form of military tribunal. I have a Rove/Cheney feeling coming over me. I find it quite interesting that they speak of BHO's handlers, like he is a puppet. He couldn't possibly be in actual charge. This is really getting ugly.
what a clown.
The Xian right wing freaks have been prosletysing like mad amid the lower ranks. Some few in the upper ranks are of the same ilk. The majority of the upper ranks are centre-right republicans (old school pre-gingrich types) some are centrist Dems, others are rightwing whack jobs.
What is possible is a junta that would likely fail and throw the country into civil war.
The right wing psychos would assemble a lightning strike on washington dc, shoot anything that moved. Arrest and execute the White house and much of the Legislative branch, and imprison the Supreme court, proclaiming a new America of Christian Values, bla bla bla. The country would spin instantly against them, but not before a certain few states accepted the junta (think: deep south, Idaho, Utah, possibly texas). That would set the stage for a civil war that would likely last about a month at most, a week at least, ending with the failure of the junta.
Wall street would completely collapse, and the USA would experience its first taste of devolution. As the energy situation worsens and the monetary situation intensifies, there would be another devolution in the 2020s, but of a more peaceful "I'm done, we're out of here" variety. The corporations that actually own the government would be hard pressed to keep it together, and would likely evapourate as they are fictional entities to begin with an would be unable to deal with the development of localised currencies and mass poverty.
Perry thinks such an effort would succeed. He is wrong. It would fail. There is no direct profit in such an event. The corporate system demands stability, not unrest, which is why it backed the Democrats because the Bush junta was driving instability that exceeded the value of the deregulation.
... oftentimes I fear that it will take something that ugly to permanently discredit the far right in this country once and for all.
... of the backstory of The Handmaid's Tale.
Republic of Gilead anyone?
...is to quell the civil war that will surely break out if the right wing is successful in their efforts to get one of their fellow lunatics to assassinate Obama. By that time, we will have killed most--if not all--of the fools on the right. Do you hear what I'm saying, you cowards at NewsMax?
And if the nation utterly collapsed, many nations of the world would rightfully worry about the vast U.S. arsenal of nuclear weapons and decide to launch a preemptive thermonuclear strike.
...Let's see - these so called "patriots" are pissing their pants that the horrible black man in the White House is going to take away their "freedoms" and so their solution is a military style coup - complete(presumably)with martial law and everything. Wingnut logic - I just don't get it.
Veteran, gun owner, patriotic American, living in the real world with the majority of Americans who are also LIBERAL. What this person is talking about is treason and sedition and he should be prosecuted.
Look at all those brown people in uniform. Would they hurt the president? I really doubt it. Call me racist, but I trust Hispanic immigrants to do a good, honorable job way more than white people.
So I can show this to all the people, like family members, who believe the left-wingers are just as vile with politics as the right-wingers. Yeah, there were some crazies who advocated killing or over-throwing Bush, but NONE were mainstream voices. Rush, Beck, and hell, at this point even some members of Congress are coming close to it (like Bachmann and her fear of the Census) are all perfect targets for a "Why do hate America?" or "America, love it or leave it!" attack, but are Democrats doing that? They're actually wanting to *gasp* work with these kinds of people... those douchebag Democrats! I don't even know what can be done anymore if Republicans seem hell bent on dividing and destroying the actual foundation of America (honest debate), and Democrats are just going to let it slide so as not to divide America... I came around years ago out of my anarchist faze (like before I graduated high school), but it's kind of sad they're actually looking sane in the grand scheme of American politics lately - and yes I still think they're crazy.
to do his "coup":
http://www.americanpolicegroup.com/american_p...
It seems this "private" police organization has taken over the town of Hardin, Montana.
I tried to put the link here but it wouldn't take.
This is one scary group. The U.S. is being infiltrated by all these private police forces that are being hired with our tax dollars to police us?
What's wrong with THIS picture??
...and it was a total flop. In fact it's claimed by some that the half-baked coup plot against FDR left him in a position to fully implement the New Deal.
I hesitate though to say 'bring it on'...
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