BREAKING: Scott Roeder Found Guilty of First Degree Murder
In a trial that never became the referendum on abortion that some abortion foes wanted, Scott Roeder, a 51-year-old airport shuttle driver, was convicted today of murdering George Tiller, one the nation's few physicians who performed late-term abortions.
The jury of seven men and five women deliberated for only 37 minutes. Roeder faces life in prison after being convicted of first-degree murder.
Roeder also was convicted on two counts of aggravated assault for threatening to shoot church ushers Keith Martin and Gary Hoepner as he fled Reformation Lutheran Church after murdering Tiller.
Roeder tried to claim that the murder was justifiable homicide, as he was protecting the "unborn." That, of course, ignores the very real medical reasons why a woman may be forced to terminate a late term pregnancy.
In his testimony, Roeder acknowledged that he did not believe an abortion was warranted even when the life of the woman was at risk. That's the same kind of fanaticism that led him to walk into a church and shoot a man in the head.
Good.
It makes a change from the George Bu**sh** administration. When John Ashcroft was running the injustice department, he gave sweetheart deals to James Kopp and Eric Rudolph, two christian terrorists who committed murder.
(NB: If people reading this don't like the phrase christian terrorists, does that mean you also object to the phrase muslim terrorists? As George Carlin said, "Let's not have a double standard. One standard will do just fine.")
Despite committing the exact same crime as John Lee Malvo for which Malvo was executed, James Kopp got a reduced sentence. And despite committing one of the most high-profile terrorist bombings on US soil, the 1996 olympic park bombing in Atlanta (amongst others), Rudolph also got a reduced sentence.
Why did both get lesser sentences than they deserved? Both committed their terrorist murders under the false pretense of being "pro-life", for being "anti-abortion". Rudolph also bombed gay nightclubs, which I'm sure pleased the loonytune wing of the republican party.
Roeder was rightfully convicted and now will hopefully be given the right sentence. Kansas has not executed anyone in decades and the "death penalty" remains on the books, so it's unlikely that he will be killed by the state.
As disgusting as people like Roeder are, I'm still against the "death penalty" in all cases. I'm not a bloodthirsty bastard like the reichwingers.
... but wasn't Malvo convicted and executed at the state level, namely Virginia, while Kopp's deal was also at the state level, namely, Erie County, NY?
This Roeder case is also at the state level. In the case of Kopp, the Feds did charge under the Clinic Entrances Act, according to wikipedia, and give him a life sentence (parole eligibility unknown). Right now, I'm unaware of any Federal charges in the Roeder case, probably because the offense occurred at a church rather than a clinic.
WOW! Something in this country worked the way it should.
...no less!
The first three comments were exactly what I was going to say.
I told you all months ago that he'd be convicted, that not all Kansas were fundie eliminationist wackos. I am relieved to be right on this one. Now can we please get back to smearing South Carolina or something?
and just ruled on murder is murder.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
abortion is murder excuse.
Excuses fail doctor's killer
Jan. 28: Rachel Maddow reports on the failure of Scott Roeder's defense team to excuse his killing Dr. George Tiller as justifiable.
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It's kinda hard to argue something so stupid and still win.
isn't it?!?
http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/crime...
i woulda argued for a reduced sentence, since the cop was doing america a favor
because that's the way you do it in the Wild West.
Please...
You did the right thing. No one should have the right or excuse to kill anyone based on their fanatical religious beliefs. Not everyone believes that life begins at conception. Some believe life begins at birth.
Doesn't he know Bush is "The Deciderer"? Since when is an insane airport shuttle driver allowed to make decisions of life and death? Let the buggering begin and don't stop for 25 years.
If it really was justifiable homocide, Roeder would have to show he had to shoot Dr Tiller in the head at that moment in the church to protect himself or another's life. Even given the assumption that late term abortions are murder (which they are not legally), I really don't think the doctor was in the middle of performing a late term abortion in the church at the time Roeder shot him.
Case closed.
However, given how Americans seem to like to shoot themselves in the foot while spouting idiotic right wing talking points, I do have to sign in relief that the jury recognized this.
not me. I'm smiling! A reichwiong murderer got justice in the verdict. I hope he gets equal justice in the sentencing.
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To make it more simple, paraphrasing what I heard on television, Roeder seems to think he can kill the Doctor for doing something the law permits him to do. That opens up a slippery slope, and I don't see the established justice infrastructure allowing that.
Good.
what are the federal charges he's up on as well?
"Roeder is also the subject of a Justice Department investigation, and he could face federal charges in connection with the murder."
anyone know?
Freedom of Access to Clinics Entrances Act (FACE)
http://www.prochoice.org/about_abortion/facts...
one would say killing the Doctor to stop people from getting an abortion is using force to deny others access to an abortion.
also
Rackateering? possibly if he can be connected to a group that is threatening abortion clinics - or others accross state lines.
Alternatively - other domestic terrorism charges... You may get Homeland Security after him. Using terror/force to promote a fanatical polical agenda.
thank you for the information.
is still in effect. No federal action should be expected.
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The radio yappers will be all o'foam.
"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "
-Jack Handy
That's because they have no brain.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0_1F0_20mE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQ_pKqiB5Rg&fe...
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Archbishop Jose Cardoso Sobrinho of Recife said "God's law” makes abortion a sin. “They took an innocent life,” he told Time Magazine. “Abortion is much more serious than killing an adult.”
Study the symptoms not the virus...
What about miscarriages,
Shouldn't God have to execute Himself?
And shouldn't that be mscarriages now?
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But isn't suicide - even if it's GOD doing it - against God's law? And if he did kill himself, who would punish him for violating his own law?
And where would his soul go? He's already IN heaven.
I was going to say something clever here about Nietzsche then decided simply dropping his name is enough.
"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "
-Jack Handy
I think it was Jean-Paul Sartre who said some stuff once.
That was my way of setting up a joke
Or a koan
If something is all powerful and eternal
Can it be powerful enough to off himself?
Then he wouldn't be eternal.
If he could't take away his eternality
Then he can't be all powerful.
It also questions whether eternality is a question of the quality of existence or it's duration
Or perhaps an ouroboros.
It also questions Divine Justice, if the judge exempts himself from his own laws.
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But I prefer to talk in glyphs which may or may not be funny enough to qualify as jokes.
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What happens when an immovable object is hit by an irresistable force?
"If the US government enforced its banking laws like it did its park regulations, we wouldn't be
in this damn park in the first place." OCCUPY.!!
They go on recess.
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since an immovable object doest not exist, as defined by the fundamental laws of physics
God is an angst ridden spotty teenager holed up in his Mum's basement.
(speaking of immovable objects you see..)
"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "
-Jack Handy
Unless you somehow baptized these fetuses, they were not innocent life. They are forever damned by the transgressions of Adam and Eve.
Or were you just kidding about all that "original sin" stuff?
Corruption favors the wealthy.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons...
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... wild pigs?
Corruption favors the wealthy.
http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/authors/...
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... boaring.
Corruption favors the wealthy.
to the 1994 triumph over Duke. The second is the current state of the Arkansas basketball program.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
the beliefs of the child rapists?
if archie is a NAMBLA member and if he shuffles around the boy-luvin' priest in his flock.
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Now the only thing left to do is make sure Mr. Roeder is put in GP so the rest of the imates can have some "fun" with him.
You mean Kansas jurors didn't just want to "move forward" and let bygones be bygones? Good for them.
I call for crucifixion!!!
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Say we lock him in a room with no food and water. If God comes to get him then we make abortion illigal and if not we never hear another word about it!!!!!
It would have been quicker if they didn't have to elect a foreperson... and have lunch.
Corruption favors the wealthy.
Veal?
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No. I was only kidding.
And what's with the accent?
Corruption favors the wealthy.
veal ask der questions
"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "
-Jack Handy
It will be interesting to see Bill O'Reilly's reaction.
I think he only has one.
ABC news is doing a story right now about a four year old girl slowly dying from a central nerve disease. The family just discovered one of their other young daughters has the same disorder.
What I couldn't believe is the reporter, with a sympathetic tone of voice asked, "Does this make you doubt God?"
Setting up a small sermonette by the grieving mother about the presence of God.
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it would have been great if the woman would have responded to that twit:
"Of course not.
If anything this only solidifies my belief in God.
And God hates my children."
I wasn't really listening, but I think it had to do with not understanding God's will, but believing his presence was near.
It's bad enough when religion creeps into these things. Like shattered Haitians going to church to worship the guy who tried to waste them
But then for the reporter to broach the subject for any other reason than Oedipus...
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who is she to judge if it's god's will that her children are tortured to death by god!
at least god didn't pull an abraham / isaac on her!
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/d...
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she was clearly doing god's work.
with a rundown of other "Mothers who killed." Looks like Plano is working to preempt its past problem with teen suicide.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
... it's bad journalism.
Either you're asking a religious question that has no place in the story OR you got suckered by someone leading you on by saying, "I just don't understand how this could happen."
One could also argue the reverse, that it was trying to convince her or the audience to be an athiest, and not due to reason.
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a lawsuit by Tiller's family for wrongful death.
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there it is.
"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "
-Jack Handy
will no doubt be righteous indignation, defending Roeder to the last. This tells me all I need to know about loofah-boy.
As for Roeder, it's a shame they couldn't go for the death penalty. I may be a bleeding heart liberal on most issues, but not the DP. If they're lawfully convicted, guilty as hell (like Roeder), take 'em out back of the courthouse and end it, right then and right there. The DP in this country is no deterrent to crime as it so randomly sought and/or carried out. We should have a BBQ at San Quentin here in CA, and do one a day and two on Sundays until they're gone. I hate the fact that my taxpayer dollars are paying to keep the likes of Charlie Manson alive when people who have committed no crime are dying from starvation on the streets of LA & SF. Sorry, that's my opinion.
I'm surprised it took them that long (37 minutes)....but seriously, this is very good news. That POS should be thanking his lucky stars he got life in prison, which is something Dr. Tiller no longer has.
now give him a lifetime without parole to think about it. let him be an example for as long as he breathes. I hope no one in prison gets any ideas. I want him to be interviewed on 60 minutes when he turns 88. amazing how xtians are so easily justified in murdering others. I wonder how wretched reichers are going to take this. I'm sure they will rail against 'activist juries'!
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I want him to be interviewed on 60 minutes when he turns 88.
By Morley Safers head.
"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "
-Jack Handy
THAT'S JUST WRONG!
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... activist judges, specifically because the judge instructed the jury to consider only a 1st-degree murder charge. A motion for voluntary manslaughter was refused.
god has to agree with the judge because the 5th commandment has no escape clause.
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Scott Roeder was a airport shuttle driver? Like Najibullah Zazi? Time to start profiling shuttle drivers.
some good news. Thanks for making my day!
seems gone for this country, citizens turn around and uphold a law they may not personally believe in - especially since the murderer was given the opportunity to make his "saving the babies" defense.
This one's for you Dr. Tiller - god bless America when it does the right thing.
... are trying to figure out how to kick it up to the Supreme 'court',
and have his Handgun declared a Corporation.
I'm Boycotting NewsCorp! Heres what not to buy: http://www.cjr.org/resources/index.php?c=news...
How "God" has forsaken this man supposedly acting in his name.
I hope he rots.
The whole religious complexion of the modern world is due to the absence from Jerusalem of a Lunatic Asylum. -Havelock Ellis
God?
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the voices in his head that justify murder of the premeditated kind.
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maybe he should check into the shrink ward while in jail.
Is another name for a straight-jacket shrink wrap?
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which somehow seems perfectly within the realm of possibility.
"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "
-Jack Handy
... for his "pro-life" views, they're suppressing his Freedom of Speech.
Then again, anything silly can get through the Supreme Court nowadays, that politicized bunch of idiots.
unfortunately, that is all it takes.
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Slim majorities are fine when it's a Republican agenda, but not a Democratic one.
I listened to his testimony in his defense yesterday and it sent cold chills down my spine. He talked about what he did the way you or I would talk about what we did this morning. He was totally unemotional and matter of fact about it all. He was chillingly sincere in his beliefs and the act he had committed. He is a demon and the stuff of which nightmares are made.
Thank goodness the jury was sane and quickly came to their decision.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
or much worse:
another gun-packing, X-stain, Gord-lovin loon who let his twisted beliefs get carried to the extreme.
(But I didn't hear his diatribe ...so hopefully you are correct)
I'm Boycotting NewsCorp! Heres what not to buy: http://www.cjr.org/resources/index.php?c=news...
He spoke of his plans to kill the doctor without any emotion or remorse. It was his goal and he went for it. He said at one time he thought about cutting off the doctor's hands with a sword but then he realized he could continue to teach, so he ruled that plan out.
I feel the man is insane, but he didn't speak like an insane man, he spoke like a man of conviction. It appeared in his heart he felt justified with his actions no matter what the consequences.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
But the court still follows the M'Naghten rule, although it originated in England.
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That's the worst of it-that these guys truly believe in what they are doing and that the ends justify the means.
It's a belief that spans the entire conservative movement these days and has for some time.
Even ruling out murder for a moment,just look at what the GOP has stooped to in the last year to disavow the Obama Presidency.
There is simply no bottom.
"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "
-Jack Handy
the 5th commandment? I never saw an exemption when Charleton Heston brought down the tablets.
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... forgiveness and redemption, dontcha know?
(Just ask Brit Hume.)
R.I.P. Dr. Tiller
all it takes is all of us
a court will get it right. Thankfully roeder will be locked away where he will face prison justice. I just hope that he suffers greatly for his murderous assault.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=D...
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=E...
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=J...
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Kansas often gets a bad rap for the actions of the right-wing, lunatic fanatics. But there are an awful lot of good people there, and thank God this jury was composed of them.
The common conception is that Kansas is a right wing nut factory. . . and the landscape is littered with rusted pickups, shacks with moonshine stills smoking on the front porch, and guys dressed up in camouflage with bushes strapped to their heads practicing mowing down liberals with modified automatic hunting rifles.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0h3a7MmMss
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
No, that's Alabama.
but at least offer a link to your proof.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
Man, Kansas was a leader in the temperance movement! Moonshining is rather a more . . . Appalachian avocation. We were smashing bars back when they were running hooch.
They'll execute roeder by dropping a farm house with a little girl in it on him.
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LOL!
Actually the Land of Oz has a million applications these sorry daze.
"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "
-Jack Handy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwH2Si8w-E0&fe...
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
Tyrone is just waiting..... See ya bub... STUPIDITY is not a defense you moron so AMF !!!
decision.
Every once in a while I am reminded that we are a nation of laws.
Some overzealous interpretation and enforcement is disguising this, but the reality of how things are supposed to work shines through every now and then.
"...this monkey mythology of Darwin is the cause of permissiveness, promiscuity, prophylactics, perversions, pregnancies, abortions, pornotherapy, pollution, poisoning and proliferation of crimes of all types." [Judge Braswell Dean, in Time Magazine, March 1981]
Study the symptoms not the virus...
Prophecy/prophylactics?
If a prophet is a woman who recently gave birth, wouldn't that make her prophylactating?
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Milking it :)
Study the symptoms not the virus...
Jail is too good for this animal. Since you believe in Ultimate Justice from a 'Creator'. I hope you burn in hell.
that I've been holding my breath this whole time. I was truly concerned that they'd use the voluntary manslaughter charge, in effect declaring open season on anyone who disagreed with another person's beliefs. Especially after what we've seen the Supreme Court do lately, it's almost surprising to see what I'd consider justice done.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0b8YkvNDD4
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Excuses fail doctor's killer
Jan. 28: Rachel Maddow reports on the failure of Scott Roeder's defense team to excuse his killing Dr. George Tiller as justifiable.
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His demeanor yesterday was as if this was a business he was in and the death of the doctor his assignment. It is deeply rooted in his brain that no matter what anyone says or does, he did the right thing. That was the chilling part.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
I thought that his calmly stopping for pizza after his pre-meditated, cold blooded murder was the most chilling part.
I didn't hear the part about the pizza. They kept cutting away for commercial so I gave up waiting for the next segment.
That's what I mean, he felt nothing for the life he had just taken. That life he felt was one to be snuffed out. He didn't justify what he had done, he just considered it a problem corrected.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
trial. Did the gloves fit?
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
Vegetarian?
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to re-think that bullshit.
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I didn't get the impression that anyone or anything will ever make this man regret what he has done.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
and that is why I want him locked up forever. no martyrdom and no goddamned mercy.
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He must never get out of prison because if he does I do not doubt for one minute that he will pick another target.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE :-/
Study the symptoms not the virus...
The guy doesn't deserve acknowledgment or PR. So I'm not giving this thread another click.
...and gnashing of teeth about "a forum for fanaticism" and "emboldening murderers" that went on when the judge announced early on that he would consider allowing a claim of justifiable homicide - which he ruled out when the time came - maybe another takeaway should be for us to try to refrain from panicking and predicting complete collapse at the first sign of trouble.
Or are we really that shell-shocked?
and elated. this hate-crime under the guise of faux xtianity is going to be punished and the perpetrator was allowed to claim his kill-a-heathen-for-christ exemption and it was summarily denied.
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Was this his Final Solution to abortion?
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Scott Roeder is going to learn that in jail the other inmates think he has a "purdy mouth."
This asshat is getting what he deserves. Hope he dies in jail as he does not deserve to breathe free air ever again.
He may find God in prison... many inmates seem to?
Study the symptoms not the virus...
I think his "finding god" was what caused him to murder the doctor. I don't know if you can lose one god and find another.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
You'd think he could figure a way to get out. I mean, Tim Robbins did just fine in The Shawshank Redemption, and he wasn't even omniscient let alone omnipotent.
Corruption favors the wealthy.
As far as that "omnipotent" thing? Granted I think the doors are steel and not iron? ;)
Study the symptoms not the virus...
God's in prison? What's he in for?
(difficulty: I'm atheist.)
I'm surprised that Phelps family weren't there. Aren't they from Kansas?
They were probably tied up at a military funeral.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
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"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
If Roeder claimed that he had to shoot Tiller because he felt unborn children were in immediate danger from Dr. Tiller, then the opposite argument is also legitimate: A person could walk up to Roeder and shoot him in the head because that person felt that abortion doctors were in immediate danger from Roeder.
(not advocating violence, just using his idiotic logic to make a point)
His argument is just plain absurd. This is why right wingers, tea baggers and all their lot are so stupid and dangerous. They twist the law to fit their narrow interpretation.
That sort of logic would open-up anti-choicers to assassination.
That's why people like john roberts, samuel alito, antonin scalia and clarence thomas have to be pushed out.
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He's been lonely without you.
Republicans are liars and simply cannot be trusted.
prison rape humor often emanates from repressed self image?
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
But it seems to be appropriate in this case.
It was also appropriate in the case of conservative serial killer BTK, but that didn't happen either. And if not him in Kansas, then who?
BTK is one I always remember when some conservative is going on about immoral liberals.
And these insane Christanic cultists think they're some how different from their Islamic colleagues.
Demand he be put in a private institution... otherwise argue separation of church and state?
Study the symptoms not the virus...
...of a common theme among right-wingers: the ends justify the means. Its okay to murder doctors to "save the unborn". Its okay to illegally wiretap if it could possibly reveal some malfeasance. Its okay to torture if doing so might possibly yield some intelligence. This is something ingrained in their ideology- a fundamental part of the right wing ethos (they might use the word "liberty" to describe it). These are dangerous people.
he's an "activist." Nothing in the headline about him being an anti-abortion nutjob. He's an activist.
Link To The Headline
passivist.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
Lock his ass up and throw away the key. And throw a bar of soap in his cell, for good measure.
LuLu
Rightwing Nutjob would have been accurate. Or is he a mainstream right-winger?
Why hasnt he been sent to Gitmo to be tortured into telling us the names of the other members of the American Taliban terrorist organization?
Lew
Fighting the Christian American Taliban daily.
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