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Why oh why oh why is John McCain on yet another Sunday show? What gives him any credibility on opining on the Middle East, especially when he appears determined not to learn any lessons from our existing fubars in the region?

In calling for the no-fly zone, McCain told "This Week" anchor Christiane Amanpour, "We can't risk allowing Gadhafi to massacre people from the air, both by helicopter and fixed-wing [aircraft]."

Amanpour pointed out that Secretary of Defense Robert Gates had recently noted that imposing a no-fly zone over a country as large as Libya would be a significant endeavor.

"If it's ordered, we can do it. But the reality is there's a lot of, frankly, loose talk about some of these military options," the secretary said on Capitol Hill on Wednesday. "And let's just call a spade a spade: a no-fly zone begins with an attack on Libya to destroy the air defenses. That's the way you do a no-fly zone."

McCain noted that, "these air assets that Gadhafi has are not overwhelming."

If the U.S. gets involved, Amanpour asked, is that taking sides?

"Clearly," McCain said, "we are on the side of the rebels. We have called for Gadhafi's removal – that's the President of the United State's policy. I want to emphasize: ground intervention would not be appropriate – certainly not at this time.

"A ground intervention by the part of the United States could be very counterproductive," he said. "But we can assist in a lot of ways: humanitarian, intelligence, providing them with some training and other things we can do as they form up a provisional government in Benghazi."

So how can the U.S. push Gadhafi to leave?

"I hope that Gadhafi understands the inevitability of --" McCain began to say.

"But he hasn't shown much indication to us," Amanpour interjected. She sat down with the Libyan leader last Monday.

"Oh, I agree with you," McCain said. "He's insane. But perhaps the people around him would begin to depart the sinking ship."

"Again," he added, "by a no-fly zone, by declaring our support for a provisional government, perhaps, which is being formed up now – there is a lot of steps we can take."

How exactly does Grampy McCrankypants think you create a no-fly zone? Just declare it and be done with it? It has to be enforced. And that takes troops. And support crews. Do we actually need yet another front? Why exactly hasn't McCain learned that American intervention actually works against our vital interests? New Obama Chief of Staff Richard Daley has figured it out and says that Gadhafi isn't the only insane one when bringing up no-fly zones.

Well, you know, lots of people throw around phrases of "no-fly zone," and they talk about it as though it's just a game on a video game or something, and some people who throw, throw that line out have no idea what they're talking about. Bob Gates understands the difficulty of going to war. This is a man who spent his -- almost his entire life working for the government. He, he knows the difficulty of war and the challenges, as does Admiral Mullen. So when, when people comment on military action, most of them have no idea what they're talking about.

Would that John McCain acted so cautiously before committing other people's children.

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Phoenix Justice's picture

The only reason anyone is even talking about "no fly zones" and such for Libya is that unlike Egypt or Tunisia or Yemen, Libya has oil. That liquid gold is all we care about. If Libya didn't have oil, we would be treating it like Bosnia & Croatia during the Yugoslavian civil war, like Rwanda and a host of other civil wars around the world.


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walt kovacs's picture

huge natural gas reserves

Sven Ortmann's picture

"It has to be enforced. And that takes troops. And support crews."

To be fair, this would be done by the navy, and the navy is quite useless in regard to Afghanistan.
It's still a bad idea, for way too many reasons.

Btw, did he ever demand a no-fly zone over Sudan, where the Sudanese government regularly bombed black African villages before mounted militias raided them?

dadams's picture

you can't teach mclame anything since he
has an asshole on each side of his head.

Mike The Riverine's picture

Oh, sure, let's just find yet another bunghole of the earth to send Americans into to get killed so the petrocriminals and munition merchants can get richer.

Grandpa McGrumpy is great at sending other people's children off to war for his political advantage. He cares nothing about the Libyans, Egyptians or any other people as long he can gain from it. Miserable old fart.


Democratic Party progressive, Vietnam veteran and proud Union member for 41 years

ron's picture

that he learned from the 1st intervention he was involved in. Unless he really is brainwashed.

MJPollard's picture

No, just senile. He reminds me of how my grandma became after a while: mouthing off nonsense without a care in the world, thinking that what's being said makes absolute sense. It was quite sad to see her deteriorate from senile dementia, but unlike Grumpy McStupid, she wasn't in any position of power or influence.


"Whatever your particular problem is, I promise you, the Republicans are not the least bit interested in solving it. They are interested in two things, and two things only: making you afraid of it, and telling you who's to blame for it."

stargazzn's picture

Until Shrub, and excepting the Great Emancipator. Every war the U.S. ever entered while there was a Democrat in the White House.

"There are no morals in politics; there is only expedience. A scoundrel may be of use to us just because he is a scoundrel. "
Vladimir Lenin

Chicago-gal's picture

It's his brother Bill who's the chief of staff.

Nicole Belle's picture

I knew that, but sometimes my fingers get ahead of my brain.

Daddio478's picture

Daley has a role in policy, not. Keep reading Kass.


"No man is so foolish but he may sometimes give another good counsel, and no man so wise that he may not easily err if he takes no other counsel than his own. He that is taught only by himself has a fool for a master." - Hunter S. Thompson

walt kovacs's picture

the un, the eu and george w appeased the bastard ghaddafi for years

even though w effed up big time....the un couldve taken him down long ago

i feel bad about what is happening to the libyan people...but it is the un that has blood on its hands....not the united states

Patriot Actor's picture

of McCain speaking of flight takes to the air....
because he is his own personal no fly zone....

Ape-Man's picture

Ya, if only McMansion had been a no-fly zone.


"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-

stargazzn's picture

A man who proves you can have your cake, and eat it at the same time:)

"The way to crush the bourgeoisie is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation. "
Vladimir Lenin

Milquetoast's picture

he is his own personal no fly zone

.

did you know that John McCain't is actually a "reverse ace"? !!!

copy/paste: John Sidney McCain III is known among many of his Vietnam flight buddies as "Ace" McCain. This title has not been bestowed upon McCain because he destroyed five enemy aircraft....


audit-prosecute-incarcerate

insipid's picture

You should credit Stephanie Miller with the Grampy McSame. There's not that much liberal talk radio out there, it needs all the support it can get.

Tax the Rich's picture

After they fire all the cops, teachers, fireman, raod crews, health care workers, etc....,etc....., and then give another huge tax cut to billionaires, we will have no problem financing another war.

This is the world they live in.


If I were a psychopath, I would join the republican party, and get in on the gravy train taking the Teabircher morons to the cleaners.

TremoluxMan's picture

Tell ya what, Johnny Mac. Why don't you fire up the old Spad and lead a contingent of the Lafayette Escadrille over Tripoli? We're right behind you.


...I CRAP bigger than you.

Trantorian's picture

A few factoids about Libya:

http://blackagendareport.com/content/libya-ge...

The MSM is lying to us (Shock!)

http://www.rnw.nl/africa/article/hrw-no-merce...

What needs to happen is negotiations, which have been proposed by some. Instead what we have to look forward to is more violent imperialist meddling in the affairs of another sovereign nation. Ask the teabaggers what they think of national sovereignty and you will get some of the most fascistnating answers.


"Someday somebody related to some of these sufferers, these victims, these collaterally damaged souls, may try to kill you. And I have to tell you, I think you’ll have it coming." - Christopher Cooper

Edwin's picture

We're all Georgians Iraqis Afghanis Libyans now.


far left loon >.<

Kevin W.'s picture
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The Founding Fathers thought forced redistribution was immoral.

Ape-Man's picture

We might also have defend the 400,000 dead Iraqis and Afghans too - oh wait....

I know what you mean though.


"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-

Kevin W.'s picture

It seems simply immoral to allow people yearning for freedom to not get it. Egypt saw regime change because they were far less autocratic than Libya. Unless the Libyan rebels happen to have might of arms, they are just out of luck, and will be killed for trying to escape tyranny. Americans are often willing to risk their lives on behalf of citizens of other countries, e.g., WWI, WWII, Grenada, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq v1.0, etc. I just don't get the argument against using our considerable armed forces in the standing, volunteer army we maintain to undertake a minimally risky goal, like preventing Khaddafy from sending jets against the rebels. America used to have some weight to deter tyrants. Now we pressure 3 decade allies to create a power vacuum and give outright, lunatic tyrants a pass.


The Founding Fathers thought forced redistribution was immoral.

taller ghost walt's picture

This man couldn't keep a plane in the air if his life depended on it.

LockeNessMonster's picture

Would McCain and others immediately jump to the "rebels" side? Of course not, because of the lovie-dovie ties to the Saudi royal family and the possible repercussions were the rebels to lose. Democracy-shemocracy. If anything, these same people would be calling to put down the rebellion.
Heard a story this morning where it appears the US will maintain "security forces" indefinitely past 2014 in Afghanistan in a "joint effort" with the Afghans.
In return for...


I've seen some stuff, man. And some thangs...

ricky's picture

"Bob Gates understands the difficulty of going to war. This is a man who spent his -- almost his entire life working for the government."

Would that description also apply to McCain? Dick Armey? Phil Gramm?


“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder

stargazzn's picture

Examples of both sides of the same vise! I love them both, but I wouldn't let my sister, or brother
date either of them;)

America is still to strong! The sooner we can spend a few more Trillions of dollars the sooner we can
have a "Real" progressive government.

"The press should be not only a collective propagandist and a collective agitator, but also a collective organizer of the masses. "
Vladimir Lenin

Kevin W.'s picture

I'm no expert in the politics of victimization, but isn't referring to McCain as "Grampy" an ageist slur?


The Founding Fathers thought forced redistribution was immoral.

Peter G's picture

on the efficacy of "no fly zones" ask the Kurds of Iraq. On the whole I think they rather liked having someone stop bombs from falling on their towns and villages.


Hasa Diga Eebowai

stargazzn's picture

Better to go in there to drain American resources so we can remake America as a truely progressive government!

"The people always get the government they deserve!"
unknown

...made in China, not the US. They were designed in the US, but they are assembled in China, undoubtedly from parts that are made largely, if not exclusively, in China.

So, how can McCain claim they're made in America? Oh, he's lying. Gotcha. No surprise there.

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