Fox talker Peters has a Gitmo solution: Just kill them all
By David Neiwert Wednesday May 27, 2009 11:00am
You have to wonder just what level of moral and ethical depravity you have to reach to be a Fox News talker these days.
Col. Ralph Peters -- who doesn't exactly have a track record for probity to begin with -- went on Neil Cavuto and offered a solution to dealing with terrorists at Guantanamo Bay -- just kill them all:
Peters: Neil, I've gotta tell you where I'm coming from. I come from Schuylkill County, Pennsylvania, the anthracite coal fields. We don't screw around with terrorists.
[Oh, yeah -- that Schuylkill County: Where redneck juries let minority-bashing thugs off scot-free. In other, they don't screw around with white terrorists -- they just let 'em go. OK, good to know.]
Peters: First of all, I am not concerned about the human and legal rights of terrorists. Because as far as I am concerned, when a human being chooses to commit an act of terror against innocent human beings, he puts himself outside of humanity. And this obsession with the legal -- supposed legal and human rights of terrorists -- a small number -- condemns billions of human beings, billions, to live in fear.
And again, Neil, once you commit an act of terror, in my book, you are outside, you are anathema, and you should be killed.
Now, I'm not talking about killing every living thing in the barnyard. But for example, when we attack an Al Qaeda compound, and the people defending the Al Qaeda compound can -- and they're shooting at us, that's probably a pretty good indicator that they are terrorists. So I see no reason to bring them to the United States, no reason to bring them to Guantanamo. There are a small number of senior terrorists who have intelligence value. Them we should take prisoner, but we should do the interrogations in foreign countries -- and why set ourselves up for legal problems?Now Neil, I know it's not politically correct. I don't care. I care about the security and well-being of my fellow Americans. I care about the human rights of innocent people around the world. And as far as I'm concerned, terrorists should die.
And a good thing that's happening now -- as soon as you had this movement to close Guantanamo, et cetera et cetera, the word I'm getting from the field is our special operators and our soldiers and Marines on the front lines are taking fewer prisoners.
Cavuto: All right, so in other words, they're killing them.
Peters: Yep.
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Peters: We're dealing with people who aren't human anymore. They're monsters. And just like in the movies, monsters deserve to die. And we agonize over this.
Cavuto: I see your point about what we agonize over. But what if all the 200 or so Gitmo detainees are not monsters -- some were just caught up in a roundup where they weren't doing anything wrong. Now, I don't have the details or the who's who on who might fill that equation here, but you know what I mean, that, that -- then you would be wiping them all out.
Peters: Well, there will be miscarriages of justice in a brutal war like this. But I don't think too many. We're pretty good at figuring out who's right and who's wrong.
Yeah, right. Sure we are:
An eight-month McClatchy investigation in 11 countries on three continents has found that Akhtiar was one of dozens of men — and, according to several officials, perhaps hundreds — whom the U.S. has wrongfully imprisoned in Afghanistan, Cuba and elsewhere on the basis of flimsy or fabricated evidence, old personal scores or bounty payments.
McClatchy interviewed 66 released detainees, more than a dozen local officials — primarily in Afghanistan — and U.S. officials with intimate knowledge of the detention program. The investigation also reviewed thousands of pages of U.S. military tribunal documents and other records.
This unprecedented compilation shows that most of the 66 were low-level Taliban grunts, innocent Afghan villagers or ordinary criminals. At least seven had been working for the U.S.-backed Afghan government and had no ties to militants, according to Afghan local officials. In effect, many of the detainees posed no danger to the United States or its allies.
These right-wing yakkers got all uptight about the potential release of those detainee-abuse photos, because they would anger Arabs, recruit more terrorists, and . Maybe they should worry more about the release of their own words.
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Would they still just "hate us for our freedoms" then?
"Now Neil, I know it's not politically correct. I don't care. I care about the security and well-being of my fellow Americans. I care about the human rights of innocent people around the world. And as far as I'm concerned, terrorists should die."
peters should just have his ass hauled off to one of these countries
he hates so much and let him kill all he wants (NOT). but it would be
a great idea to haul all these insipid asshole gopers to one of these
countries they think endangers us and leave they NAKED with a sign
on their necks stating,"I WANT YOU ALL KILLED." we'll see
just how long it takes them to start squeeling their sissy lungs out.
"And again, Neil, once you commit an act of terror, in my book, you are outside, you are anathema, and you should be killed."
Does that include certain political parties/representatives that use fear to terrorize people into voting for them?
Good one! The master of terror himself, cheney should think about that one.
supposed to convert them to christianity
the bush administration did not respect the geneva convention either.
I'm surprised at this stage we still have to deal with such naive thoughts as "kill em all"
(cue dramatic chipmunk wearing a hood)
http://www.phmc.state.pa.us/ppet/lattimer/pag...
Anthracite country has a history of not caring, period.
Screw this douchebag
Google Lattimer Mine Massacre for even more gory details
Fuckwad doesn't even know his own "local" history.
Self-Righteousness - the unforgivable sin.
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having FOX validate that, when he says our forces no longer take prisoners but instead kill them, he has made the use of this posting of his views a potential source for those whom the US is fighting.
Presumably some jihadist asshole who is Col.Peter's mental equivalent
can point to it as a reason not to take American prisoners.
Welcome to the internet. Hope nobody dies thanks to your need to espouse these views.
No trial, nothing. Just hang 'em high.
How about chopping off a hand or two before you do so, hmmm?
I'm betting this guy's knuckles drag the ground.
Sure, terrorists should die. Criminals should be punished. Murderers should be hanged. The innocent should remain free. Who is going to tell them apart Colonel? You?
Of course! I bet he can look them all in the eye and tell if they're the evildoers!
..W.
If the terrorists are killed and criminals are put in jail, why are W and Cheeney still breathing free air?
... FOX has moved from supporting state-sponsored torture, to advocate for state-sponsored "disappearings."
Maybe if Murdock et al wanted so bad to live in a banana republic, they should have gone elsewhere... rather than bring all of us along to their ride from hell.
...Bush, Cheney, Rummy, Rice, etc.
"Just like in the movies, monsters deserve to die." How old is this asshole, 10?
What a macho man. What a joke. Jesus, the propaganda network just keeps digging up more and more wackos everyday. I mean, they actually HIRED beck...and now they just march out dumb shits like this ass hat to spew their ignorance...and they are actually proud they are no smarter than a warm turd.
God help our nation that tunes in to this bull shit network. They really are evolving downward.
So according to you I see no reason we shouldn't kill you what are you doing this afternoon
By giving this "man" a stage for voicing that opinion has Fox commited treason? They knew he was gonna say it, knew what he was gonna say,and they tacitly endorsed his call to commit war crimes against captured POWs. Violates the Geneva Convection, violates the Military Code and violates the constitution.
Fox needs to be made to pay for the actions they take!
Ya, FOX is becoming a public enemy - not yet public enemy number one, but they are helping enemy number one, and that's just not right!
and have their license pulled. Why? Because they are on most basic cable systems so they fall under the broadcast standards.
you friggin jerk. You are the part of the original terrorists and I would love to see your words used against you.
They sure do burst a vessel if we refer to a Limbaugh as a fat pig (oh, noes... we used a bad word! The world is coming to an end!). Yet some right winger asshole advocating for murder, it is A-OK for them.
I am sure they will come in droves to let us know that we used a bad word "asshole" and completely ignore why we used that term to refer to this subhuman piece of pond scum...
Has anyone else noticed how many of these advocates of fascism have really high-pitched voices? Mark Levin, this guy, Hannity... a whole bunch of them have these really wimpy voices.
Is there a bit of overcompensating going on here?
advocating for others.
According to his wikipedia bio, this jackass is nothing more than your garden variety typical desk jockey. Hasn't experienced anything worse than the occasional splinter and paper cut during his career, he is nothing more that a REM (Rear Echelon Motherf*cker). These are the ones who are usually the loudest, because they have never seen combat. He basically lived off the public tit to wax poetic about war, probably he was in heaven watching all those strong enlisted men train in the hot sun from his office window...
I don't care what a glorified secretary has to say regarding torture...
Further proof coal is in fact a pollutant. Someone please tell me this guy is not an evangelical Christian.
against the corporate oligarchy, we would be labeled as terrorists. If they enacted martial law, restricting our rights even more, they would be called great leaders.
...this bozo wasn't worth listening to.
Where does all the hate from these folks come from?
Prom night, little Peter boy is finally going to get some. Time to get naked, put the "goods" on display. Only to be met with a chuckle from his dates... the night ended five minutes later with the perennial "do not worry, it happens to some guys... it is not you, and it is not that small... I did not meant to laugh, I was just nervous... it is humongous really. I mean... 2 or 3 inches is pretty big... really. Now will you stop crying"
Niel referred to this guy as a Fox News strategic analyst...! Would this then not be just a guest spouting off but a Fox spokesman?
is correct.
Peters: Well, there will be miscarriages of justice in a brutal war like this. But I don't think too many. We're pretty good at figuring out who's right and who's wrong.
Every report I've read says that most were innocent. Just people rounded up or turned in for the bounty, yet some are still there.
How many is too many? This neo con wet dream has killed 100's of thousands, men, women and children that NEVER attacked us.
I hate these people more than I can express. A picture is worse than this? Isn't there some law, and can we get someone to enforce it, that will stop these people from inciting violence?
For years all we heard from these assholes is "Support the Troops". If this is supporting them I'll pass.
the most important aspect of this issue that the right glosses over is the fact that the vast majority of those in our concentration camps have not been charged with anything.
i keep hearing the gitmo torture-victims referred to as "terrorists", yet, funny, i don't recall a trial.
The republicans are mostly stupid and they all want America to fail as a democracy.
The only real problem is that the republican theocratic party is presently the official opposition. Man it will feel good once the republican theocrats are replaced by a viable opposition.
They're not stupid so I guess the answer is obvious.
I wonder what they think when Dick Cheney and his snotty nose kid are screaming from the hill tops of our media that
TORTURE WORKS.
How dangerous is that.
The sight monitor and the Secret Service may not approve of the above post.
Sometimes it's not what you say but how you say it.
We're dealing with people who aren't human anymore - peters
when a human being chooses to commit an act of terror against innocent human beings, he puts himself outside of humanity - peters
this is an important step before humans are willing to commit genocide (gas ovens, etc) and the such: dehumanize, then you can kill with impunity. peters is saying that any act against american corporate interests is justification for being slaughtered like an animal.
this is the ignorant, imperialistic response by old guys trying to prove they are tough.
This is an important step
Exactly - this guy reads like a fascist's handbook.
Wait, I thought we were the fascists.
I just can't keep all the histrionics straight anymore. Must be all the gay marriage in the air or something.
WTHH writes: "I just can't keep all the histrionics straight anymore. Must be all the gay marriage in the air or something."
That must be it! Just don't inhale!
Coronel Unknown Dumbass is just one more hate-filled terrorist hiding out with the other Faux noise idiots.
Just another Re=Thug SOCIOPATH.
Re=Thugs -- the party of immature, voraciously rapacious, depraved, despotic, doughy white, cowardly, angry troglodytes, bigots, racists, perverts, xenophobes, pedophiles, murderers, war criminals, homophobes, misogynists, self-righteous hypocrites, self-hating women, fetid wombs, preeminent whiners and consummate chronic liars.
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You forgot bewetting, crybaby losers.
As in anti-democracy.
Faux Noise pays their guest liars (Col. my ASS) very well because they keep coming back with more fabications and proven habitual lies.
may be a colonel but has never been to war. He's an armchair colonel.
a fried chicken colonel.
Or maybe just a chicken.
but in April, when they interviewed him about the Somali pirates as David has linked to at the top of his post, he was listed as a Lt. Colonel. Either FOX misidentified him then or they have, in their chain of command, promoted him themselves.
He's that crazy "National Bible Day" asshole from an earlier thread. Fox just slapped a uniform on him and gave him Cheney talking points.
This guy sounds like a fine christian. Kill everybody and declare yourself forgiven after an hour of public piety on Sunday morning.
Every good christian knows that all you need is like 5 minutes confession to make yourself right in the eyes of god.
In fact, if you put your hands in the air like you just don't care, and make a big spectacle of your contrition (smack your fist against your chest for better effect).... you don't even have to wait til sunday to be all forgiven and stuff.
Funny how these assholes can always make the dogma of some dude who supposedly lived 2000 years ago to match their own opinions and interests. Religion, the gift that keeps on giving... to some.
And while I love them very much and am proud to say I've been raised well, I wouldn't exactly go to many folks there for solutions to these kinds of problems. Now if your cow got out of the pasture or if you didn't know if you were suffering from black lung, sure...
but did he miss an opportunity to mention 9/11?
He's advocating that we kill the terrorists at GITMO! Well, since he and his kind are terrorists, intent on constantly fear-mongering, which has come to define the GOP so well, I say, let's start with Col. Peters!!
Col. Sanders?!?
One of the prime objectives when you are fighting an enemy, is to capture as many as you can. That way you can get info. that will save you in the future (let's not get into experienced interrogators, v. torturers)
What do you do with them after you question them, shoot them all in the head? Wow wingnuttopia!
one of the more important points.
aside from the inhumanity, which debases our culture and endangers our troops by creating a negative perception .. aside from that simple logic ..
how - the hell - can you glean information about plans of attack from "the bad guys" if you kill off all "the bad guys"
I thought half the reason we captured and tortured people in Gitmo was because we needed to glean intelligence from them.
so since we've been unable to glean valuable intelligence from them, we should just kill them? I mean, regardless of whether we haven't gleaned valuable information because the enhanced interrogation techniques aren't working - or because we simply grabbed the wrong "bad guys" - its an asinine solution.
I honestly prefer taking military strategy advice from left-leaning and/or centrist persons with actual military combat experience. these right-wing chickenhawk types tend to shoot from the hip a little too much for my tastes.
WTF???
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/316N8X2...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjEcj8KpuJw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apDGPl2SfpA
If we were so good at telling the innocent from the guilty....then why are so many prisoners in the US jails being proven not guilty via DNA tests. I wonder how many executions have gone thru on innocents......remember the Northwestern Univ. cases a few years ago. It's so easy for this moron to be tough while sitting in his fox studio chair.......Let him enlist and fight.
This troglodyte has a mind made for the mafia. Where did you say he's from again?
Republican party by any other name...
that even though the dead can't talk, their graves tell the whole story.
Who needs to talk when they they can:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJhVM930YXY&fe...
just sayin'
is a colonel? Wow.
I don't understand why everyone is surprised that this became a wingnut talking point. They have already said its ok to throw our values out the window (those values the jihadists hate us for), so it isn't that far a leap to say that instead of holding detainees indefinitely (without any process for clearing their names), that instead of holding them that we just "get rid" of them. And what better way to get rid of someone than offing them?
It really is the logical conclusion to their initial argument — which they don't typically arrive at — so maybe this guy deserves some credit!
..oxymoron though it may be.
for paper cuts. Kerry had it easy in 'Nam in comparison to the personal hell this jagoff must have gone through. Sitting there behind a desk, in a nice air conditioning room... fantasizing about fighting the evil empire.
Not realizing it was he that worked for the evil empire within.
They don't think things through. They understand tactics but don't grasp strategies for success. They are the "all for me" and "screw the rest" party of America. They are not a natural opposition in a democracy. Now they have dishonoured themselves beyond repair. It is futile. Their only hope now would be to take the government by treachery and by force, and by penning the narrative on the MSM.
Oh wait, they're doing that now... Bliiitzeer!!! What is the real situation with this dishonourable opposition? Why have they sunk so low to loose all respect and honour in every possible way, and why didn't we all know about these people earlier?
Why are you playing their game, Woooolf? what's going on?!
Brilliant Biblical solution to the problem. Kill them all. Because it's what God would have done. Like when he decided to drown everything on the planet and sart over with Noah.
And don't forget to dehumanize first - very important.
Peters just wrote an article in JINSA's publication calling for the murder of unfriendly journalists.
http://www.muzzlewatch.com/2009/05/20/jinsa-a...
Wow, unbelievable! That muzzlewatch.com site quotes Peters as writing:
"Pretending to be impartial, the self-segregating personalities drawn to media careers overwhelmingly take a side, and that side is rarely ours. [Ed. emphasis] Although it seems unthinkable now, future wars may require censorship, news blackouts and, ultimately, military attacks on the partisan media. Perceiving themselves as superior beings, journalists have positioned themselves as protected-species combatants. But freedom of the press stops when its abuse kills our soldiers and strengthens our enemies. Such a view arouses disdain today, but a media establishment that has forgotten any sense of sober patriotism may find that it has become tomorrow’s conventional wisdom."
We Report - You Die
We're Fair and Balanced, You're Fair Game
"the word I'm getting from the field is our special operators and our soldiers and Marines on the front lines are taking fewer prisoners."
Not only do I have no reason to believe that this guy is in contact with the *real* soldiers in the field, but I would like to ask him, a la Stephen Colbert, why he hates our troops?
That's a horrible thing to say about our enlisted men and women.
http://www.newshounds.us/2004/11/11/lt_col_ra...
Real f**king hero.
"Just kill them," sums up the right's attitude to people they don't agree with. Must be sumthin' in the bible they can find to justify it.
If they give Halliburton a no-bid deal to build a coliseum, they could televise it to pay for more wars. That's the kinda shit decaying Empires do. Win-win.
"But what if all the 200 or so Gitmo detainees are not monsters -- some were just caught up in a roundup where they weren't doing anything wrong. Now, I don't have the details or the who's who on who might fill that equation here, but you know what I mean, that, that -- then you would be wiping them all out."
How far off the rails do you have to be when you make Neil Cavuto of all people sound sane? And this "COL" has inside information implicating our troops in the systematic murder of prisoners? I think somebody from The Hague should have a talk with him.
"Peters: We're dealing with people who aren't human anymore. They're monsters. And just like in the movies, monsters deserve to die. And we agonize over this."
Yeah! Sieg fuckin' Heil, herr Colonel! /snark
And if God wanted them dead, who is this idiot to suggest that God couldn't have killed them instantly? And given the fact that God didn't kill them, it's only proper that they receive FAIR TRIALS.
"And a good thing that's happening now -- as soon as you had this movement to close Guantanamo, et cetera et cetera, the word I'm getting from the field is our special operators and our soldiers and Marines on the front lines are taking fewer prisoners.
Cavuto: All right, so in other words, they're killing them.
Peters: Yep."
Um...war crimes investigation, anybody?
Capturing them IS more dangerous. And now that we have probably figured out all that could possibly be known about their organization, the higher-ups in the US military most likely determined that they don't need to take the added security risks of trying to take them alive.
Guilty until proven innocent it seems....
This is a disgusting example of right wing Republican thinking- they spit on civil liberties, and have a bloodlust for killing...
Many of those being held at Gitmo are innocent- But hey, they're Muslims, and in the eyes of Republicans, all Muslims are terrorists..
If the Iraqi POWs are killed, then this puts all US soldiers,workers and tourists abroad at risk of being abducted and killed as payback..
Why didn't Cavuto just host a round table of Hooters waitresses? Oops my bad, those are his financial analysts.
"... when we attack an Al Qaeda compound, and the people defending the Al Qaeda compound can -- and they're shooting at us, that's probably a pretty good indicator that they are terrorists."
So, when we come in guns a blazin and shoot up some camp full of people we suspect are 'Al Qaeda', if they try to defend themselves, that means they are guilty and should be killed. Wow......
Exactly.
Peters said "I am not worried".
Transcriptions says "concerned".
The lowlife, terrorist Conservatives would like to have everyone carry an assault weapon and shoot to kill at will.
Peters fails to mention the hundreds of potential murder charges of just killing terrorists.
He acts like a legal scholar, and he does so poorly.
macho asshole...
http://airamerica.com/blog/2009/may/26/12-yea...
Count me out as one of the billions who FEAR the terrorists. And who is it exactly they're terrorizing? Oh yea, that's right the USA and puking cowards like Peters and Cavuto. And just because Peters is military doesn't mean he can't be a gutless human. I know a few that served who are sniveling dogs.
We have brutalized Arabs for decades, selected and propped up despots and stole natural resources that belong to the rabble. Saudi Arabia sponsored the 911 attacks yet, we war on and murder Iraqis and Afghans.
But returning to the question of what to do with the Gitmo detainees killing them is or would be if, I were one of them, an excellent solution. Neither the USA, it's coalition allies nor the country of origin of these people want them, They will never see the light of day or their families again. I'd rather be dead. Many of the detainees are innocents handed over for bounty money so It would be better to move on to Allah or, in my case no god at all, than to be imprisoned for life. Many of the detainees have committed suicide so there is a belief of some detainees that moving on is a good choice.
Translation: "This may not be LEGAL, but I don't care."
It is of course a war crime to simply slaughter helpless prisoners, but "Colonel" Ralph Peters (is he a colonel like Colonel Sanders?) doesn't care. Why should he care? It's not his JOB to care. In fact, his job is to Fox-mock the legitimate concerns of people that have real authority, and real responsibilities.
Kill 'em all, says brave Ralph Peters. No skin off his nose if they do or don't. He's not in the battle, so he's well clear of personal repercussions. Brave Ralph doesn't need to worry about getting captured and tortured by pissed off enemies looking to even the score for America's brutal treatment of prisoners.
"Shock and Awe" was, by definition, an act of terror. Look it up.
"Peters: We're dealing with people who aren't human anymore. They're monsters. And just like in the movies, monsters deserve to die. And we agonize over this.
Cavuto: I see your point about what we agonize over. But what if all the 200 or so Gitmo detainees are not monsters -- some were just caught up in a roundup where they weren't doing anything wrong. Now, I don't have the details or the who's who on who might fill that equation here, but you know what I mean, that, that -- then you would be wiping them all out.
Peters: Well, there will be miscarriages of justice in a brutal war like this. But I don't think too many. We're pretty good at figuring out who's right and who's wrong. "
so if we take this type of policy and innocents die then it is we who are the monsters, and according to the colonel:
"Peters: We're dealing with people who aren't human anymore. They're monsters. And just like in the movies, monsters deserve to die."
... shoot back that makes them terrorists? Have I got that right?
millions of homeless civilians and hundreds of thousands killed are just collateral damage as a result of protecting "the innocent".
By the Collenel's logic the entire US intelligence community should be killed because for 60 years they terrorized nations around the globe overthrowing governments and sabotaging democracy for hard line dictators who'd torture dissenters like the shah or pinnochet for example all for corporations and the MIC. Death to America isn't just some accidental slogan by the way. Frankly I'd be satisfied with just death to the cia. Just kill em eh? no trial nothing like that, just if you attack em and they defend they are terrorists no questions asked boom yer dead wow, what a nutter. The MIC should be dismantled and trials for the last 60 years of injustice should be held and reparations made and the Collenel can just die of shame for being an idiot. Fox is just an incendiary snake pit, I've never seen so many craven jackasses pimping for war and hatred in one place short of KKK rallies and maybe the old Nazi theatrics.
Col. Ralph Peters, here's a special heart felt message ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKe4qddOLtc
this is the same answer most people give me about Gitmo.
http://nhnecommunity.ning.com/video/former-in...
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