10 Lessons for Tea Baggers

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Back in April, the Daily Show's Jon Stewart offered some sound advice for frothing at the mouth Tea Baggers, "I think you might be confusing tyranny with losing." Now five months after their Tax Day outburst, thousands of vein-popping Obama opponents descended Saturday on Washington for Tea Party II. But while Glenn Beck's furious followers alternately slandered the President as a "fascist," a "communist" and worse, they remained unencumbered by either the thought process - or the truth.

Here, then, are 10 Lessons for Tea Baggers:

  1. President Obama Cut Your Taxes
  2. The Stimulus is Working
  3. First Ronald Reagan Tripled the National Debt...
  4. ...Then George W. Bush Doubled It Again
  5. Republican States Have the Worst Health Care
  6. Medicare is a Government Program
  7. Barack Obama is Not a Muslim
  8. Barack Obama was Born in the United States
  9. 70,000 Does Not Equal 2,000,000
  10. The Economy Almost Always Does Better Under Democrats

1. President Obama Cut Your Taxes

As in April, the Tea Baggers continued to display their fundamental misunderstanding of U.S. history and the American Revolution. Apparently, the right-wing zealots are outraged by no taxation with representation.

As promised, Barack Obama in the stimulus package delivered on his pledge of tax relief for 95% of American households. Obama's American Recovery and Reinvestment Act (ARRA) didn't only jump start gross domestic product and refill empty state coffers in the second quarter of 2009. As Nate Silver thoroughly documented, "Obama has cut taxes for 98.6% of working households."

Nevertheless, raging Tea Baggers spouting Republican Tax Day lies took to the streets not to thank the President, but to blame him for the tax cuts they received.

2. The Stimulus is Working

A prime target of Bagger bashing, the $787 billion stimulus package passed over the near-total obstructionism of Congressional Republicans is already paying huge dividends for the economy.

To be sure, at 9.7% the unemployment rate remains dismal. But the impact of ARRA and other government actions extends well beyond the Obama administration's claim it has created or preserved one million jobs to date. As I documented in August:

After steep declines of 5.4% and 6.4% in the previous two quarters, gross domestic product fell only 1% in the last three months. And while the ARRA overall added "up to 3 full percentage points of annualized growth in the quarter," President Obama's stimulus helped precisely where it was needed most - rescuing devastated state budgets.

Earlier this month, the reliably Republican Wall Street Journal agreed the Obama administration has helped stem the bleeding from the Bush Recession:

Many forecasters say stimulus spending is adding two to three percentage points to economic growth in the second and third quarters, when measured at an annual rate. The impact in the second quarter, calculated by analyzing how the extra funds flowing into the economy boost consumption, investment and spending, helped slow the rate of decline and will lay the groundwork for positive growth in the third quarter -- something that seemed almost implausible just a few months ago. Some economists say the 1% contraction in the second quarter would have been far worse, possibly as much as 3.2%, if not for the stimulus.

For the third quarter, economists at Goldman Sachs & Co. predict the U.S. economy will grow by 3.3%. "Without that extra stimulus, we would be somewhere around zero," said Jan Hatzius, chief U.S. economist for Goldman.

3. First Reagan Tripled the National Debt...

For Tea Baggers supposedly concerned that "deficit spending is out of hand," history apparently began only on January 20, 2009. Because while President Obama rightly resorted to massive deficit spending to rescue the American economy from calamity, it was Ronald Reagan who ushered in the now-standard Republican practice of "spending our children's inheritance."

As Steve Benen rightly noted, it was not Reagan but President Obama whose stimulus plan delivered the largest two-year tax cut in history. And as it turns out, what Saint Ronnie giveth, he also taketh away.

As predicted, Reagan's massive $749 billion supply-side tax cuts in 1981 quickly produced even more massive annual budget deficits. Combined with his rapid increase in defense spending, Reagan delivered not the balanced budgets he promised, but record-settings deficits. Ultimately, Reagan was forced to raise taxes twice to avert financial catastrophe (a fact John McCain learned the hard way from Tom Brokaw last October). By the time he left office in 1989, Ronald Reagan nonetheless more than equaled the entire debt burden produced by the previous 200 years of American history.

4. ...Then Bush Doubled It Again

Following in Reagan's footsteps, George W. Bush buried the myth of Republican fiscal discipline.

Inheriting a federal budget in the black and CBO forecast for a $5.6 trillion surplus over 10 years, President George W. Bush quickly set about dismantling the progress made under Bill Clinton. Bush's $1.4 trillion tax cut in 2001, followed by a $550 billion second round in 2003, accounted for the bulk of the yawning budget deficits he produced.

Like Reagan and Stockman before him, Bush resorted to the rosy scenario to claim he would halve the budget deficit by 2009. Before the financial system meltdown last fall, Bush's deficit already reached $490 billion. (And even before the passage of the Wall Street bailout, Bush had presided over a $4 trillion increase in the national debt, a staggering 71% jump.) By this January, the mind-numbing deficit figure reached $1.2 trillion, forcing President Bush to raise the debt ceiling to $11.3 trillion.

Tea Baggers take note: the Bush tax cuts delivered a third of their total benefits to the wealthiest 1% of Americans. And the staggering $2 trillion price tag for Bush's giveaway to the richest needing it least dwarfs the estimated $900 billion cost over 10 years of President Obama's health care proposals.

5. Republican States Have the Worst Health Care

George W. Bush didn't merely spend the health care money on a windfall for America's rich and famous. He helped ensure red states continued to provide the worst health care in the nation.

Call it the Iron Law of Birtherism: the movement which denies President Obama's Hawaiian birth is strongest precisely in those states where Republicans poll best and health care is worst.

A 2007 Commonwealth Fund report, "Aiming Higher: Results from a State Scorecard on Health System Performance," examined states' performance across 32 indicators of health care access, quality, outcomes and hospital use. Topping the list were Hawaii, Iowa, New Hampshire, Vermont and Maine. Bringing up the rear were the Bush bastions of Kentucky, Louisiana, Nevada, Arkansas, Texas, with Mississippi and Oklahoma. The 10 worst performing states were all solidly Republican in 2004. (8 voted for McCain in 2008.)

The extremes in health care performance are startling. For example, 30% of adults and 20% of children in Texas lacked health insurance, compared to 11% in Minnesota and 5% in Vermont, respectively. Premature death rates from preventable conditions were almost double (141.7 per 100,000 people) in Tennessee, Arkansas, Louisiana and Mississippi compared to the top performing states (74.1 per 100,000). Adults over 50 receiving preventative care topped 50% in Minnesota compared to only 33% in Idaho. Childhood immunizations reached 94% in Massachusetts, compared to just 75% in the bottom five states. As the report details, federal and state policies, such as insurance requirements and Medicaid incentives, clearly impact health care outcomes.

(In May, the Washington Post rightly noted it would be blue state residents funding health care reform for their red state brethren in an article titled, "A Red State Booster Shot." The grandstanding of Sarah Palin, Bobby Jindal et al notwithstanding, the same one-way flow of taxpayer dollars from Washington to red states, of course, is a permanent feature of federal spending in general. And yet a 2008 survey predictably showed 68% of Republicans believe the U.S. has the best health system in the world, compared to only three in 10 Democrats.)

6. Medicare is a Government Program

Among the greatest ironies of the health care debate is the specter of Republicans feigning concern over Medicare. The same party that opposed Medicare in the 1960's and tried to slash its budget in the 1990's now scares the bejesus out of 46 million American elderly recipients by warning of bogus death panels and Democrats "sticking it to seniors with cuts to Medicare."

Even more ironic is that a majority of the GP faithful do not seem to know that Medicare is a government-run program. As I noted previously:

In July, Rep. Bob Inglis (R-SC) described an angry constituent who confronted him at a South Carolina town hall meeting, "keep your government hands off my Medicare." Despite his best efforts to explain that Medicare is a government program, the voter, Inglis lamented, "wasn't having any of it."

But as recent data from Public Policy Polling revealed, that same cognitive failure is now far more widespread than swine flu. While 39% of all Americans responded that the government should "stay out of Medicare," 59% of self-identified conservatives and 62% of McCain voters hold that oxymoronic view.

7. Barack Obama is Not a Muslim

An April survey by the Pew Research Center showed that 11% of Americans believe Barack Obama is a Muslim, a figure largely unchanged since its polling started in March 2008. Yet 17% of Republicans and 19% of white evangelicals (74% of whom voted for John McCain) insist the President is an adherent of Islam, despite his repeated pronouncements and decades of church attendance to the contrary.

Judging from their signs, a much larger percentage of Tea Baggers maintain this error.

8. Barack Obama was Born in the United States

As it turns out, the Tea Bagging faithful are even worse at basic geography than comparative religion. The Birther contagion is running rampant among the ranks of Republicans. And even with repeated treatments of birth certificates and Hawaiian newspaper announcements from 1961, there is apparently no cure.

A DailyKos/Research 2000 poll found that a stunning 58% of Republicans did not believe (28%) or were unsure (30%) that President Barack Obama was in fact born in the United States. To be sure, this is a Southern pathology, a region home to 69% of all birthers and the only part of the country to increase its Republican presidential vote in 2008. The PPP survey only confirmed the chronic birtherism plaguing the Republican Party:

Only 62% of respondents reported believing that Obama was born in the United States. 10% thought he was born in Indonesia, 7% thought he was born in Kenya, 1% thought he was born in the Philippines, and 20% weren't sure. Among Republicans 44% think he was not born here while just 36% believe that he was.

(In a promising development, only 10% of respondents weren't sure if Hawaii is part of the United States. On this score, conservatives were only slightly more confused than liberals and moderates.)

9. 70,000 Does Not Equal 2,000,000

Math, too, provides another stumbling block for the masterminds and acolytes of Tea Party movement.

After FreedomWorks president Matt Kibbe wrongly inflated the estimates of the 9/12 crowd in Washington DC at 2,000,000, ABC and others corrected the fraud. But that didn't stop the conservative blogosphere from parroting the charade debunked by both DC police - and simple comparative photography.

As Nat Silver concluded, "Size Matters; So Do Lies."

The way this false estimate came into being is relatively simple: Matt Kibbe, the president of FreedomWorks, lied, claiming that ABC News had reported numbers of between 1.0 and 1.5 million when they never did anything of the sort. A few tweets later, the numbers had been exaggerated still further to 2 million. Kibbe wasn't "in error", as Malkin gently puts it. He lied. He did the equivalent of telling people that his penis is 53 inches long.

10. The Economy Almost Always Does Better Under Democrats

If the extended Pinocchio nose and a similarly over-inflated phallus are the apt symbols of the Tea Party movement, the Tea Baggers are in for one final, rude awakening. For all of their histrionics about "socialism" and "communism", the historical record clearly shows the economy overall and the stock market in particular almost always do better under Democratic presidents.

Just days after the Washington Post documented that George W. Bush presided over the worst eight-year economic performance in the modern American presidency, the New York Times in January featured an analysis comparing presidential performance going back to Eisenhower. As the Times showed, George W. Bush, the first MBA president, was a historic failure when it came to expanding GDP, producing jobs and fueling stock market growth. And across almost every indicator (article here, charts here), Democrats outperformed their Republican counterparts.

The superior performance of Democratic presidents covers virtually the entire spectrum of economic indicators. As Elliott Parker of the University of Nevada, Reno detailed in a 2006 paper, since 1949 Democratic administrations have done better than Republican ones when it comes to unemployment (5.2% to 6.0%), job creation (-.0.4% decrease in unemployment, compared to 0.3% increase), GDP growth rate (4.2% to 2.9%), and even corporate profits as a share of GDP. And to be sure, he found the Dow benefits from Democrats in the White House.

There's no shortage of studies to show that stock market returns are higher under Democratic leadership. (As it turns out, Wall Street's performance is also better when Democrats control Congress.) In 2000, Pedro Santa-Clara and Rossen Valkanov of UCLA's Anderson School of Business concluded that "that the average excess return in the stock market is higher under Democratic than Republican presidents - a difference of 9 percent per year for the value-weighted portfolio and 16 percent for the equal-weighted portfolio." As the New York Times noted of UCLA study in 2003:

"It's not even close. The stock market does far better under Democrats...

As the spent Tea Baggers wipe the spittle from their lips at they trudge home from Washington, they would do well to remember one final truth. The words of Harry Truman, the man Sarah Palin cited as her model, are as true today as when he uttered them generations ago:

"If you want to live like a Republican, vote Democratic."

(This piece also appears at Perrspectives.)



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Get a nice taste of what it's like to go out and then get completely ignored or given next to no priority by the Main Stream Media and kissed off by your own Government in D.C. welcome to the club Folks!

Don't feel good does it.

At least until the fools at Faux News tire of exploiting them for their corporate masters.

get in the way of baggin' thier tea. Why bother anymore to try to point out facts to the brain dead rethugs.

There's no "a" in Faux News.....

LOL

the tea bag protesters can't be bothered with facts.

FYI: Beck was on FOX & Friends this morning reporting that 1.7 million were at the protest Saturday.

He said the other 300,000 wouldn't count because they "didn't spell their signs write."

I think he said the other 300,000 couldn't count...or did he mean all of them?

correctly...appear to be mass produced...
Pretty slick for a "grass roots" movement, wouldn't ya say?

The post so nice I had to post it twice.

The Million Mullet March

the million mullet march...minus 930,000

perhaps there was more than one mullet per person. Not that there is anything wrong with that!

I submitted this post to stumble with the tag "guns" I hope some repugnacan heads explode.

Truth makes them double down. Their heads explode as they know the REAL truth. Useful to show how fact free they are and crazy and racist to boot, but the truth will not set them free.

they can't handle the truth.

now that taking or stealing peoples money by whatever means necessary has become the New American Ideal-Idol.

we are darn near out other people's land to steal.

But

we can still get the mark up from what grows on it

actually American "entrepenures" have been doing just that from the begin of our country's history (just ask native Americans). so not so new, just different targets and the best at taking and stealing are the big corporations. and they make us think that it's a great service their doing for us too.

A Kaiser Foundation survey of employers finds that next year employers are planning on increasing the cost of healthcare benefits for their employees by increasing employee premiums, co-pays and drug costs. While that is hardly surprising, it gets worse: 9% plan on tightening the eligibility requirements for coverage and 8% plan to drop healthcare benefits entirely.

Anyone who things this is a situation does not cry out for reform is deluded—or raking in profits from a drug or insurance company.

the teabaggers are foolish. health care conditions, health care and health care insurance is a collective issue. when people can't/won't pay their medical bills that cost is shifted to the paying pool and/or the TAX payers. the trend, due to cost is for employers to rid or reduce health care insurance benefits. individuals trying to get insurance find it difficult/expensive. the cost of health care insurance is projected to double in premium cost (again) in ten years. a family of four will be about $25,000. 60% of bankruptcies involve medical bills of those 60%......80% had health insurance. more bankruptcies,more uninsured.....more shift to the TAX payers/paying pool. interconnectedness can't be avoided with the
ROMANCE of "individualism". this is/will affect everyone.

Which simply speaks to the ignorance of this country. The public has been voting against its own interests for the last 30 years.

In this election, it supposedly voted for change. I believe the only change it wanted was the GOP out of office...but it didn't really want the boat rocked. People are numb. They have been numbed by the media. They have been numbed by depressed wages for two generations, for lack of upward mobiiity, lack of jobs...the list goes on and on. It's no wonder they are easily frightened. After seeing their wages, jobs, 401K values, homes values all disappear in a puff of smoke, they simply want NOTHING to happen. To them...that is change. Of course, it is a self defeating attitude, but plays well into the hands of the elites.

I have always believed and still believe...that this country only reacts to pain. Obviously, the pain is not great enough. It is not great enough for the middle class to get motivated to action. It is not great enough for the uneducated to see that they are fighting against their own interests. It's simply not enough pain.

I DO hope that healthcare costs climb even more exponentially. We need MORE middle class Americans without healthcare. Then they will wake up to the fact that THEY are poor too.

Maybe then we will finally get REAL change in this country.

The only consensus over health care seems to be that the current system is broken, which is untrue! It is working just the way any free market business is supposed to - making ever-increasing profits for the stock holders and execs. A govt plan would remove profit from the delivery system, thereby lowering its cost and raising its efficiency from a consumer standpoint. But America has been taught for over 30 yrs to fear the govt. The basic idea that it may be immoral to make a profit from people's sickness rarely gets mentioned.

such a great system, really? if you consider your health to be a commodity and not a necessity. and when you loose your insurance or can't afford it anymore then i guess we should just leave you on the streets because i'm sure you'd want no part of charity care or socialized medical programs like medicare, medicaid, medical, etc! and since we love free market why not apply the same principles to fire and police services, commodity not a necessity. you only get the protection you can afford. cities and states i'm sure would rather have profits from these services than having them continually taking larger portions of their budgets. just a thought.

Making profits from peoples' illnesses is not the only immoral thing about latter day capitalism.

I work in the medical field and I think that "pain" will be coming sooner than some people think.

and with this "wonderful" current system, my employer's offering of healthcare insurance is such a GREAT example of CHOICE......one company with either their hmo1, hmo2, or ppo. now that's real choice. and each year for the past decade the premiums go up and we've changed companies so that now our current one offers the least amount of coverage and makes headlines for denials of care and canceling policies. great.

Why not add two more and make it an odd dozen?

11. Hawaii is not a pagan nation.
12. Hitler's New Deal solved the Depression

I guess you liberals are afraid to debate foreign policy.

What the Hell are you talking about? Put down the crack pipe before you hit "submit."

Ricky doesn't use the "snark" tag when he posts a snark.

Comic relief. Arguably necessary.

... I figured it for snark but it's so hard to tell these days.

Irony has spun so long in her grave that repubs think Colbert is one of them.

With all of their signs calling Obama a communist... the teabaggers should probably realize that they are supporting a real communist country (China) by buying goods at Walmart.

And Communist Russia doesn't exist anymore.

hose away the disinformation of the media and just look at the players behind present world conflicts and the crashing of the world economies.

I mean can it be anymore obvious?

that most of our generation cut their tv addiction teeth on "pay no attention to the man behind the curtain"! Surely, most of us know that it's essential to pull that guy out from behind the curtain and into the stark light of truth?!?

tv addictions based on movies based on plays based on children's books.

"Senator Fine, meet Senator Howard ..."

Nyuck nyuck nyuck.

Isn't that where Rudy Giuliani was mayor?

stumped until you stepped in. I thought Fine and Howard were lawyers, not Senators.

..represented by the law firm of Dewey, Cheatem and Howe!

my lawyers get through with them.

Avoid getting into hot water?

S&MSM for your information?

)O(

Now that's news I might watch.

You're making fun of people who believe the government is taking over everything, but insisting that there's 'state run' media, and perpetuating the 'mainstream media' - a meme that has only one purpose: to convince people to watch FOX News, because they're showing something the 'mainstream media' isn't.

The best part is that Jon Stewart pointed out that they are all confusing tyranny with losing. That's exactly what I've been saying since they lost the election. You'll notice that no reporter has ever bothered to ask one of these teabaggers who they voted for? We can tell by their signs and allegiance to fox news who they voted for but, why are they never even asked? After putting down their inner most personal thoughts, they can't say that it would infringe on their right to privacy. Your sign can say that Obama is Hitler but, you can't tell us something as simple as who you voted for? Even the townhall crazies were clearly all Republicans but, it's something so horrible they dare not speak it's name? Please! Get use to losing you ignorant, inbreds! It's what you do best now!

there has to be winners and losers. Otherwise your just another vegetable laid out in the bin and impossible to distinguish from
ones companions.

He was a good friend in a bin and never ruffled the rutabagas around him.

Was interesting last year visiting in Washington state and seeing some Republican candidates petitioning to have the word "Republican" removed from behind their names on the ballot and replaced with GOP. Guess they had an identity crisis.

These people will say anything!

shout anything. Shout.

There have been a few morsels left off this list that I won't burden us with by there is one that can't go unmentioned:

X. You can't fix stupid.

XI

You can't fix stupid and you can't reason with crazy.

I'm glad their rally which was promoted for 6 months couldn't even pull in 100,000 people. It shows why fox can be a ratings king but, can't help their stupid candidated get elected. That was a very small slice of the wingnut constituency which is why they're still trying to convince us that it was over a million people. They've got what we would call protest envy! Even the photo of the Million Man March curshed these idiots! That's got to hurt!

always hurts. Especially when they make you spill your m'fing tea.

hittin teh sauce early today are we?
};)>

reading to whom I'se relpying? Beside, I learnt all my cursh words from you.

don't aye?

The tea baggers (and their ilk) are making fools of themselves.

It is all too obvious.

"Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake."

Napoleon Bonaparte (1769 - 1821)

in Moscow?

has the LOWEST divorce rate in the country...

So right wing claims that gay marriage would 'destroy the institution of marriage' have proven false...

All of these teabaggers fucked up lives they've always been able to count on being superior to minorites no matter what.

Obama in "their White House" was the last straw for these "good Americans".

All of these teabaggers fucked up lives they've always been able to *convince themselves they are* superior to minorites no matter what.

There, fixed it for ya, mi amigo!
Carry on!

This all presumes....

1) Teabaggers are capable of independent thought
2) Teabaggers are intellectually honest
3) Teabaggers have any degree of intelligence
4) Teabaggers can count
5) Teabaggers can read

exactly

1. Of course I kin think fer myself. I just agree with Glenn Beck.
2. Are you callin' me a liar?
3. Just because I don't have some fancy-dan degree don't mean I ain't smart.
4. Only need to count to ten, 'cause there's only ten commandments.
5. Read. Ain't he that senator fella from Nervada?

..told us, without equivocation, that "Yankees don't know how to grow corn!" That was until they ate a bushel of it.

... because youse [/Jersey] could count to 5.

Lesson 11: the shrill faux-defense of the constitution is more effective if you hadn't cheerlead the previous administration's full frontal assault of the constitution

Tell them to learn to spell?

this is just Culture Club politics. everyone wants to belong to a club/demographic. for most of these people the teabaggers they run around with a few ron paul buzz words and mention thomas jefferson thinking that solves real problems. idealism is interesting for daydreamers. right now we need realism.
some of these people just get off disliking people not like them. they love the propaganda that is spewed from the talking heads to get these people to vote against their own best interest.

Which is why I have always lived by Groucho Marx's credo...

"I would never belong to a club that would have me as a member."

Me too!

Marxism!

After passively enduring eight years of being raped by Bush & company, this "movement" after only eight months of Obama is beyond being full of shit...this unprecedented showing of anarchy by angry white people mad because they got stomped last election resulting with a "Negro" in the White House is pure racism.

do you feel the need to embolden a point that you've been repeating for the better part of the last two years? It's just as boring in regular print as it is in bold, and just as meaningless now as it was then.

Wow, time sure does fly.

Lefty's been at this for the better part of two years, yes.

Before it was cool to call everyone you disagreed with racists, as a matter of fact.

Now that it is cool, I'm merely asking him why he feels the need to embolden it. Frustrated that he didn't get enough credit for being a trailblazer here?

... because it makes it easier for people like you to read it.

Of course, maybe he needs to misspell a few words for it to really hit some brain cells.

We're all stoopid people.

And racists.

Because we protest.

Or something.

Got it, Shadow.

... shit that ain't real.

Like death panels. Getting 'government out of medicare.' Complaining about socialism, fascism, Islamism, and everything in between.

Following GLENN BECK, for cryin' out loud.

in a u.s. flag claiming to be patriotic.

"We're all stoopid people.

And racists.

Because we protest.

Or something.

Got it, Shadow."

Yup. just read their signs. dennis no truer word have ever been spoken.

I was here when you guys tried Oh so hard to get people to march in Washington and to organize that 'don't show up for work' day.

You were too.

I didn't call anyone here 'stoopid peepul'.

Or racist. Or anything closely resembling.

Looking back, it was kinda pathetic, many of the comments here especially.

But it seems to be very difficult for many of you to remember back that far. At least those kinds of things.

and we have facts and the truth on our side.
We don't get all frothy over the BS propaganda that the likes of beck, limbaugh and the other fascist prevaricators spew forth like bile daily!

Oh and most of us are chained to our jobs and can't afford to go protest. We don't have right wing corporations bankrolling us now do we?
Astroturfin assholes.
Fuck all y'all

When you say "shit that ain't real" you mean things that you believe will never be realized or that you think someone is wrong about? I mean how could you know if there will be death panels or not yet or if socialism, fascism, Islamism will be overwhelming issues in the future? Why don't you start by proving there will not be any death panels. Mr. shadow

tactics of those who occupied the kremlin before you, red boy.

That is such a typical right wing argument. Just go to hell Mr. Shaw. You are an asshole.

of all the "isms" he spouted out in disgust
he left out Marxism and communism. He is a red provocateur.

I was replying to Shadowgm's comment @ 09:48. And you are calling me a commie such ignorance.

the communist party has been well documented. Scholars have noted the fact
that both rely on strong central authority and the statement of obvious mistruth as fact. The connection between klaverns and soviets has been noted for decades, red boy.

Way to prove your point there Capt. If you ever had one.

used on their show.

something that does not exist will never exist? They do exist in private insurance now but are not in any of the bills.

they do it with their religion all the time.

rick shaw...
you are obviously brainwashed.

already ran home to red square.

goin home to cry in his borscht.

... any pending legislation that would create, directly or indirectly, a government panel wherein some committee is deciding who to euthanize or provide care to.

Such decisions have always been the purview of the individual, through living wills and other legal directives, and not the chicanery of an imagined state-driven conspiracy.

End-of-life counseling is not a 'death panel' in any shape or form. It's about making sure a patient understands their options, including the signing of a DNR (do not resuscitate) order. (Because, in some areas, without a DNR, the law requires paramedics to exercise any and all measures to keep the patient alive, including hooking them up to machines.)

That's the reality. Your giving credence to nonsense like 'death panels,' which has been repeatedly debunked, is what I decry as 'shit that ain't real.'

Negatives cannot be proven true or false. By asking the question "Why don't you start by proving there will not be any death panels"? you are setting up the logical fallacy that this is a legitimate concern. To that point I return the question "Do you honestly believe that you're fellow US Americans, regardless of political party or identification, are interested in cost saving measures at the expense of the lives of the disabled and elderly?" Really?

It is also a scientific impossibility to prove something does not exist. The main reason so few practicioners of science way in on the UFO controversy. It's a matter of faith, not science.

That's what is ment by "shit that ain't real".

Now I ask you, why do you support the continuation of businesses which are currently using death panels to consider funding your right to medical care regardless of the contract you have with said company or the status of your payments?

Proof n. 1 conclusive evidence. evidence or an argument that serves to establish a fact or the truth of something.

While there is nothing in the healthcare proposals that says specifically that “there will be no Death Panels,” there is absolutely nothing being proposed that resembles these so called “Death Panels” either.

So I must agree with you, Rick Shaw. There may be Death Panels. I'm sure President Obama wishes avery family should have to go through what he did with insurance refusing to pay for his mother's end of life care.

But I think these arguments don't go far enough. Can anybody "prove' that healthcare reform will not mandate that everybody must have a doctor who is also a voodoo high priest(ess)? And also require anybody seeking care to have a referral from a leprechaun.

Being from Alaska, I just "know" Sarah Palin would NEVER stretch the truth about ANYTHING.

martyrs.

*sniff*

Ya went and hurt his itty bitty cracker feelings, Shadowgram.

Exercising their Goawd given rights to be total morans, make fools out of themselves on WORLDWIDE teevee so they can protest against their own best interests and protest FOR the benefit of corporations that care only about profits.

That about sum it up for ya dennis?

We just passed the one year anniversary of when you thought all was lost for the O-man and I had to pick you up and dust you off and tell you not to give up the fight. I remember it like it was yesterday, I laughed so hard.

From despair to cockiness to I don't know what state you're in now, but you seem more consumed with what the party out of power is doing than what the party in power is doing.

It's like I need to give you a pep talk all over again.

about your pathetic little world.

You fail to address the subject of my post.

Save your pep talk for your fellow teabaggers dennis, they're gonna need it before I will.

and do what?!?

You level an ad hominem attack against the black guy!

There is no excuse for racist crackers such as your pathetic self.

Go launder your sheet, you racist bampot!

and crowdie across me keyboard lad.

It didnae gar ye bokin'.

drookit.

Say whatever you want, my hands are tied to respond in kind, but the charges of racism, yours and his, mean you have no argument, and that you only see Barack Obama as a black man. My question to LeftandLeft had absolutely nothing to do with his being a black guy.

And I asked for his response, not yours.

"I asked HIM, not you."

And seeing as your question has about as much content as you accuse L&L's statement of containing, what are you complaining about?

Charges of being born in Kenya. Of being a secret Muslim. Of being not black enough, then too black. If it's not racism, what is it, Dennis?

Stupidity?

had nothing to do with the subject of this thread either.

L&L

didn't accuse you of racism. I did.

But I noticed your bone-headed attempt to further muddy the waters by claiming that L&L called you out.

He didn't. I did. I've had to deal with numerous racists and their victims in my professional life.

You haven't been here in months, and the first thing that you do sounds like:

"Answer my question, boy!"

Contemptable

--I didn't say L-squared accused me personally of racism.

--I didn't say he called me out.

--We've likely all had to deal with numerous racists in our lives. That has nothing to do with this.

--My question to L-squared had no intentions anywhere close to "Answer my question, boy". I just told you that my question was to him, not you. And you misspelled contemptible. Not that I care, but since you guys had 300+ comments 'stoopid peepul' yesterday, you might consider spell-check for the tough words so as not to appear hypocritical.

Not that any of you are.

yours and his, mean you have no argument blah blah (whine) blah..."

I see, you must have been yappin about the mouse in my pocket.

300+? We are not dummer than you think.

Update: I get it. The number 300 is popular with you guys cause thats how many oily well built Spartans there was, right? You just pulled it out of the airwaves?

Don't think any of you are dumm. Not saying that, anyway, ricky. I leave that to you guys.

mighty white of you.

You never no whn spelling airers are simple typhos.

Update: Of course, when they are on a hand lettered sign waved at a television camera it is hard to blame the mistake on the digits.

"Mighty white of you", ricky???

What, exactly does that mean?

to another of his race who concedes an obvious fact out of contempt of those who are his equal but whom he refuses to aknowledge as such.

I don't think as a white southerner you should be assuming that about yourself, or me. I don't care to be a part of it, anyway.

I can't reciprocate. I hope you don't mind.

is nothing more than mere revenge.

I agree with you on both the typos and the signs. If I was going to take the time to make a sign, I would check and double check to make sure the spelling was correct.

And while typos and words misspelled are of little consequence to me, especially on comments sections of blogs, if I was going to berate or call someone stupid, like you guys had a field day doing yesterday, then yeah, you ought to take the time to spell the words right, too.

Lest you appear hypocritical.

Which I'm so sure none of you are.

There are only a few that I would label as hypo-critical.

Sherriff Hogg?

Can't have them colored goin' round and putting type in boldface...

Make sure that he calls you "boss" or "suh" when he does answer your non-question.

Go back to Stormfront.

I have no argument.

... what, exactly, are YOU arguing?

to take the bait when the dumb white boys and the crazy Chinaman will do it for him.

to go inbreed or something?

I honestly thought that he had blew his head off once that proper talking Negro became the Country's Prez.

Periodically Mr. dennis returns to C&L to be our designated pinata...it's a bizarre guilt trip/punishment many Klansmen/Nazi types are putting themselves through nationwide on Progressive sites.

his favorite target.

Hmm...I wonder why?

what your eliminationist rhetoric has wrought,jsut downstate from you?

Bus camera shows attack on Belleville West student was racially motivated

Kanye.

Serena.

The anti-abortionist killing in Michigan last week (not reported here.)

Your eliminationist rhetoric.

Enough about Glenn Beck. Look within, Grasshopper.

you are so full of shit your eyes are turnin brown.

You guys need to take responsibility for your actions.

project much dennis?

and tell you what a racist weenie you are, but I've got an important nap to take.

Now's your chance to get the last word!

please stick around and tell me one thing I've said that is even remotely racist, Micky.

that most of this is racism? Watch the march of Edward Kimmel and tell us how many Blacks you can count.

He lives in an all-white happy place where there's no such thing as racism.

It's just the DFH's who keep bringing up the subject ...

Is there such a place after our miserable failure to defend our borders?

Oh that proves it! No blacks in the march so they must all be racist. Ever been to a black church and count the white people there? Are they all racist too because there are very few if any whites?

that a black man is POTUS.

Really!

*cough*

but I guaran-damn-tee ya upwards of 90% are.
Old, white AND southern...they may not be racists per se...but I bet they can say the "N" word reeeeeeal good.

I'm a southerner, I grew up around these kind of people.
To say that they can't possibly be racist is disingenuous at best.
An outright lie at worst.

No,

I didn't say they were all racist. What I'm saying is racism has a lot to do with it. I would hate to see the reaction of those that are racist if Edward Kimmel was black.

What's a protest march have to do with the makeup of a church congregation? (Which is further delinated by denomination and geographic location.)

I swear, they send trolls like you to some kind of boot camp so y'all can spout the same nonsense.

And he starts with an ad hominem attack from the get go.

I was wondering when you was come crawlin outta yer cave to spout off with your insipid bullshit.

You seem to thrive on blog-bys...

and they keep trying to find other excuses for what they're doin...but anyone with half a brain knows, they're racists.

So you and a couple of friends figured that one out together?
The way some have just resorted to calling any one that disagrees with them racist is just idiotic.

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