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Cross-posted from Mouse Musings

Since the Bush administration’s legacy left the country suffering the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression, the number of unemployed has increased by 7.6 million to 15.1, and the official unemployment rate is just under 10%, For so many, just having a job – any crappy, horrible, badly-paid job – is better than no job at all. So few people are paying much attention to what is happening, and has been happening for quite some time, to those who are employed in what should be ‘good’ jobs; the increasing pressure on workers to work longer and harder, for less and less. Or else.

But sometimes the ‘or else’ isn’t just about losing your job. Let’s face it; there are some jobs where chronic fatigue and burnout are more hazardous than others. Flying for an airline for one. A few days ago, Northwest Flight 188 from San Diego to Minneapolis overflew the airport by more than 150 miles, out of radio contact with air traffic controllers for 80 minutes. Something sure as hell went very wrong 37,000 feet in the air with 147 unsuspecting passengers sitting in the back seats, and speculation is running rife about how two experienced and highly qualified pilots could possibly fly past their destination without either noticing. The chatter on just about every airline pilot forum is the same – suspicion falling on the most likely reason – the pilots simply… fell asleep. Luckily, no one died, except possibly two pilots’ careers.

Would be nice to think this was a one-off aberration. It’s not. A couple weeks ago, a Delta 767 with 195 passengers and crew landed in Atlanta on a taxiway instead of the runway, and investigators suspect fatigue as a factor; the crew had flown 10 hours and was landing at night. The third pilot, doing a checkride, had become ill during the flight, and was being cared for in the cabin as the other two pilots, distracted and tired, landed the jet on the wrong strip of asphalt. Not exactly the checkride they were hoping for.

Nor is it the first time a flight crew has fallen asleep at the controls. Both the pilot and co-pilot of a go! airline flight dozed off at 21,000 feet while flying to Hilo last year, with air traffic controllers trying to contact the plane for 25 minutes before the pilots woke up, realized they’d overshot the airport and were heading out to sea. Both pilots lost their jobs. Yet complaints of pilot fatigue is not new for go!’s parent company, Mesa Air in Phoenix. Dallas television station WFAA-TV reported as far back as 2006 that flight schedules were so tight pilots were exhausted, some even camping in their aircraft to catch a few hours of sleep.

Last year, after a Shuttle America regional jet slid off the end of a snowy runway in Cleveland, investigators cited the captain’s fatigue as a crucial factor. The National Transport Safety Board criticized the captain for not removing himself from duty, despite suffering from fatigue… but as we’ve read here before, Michael Moore was handed a letter sent to the F/O on his flight, the airline warning the pilot he’d taken three sick days in the past year, and had better not take another. Or else. It isn’t just financial need forcing pilots to fly past their physical limits, it’s their bosses.

It seems the industry is still struggling with the lessons of Colgan Air Flight 3407. 24-year-old co-pilot Rebecca Shaw had travelled all night as a passenger on FedEx planes from Seattle to Newark – she was so tired she complained of feeling ill, but with only earning $15,800 the year before, she couldn’t afford not to fly. Even while working as a pilot, she had moonlighted as a waitress in a Virgina coffee shop. The captain, Marvin Renslow, had napped on a sofa in the airport crew lounge before the flight. Both pilots were overtired, underpaid and unprepared for the weather conditions as the airline had considered the simulator training too expensive. Shaw, Renslow and 49 passengers died when the plane’s wings iced up and dropped them onto a house in Buffalo, New York.

Would be nice to think this might just be a problem for pilots. It’s not. In March, 2006, an air traffic controller in Chicago with only four hours sleep between shifts cleared two jets for take-off on the same runway. The pilots managed to spot each other in time. In 2004, an ATC in Los Angeles with only five hours of sleep between shifts did the same thing, with the plane on approach managing to pull up 12 seconds before it would have collided with one on the ground. In Denver, two weeks after 9/11, an ATC with less than two hours sleep between shifts cleared a Boeing 757 for take off… on a runway that had been closed for construction. Three months before, an ATC working his third shift in two days cleared two planes for the same runway, the pilot in the landing plane managing to slam on the brakes before colliding with a jet crossing the runway. No one died.

But it was only a matter of time. In 2006, a lone air traffic controller in Lexington, Kentucky with only a two-hour nap between shifts cleared Comair Flight 5191 for take-off. He wasn’t watching when it turned onto the wrong, fatally short, runway. In the dark, the pilot didn’t realize and crashed into trees, killing 49 people on board. ‘Controllers are absolutely more tired now than they have ever been, and it's because they are forced to work overtime,’ said Doug Church, spokesman for the National Air Traffic Controllers Association. ‘This is an understaffed system, and the FAA is lying when they say it's not.’ Record numbers of ATCs are quitting, with the remainder making up staffing shortages. A GAO report cites ATC fatigue as a major reason for the sharp increase in near catastrophic mistakes. It would be nice to think this is just a problem for the airlines. It’s not. MTA bus drivers are moonlighting with second jobs, working over the allowed 10 hours a day, getting traffic tickets without their employers finding out. Four drivers were involved in incidents on days they worked over 10 hours. Three drivers who held second jobs had avoidable crashes. And in April this year, a bus crash in California’s Sierra Nevada killed one person and injured twenty-four, with investigators suspecting driver fatigue may have contributed to the fatal accident.

It would be nice to think maybe it’s just the transport industry in general with the problem. It’s not. Doctors, unions and other medical experts have been urging hospitals to cut down on the compulsory hours for residents working at least 80 hours a week at most training hospitals, many 30 hours straight without a break. Doctors in training who fall asleep during surgery or while examining patients make four times more errors that cause deaths than their better-rested colleagues. ‘The evidence demonstrates that academic medicine is failing both doctors and patients by routinely requiring exhausted doctors to work marathon shifts,’ says Charles Czeisler, Baldino Professor of Sleep Medicine. ‘The human brain simply does not perform reliably for 24 consecutive hours without sleep.’

It’s not just doctors. University of Pennsylvania researchers tracked 393 hospital nurses and found about 40 percent were working shifts on average in excess of 12 and a half hours, every nurse working at least 55 minutes longer than scheduled, and a third working overtime every single day over the four week study. Fatigue in nursing staff considerably raised the risk of dispensing the wrong medicine or the wrong dosage.

But the crushing hours worked by doctors and nurses in hospitals is unlikely to change any time soon. A study commissioned by the Rand Corporation has claimed that giving new doctors enough rest to avoid chronic fatigue while they train would cost hospitals $1.6 billion dollars, as extra personnel would have to be hired to fill in for them. It’s just not ‘cost-effective.’ Besides, says Dr. Teryl Nuckols, most errors don’t actually harm a patient. I guess she didn’t read the U.S. Institute of Medicine report in 1999 on between 48,000 and 98,000 Americans dying each year from preventable medical errors ranging from drug overdoses to nosocomial infections, due in large part to resident doctors exhausted and overwhelmed by long hours, mental fatigue and high levels of stress.

Emergency dispatchers are also falling asleep on the job, the most notable public scrutiny falling on dispatcher Ron Kronenberger, who answered a 911 call from Ryan Widmer, accused of killing his wife. In the 911 call, Kronenburger sounded as if he were groggy, at one point asking Widmer if he were his wife’s mother. The county’s investigation found Kronenberger habitually slept on duty, as did another Warren County dispatcher, Shawn Mason. People don’t normally sleep on the job because they’re lazy, or they’ve got nothing better to do. They fall asleep because they’re tired. And it’s a problem for the police. A survey of police found 85 percent have inadvertently fallen asleep while on duty due to lack of sleep. The normal 8-hour shift is rare in any police force, most police officers working ten, eleven, even twelve hour shifts, often without a break. A sheriff’s deputy fell asleep at the wheel during a 12 and a half hour shift, veered across a lane to run into and kill two bicyclists in Cupertino and severely injure a third. ‘Our cops are ticking time bombs for lack of sleep,’ says retired CHP captain Gordon Graham.

And it’s a problem for firemen. Fire Station No. 203 at Standage and University Drive is one of the busiest in the country, but like too many firestations have seen the city cut services as the budget tightens, firefighters stretched longer hours and doing more with fewer resources, leading to chronic fatigue. ‘When you get overstressed with your resources and are extended you are going to lose,’ Mesa fire Capt. Ralph Churchman said. ‘And in this business, it is lives.’ And it’s a problem for the military. Recently, the Navy had a ship run aground because the captain had barely slept in days and the two qualified lookouts who were supposed to be with him were busy elsewhere helping out a woefully undermanned crew. Sailors are routinely standing a watch, then going to work, then standing another watch, with most junior officers getting only three to four hours of sleep a day.

Actually, it’s a problem for all of us. Nearly 40 percent of all US workers are fatigued, costing billions of dollars in lost productivity. For U.S. employers, the overall cost for lost productivity due to fatigue is more than $136 billion per year, with 84% of that lost productivity not due to absenteeism, but simply reduced performance while at work. Employers squeezing more work out of their employees, and employees willing to work harder, for longer, and for less, have resulted in 70 million U.S. workers being clinically exhausted. The estimated cost of accidents where workers could not remain alert or awake ranged from $50 billion to over $100 billion annually. For some, the cost is more than money - in one incident, a worker fell asleep in a crane cab while working the third of three consecutive 13 hour shifts. When he woke up, he exited from the wrong side of the cab and fell 35 feet to his death.

You’d think that business might understand that overly tired employees are hurting their bottom line. But times are tough, jobs are scarce, and big business is not in the business of seeing human beings as anything more than interchangeable cogs in a machine to be used and discarded at will. Worker protections hard-won by unions – minimum wages, maximum hours, health and safety on the job – have been systematically dismantled, from Reagan breaking the spirit of air traffic controllers in the 1970s to WalMart breaking the backs of workers not allowed to unionize today. So while I have the greatest sympathy for the growing number of those with no jobs, it’s possibly more critical that we recognize there’s a lethal cancer invading the vast majority of those who do have jobs, as the top 1% of the Have Mores wring more and more blood out of those Americans who actually make things and make things work. And that’s not just making us tired.

It’s making us dead tired.



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Read Sleep Thieves, by Stanley Coren.

This is NOT a new phenomenon, not by a long shot. It's been going on for decades. One of Coren's points is that it actually started with Thomas Edison, who claimed that sleep was not necessary and that he himself only slept a couple of hours a night. (A claim that turned out to be more than a little dishonest, as he bolstered that sleep with several naps during the day, adding up to the usual amount any adult gets.) He also talks about the famous disasters that have been attributable to sleep deprivation, including Chernobyl and several earlier airline disasters.

Modern culture has been addicted to the notion that sleep in a waste of time when in fact it's one of the most necessary of human functions, right behind breathing, eating, and drinking. It's impossible to live without sleep; it's certainly impossible to function well without the requisite amount. Which, incidentally, is a lot more than we get in this hyped-up, always-on, 24-hour madness we call life.

GET SOME SLEEP. No, better than that, GET MORE SLEEP. You'll feel better, and you'll be less likely to endanger other people's lives.

First comes the hallucinations and then comes the organ failure. Who needs sleep?

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See, this is one of the advantage of being a poor nobody. I get all the sleep I need.

tired me out.

Why are you assuming this is a question of sleep? Sleep deprivation is probability a reality for many, especially on small carriers but it's not an excuse for texting and driving, excuse me flying and computing. Lets not provide excuses until the evidence warrants it.

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It's just speculation - but a good premise for the rest of this well written article.

I've added it to Mouse Musing - The NTSB issued an update on Flight 188 that overflew the Minneapolis airport. The pilots denied they had fallen asleep - they were too busy on their laptops trying to figure out the new crew flight scheduling system to pay attention to where they were, something that is also severely frowned upon by FAA and company policy.

They didn't feel they had the time on the ground, so they squeezed it into their flight time. Their bosses are as much at fault as they are, perhaps more.

what stood out for me was the overwhelming number of fellow airline pilots speculating (as people tend to do, rightly or wrongly) they'd fallen asleep. That tells me there's a definite problem within the industry as a whole.

That these two were struggling to figure out a flight schedule for well over an hour on their laptops tells me company policy has become so complicated pilots are having a hard time figuring it out. These are guys (and gals) who are flying multi-million dollar machines with a whole lot of highly complex bells and whistles and blinking light thingies and having to work out weight ratios and fuel mileages and whatall else. If THEY are having that much trouble just figuring out when they're supposed to show up for work... then there's a definite problem within the industry as a whole.

Kills.
It also makes you go kinda nuts.
Punch drunk if you will.
Me, I luvs my sleep. Without it, I'm no good.

which was also an industry where sleep deprivation is rife. Knew I had to stop pushing quite so hard when one night, on a very long, dark, empty stretch of road, I saw this gigantic green hand reach down from the sky and gently pat the centre line. Locked that baby up and damned near jack-knifed us, scared the shit out of me, as well as my partner who was in the sleeper in the back. Hallucinations are another by-product - basically, you're dreaming with your eyes open. Not safe.

But I can believe it.
After I got out of the Army. I got this job at night as a graveyard shift cook. I was going to school during the day, and in between I was working as a security guard.
3 full time shifts. I lasted 6 weeks before I collapsed.
I never could make that woman happy. Good thing it didn't work out.

Until I'd experienced it (following about six days awake on speed), I never really understood the phrase. Once it happens, you'll never forget it; you need to go down really soon!

5-6 days awake on speed, in high school. That was when I quit. Yeesh. I never felt so awful.

Worst was driving up and down PCH in Oceanside (CA) at about 4AM looking for a hooker. Every mailbox and newspaper rack morphed into one. Scary shit, the power of persuasion, or self-deception.

It takes a few days for me to hallucinate, but I always know I'm doing it. Most people don't have that going for them. They just don't have much of a grip on reality.

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A grip on reality has nothing to do with it. The hallucinations are caused by your brain going bugfuck and its chemical balance getting thrown off.

Hallucinations are no more real than dreams. Are you telling me you don't know the difference between dreaming and being awake?

OSHA? Is that it? Seems like I recall a current Supreme Court Justice headed it a long time ago... and helped wreck it. I had a friend who worked there in the 80's; she finally quit because it was so awful.

even slaves need sleep.

But we're talking about sleep deprivation and employers driving their employees.
Yes, it does in fact reduce productivity.
No matter what occupation. But if the job requires peoples safety, and the employee is being pushed past a reasonable limit.
Then we need new laws to regulate these people.
Hell, truck drivers have to keep a log of when they are and when they aren't on the road. If they've been driving to long, they get fined. And are forced to get rest. And the airlines just keep sending these people out. No regard for the passengers well being. Just the money.

Labor laws are largely in the hands of states.

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I am sure the pharma industry will come up with a new shiny pill. So that you can work harder and lose more sleep, so that you can afford the pill that allows you to deal with your loss of sleep.

I for one think the Spaniards got it right: close shop for a couple of hours, go home, spend some time with your family, sleep a nice nap, and get back to work.

We need to stop pretending we are not humans.

has been feeding pilots bennies for a long time. It's been a facot in more than one "friendly fire" fatality. Better dying through chemistry.

crank, shooting at anything that moved... One of the main reasons why the British were so eager to get the f*ck out of Iraq was that the Tommies were suffering more loses to American fire than to insurgents.

I love indulging in an afternoon nap. It's very refreshing and it's good for you.

Spain has definitely got it right!

My family's from Spain, and my sister lives there now. According to her, the siesta is now seen more as a pain in the ass than anything else. That's because, just as in America, most people no longer work near enough to home to make a nap feasible. Instead, they just get a two-hour break in the middle of the day that they can't do anything with. There's nowhere to go sleep, and it stretches the work day out to where people don't usually get dinner until nearly 10:00 at night. Which is fine if you've gotten some sleep during the day, but as it is they end up sleep-deprived just like we do.

So much for the convenience of the modern world.

... it depends where you live. And even without the siesta, the break is most welcome. Try to convince a Spaniard to eat fast, it can't be done.

We just break it up into several parts.

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Yeah, because you live there, so you'd know.

Thanks, but I'll take the word of people who actually know what they're talking about.

I have a place in Zaragoza. I spend about half my time there. My family lives in Zaragoza and in Tarragona. So I do know. Perhaps you should visit some time, instead of just repeating what you hear from your sister.

Start calling 35 hours "full time." Businesses will stop allowing the overtime pay and just hire a spare hand.

Most employees work overtime, at time-and-a-half wages, because they're underpaid and overextended. Employees in positions which demand precision should be paid wages which reflect the responsibility, and hiring should be done to prevent errors.

Lesser-skill employees who don't get overtime, usually are lusting and longing for it, because it pays better wages than working 2 or 3 jobs.

Do not work 3 jobs, unless all are part-time. Viruses and bacteria love those who do, and hospital and doctor bills will eat up the profits, as I discovered too late to correct the mistake.

to see if those pilots were tweeting while flying? They may have just been getting the latest updates from Mylie Cyrus.

the speculations about what exactly they were up to has run riot over the industry chatrooms, a few a bit more, er, wildly salacious than others. But people tend to speculate before the facts are all in, it's a normal human impulse. Just interesting that by far the one theory that was jumped on almost immediately and talked about the most was that they'd fallen asleep. Which is telling, in and of itself, regardless of what actually happened on the flight deck.

Did they do a blood test for drugs and/or alcohol? Many pilots drink while on duty.

...are what we have to thank for many of these situations.

Airlines have been beating down their unions for years. The ridiculous pilot wages alluded to above are common among "regional affiliate" airlines operated by the majors. It's a way for them to reduce their costs, which they have had to do since airfares were deregulated under Jimmy Carter.

Then came Ronald Reagan, whose first defining moment of his presidency was destroying the air controllers' union, leading directly to the fatigue-induced working conditions described above.

Truckers? Truck hauling fees were deregulated after independent truckers cried incessantly that they weren't being allowed to compete with (i.e., undercut) unionized drivers. (It didn't help that the union was the Teamsters, and its president at the time was the thuggish Frank Fitzsimmons.) An entirely predictable race to the bottom ensued, with fees squeezed more and more, leading to lower wages and more incentive to ignore driver-rest regulations.

It's been the same story for centuries. If you just let businesses do whatever they want, they invariably end up abusing their employees. I hope the tide has finally turned, and that enough people in this country realize that sometimes, government has to step in and say to business, "You can't do that."

Oh, and nonny mouse: Outstanding post.

thank you.

I'm wondering a few things:

1 - do planes fly outside of their schedules unnoticed?

2 - with all the computer power onboard a plane are there no timers or alarms to remind the pilots of such things?

3 - where is NORAD or the military in all of this?

1 - someone notices, usually the ATC trying to get these guys to answer their radio.

2 - depends on the plane.

3 - there was some talk about NORAD sending fighter jets, but these guys managed to look up from the laptop screen and out the window to realize they'd screwed up big time before that happened.

I'm on the last day of a 168 hour continuous duty cycle. It's 7 past midnight, haven't slept for over 24 hours. Have a cot in my office to use when I can't keep my eyes open any longer. A 20 minute nap here, another one there. Average 2 hours sleep a day. Right now we are firing up a generation unit to bring it on-line and make about 260 megawatts for the grid. I'm playing a precarious balancing act to control the chemistry of the unit so that it doesn't self-destruct (half-billion dollars down the drain). I've made them hundreds upon hundreds of millions of dollars, no exageration. If you screw up in this business, people die, are maimed and you incur severe capital losses. When I go off of on-call duty at 7AM, I revert to 10 hour days until the weekend. It's been decades since I've had a normal night's sleep.

We are short staffed. In a regulated environment, there would be ~ 400 people to keep the place running. We do it with 55. Right now, there are 7 of us here.

I get 20 days vacation a year. Last year I got to take 1 day. So far this year, none. If we get sick and miss a day, we get written up for abuse of sick leave, even when hospitalized. No shit.

I get straight time overtime pay, but only after giving up 45 hours. Weekly time sheets have run as high as 116 hours. For over a year, we have been on a pay freeze...to last into the indefinite future. Meanwhile, they are getting ready to ~hextuple our health insurance costs, while substantially reducing coverage.

This facility clears >20 million in profits in the average year, with revenues of ~ 125 million/year. Apparently, that's not good enough for one of the owners, a company that is a household name.

Just a chatel. That's all, working for a corporation that, despite all it's self-serving rhetoric to the otherwise, demonstrates in more ways that can be counted that it doesn't care whether it's employees live or die. The squeeze will continue without end.

I think this picture is one of the reasons corporate America is so dead set against a single-payer system, even one in which there is zero employer contribution to pay for it. By remaining the sole, or principal, bestowers of healthcare access through the grant of employee benefits, they make sure that healthcare remains rationed in this country. With a population of 50-million-or-so unfortunates who have no access, because they don't have employer sponsored health insurance, they maintain a ready supply of walking "examples" of what can happen to you if you step out of line and lose your job. Makes for a nice tool of control to keep employees meek and obedient, more willing to put up with the above described work conditions. If healthcare were a birthright of citizenship, it would be magnitudes more difficult to keep employees working in jobs they hate for employers they despise.

This state of affairs can't have a good ending. Back to work....

Sounds like Paul's specialization has a shortage of skilled workers. Pay attention, parents with high-school age children, and unemployed college grads.

the german govt once rejected an american company's NAVCOM product for its airliners because they realized the navcoms could be remotely controlled!

so, what if these guys were being guided without their knowledge to somewhere else, and something went wrong? they got lucky.

with each other or another flight attendant? Even if they were using laptops, it doesn't explain how they would not hear the control tower contacting them on the communication system.

I was talking about. Let's leave that one off that table, kay?

I'm not a licenced pilot, most I've done is learn how to fly and land my dad's Cesna after he had his by-pass and wanted to be sure that if any of his kids went up with him, they could get down in one piece should his heart decide on an inconvenient moment to fritz out again. So I grew up around planes and pilots and love flying and know just enough to make me probably quite dangerous in a plane.

But I'm also writer, and I know how to do research. And who to ask questions. They didn't have their headphones on (it's not required over a certain level, and most pilots would hate having to wear them for hours on end), they didn't see any warning signals, depending on what they had in the plane. For the most part, they'd have been glancing once in awhile at the radar, at air speed indicator, at the altimeter, and - most importantly - at the little white airplane symbol following a little white line and all the little white dots that show up along the way. Just like a driver in a car is watching his mirrors, glancing at the spedometer, checking how much gas he's got left in the tank, all the things you do so automatically you don't think about it.

But they got caught up in something that they shouldn't have been doing, didn't notice the sign that said 'Minneapolis, next right' and missed the turn off. That's all, and that's enough - when you're flying a plane with 147 people in the back seat. There's no excuse for them getting really, really sloppy on the job, and they'll probably pay for it with their careers.

But don't make this about anything nasty. It's not necessary, and it's not helpful. Whether they were asleep or trying to figure out the new scheduling rules, the pressure of their job went past their ability to fly a plane to the standards we - as passengers who put our lives quite literally in their hands - should expect.

blame the person never look at the system

that is the mentality of most people

americans wanted capitalism

now they have it

aint it great

wages on a downward spiral

borrowing to the extreme

corp fascism everywhere

reagan economics

the decline of america that the politicans and bankers and wall street tell you is a recession

and most believe them

)O(

I'd be interested in the Man on the Street thinks of today's economy

But only if he'd set down his bottle of cheap gin, and stop peeing on himself as he sleeps in alleyways.

Employers are forcing our hands with two things--automation and cheap foreign English-speaking labor.

We should all be reminding our employers, every day, that those jobs they exported have brought in no sales to their declining businesses, and that machines don't purchase goods and services, except for parts and service. These are called expenses, not profits. Every time I have to talk with an ill-equipped foreign phone tech, I remind the boss that I am not applying for Spanish-speaking tech support positions, even though I have enough business Spanish for his business and my former work.

This can be done, carefully, without sounding like a smartass (though that's difficult for some of us!)

aint pure capitalism great?

reagan disarmed the unions with free markets

corp fasicism has come to america

by the time americans figure that out

it will be too late

we will have two classes of citizens

haves and mostly have nots

welcome to the new america

third world status right around the corner

it cant happen here you say

that is what england and rome thought and others

)O(

They were on the their laptops

Presumably online

With C&L

Saying we should stop kvetching and pull ourselves up

By our own thong straps.

NWA had just merged with Delta, the two pilots were comparing the merged pilot seniority list and flight schedules, hours and pay rates depend on hours flown etc.

Is that people who I have worked with, people who have two or more jobs. They tend to wander around and stop and socialize a lot at their main 40 hour job, a way of resting without sleeping.

What I noticed while I was doing the multi-job gig, is that we also tend to overeat to stimulate energy levels or alertness, that drinking alcohol can escalate into alcoholism, and that we sooner or later faced the job-killer choice of irritability or solitude.

L love sleeping. I also love staying up late, even on worknights. And I love getting up very early in the morning, the best part of the day!

Creates a problem for adequate sleep.

IMO, these pilots probably fell asleep.
Thirty years ago, I was transitioning to a new job. Fatigued from several 7-day work weeks to finish up the old job and full days on the new one, I set off on a 140-mile drive to my parents' home at night. Along the way, I fell asleep on a two-lane road, drove over a well-lit freeway overpass with the requisite red,white and blue I-35 signs and woke up just before a right turn. Somehow I managed to stay on the road, tires squealing in the process. Since that time, I make sure I am adequately rested before I drive.

that the pilots will be paying a big price for what the industry itself should be paying forward.
There may not be a sobriety test for sleep deprivation yet the one-number-for-all layover hours still made it into the FAR's.

Plus, I've noticed other things on the street:
1. Processed food digestion/weight problems.
2. Fast food health problems.
3. Excessive salt/sugar applied to so many foods that I'm wondering if organ failure is far behind.
4. So many bus riders talk about diabetes that I've sworn off even the innocent looking stuff (that is not so innocent).

How many here have eaten at airports on & off for several years? Notice any endocrine decline?

The kinds of behaviour that I experience from the public in mid-morning compared to afternoon is astonishing.
At almost precisely 10am every morning the numbers of aggressive maneuvers on the road sharply increase until after 1pm. 5 o'clock rush is another wave of them until darkness.

I'm gonna take a shot that what is perceived as sleep deprivation with these pilots may be only the tipping point of a larger glacial decline in mankind's ability to nourish, care and decide for itself.
The pilots may have been victims of their own success (everything moving and seldom halted) whether first pointing out the poison that greeted there gastric systems or the scheduling tightness that only brought out the problem at the wrong time.
If I could wave a wand and ask Marvin, Rebecca and JJ what they would have done otherwise on the approach into Buffalo with ice buildup, they might answer:
Stay in bed.

i'm not sleep deprived
i still have some more provigil.

The poor suffering executives only ask that you work long hours too because they work such long days. Why it can be 12-14 hours from the time they've had a morning workout at an exclusive gym, followed by breakfast with a client, then a few hours in the office before lunch with colleagues, all wrapped up by a brief final office visit preceding golf, drinks & dinner with prospective business partners. Do you know what a hassle it is for Mr/Ms Executive, after such a long workday, to then have to take a 10 pm call from the outsourced office in India to get an update on the wage slaves' work?

First a little disclaimer: i work as aircraft mechanic/flighter (hence my nick) in a police dept. of a small european country (doing line and base maintenance and fly as crewmember/backseater in different roles).

From safety standpoint US internal air traffic is a horrible mess. Due to deregulation and non inspection companies can gat away with enything. Remember this one?
http://crooksandliars.com/2008/04/08/whistleb...

A huge no-no in the bussines! What is sad is that story only became public when inspectors were screwed for doing their work and IMHO the story misses the main point of willfully compromising safety for profit. In this bussines rules are literally and i really do mean literally written with blood of mostly innocent passangers.

Europe went a bit different way as regulation was massively tightened (against objections from our bestes of buddies in FAA) in last 10 years mostly due to some accidents and appearance of low cost carriers which were playing the rules. Let's just say that most US regionals and even some of US big carriers would not be allowed to fly in Europe (we do have a black list) due to safety reasons. In the 90's Russian aviation (especcialy their regionals) were a standing joke in the bussines but even there the conditions were not as bad as in US now.

Pilot fatigue is an old problem that is already regulated. As per rules a flight crewmember should not fly more than 6 hours in 24 hour period and if he/she does he/she should have 24 hour rest period. If this rules are not followed it is companies fault not the pilots. Regarding the problem of long haul commuting this is directly connected to sallary issue.

Another problem are lousy sallaries of the US flight crews especcialy in regionals. This can be directly blamed on deregulation and greed of the CEO's.

BTW i would strongly suggest to interested readers to read NTSB's accident report of Alaska Airlines flight 261 especcialy chapter 1.173.3. FAA air transportation oversight system (page 93):
http://www.ntsb.gov/publictn/2002/AAR0201.pdf

speaks truth from beyond the pond.

I see a recurring theme about where ultimate responsibility of maintenance should lie however and it never seems to be governments fault even when whistleblowers are told to shut the fu up.
If no one can watch the store from within an airline and no one is willing to press an airline for safety from gov't why should I believe that an airline should be ultimately responsible?

The poor salary defense is wearing thin. When a cut-rate u.s. airline runs specials that knock the competition and the competitor does the same, the cost of doing business it would seem, becomes a common denominator not an individual decision. Union wages and bennies, fuel contracts, staffing and capitol is pretty much the same, no? Even if an airline owns its fleet, doesn't required maintenance frequency increase due to aircraft age?
Ultimately my point is that the flying public demands low staff and crew wages when the public only books flights from the lowest price column from an online service. Then, when birdsht hits the fan, we're supposed to believe that no one knew before then.
WTF

particularly in this economy, I'm afraid. If the price of airfare is too high, people who have had to tighten their belts to the point of anorexia won't fly at all. They can't afford to. So airlines drop prices to get people to fly, and make up the profit by gouging where they can, and where there's little chance of rebellion - pilots and groundcrew. I know I've learned to do without a whole lot of things I could once just buy without even thinking about it; no longer. I don't fly as much as I used to, either - same reason.

The flying public would LOVE to pay a fair price so that they'd know their pilot isn't moonlighting nights as a waitress or sleeping on crew lounge sofas - but they aren't being paid a fair price in their jobs, either. That's part of the point of this whole post - it ain't just pilots, sweetie. The middle class, who make up the bulk of paying customers in any industry, is shrinking down to extinction.

So blaming the public is playing into the hands of big business, who really would prefer you don't look any deeper than that. Like blaming poor people for mortgages they couldn't ultimately pay for as the root cause of the banking implosion, rather than the rapacious and immoral practices of banks and other financial institutions, who after bailouts provided by us - the public - are handing out bonuses to themselves.

You've got the wrong scapegoat here...

commercial aviation competition supply was not meant to blame the public.

The pressures exerted on groundcrew is yet another, and frightening, section of the airline industry, know quite a few who get annoyed with certain pilots who mistreat 'their' planes as well.

And it's true, the differences in pay, conditions, pensions, security, promotions between regional and majors is startlingly bad - directly attributable to deregulation and company greed. But it sure isn't helped much by the airlines' attitude of 'divide and conquer', with fostering an environment of rivalry that too often gets rather nasty between regional pilots and those flying for the majors, when they should be trying to present a united front for the benefit of them all.

Nor is it helped by an attitude I see all too often on the airline forums where I regularly lurk - the best source of information when you want to know what's really going on rather than trust the crapola you see on Fox - where some pilots are erroneously convinced the general public is not to be counted amongst their supporters; I don't know if this is a psychological disconnect that objectifies people into 'pax' - much like a surgeon can't allow himself to think about the living, breathing person who inhabits the body he's slicing open, something I do understand as a former surgical nurse - and makes it possible for pilots to cope with the idea of hundreds of lives being in their hands, day after day. But once they walk out of the flight deck, they stop being pilots - and we stop being 'pax'; we ALL have something at stake in an industry - like far too many other American industries - whose main concern is money, not people. Left seat, right seat, back seat, doesn't matter which seat we're sitting in.

Thanks for sharing, GM, much appreciated.

CEO greed is a pernicious problem, and one which I do not see the market as a regulating force over.

I can't get out of my mind what a friend who works for one of the US major airlines once told me. The airline's CEO was on a conference call with flight attendants, when a flight attendant expressed concern over recent pay cuts and said that the cut made it harder for her to pay the mortgage on her home. The CEO responded that flight attendants should not make enough to own a home.

And conservatives want to argue that liberal legislators are all about "social engineering". The social engineering has already happened and continues quite healthily through our jobs.

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