Ed Schultz to Robert Gibbs: You're Losing Your Base, Americans Want Single Payer
From Think Progress, Ed Schultz tries to tell White House press secretary Robert Gibbs what he apparently doesn't want to hear:
Last night, MSNBC’s Ed Schultz spoke at Minnesota progressive talk radio AM950’s Blue State Bash at the Minneapolis Convention Center. During his remarks, Schultz revealed that he recently had a testy confrontation with White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs (Gibbs appeared on Schultz’s show this past Thursday). “Mr. Gibbs and I had quite a conversation off the air the other night,” he revealed:
SCHULTZ: I told him he was full of sh*t is what I told him. … And then he gave me the Dick Cheney f-bomb. … I told Robert Gibbs, I said “And I’m sorry you’re swearing at me, but I’m just trying to help you out. I’m telling you you’re losing your base. Do you understand you’re losing your base?”
Some stuff you can't make up!
Try that around here on any given thread.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
Gibbs to Ed.."We don't need no stinkin' single payer. We don't need no populism. We don't need no labor...no minorities...no unions...no progressives. We're got the blue dogs and our corporatecrats. We're good. The state of our Presidency is strong!"
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
We never knew that Obama had sold us out to the Insurance Crooks, in a sweetheart deal, before he even took office.
Then we find out, and we're all like WTF???
We want single-payer, and won't settle for table scraps that just feed the Insurance Crooks anyway -- by giving them 40 million new forced customers through some phoney-baloney unconstitutional "mandate" to make us all buy health insurance.
I don't know if single-payer is the answer, but it's looking more like a 'go for it all' strategy would have worked better than the milquetoast approach Obama opted for.
When you compare the world's health care systems, there is no 'perfect' model, but to get ours moving in the right direction is going to take bold leadership, not the mamby-pamby approach we've gotten from this president.
You may want single payer, but we don't have the votes to get it passed. If you and Schultz want to help get something that is realistic, great, but I have a 28 yr. son who was born with one lung and has scoliosis and who can't get insurance. You have principle. My son has a real life problem. Get real.
What I'm saying is that a strong, forceful approach up-front may have helped pull the middle toward single-payer, and then with the typical (and predictable) Washington haggling, we would have ended up with a better compromise. At least I would hope so.
With the emphasis on compromise from the start, the strategy has left us with a plan that could conceivably be worse than where we started (depending on how this shakes out).
But single-payer? I'm personally not sold on it to be honest. Most countries that have tried it have mixed in some free market principles to deal with wait times and quality assurance (e.g., Britain, Singapore). See the documentary Sick Around the World
Any decent attorney who goes into a negotiation ALWAYS starts with "the sky's the limit".
Obama should have asked for "Medicare for All" at the very beginning and then the Congress could have hammered away at it from there.
Odds are we would have at least ended up where those of us who choose NOT to EVER DEAL with a rotten corporation could have had the OPTION to choose a "non-profit" government run Medicare buy-in.
Take the Conan O'Brien/Leno dispute.
It's only because O'Brien's lawyer came into the negotiations with, "We want a $100 million settlement."
NBC laughed and said, "$20 million".
O'Brien's lawyer countered with, "50 million".
They settled at $40 million. But after all was said and done, over lunch I'll bet the classic joke at the table between Conan and his lawyer was, "We would have taken 30." Ha, ha!!!
Had Obama taken the lead ("leadership") and had not only "allowed" Single Payer to be discussed, but SOLD IT AS THE BEST SOLUTION TO THE PROBLEM, I think even the horrible candidate Coakley would have won in Massachusetts if Obama was counting on her to cast a vote for Single Payer or even Single Payer lite. (Which believe me, would be a far better system than Massachusetts has now!)
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
That's exactly what I'm saying, but I'm afraid Obama went the compromise-early route because he didn't want to look like a failure. In the process, he may have sold our souls to
Pat Robertsonthe devil.strategy, and why they are still employed by the White House. Which has led me to the conclusion it must have been Obama himself.
. . . at a prominent blue-chip firm, and you're exactly right. Anyone who has ever spent any time litigating will tell you that the best negotiators are those who are perceived as willing to let a deal fail unless you move towards their position. In this case, the Obama administration made every move, while Republicans and so-called conservative Democrats conceded nothing. I was stunned by the lack of foresight, the lack of strategy exercised by Obama's team. Haven't these guys ever been in a fist fight? You don't negotiate with the other guy sitting on your chest.
I find it funny -- all of a sudden, Obama gives a speech in Ohio about fighting for the working class, and Gibbs wants to drop the f bomb, as if they're tough and ready to rumble. You're a year late guys. . . .
.. the evidence is that he made a deal with medical industry lobbyists many months ago assuring them that there would be no government-run plan, ie, no public option and no expanded Medicare, in exchange for their political support/campaign cash.
See http://www.huffingtonpost.com/miles-mogulescu...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/miles-mogulescu...
The conservative Baucus bill was Obama's bill, and Obama himself said the Senate plan had "95%" of what he wanted.
fails, Mr. Smart litigator? The case goes to court.
What happens when a bill fails in Congress? Does it go to court?
When the President proposes a bill, and the
Republican actually do want the deal to fail, how is the President supposed to approach the issue, by putting a gun to his head like the Sheriff in Blazing Saddles and
threaten to blow his own head off?
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
You got it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHvazndll8M
And blame them for the failure. When you have WHAT IS RIGHT AND GOOD on your side, and someone screws yo out of it, you make sure that they pay for their errors.
It's called the American Dream because you have to be asleep to believe it.
-George Carlin
You want to defeat the enemy? Then be willing to punish them publicly when they cross you.
Another example: Underwear bomber. The Republicans in Congress have held up the TSA Director confirmation. Instead of letting himself be attacked for being "weak on terrorism", he should have attacked the GOP and blamed them for playing politics with our security. It was a golden opportunity to hit back against the daily, withering barrage he's getting.
Maybe his team is good at winning elections. I don't know about the rest.
The whole religious complexion of the modern world is due to the absence from Jerusalem of a Lunatic Asylum. -Havelock Ellis
Sadly, he didn't and we're fucked...
No. That's where he should have ended. At the beginning, he should have DEMANDED (not 'asked for') Medicare and a pony for all, and let the Thugs take the pony.
That would have given little girls all over the country a reason to never love a Thug.
me-oww!
Obama blew this one from the start. I like your medicare and a pony line. Nice.
It's called the American Dream because you have to be asleep to believe it.
-George Carlin
But if the most recent scuttlebutt is true, your son won't be insurable under this bill. They're talking about scrapping the requirement that forces insurers to ignore pre-existing conditions.
but if the administration was ever serious about not selling us to the inurance industry, they would have spoken with the different Health Ministers from countries that have a form of socialized medicine and at least tried to have determined what form would have worked best for America.
This has been an industry sell out from the beginning.
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Obama could have listened to his personal physician he had prior to winning the POTUS. But noooooooooooo...
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Starve the WAR Beast...
... Feed Americans.
could you?
You are absolutely correct.
Here's a great speech by T.R. Reid at the Commonweath Club last September. His book is titled, "The Healing of America: A Global Quest for Better, Cheaper, and Fairer Health Care":
http://fora.tv/2009/09/14/TR_Reid_The_Healing...
Academics have a term for the approach you (and T.R. Reid) suggest. It's called, "comparative policy analysis".
In 1953 Eisenhower realized something had to be done about America's highway system. He recalled, as Supreme Allied Commander during World War II in the spring of 1945, that his forward commanders reported an amazing discovery: a broad ribbon of highway, the best road system anybody had ever seen, stretching straight through the heart of Germany...the infamous "autobahn".
Eisenhower set about to build those highways using a gasoline tax to fund them.
Now we have one of the finest highway systems in the world...and nobody seems to care that the basic idea was copied from the Nazis.
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
If Obama was serious about not selling us out he would have talked to socialist governments from abroad to have determined what would work best here and;
Eisenhower saw from his experience in a war that Germany had a fine highway system built for war and led the U.S. should copy it, and this means copying a health care system from abroad would work.
Are either of you overlooking something?
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
The flaw I see in your reasoning is that nobody said 'copy a health care system', but rather look at what works in other countries and determine which systems (or parts of systems) would work here.
I do not believe that all countries with national health care available have socialist governments.
I pledge allegiance to the Constitution of the United States of America, and to the republic which it established, one nation from many peoples, promising liberty and justice for all
but according to his campaign rhetoric he wanted to drastically overhaul the U.S. healtchare system. He had the goodwill of basically all the nations on earth, including those dastardly socialist ones. It makes total sense (and I'll let Abbywood use the big words) if your trying to achieve something along the same lines you would speak to someone (even if they're foriegners) who had experience in running said systems to find out what their respective strengths and weakenesses were.
A simple phone call and he'd have had them at his beck and call, but the only call he made was to the insurance industry.
as he provides detailed descriptions of the health care systems in quite a few countries, which comprise all manner of options and payment plans - private, public and combos. He actually lived in several of the countries for many years, and he and his family were directly involved with their health care systems.
Most of us think we know how other systems operate, what kind of results they get, how the citizens feel about them, which aspects would translate well for an American system, etc. For those who've not experienced any of them firsthand - this is a good book with good info.
"Egotism is the anesthetic that dulls the pain of Stupidity" - Frank Leahy
Even better... Eisenhower pitched the highway system by saying it was project that served a national security and military purpose. It was hard to say no to even though in the end it was more about creating a great common infrastructure.
I often wonder what would have happened if Obama's team named the health care bill the "Unorganized Militia health and readiness act" which would be described as a program to "keep all people of military age and their support systems at a state of health and readiness in case they are called on to serve their country." Military age would be men and women from 17 to 45 their support systems would be any family members from 46 to 64. War readiness talk might make some people nervous. . but suddenly, EVERYONE is covered by health care either in the name of military spending or by SCHIP and Medicare.
How could conservatives and tea baggers say no?? It's for the military! There's no such thing as Marxism in military spending! LOL
Died last week. Health insurance could have saved her. Because of a pre-existing condition and lack of employment that wasn't possible.
So to all the Cignas, Humanas, and Blue Cross's out there. Thanks. Good job. I hope it was worth all the money.
Oh and Obama: You're welcome for the vote.
The whole religious complexion of the modern world is due to the absence from Jerusalem of a Lunatic Asylum. -Havelock Ellis
...medical condition, but I hope he makes a lot of money, because for what the insurance crooks are going to charge him, he'll need it.
..how is the current bill going to help you and your son with his health problems? Will it be better than what you have or don't have now? I don't need specifics or want to be intrusive but I'm curious.
Obama should've abandoned his desire for bi-partisanship five seconds after the first hint of obstructionism from the right. They had nor have any desire to work with the democrats in the House and Senate or the democratic President. Had the President been the leader on this, his signature issue, and really made the case for Single Payer or even the Public Option, we may have gotten a bill that would have gone a long way to help Americans.
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
There is NOTHING I want more than health care for those like your son. Myself, we make a good libving and can somewhat afford what those health insurance gangsters ransom out of use very month.
But, and this is a very big but, NONE of the likely bills will help your son. The last few statements out of the WH were that they'd support banning pre-exisitng conditions for those under 19. So in one statement they sold out three quarters of the people. And even IF they'd still go with a ban for all, there is no, repeaat no limit on what the policies can cost.
Sure your son can have insurance. Where's your 3 grand for this month's premium.
Off the table??!!
For God's sake, Ed! The fish stinks from the head.
At ABC's "Prescription for America" where Obama was going to do a little Q&A with the audience The White House made SURE that Obama's own personal physician of twenty years was DISINVITED TWO DAYS PRIOR TO THE EVENT because he was going to mention "Single Payer" as an option!!!
Now we couldn't have any of THAT now could we??
There's only ONE PERSON to be blamed for shutting out any discussion of the BEST HEALTHCARE SYSTEM THAT IS THE MOST FISCALLY CONSERVATIVE AND THAT WOULD COVER EVERYONE and that is President Barack Obama himself!
I call B.S. on Ed Schultz.
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
other things as well?
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
so I'm just calling B.S. on the clip posted.
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
Guess he did not make a good first impression. I found his whole speech rather strange. He would have been fun for a
Republican "macaca" to trail around Dakota with a camera.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
... display where progressive bloggers respond to Obama's SOTU.
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he might not have gotten the f-bomb. He is correct though, hopefully Gibbs will get the message.
Goodnight, Frau Blücher
...how much they swear at each other off camera. What bothers me is that Gibbs and Obama's staff doesn't want to hear the truth.
It's obvious that Schultz wants to portray himself as for the people, but when it comes down to it, he's more interested in selling himself and his show than he is in taking a stand. When asked to run for Dorgan's seat, he bluntly made clear that he preferred the money.
As to what Schultz is saying, he has the Rush Limbaugh strain of self-promotion. He has all the answers and nobody else -- unless they agree with him -- know anything.
He keeps talking about single-payer, public option and "keeping the base." What a load! He is a distraction and only seems interested in mucking things up.
but at least MSNBC didn't saddle us with a Tweety knockoff.
You mean like somebody who got a TV show, promoted himself for a Senate seat where he no longer lived, then backed down?
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
is better than Ed do you? I find it hard to watch Ed because of his abrasive style, but he's not a conservative ass kisser who doesn't let anyone on the left speak.
speak" without interruption as much as anyone on cable. The only two I have seen who don't are Olbermann, who doesn't have guests on with whom he disagrees, and Maddow.
Maddow often succeeds because she does let her guests speak.
In her case the technique is called "Giving them enough rope..."
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
determined long ago they were all full of shit. I do like Maddow the best however (I used to listen to her all the time). Keith I see once in a while, Schultz once ever other week and Tweety (because he's such an ahole) about once a month. He never fails to dissapoint in that he's always dissapointing.
Maddow does it the least. She appears to be so far superior intellectually to the others it is frightening in that she reveals just how vapid the other are.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
Radio is all about being bombastic and getting into verbal fist fights with your competition, especially your ratings competition. Anyone remember those legendary showdowns between Howard Stern and Imus? Those kind of rivalries and behaviors are everywhere in radio. It comes with the territory... Rachel is a major exception and Kieth doesn't do radio.
...Obama is doing a great job because "he's only been in office for a (fill in the time period here)".
He isn't running because he lives in MN and isn't eligible. Even if he is a self promoter, his message is true and he speaks for a hell of a lot more people than limbaugh. He speaks for millions who don't even know who he is.
Thom Hartman.....
Cue the Kabuki....
What's up with MSNBC's business model anyway? Olberman, Maddow, Schultz, Tweety and Scarborough.
fights for the average American with conviction and passion, unlike the empty suits in the White House.
From MoxNewsDotCom (aka CSPANJunkie):
Wed January 20: Ed Schultz Pounds White House Press Secretary Gibbs On Massachusetts Election Results!
Thu January 21: ED SCHULTZ vs ROBERT GIBBS Round 2
Democracy is too important to be entrusted to politicians.
Rise Up!
Protest!
Or we would have single payer health coverage by now.
the administration has on t.v. will turn pretty churlish fairly soon. I didn't see the exchange, but he said F to Schultz - who does he think he is, Dick Cheney?
Schultz is right, if it looks like shi* & smells like shi*, well, it probably is.
..if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, its a f-ing duck!
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
Addressing "liberal angst about health care", White House communications director, Dan Pfeiffer, summed it up for me when he said:
When people show you who they really are, believe them.
I pledge allegiance to the Constitution of the United States of America, and to the republic which it established, one nation from many peoples, promising liberty and justice for all
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The Democratic Leadership lost my confidence YEARS ago.
You want accountability?
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL... n/s
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Starve the WAR Beast...
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Obama isn't. Dissing the base and a tanked economy are the two paths to being a one term president. Obama is taking both at the same time.
Or do you mean the rubes who supported him through two failed wars, torture, tax cuts for the wealthy, and the financial collapse?
He kept his *voting* base happy. Most of those who voted in the 2004 election did vote for him.
a couple Tax Rebates and a once in a lifetime real estate - - construction bubble.
President Barack Obama on Monday offered help for people struggling to pay bills and care for their families, appealing to a middle-class he says has been "under assault for a long time."
http://d.yimg.com/a/p/ap/20100125/capt.52d429...
Let me guess . . this means the revitalization of tanning parlors and dog groomers. And army's of guys hauling trailers with commercial lawnmowers through suburbia with their pickups.
I was struggling to think what Bush had done that deceived so many people into voting for him - and all I could come up with was crimes.
the president that he has an entire criminal investigation division at his disposal, and that a little tough leadership could get them up into action as they were following the Savings and Loan scandals of the 1980s when Republicans were in power.
Yoo and Co. (the evidence has already been presented and the entire world is "The Grand Jury"), Timothy Geithner needs to be hauled away in cuffs:
http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=9592
But we need not hold our breaths waiting for any of this to happen.
Because Obama/Holder believe it is best that we all look "forward rather than to the past", the Constitution be damned.
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
don't go to jail (at the very least), then why do we have a prison system?
And wasn't Hussien executed for the very things Bush has done?
American leaders on how they turn their vaguished
or current leaders into prisoners?
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
..you have the USA support the opposition and secret the elected President out of the country. You know, like they did to Aristede.
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
A complex financial scheme lasting several years consisting of three or more parts: Creation of an asset-class bubble (such as real estate, egregious excess and ebullience, followed by horrific losses which are transferred onto the shoulder of bubble victims while ill-gotten gains are retained by the bubble creators.
All Gibbs and the rest of them are in Washington for is to game the system then get fat corporate jobs when they have to leave.
You know they will be rewarded generously at that time for looking the other way on this recent USSC court decision.
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Who needs a populace base when CORPORATIONS have more weight.
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Starve the WAR Beast...
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. . . just like Bush. The Roman government suffered a similar situation when they lost their Republic. It didn't mater what the "philosophy" of any given Emperor was prior to his reign, once in power, they never prosecuted their successors (either in deed when the successor survived, and seldom in word, when deceased). They kept and expanded on all power associated with the office they inherited.
The healthcare plan as it now stands will never pass a court challenge because the government can't force any citizen to purchase anything from a private interest. The government can, however, levy taxes to pay for programs in the public interest. We will have a single-payer system, it will be tax-based, and it will resemble Canada's.
Schultz is correct. I was Obama's base, but I've already seen enough of his continuation of Bushco's policies — from Guantanamo to the economy — to know that he offers nothing to private America, and everything to Corporate America.
Next!
A real bad jam
Who will step up to volunteer?
All your base are belong to us.
WHAT YOU SAY ?!?!?!?!?
I like Ed Schultz. He has Gutz, which the left seriously lacks.
decided, as a middle aged man, to become a Democrat in the 21st century.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
Saying "please be nice to me, please let me win sometimes" isn't going to cut it.
is telling them how it is. Jezzus, the WH bubble under Obama has become as impenetrable as under W.
Geithner, invoked "national security" as an excuse to conceal details of the taxpayer-funded bailout of American International Group, Reuters is reporting.
Are you talking about now or about November, 2008?
@ 12:00 regarding Geithner and AIG.
Obama should dump him BEFORE he gets cuffed and joins Madoff at his posh prison digs in North Carolina. (I think it's in N.C.?)
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
note the recent HCR grumblings:
dems are considering a measure that states that "Insurers could not deny coverage to children under the age of 19 on account of pre-existing medical conditions."
read between the lines on that one: adults are not given the same 'protection' from pre-existing conditions. the health insurance profiteers must simply be delighted at this democratis proposal.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/22/health/poli...
DEAD.
Cue the Kabuki....
This is just one of the interlocked items....
you want to get adult pre-existing conditions too, then you need some kind of fiscal offset for costs. Either massive subsidies to the insurance companies or implementing a mandate for required coverage.
The "children only" approach is probably the need to contain the costs of the Bill.
and that was the fatal flaw the dems made in this debate.
its all about rights, not costs.
Rights not costs. That's about the best way I have heard it put in a long time.
Paul Ehlrich had mentioned healthcare as a basic human right, and I think he was dead on the money back when he wrote "The Population Bomb" (though some are quick to discredit him as not being right -- not a long enough timeline, I think).
Costs are also not just a governmental thing in this case. We'd be saving billions a year in overhead which at the moment goes directly to shareholders (the "parasite class") instead of providing healthcare. Single payer was the way to go before it got sold down the river.
It's good to see that healthcare is a right. Now my daughter can quit nursing since healthcare not an occupation.
i can only assume this is a joke comment... if not... yikes...
well said and thanks.
and, in regards to the cost, if we are going to talk about what america can and cannot afford why would we start and finish that discussion when it comes to access to health care? why not on the pentagon budget? or on wall st bailouts? or the the DEA budget?
i would GLADLY nix the DEA for universal health care. [understatement]
oh, 50%. But I'm just throwing a number out there.
Any government that withholds healthcare/insurance could then be tried in the Court of Human Rights.
health insurance isn't a right either.
whether either, or both, should be rights, is another matter but so far neither are codified rights, and certainly haven't been argued to be inalienable.
How do you cover pre-existing conditions without a mandate for coverage? If you don't require coverage, people will just wait until they're sick or need major medical before they get coverage. And then once they're all fixed, they go back to not being covered.
And mandates are criminal. The government does not and should not have the power to force me to buy into private insurance.
don't understand anything. Not a single thing. They are basically brain dead.
the desert back to the promised land hoping the entitlements generations will all die off during the process.
This has been the proof that Democrats will never be able to pass major legislation until they are able to command some kind of equivalency when it comes to being able to spread their message to the public...half of which is ignorant as Hell.,
When faced with the near monopoly of conservative talk radio (corporate owned and run), of the blatant partisanship of Fox News, the fear the MSM have of conservatives....and the ability of GOP politicans and hacks to get air time.....when faced with this tsunami of opposition voices and their ability to reach into every corner of this country, Democrats face an uphill battle on everything.
Which means that Democrats need to be smarter at the outset in respect to strategy and messaging,
and then have the balls to move ahead, do what they think is right, and hope the average American will
see it eventually that way. For starters, though, Democrats need to be on the same page at the very outset.
at this point is to destroy the Democratic party. He's certainly doing an excellent job.
Republicans are thugs and manage to intentional F shit up just to "prove" that government can't work. Despite being in the minority, Democrats are like a deer in headlights. They were just as ineffective when they were the minority. They did pretty much whatever Bush wanted.
They're not an opposition party. They deserve to be destroyed.
quickly put a dent in the 10% + unemployment rate how long after the destruction is complete?
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
Dont you have any faith in the lavatory attendant and the chambermaid?
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
with startling skill . . not that I'm excited about whats rising from the ashes.
..about Obama resurrecting the republican party surely rings true.
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
Let's just drop this facade.
Our "government" and their enablers are not going to understand and react to the populist movement in this country until the masses are in the streets.
I hope they continue to squeeeeze the middle class financially. It will hasten the process and we can finally make some progress toward being a civilized democracy and developed nation.
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
we saw what happened during the Vietnam Draft with the middle class.
Hell No We Won't Go
then we can become a civilized democracy and developed nation......
Just like Mexico....
Cue the Kabuki....
No, *they* have a manufacturing base...
Silly romantics. That will teach them to intermarry with the indigenous population instead of annihilate them.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
Right. It's sad that the cause to capture the public's imagination and emotion is healthcare. We took our Springer and food assistance much like the ancient Roman's bread and circuses. There hasn't been a movement like the anti-Vietnam-war movement. It's just pathetic that an astroturfed populist "movement" like teabaggers can garner the public support that the anti-Iraq-war movement or the anti-Fuck-our-rights movement should have had.
The elites have learned well from the events of the '60s on how to control events and annex ideas and energy.
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
I see no problem with Ed calling an asshole an asshole. Some people on here believe that we should be nice and respectful when we speak to/about Repubicans or some Democrats. WTF over. I know, we're supposed to be civil. Right? Since when have they showed the same concern about us? Never maybe. Screw them and you if you don't like the tough stance that's been takin'. Right now the tougher the better IMO. Some Democrats are sooooo scared of hurting someones feelings that they will continue to set back and take it. Sure, cuss Obama and anyone that comes to his defence, but don't dare curse at the Repubicans or Conservative Dems. Pathetic.
But it seems almost painfully obvious now to anyone paying attention that really,there is only one political party(oh let's call it republican)left in America and all the rest of it is simply badly executed theater designed to reassure a reasonable percentage of voters that democracy still exists.As we all know,this remaining party exists simply to serve it's corporate masters.The "right side" of the aforementioned party's role is to bristle with flag waving,border guarding,free market crowing indignation and self righteousness,of a spectacular,hypocritical,and profoundly ignorant nature.
The "left side" makes occasional "meeping sounds" that hint at something politely resembling social justice in the broadest and least threatening sense while making sure to implode in an embarrassingly ineffectual and self loathing spectacle of shame and humiliation at a moment's notice from Joe Lieberman.
Together there's no telling how far they'll sink.
"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "
-Jack Handy
I hereby nominate you for C+L Post of the Year 2010 !
Big John-nice of you to say so.
"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "
-Jack Handy
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Not to be base and vile or off-base, but doesn't "Al Qaeda" mean "The Base"?...
Seriously, I think the problem with Obama is that he is really a centrist and not a progressive at all. The "Base" is actually further to the left than he is. And he made the mistake of trying to be "bipartisan", when those GOPigs had to intention of meeting him anywhere near the middle. The party of "NO" showed their colors. Then, he should have used the majority the Dems had to push through progressive legislation.
Which brings me back to my first point: I guess you'd have to be a real progressive/liberal to do that, which he obviously isn't.
(Sigh)...
who knows the way over the ridge....
and how to get back on that road to greatness....
More like he's already lost it...
I simply don't believe the story. Too much of Ed is self-promotion. It works on the right wing, but I think liberals and progressives are MUCH smarter.
Ed has access, and loves telling everyone about it. There's no WAY he'd endanger that by such conduct to Robert Gibbs.
This is Kabuki.
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