Obama's Poll Numbers Drop by 13 Points in Ohio. Is It A Trend?
By Susie Madrak Wednesday Jul 08, 2009 11:00amIt was inevitable Obama's numbers would drop, and although Ohio is typically a bellwether state, it remains to be seen whether this is a trend. (Download complete poll here.)
The fact that the most high-profile administration efforts went to save banks instead of homeowners probably didn't help. People all over the country are barely hanging on, and it will take something like a successful health care plan - or another stimulus package - to win back their confidence:
July 7 (Bloomberg) -- A new poll found that President Barack Obama’s approval rating has dropped by 13 percentage points from two months ago in Ohio, traditionally a critical swing state in presidential elections.
The survey by Quinnipiac University released today showed 49 percent of Ohio voters approved of Obama’s job performance, down from 62 percent in a May 6 poll. The disapproval figure for Obama in the new poll was 44 percent, up from 31 percent in the May survey.
The pollsters termed Obama’s ratings “lackluster” in a release, and said the numbers were his lowest marks “in any national or statewide Quinnipiac University poll since he was inaugurated.”
The White House announced late today that Vice President Joe Biden will travel to Cincinnati on July 9, where he will tout progress being made by the $787 billion economic stimulus Measure passed in February.
“The economy in Ohio is as bad as anywhere in America,” said Peter Brown, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute. The poll numbers “indicate that for the first time voters have decided that President Barack Obama bears some responsibility for their problems.”
Maybe this is why Obama economic adviser Laura Tyson said this yesterday:
"We should be planning on a contingency basis for a second round of stimulus. ... The stimulus is performing close to expectations but not in timing." Reuters: "Addressing a seminar in Singapore, Tyson said she felt the first round of stimulus aimed to prop up the economy had been slightly smaller than she would have liked and that a possible second round should be directed at infrastructure investment."
Also, Biden will head to Ohio Thursday to talk up the stimulus plan.
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The administration saved the BANKERS, not the banks, and certainly not we the peons. The banks are STILL insolvent, the Bankers, however, are in FAT CITY.
Government Sachs, et al. Paulson's Plunder and Obama's Blunder.
The financial crisis is a product of long term government malfeasance in co-ordination with Bankster FRAUD.
The blood sucking Banksters pumped the super bubble economy up and up and sucked the life out of it. They rigged the system by buying the best government possible, which then bailed them out.
Until that message is correctly reported AND acted upon, there will be no progress.
and maybe the worst thing is that it is just one of the things that was instigated by booshCo. My other major sore point is torture/guantanamo. Obama is supposed to be a constitutional Law wonk and he does not have the balls to close the place. He is a pussy, plain and simple. His last interview with Chuck todd was a total clusterfuck. Obama does not recognize his media enemies or his political ones. How many fucking repuglyKKKans is he going to try to appoint. they all want to fuck him and he is apparently too dense to figure it out.
Obama is being handled. I'm convinced of it. Bill Maher had it right. Obama needs some of the boosh attitude.
Bill Maher also argues that Obama isn't even a liberal, even though there are accusations and rhetoric being thrown around of his administration being "socialist". Frankly, Obama is very mild of a president, even more so than Bush...and probably Clinton.
Hopefully America didn't vote for a "dud-in-chief".
because of the alternative--the realistic one, that is. He's proving to be a coporate tool, but I think with REAL pressure from progressives he might come around. That is only going to come from one "quarter" (more three quarters), and that's good 'ole us. So start making some noise.
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Did you forget it was the NEOCON-MAFIA-GOP Gang who created the whole mess in the fist place?
911 and Anthrax happenned under their watch and that was the beginning. Banksters de-regulation and "War on Terror" was their monster creation!
Commander in chief of the army and navy, when pressed into service, since you are want to think of the constitution.
NOT Commander in Chief of the country or of anything else, though the fascist nitwits that you emulate so well seem to flounder without a CONSTANT Führer.
Thanks to George Bush, and his many predecessors since the NSA of 1947, the army and the navy, plus the air force are always pressed into service, as in Perpetual War.
The nearly trillion dollar a year
defensewar budget is what has bankrupted this country, that is underneath Paulson's Plunder. Henry Paulson, remember him, former CEO of Government Sachs, former Secretary of the Treasury before he took over asPresidentKing from the drunk, George II.You speak like the true fascist dildo that you appear to long for.
As for where you should insert your comment, you might try it up your, well it rhymes with class.
I miss tyree. He was saying, all along...
He was driven away. Groupthink is bad.
still counts as being wrong. Ask Ron Paul....
If by trend, you mean that people aren't happy AT ALL with Obama because he's not keepin his campaign promises?
Then yes, I'd agree with that.
BUT!!!!
I'm STILL glad he's our prez, and not McPalin.
You can say that again.
We all have good and bad days(and months) in the office. Nice try(again), Susie.
over that Monsanto appointment last March that Susie just told people about last night cannot help those poll numbers.
Even if the appointment did not happen according to Old Billy.
1. Won't open up WH guest book
2. Indefinite Detentions
3. Bankers get rich
4. More troops to Afghanistan
5. 130000 troops still in Iraq
6. We are still being illegally wiretapped
7. Habeus Corpus is a quaint memory
8. Many still haven't got over FISA vote
9. Hasn't really made a stand for Health care
10. Hasn't moved on gays in the military
11. Halliburton and KBR still getting paid, let alone closed down
12. Mercenaries still on the payroll
13. Paneta as CIA Director
14. Rahm Emmanuel
15. No halt to foreclosures
in recent memory.
Hey man I worked for him, gave him money, did house party speeches, the whole 9 yards. It began last June when his FISA vote made me and my crew flip out. But we kept working for him anyway.
So yes it is a slap in the face. Sorry.
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It would've hardly made a difference if McGrampy had won the nomination for POTUS. Seemed like either way we were either screwed by Obama or doomed by McGramps.
We would be bombing Iran and North Korea by now.
HA!
would be at war with Iran, North Korea, and any other country that pissed him off.
So there's that.
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... in the same way "no difference between Bush and Gore" was. That Obama is falling far short of the ideal in no way means McCain would have been a better choice. And that without bringing the VP slot into the discussion.
jhunter - I was going to compose a similar list, but stumbled over yours. My sentiments exactly!
I predict he'll also cave on the Healthcare Public Option. Lyin' sack of shit...
I would like to say his Cairo speech was fantastic.
He is not so much of a liar. He is more like a fair weather friend. A trust and a respect has been established, you help your friend when he needs it and are happy to do so. But then when crunch time comes your friend has other priorities and you aren't one of them.
..he hasn't appointed a Special Prosecutor yet. W and the crime family continue to breathe free air and its looking like Pres. Obama chooses to be complicit in the War Crimes by not doing anything to the War Criminals. I voted for him, vocally supported him, sent him money and lost friends & acquaintances for that support since it was "..change I could believe in." Now what, the best we can say, "Well, at least it isn't McPalin." Pathetic.
Though I don't see the inherent problems w/ Panetta and Emmanuel. It'd be better if their specific negatives, relative to actions taken or prevented, were detailed, rather than just listing their names.
of the bag regarding the lying about torture to Pelosi, et al.
A REALLY big problem flying under the radar. If you woke up to it because of last night's article, good. If you didn't, then just keep eating corporate food until you die from it. The next big issue--food.
Sarah Palin hardly stands a chance in 2012, even if she gets the GOP nomination. If she does, then the repubs still have their heads in the sand pretending it's still 1980.
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But, it still may be possible for Palin to become the GOP nominee for POTUS, even though her chances of winning would be slim to nil...I do see several "I love Palin" bumper stickers in my area, which suggests that people are not so smart, informed, or educated.
Mitt Romney will be their boy in 2012. Just you watch.
..?
My bet is that they will present including someone like Romney and maybe someone like Gingrich. Maybe not those two, but in spirit that is their ticket: A supposed business savy to fix the economy (I am sure they will make sure we all forgot it was they who f*cked it beyond recognition to begin with), and a "tough" guy to restore America's cojones. Or some such.
I know my in-laws would cream all over a ticket like that. Heck they even get to pretend they dished their "fundie" base because they are so concerned about the future of our country.
...Bush ("MBA president") and Cheney.
"What 'Murka needs now, more than ever."
In fact, I can just picture them rolling out Reagan's corpse just for the campaign commercials.
I expect the GOP to present the most sever case of amnesia ever regarding Bush/Cheney. But in spirit their 2012 ticket will look exactly the same, except with different last names.
Jeb/Liz?
Fundamental Christians seem to be losing their charm. I smell desperation. Science is winning that battle, I think.
Romney is generally more squeaky-clean than many other republicans. Unless...?
... but if anything the GOP are fairly creative in their disingenuity. So I am confident they will figure it out...
Well, except for the doggie diarrhea.
Or his magical underwear. Or his military-service-dodging-to- help-Daddy-on-his-campaign sons. Or if someone releases his I.Q.
Gingrich/Romney 2012
The way the Repugs get around Mittens' Mormonisticality is to run a "strong-man" with him who is also a Fundamentalist (either Catholic or Protestant...doesn't matter).
That person is Gingrich. Newt doesn't really want to be president. That job's not powerful enough. He wants to be Dick Cheney. That's where the real power is--behind the throne. All sorts of shit you can get done in secret when you're not in the spotlight.
And just like Bush, Mittens would be happy to be an unwitting accomplice if it furthers his religious and free-market (i.e. "the rich get richer") goals.
I knew they would keep a tough guy like Gingrich around, however using him to get around the mormonosity kills 2 birds with a single stone.
...I can present myself to the Repug ticket as their new Lee Atwater?
Oh, boy...I have all sorts of plans for them. First, we put Rudy Guilliani back in a dress...
I don't think Newt will ever be on the ticket. The thrice married adulterer can't carry the evangelicals. Too much splaining to do.
Cheney has three DUIs and he was a draft dodger.
He got through!
... born "again" Bush was the evangelical bait.
Plus all that any GOP candidate has to do to gain instantaneous creed with the fundies is to "repent" and "find god" some time before the election. And all is fine.
because everyone I've met that has 'found god'.....did so in PRISON!
G.O.P....or...G O D....?
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he can work like a puppet. I despise Cheney, but, to coin a partial phrase, Gingrich is no Dick Cheney.
... and her chances in the general election depend largely on the state of the economy, health care reform, the ongoing wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and whether there's been another terrorist strike (domestic or otherwise).
She is too frightening to wholly disregard. The Republicans have proven themselves ignorant and radical enough to nominate someone so supremely unfit for the office.
...some of that change we voted for.
gotta give ya credit. √
it's because the media hasn't let the people know about the 52 construction contracts that Ohio got from the stimulus apckage. Hell, they didn't even tell Representative Boner.
Obama sending Biden to Ohio to bolster his poll numbers is like Michael Jackson sending Jermaine Jackson on a world tour to restore his musical reputation.
because Republicans are fairly open about the fact that they are for the wealthy first.
Obama rode into town on claims that he was for the common man and not just another Wall Street tool. He's since acted like a Wall Street tool.
Shocking! Who'dve thunk it? I mean, he's only broken many major promises he made, crapping all over gays w/ DADT and Defense of Straight Marriage, and he's crapping on the poor and the working poor w/ the lack of Presidential Will for Single Payer.
I'd vote for him being not so popular right now too.
... but for some reason, I have the distinct feeling that Obama's stance on gay rights is probably not one of the causes for his recent drop in approval rate in the buckeye state....
'In General' thing.
I want him to succeed, but he won't as long as he wants to placate the Thugs. He was voted in to NOT placate them.
Their 'ideas' suck and made this country the mess it is today.
n/t
If the economy doesn't get better for these states, cities, communities that have been hardest hit, the people will blame Obama, even though Bush and Co. left this gigantic mess to clean up.
One of the problems in my area is that there are lots of construction projects, but the banks will not fund them. Things are just sitting in limbo. In the meantime, people are being layed off with no prospect of being rehired if things do not get better. Companies with 100+ workers last year, down to 4-8 people, just waiting for things to start up again.
The banks need a huge kick in the ass.
can't control the government one way, they will control them another way.
also brings to the fore that the stimulus has, thus far, been pretty much anti-labor and anti-middle/lower class. There is not going to be any kind of recovery, if all attempts to fix problems are one-sided, with benefits accruing solely to those who caused the mess in the first place.
I think I'll turn on TV and find out why Obama is so unpopular.
Hey, look, it's Dick Cheney, Newt Gingrich, Mitch McConnell, John Boehner, John McCain, Rudy Giuliani, Mitt Romney, Mike Huckabee, Karl Rove, George Will and Tucker Carlson, all ready to explain it to me...
table. See what all that vermin is doing with all that free time they got now?
Fire, meet Gasoline! You two shake hands and...AHHHHHHGGGG!!!! My eyebrows!!!
I don't know if it's a trend but it had Joe Scarborough lapping up these poll numbers this morning like it was warm milk.
I would rather you liken him to your kitty's thinking you are going to make something special out of the turds you are scooping out of the litter box.
Lapping warm milk is too warm and fuzzy for Joe.
He was lapping the warm milk while playing the part of a concern troll. Meanwhile Mika still had a sour taste in her mouth because she doesn't believe "real Americans" have a voice without Sarah Palin.
just lost their champion. So I can understand Mika's sense of despair regarding Palin quitting.
gentleman's parts.
Not surprised at all that Obama's ratings are dropping, disappointed as I am. He is surrounded by greedy wall street people, insurance people and our congress is top heavy with lobbyists writing laws that suit their interests. Obama is trying to be Mr. Goody 2-Shoes, all things to all people and it is a failing strategy. He is afraid of offending his enemies but not his friends, it seems that he cares more about his own image than his country's good. If his presidency and his programs fail, it will be an American tragedy.
Obama is not "surrounded by greedy wall street people, insurance people..."
Obama has surrounded himself with greedy wall street people, insurance people...
Obama is not a victim here. He chose people whose views were well known and who could be expected to perform and advise him in predictable ways. He did that because their sensibilities are his sensibilities.
Obama's advisers are not failing him, he is failing us, or at least those of us who believed, whether out of naivete or desperation, that Obama would live up to his rhetoric.
As was pointed out above, the early signs were there -- FISA gave us a good look at how much Obama himself believed his own rhetoric. When he chose Biden, apart from choosing a walking talking blooper machine, he opted for someone without a progressive bone in his body. Every step of the way, Obama's actions have failed to match his rhetoric.
On some issues, like state secrets and detainees, he has not only failed to live up to his words, he has dragged the government to new lows of depraved thinking and policy. Of course, apologists abound. Some are simply in denial. I think John Amato, founder of this wonderful website, is one of those. After Rahm Emanuel raised questions about the administration's commitment to a strong public option (or any public option at all for that matter), Obama came out with a carefully worded statement that in no way contradicted what Emanuel had said. Yet, John, posted a thread characterizing Obama's statement as a slap at Emanuel. No matter how many times I read Obama's words I simply couldn't see how they contradicted Emanuel or how they could be interpreted to be unequivocal support for having a public option in the final bill. Obama clearly stated that the public option was but one of the ways his goals could be met and it is the goals he cares about not the method. The only problem with that is that there are no other options being considered that hold any hope for doing what a strong public option is designed to do. If Obama is pretending that there other mechanisms under consideration (co-ops?), then his is dealing dishonestly on the most important single policy initiative of his presidency.
I think John desperately wants to believe in Obama. I understand that sentiment, but I don't understand allowing that desire to cloud one's vision to the point that simple statements are completely misinterpreted. If there is to be a strong public option in the final bill, then Obama has to be convinced that key members of Congress will not accept a bill without such a plan. That means that we -- and especially people like John who have public platforms -- need to maintain constant pressure on our congressional representatives and Obama.
Obama has to be held accountable for every statement he makes that gives aid and comfort to the opposition of meaningful health care reform. And at this point, Obama should not be given the benefit of any doubt on anything. It is too dangerous to allow him to believe he has any wiggle room on the public option.
Obama isn't playing n-dimensional chess. He's not going to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat by a series of impossibly complex and convoluted maneuvers that are simply beyond the understanding of mere mortals. It is up to all of us who care more about policy than personality to make it 100% clear to Obama that our support is not unconditional. Obviously, for some people support is unconditional, and now matter what Obama does they will find a way to justify it even if it requires the positing of n to the google dimensional chess. However, in the real world those people are as dangerous to positive change as the Republicans are.
Mistakes are not being made...Obama is making mistakes.
So very well said. Well Done!
It's all about choices and Obama is consistantly making the wrong ones. He is too smart not to know exactly what he is doing or why he is doing it, which only makes the choices more blameworthy.
of the single-payer option. Can't you see that? That option was the only one that would work. You are all screwed if you can't see that.
"He is afraid of offending his enemies but not his friends,"
Yep. The right wing is not your friend, Barry. Stop trying to be 'bipartisan' and do the stuff we elected you to do. Channel the Dubya and start acting like you got a mandate! At this moment, you have a majority in congress (whether or not they all act like progressives). Push your shit through NOW before midterm elections. It is all about you for the next two years. Stop trying to appease everyone--go QUICK AND DIRTY.
Not surprised at all that Obama's ratings are dropping, disappointed as I am. He is surrounded by greedy wall street people, insurance people and our congress is top heavy with lobbyists writing laws that suit their interests. Obama is trying to be Mr. Goody 2-Shoes, all things to all people and it is a failing strategy. He is afraid of offending his enemies but not his friends, it seems that he cares more about his own image than his country's good. If his presidency and his programs fail, it will be an American tragedy.
I HOPE SO! He been enjoying night out with the wife and kids all over the world when we hired him to fix problems. Maybe Ohio is tired of banks being in charge of the recovery from the financial meltdown they caused. Maybe people are tired of the bullshit bipartisanshipiness that he tries to foist on us. maybe people are tired of him getting spit in the face from republicans and the media as he tries to smile it off.
Once upon a time, he told the RepuglyKKKans: "You lost!". then he goes all Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi.
I'm fucking sick of it and I'm not as bad off as the people from Ohio.
We know those numbers wouldn't have gone down from the republican base. So, where is he losing numbers? Obviously, from the independents and dems who voted for him.
He has become a big disappointment. I read another poster's list of what he has backed off on since he ran and it reads just like we have Dubya in a third term.
I'm an independent and am very disenchanted with what I've seen so far. I'm also very disenchanted with the Congress and Reid's and Pelosi's lack of leadership abilities.
meaning for you? Why would anyone care about keeping voters happy if the elections were fixed? Use logic and work backwards here: Politicians do not care about the voters. Thus, they don't care about votes. Why would that be the case? Think about it.
and when the economy goes further into a serious tailspin, just as the media is hallucinating about nonexistent green shoots, watch his numbers plummet country-wide, making a 13pt drop seem like a walk thru the daisies
Not surprised at all at the drop in the polls. This administration's straining toward bipartisanship that seems to be a cover for placating conservatives just isn't working. If the administration had just taken the progressive path, blocked the banks/financial institutions' greed, pulled out of Iraq and Afghanistan, sent the innocent de3tainees home, erased DADT with a simple executive order, and had not supported the Bush administration's lawbreaking, we'd be on the high road.
Instead, we're STILL surrounded by government-supported wrongdoing and blocking of human rights.
People who voted for him will be disappointed for many reasons, simply because Obama did not keep his campaign promise of change and a very different government from that of GW Bush.
I predict his approval numbers will be very low in 2-3 years because he still hasn't turned the corner. And "floating Republican agenda desires" and then letting them get shot down ain't gonna' do a damn thing for him. It just makes him look weak.
Seriously.
Let me explain:
The reason his numbers are going down is that he is a lying scumbag.
Do you get it now?
"something like a successful health care plan - or another stimulus package"
I'd settle for serious war crimes trials of those involved in authorising the illegal invasion of Iraq and the institutionalization of illegal kidnapping and torture.
Please post more dire awful terrible news, I can't get enough!
My God it took Dumbya and his party of thieves eight years to totally Fuck America up and you pessimistic assholes expect miracles in 6 months, with the ignorant party of NO blocking him at every junction. I'm disappointed somewhat too about things, but I'm not giving up the ship in just 6 short months.
No - we're not giving up. But it's allowed for us to read the signs based on his actions, and valid for us to be concerned and disappointed with indications and what we see.
Giving up? No.
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... it's that he's doing the wrong things. Bankers bailed out/homeowners screwed; torture cover-up; insurance companies "seat at the table" while single payer is out in the cold.
These policies do not magically transform into good policy with more time. They are wrong at the outset and ratify Bush's criminal behavior.
Ohio is one of the hardest hit states - they're hurting. Six months isn't long enough to turn things around - but it's long enough to get a feel for Obama's direction.
You have to admit though - having the poor bail out the rich -- and then have the rich turn around and screw the poor AGAIN and AGAIN - was a bad set of moves.
I don't think Obama and his suits REALLY understands how bad people are hurting. And now they're playing games with health care? No - this shit is NOT going to fly.
I'm about ready to take his bumper sticker off my car myself. He's pissing me off a lot. He's doing so many good things - then he's mixing in all the stupid stuff.
I think we needed two presidents this time - one for foreign policy and one for domestic.
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... why do we have an office of the vice-president then?
To tell you the truth - I have NO idea what VP is good for except as tiebreaker.
Maybe re=Thugs had it right? Put in someone ignorant and pretty to distract the ignorant masses?
I don't know if Biden could have handled the domestic thing - but maybe he should be given a chance.
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catch the overflow from the presidency.
Although lately, Biden's penchant for inserting his feet into his mouth ain't helping much.
laughing because in addition to us not whining about Obama being a centrist because we KNEW this when we voted for him, we also knew that Biden, while smart and capable, also has a real penchant for making an ass out of himself. We KNEW this.
"his superfluous excellency."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toorZ2X8PyE
... however this is a single data point, on one of the hardest hit states by the recession.
This is normal and expected. Trying to extract a "trend" or use this data as an indictment against Obama is silly.
Context people, context.
That's obvious
Barack: Hey everybody, what’s the difference between a progressive and a toilet?
Rahm: I give up, Mr. President.
Barack: The toilet doesn’t follow you around after you use it.
[Entire Cabinet]: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
Barack: Hey everybody, what’s the difference between a progressive and a toilet?
Rahm: I give up, Mr. President.
Barack: The toilet doesn’t follow you around after you use it.
[Entire Cabinet]: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
The establishment likes him and w and cheney should thank him for the cover ups and continuing their policies.
Libs got punked.
he is a moderate at best. And never made any false claims otherwise.
I think some liberals were projecting their own bias on the guy, but trying to pretend to be shocked that he is no liberal is a bit disingenuous. Although I can understand the frustration.
He was just the better alternative when it came down to chose between him or McInsane.
If anything, I think the time is nigh for liberals to stop bitching and actually organize a viable political alternative. Anything else is just a cyclic waste of time... IMHO.
...you last night, my frustration is legit, but if I feigned surprise, then the joke would be on me. We knew he was and is centrist, at best, and we voted for the better option.
He is wasting a mandate for change and chose the establishment.
2012, the choice will be the establishment vs the establishment.
There is no choice, just puppets for the establishment.
This country is not even close to admitting the establishment controls government.
...I posited in either this thread or an earlier one (I can't remember) that MAYBE the silver lining is just that:
If Obama, supposedly a good man (leap of faith/for the sake of argument) can't keep perfectly good and decent campaign promises, then we need to fix the system and stop waiting for some kind of a bloody savior to do it for us, in a system that ties his or her hands. Maybe this is the last punch in the mouth we finally need to be convinced.
We got tea parties from the cons.
I don't think there's a person here that thinks Obama is a Liberal.
We're not a bunch of dumb re=Thugs.
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Indeed.
According to Joe Scarborough, Obama is more left leaning than anyone expected him to be. The right say he too left and the left say he is too right.
more about who is or isn't on the left, than a conservative would.
"According to Joe Scarborough"? really?
trust that asshat at your own peril
According to Joe Scarborough....
Obama is a socialist.... Never mind that most of these folks think “socialist” is the French word for Negro.
I certainly agree with you that nobody here thinks Obama is a liberal. If people didn't know it before the election, they sure know it now.
But I'm really wondering about something. Would progressives or liberals be far less angry if Obama had not promised change, a turn away from GW's brand of governing, where the agenda would be to benefit all Americans? Those WERE his campaign promises.
While people have always laughed at campaign promises, I guess Americans were sitting ducks to be duped this time around -- there were so many urgent issues that needed to be set right, to wrest away from the Bush agenda. Many people feel deeply betrayed, not because Obama is not a liberal but because he's faithfully following in GW's footsteps on those issues that he most urgently needed to NOT continue if America is to survive. After campaign promises otherwise.
I think he will be haunted by those broken promises throughout his term of office if he remains on this dangerous path. And probably greatly damaged by his betrayal of those promises.
he isn't even a progressive.
people think he is weak and has already been bought by monied interests.
he is all talk and no action.
it is getting so bad that maybe larry sinclair had something more than a mouth and passed it along to barrys masters.
I don't know where you're getting your information - but you might want to do a bit more reading up on it.
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The absolute best Wonka ever ....
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Still only 6 months into his presidency, Pres. Obama has reversed more of his campaign promises than he has kept. Not sure he has kept one of them yet.
I'm not sure it would have been any different with Hillary. I can't believe I'm going to say this; it might have been better to have grandpy Mc Cain. At least he would have been truthful about screwing you over.
No, that's not right. He would have gone further overboard and we would currently be at war with Iran. It's just very difficult to support someone who is already running for their second term before accomplishing anything in the first one.
...on all counts. Hillary would be breaking some hearts right now, too.
McCain would simply be a nightmare (not to mention The Shrilla being next in line is just plain unacceptable, for lack of a more volcanic word).
Anyway, we have 3.5 more years to decide if Obama gets a 2nd term. However, the GOP may do Obama a favor and put up Failin' Palin, aka The Quitter, or a joker like Huckabee and Michelle can start picking out the second term Oval Office rug color right now.
Reversed more than he has kept? Now, I didn't start following the election until about August of last year, so lord knows there are plenty of campaign promises I missed. But I can't find an exhaustive list of campaign promises vs their results anywhere but on politifact, and they have kept to reversed as 32 to 6.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promi...
when their Kool Aid is wearing off.
... however if you add the "compromises" he is running @ a 50% miss rate.
Throw in the stalled items into the mix, and basically this admin is running at a 1:1 ratio so far between promise achieved and unachieved as a current snapshot.
To be fair that accounts for 11% of his promises, and we're only through 8% of his term.
Although I think a lot of the cricitism re Obama is due to the big item compromise/reversals. Some of those policies not being covered by the campaign promises, obviously due to the dynamic/real time nature of any presidency trying to deal with the shit sandwich left by the previous admin.
Also part of the problem is the notion of "change" which is a rather subjective qualitative issue... and thus clearly open for debate.
I think the biggies, like DADT and Gitmo get mo' attention (see what I did there?) but I'm not ready to call him a total failure yet. It makes sense, though, since, unlike fixing the economy and healthcare, things like Gitmo and DADT are pretty black-and-white issues. Ending wiretaps and releasing the torture pics, and starting investigations into war crimes, I think, also fall into that category: simple questions of right and wrong. Stuff like Afghanistan, well, we are still operating on the belief that 9/11 was executed by taliban-supported al-quaida. So I can understand staying there. As for Iraq, it feels like we should stay to fix what we fucked up, but it seems like they don't want us there, so I'm okay with just getting out of there now.
All that said, there are some major changes I want to see made...if theyr'e not within the next 3.5 years, I'm going to be pissed. Which of course, means I'll still vote for the dem who runs, since I don't want Palin/Fuckabee in 2012.
Two things that disappoint me most about Obama's presidency: Tim Geithner and Rahm Emmanuel. Obama needs to shake up wall street and the banks and Geithner's not going to go against his buddies. Neither will Rahm. Besides that, Emmanuel's too right-wing and too much of an appeaser to push forward any progressive agenda.
in a state that had Blackwell running elections and stealing votes for republicans influence me in my opinions. It's one state out of 50.
Plus, that state has been hurting for much longer than Obama has been in office. It all began at least a year or so ago and has gone down hill fast.
perhaps part of the reason his numbers are falling in Ohio can be attributed to more republican voodoo. That they do. Doo.
Anyway...
Paul Krugman has been warning all along this would happen.
The stimulus funding wasn't enough in dollars, strings or targeted properly.
So if/when things go bad, people will blame the stimulus program and in general
So if anyone proposes more stimulus--well good luck with that.
I'm hearing that only a small percent of the stimulus money has actually gone out yet.
I've heard that too.
Like maybe only 30% of the money has been sent out, while they're sitting on the rest to see what happens.
The only trouble is when and if they release the rest of the money, some people will think it's in addition to the bailout money already, not money already pulled for that purpose.
what has been doled out thus far has been spent poorly, as it was sent to the wrong people, with nary a string attached... (vicious understatements abound)
and show effectiveness. However, in the mean time, part of the job is to restore confidence, and in that regard... I can't say I have been that impressed with this current administration.
that being said, I don't think that it is an easy task to get the projects moving... and at the same time have to fight the GOP obstruction machine.
However, at some point Obama needs to turn the table on the GOP vermin. Hopefully he is indeed playing n-dimensional chess Star Trek style, and not just intro to checkers.
This is my single biggest gripe with Obama. He promised us he would listen to the experts. Did Krugman qualify? Apparently not.
I am furious with him over this.
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Wonder how much better the economy would have improved with Krugman as Treasury Secretary.
Or jockey... or whatever.
... he is an academic and he knows it.
that even if he would have been considered, Krugman said he didn't want the job.
twice as much stock price inflation and twice as bankrupt a country?
... anybody that wasn't responsible for screwing things up in the first place.
Until they relieve the debt burden on consumers and make meaningful changes to the credit industry the economy will continue to swirl around the drain.
This is inevitable everywhere if he doesn't get rid of the republican-lite Clinton flunkies.
Fire Rahm Emmanuel and hire Howard Dean!
Fire Wall Street Geithner and Derivatives Summers, and hire Paul Krugman.
His poll numbers would sky-rocket.
If he keeps on with this 1990's corporate bullshit the Clinton's started, his ass will be toast!
Democratic corporate fascism is no better than republican corporate fascism; and if Obama is so smart, he better damn well figure it out soon!
Even my 70 year old mother-in-law who has been a liberal democrat her entire life is asking me if we made a mistake. She wanted to know if Obama is a phony, because he doesn't seem like the democrats she knew growing up. People are getting very tired of this corporate bullshit from both parties.
...is that so so so so many people will vote for a republican because of any disillusionment with a democrat. If disappointed, don't vote for evil: vote third or fourth party or write you own name in. Jeebus! There is rarely a good reason to vote GOP, certainly not out of spite.
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