Students Warned Not To Link To Or Even Read WikiLeaks If They Want A Federal Job. Is This Still America?
Sure looks like a large and concerted intimidation campaign against WikiLeaks supporters. In addition to this, law students at Boston University were warned not to link to WikiLeaks, or even read it online, because it might keep them from getting a security clearance for a federal job.
Oh, and soldiers trying to read from Iraq get a popup warning them they're about to break the law. Can you say "whack-a-mole", Mr. Constitutional Law Professor?
From Democracy Now! with Glenn Greenwald:
AMY GOODMAN: I'm going to interrupt, because I want to get to some memos that we've been getting from around the country that are very important and interesting. University students are being warned about WikiLeaks. An email from Columbia University's School of International and Public Affairs, that we read in headlines, reads-I want to do it again-quote,
"Hi students,
"We received a call today from a SIPA alumnus who is working at the State Department. He asked us to pass along the following information to anyone who will be applying for jobs in the federal government, since all would require a background investigation and in some instances a security clearance.
"The documents released during the past few months through Wikileaks are still considered classified documents. He recommends that you DO NOT post links to these documents nor make comments on social media sites such as Facebook or through Twitter. Engaging in these activities would call into question your ability to deal with confidential information, which is part of most positions with the federal government.
"Regards, Office of Career Services."
That's the email to Columbia University students at the School of International and Public Affairs.
Now, I want to go on to another memo. Democracy Now! has obtained the text of a memo that's been sent to employees at USAID. This is to thousands of employees, about reading the recently released WikiLeaks documents, and it comes from the Department of State.
They have also warned their own employees. This memo reads, quote, "Any classified information that may have been unlawfully disclosed and released on the Wikileaks web site was not 'declassified' by an appopriate authority and therefore requires continued classification and protection as such from government personnel... Accessing the Wikileaks web site from any computer may be viewed as a violation of the SF-312 agreement... Any discussions concerning the legitimacy of any documents or whether or not they are classified must be conducted within controlled access areas (overseas) or within restricted areas (USAID/Washington)... The documents should not be viewed, downloaded, or stored on your USAID unclassified network computer or home computer; they should not be printed or retransmitted in any fashion."
That was the memo that went out to thousands of employees at USAID. The State Department has warned all their employees, you are not to access WikiLeaks, not only at the State Department, which they've blocked, by the way, WikiLeaks, but even on your home computers. Even if you've written a cable yourself, one of these cables that are in the trove of the documents, you cannot put your name in to see if that is one of the cables that has been released. This warning is going out throughout not only the government, as we see, but to prospective employees all over the country, even on their home computers.

No thanks.
I'm a lot like Ricky Gervais and the Golden Globes: Why?
Or you could just have a dedicated laptop that is only used with proxies and in internet cafes. Also, encrypt the OS. An ereader also works.
Of course, jumping through such hoops should not be required.
waiting for the assault on freedoms outcry from teabaggers.
Where were they when The Patriot Act was passed, when Telecom immunity was passed and when so many of our rights to privacy as American citizens were trampled on by the government and private corporations?
"Listen to our phone calls and emails, monitor our web habits and library check-outs, let private corporations go through our credit history before hiring us, allow immunity to telecoms, banks and war profiteers... But don't even think of looking into the actions of my government!!!"
Hopefully humanity will one day learn to be humane.
Once again, standards around here are falling rapidly.
I saw the same thing happen at slashdot.org
The story was ONE tutor telling his student not to comment on the leaks on facebook/twitter etc... because it would show that they didn't know how to handle secret information correctly. It was TOTALLY reasonable.
This headline blows that ONE incident all out of reasonable proportion.
FOR SHAME Suzie.
That puts things into a different light.
"Better." It's what we should ask of ourselves and of our leaders.
a story from The Onion, because the staff were too lazy to check the facts, maybe just maybe C&L will refrain from laughing their asses off....
... just a big single unrelated incident.
CTHULHU 2012 "Why vote for a lesser evil?"
Bad enough that you excoriate Susie Madrek while getting basic details of her story wrong. But then you pat yourself on the back over it in a follow-up post.
Yeah, thanks. I didn't want to waste all my time typing that out. Agreed.
far left loon >.<
specifically references two different emails. The first, which was the basis of Amy Goodman's breaking story on Democracy Now, is NOT from "one tutor telling his student not to comment on the leaks". It is from the Office of Career Services at Columbia University's School of International and Public Affairs.
The other email is from the State Department to thousands of employees at USAID.
If you are going to accuse Susie of sentsationalism, then the least you can do is get your basic facts right in a way that shows you actually did her the courtesy of reading beyond the headline.
and I received two emails today warning me about accessing wikileaks from a government computer.
"Better." It's what we should ask of ourselves and of our leaders.
I grew up under Nixon.
I'm a lot like Ricky Gervais and the Golden Globes: Why?
Leave it up on my screen awhile too. In fact I'm going to see if they're up after I submit this
I too, grew up under Nixon.
Subvert The Dominant Paradigm, eroded. Remember that?
me-oww!
Oh, nothing is making the headlines but accusations against Assange.
Shooting the messenger, they call it.
Endless Ad Hominem.
Again.
Yes, if Assange is a rapist, then certainly all his Leaks must be LIES.
Yes.
I'm a lot like Ricky Gervais and the Golden Globes: Why?
it was hardly rape. He's been charged with 'sex by surprise,' a law only Sweden understands. It involves not using a condom when requested. He was using a condom that broke with one gal. Both women appaently bragged about bagging him. The other one went to police when she felt she'd been treated badly, ie "...he was more interested in his computer..." and he didn't feel like pursuing a relationship with her.
me-oww!
Must've had lots of shade then...
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
The government tells you not to read it on a government computer? Makes sense. It's hardly an impingement on your freedoms.
There should be no throttle control on how "free" you are.
Cross that line and you are no longer free, just controlled.
Free as in unfettered by rules constraining our CONSTITUTIONAL guarantees
.
Repeal the Patriot act, it is a boot on our neck.
This information is out, so read it, good luck stuffing the Jhin back into the bottle.
If our system lies to us, WE THE PEOPLE should know.
Presidents, Senators and Congress people are just employees of the Public anyway.
So fuck them before we are all fucked.
But that is like a minor detail.
CTHULHU 2012 "Why vote for a lesser evil?"
It really is. I mean , who gives a shit what some fucking private stole?
I mean really? The guy is a fucking private. You think he's got access to high priority intel? To TS intel? No, of course not. This is all bullshit.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
Even a Private has access to things the military does not want civilians to know.
They'll (the govt) ban you from here.
me-oww!
accessing that or any other site that has nothing to do with your job
im not paying taxes so you can fuck around all day
How about on their lunch hour? Or don't they deserve any time off?
far left loon >.<
Hey Walt, go talk to the republiCONS about fucking around on the job all day.
If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're gonna get selfish, ignorant leaders.
George Carlin
Madrak: The warning attributed to Columbia University is incorrect, if just by a bit.
You posted as follows: "Regards, Office of Career Services".
When in fact, the memo actually read: "Regards and Sieg Heil, Office of Career Services."
As I read the memo my brain was interpreting it like this:
"Even if you've written zee cable yourzelf, vun of zeez cables that are in the trove of zee documents, you can NOT put your name in to see if that is one of zee cables zat has been released! Zis warning is going out throughout NOT only the government, as we see, but to prospective employees all over the country!!, even on their home computers!"
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
This signals the last vestige of our 'rights' as citizens to do as we see fit in the privacy of our own homes... Murdoch and his slaves will be pleased.. the pee-party folks should be overjoyed.... the last vestiges of the Stasi will be forever grateful for the support, and you can expect billboards soon on the Interstate highway system blaring "READ THE WIKILEAKS DOCS?? YOU'RE GOING TO JAIL!!!
This is from all folks that still believe this is a free country.. "F*** YOU".
No, it's not. Unless by 'America,' you mean a place Joseph McCarthy would thrive in. Meet the new 'commie' hunters. Same as the old commie hunters.
me-oww!
It's been AMERICA, TOMORROW from the very start, since so many Americans loved enslaving people when they wrote the Constitution.
Women couldn't even vote until 1920.
We'll be America.
Tomorrow.
I'm a lot like Ricky Gervais and the Golden Globes: Why?
I think the important thing to recognize is that the response to WikiLeaks has been exactly like our response to 9/11: totally ineffective.
Folks are trying to demonize Assange, which ignores the larger picture: the truth of the materials.
Weren't we all being told, "If you're doing nothing wrong, then you have nothing to hide" by the Bush Administration as they savaged FISA and the 4th Amendment? Didn't security geeks and calmer minds point out that weakening protections works both ways?
The real issue is SECURITY. If such a broad swath of information is available and collectible, it's all very nice to blame either Chinese hackers or a suspect in a previous leak who is currently in jail (therefore, WikiLeaks would have actually been sitting on this material for months).
Noting the panicked response of certain people is one thing, but it needs factual context.
the "new journalism" is capable of error, lack of fact checking, and willingness to believe bullcrap if it fits with their preconceptions, JUST as much as the "old journalism".
C&L have a LONG way to go when it comes to fact checking.
Columbia University career services got a recommendation from an alumnus that if you want a job with the State Dept, he recommends
"you DO NOT post links to these documents nor make comments on social media sites such as Facebook or through Twitter. Engaging in these activities would call into question your ability to deal with confidential information, which is part of most positions with the federal government."
So,
(1) This is NOT official policy; it is an alumnus giving personal advice to an undergrad at his alma mater.
(2) It has nothing to do with reading/not reading wikileaks.
Redarding the other memo, (USAID) if you have a security clearance, you are not allowed to talk about classified materials, even if you only know of those materials from an out of channel source (the news). This is not new. You are also not allowed to seek out classified material that you do not need to know. If a person has had access to classified material without authorization beforehand, it can complicate the process of gaining a security clearance.
you have the details of the story right. Unlike your first post at 11:09 am. However, I still disagree with your interpretation.
In the memo at USAID, they are saying that information that is now available in the public domain is still classified (reasonable, but only true of a small portion of the total document dump according to most news reports) and that as such, all current or prospective government employees have to maintain themselves in deliberate ignorance of their contents by refraining from even reading the material that any random, un-cleared, internet user around the world has access to. This may make sense under the letter of the law, but completely fails any common-sense test.
Meanwhile, the concluding statement of the USAID memo that "This warning is going out throughout not only the government, as we see, but to prospective employees all over the country, even on their home computers." would seem to undercut your take on the significance of the Columbia University memo.
Nothing has ever made me want to read something more than being told by some government entity not to.
So far, news accounts of the content of the documents tell me it was mostly drivel. Embarrassing drivel, but drivel nonetheless.
If a lowly PFC in the Army, while pretending to be watching Lady Gaga videos, can download several hundred thousand classified documents, that speaks volumes about what a joke our "security" precautions for classified material are.
And his being allowed to watch Lady Gaga videos openly while on duty speaks volumes about the workplace environment, no? Maybe, just maybe, it tells us the Army is too big, has too many computers, too many network connections, and too many people without real jobs to do.
Dear Teabaggers: while you're busy trying to shrink government, how about shrinking the DoD?
Index Librorum Prohibitorum
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
When your "workplace environment" is one where you're getting shot at and blown to pieces, you can watch whatever the fuck you want to on your precious little downtime as far as I'm concerned.
If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're gonna get selfish, ignorant leaders.
George Carlin
My sentiments exactly.
Killing.
I'm a lot like Ricky Gervais and the Golden Globes: Why?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_0--PQqytU
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
in an invaded and occupied country.
Maybe if we stopped invading and killing people in other countries...
Remember how loved the German and other nationality nazis were in the various occupied countries in WW2 !?
The Germans built a chain of holiday camps for millions of people to vacation in, similar but on a smaller scale happened in Iraq and Afghanistan.
And his being allowed to watch Lady Gaga videos openly while on duty speaks volumes about the workplace environment, no?
When you put your sorry ass on the front lines, I'll care about what you think. Until then, these guys can watch whatever the fuck they want. Have some more cheetos.
(Aside: How long does it take for new avatars to show up? I changed it yesterday and it's on my profile page.)
far left loon >.<
My conclusion about the "watch Lady Gaga videos" meme, based on a reading of Manning's chat logs with Adrian Lamo -- as reported by Glenn Greenwald at Salon.com (via Wired) -- is different from the Stephanie Miller-like interpretation that seems to be in play here.
Manning didn't say he was "watching" Lady Gaga videos. He said that he'd bring a CD-RW to work labeled "Lady Gaga" (which he used simply as an example) as a ruse, and then he'd burn the cables to it.
He told Lamo: “I would come in with music on a CD-RW labeled with something like ‘Lady Gaga,’ erase the music then write a compressed split file."
The Wired piece from June 2010 is here: http://bit.ly/bBg5PG
"PayPal cuts WikiLeaks from money flow
(AP) – 5 hours ago
BERLIN (AP) — The online payment service provider PayPal has cut off the account used by WikiLeaks to collect donations, serving another blow to the organization just as it was struggling to keep its website accessible after an American company stopped directing traffic to it.
PayPal said in a blog posting that the move was prompted by a violation of its policy, "which states that our payment service cannot be used for any activities that encourage, promote, facilitate or instruct others to engage in illegal activity."
The short notice was dated Friday, and a spokeswoman for PayPal Germany on Saturday declined to elaborate and referred to the official blog posting."
Up Truth.
Oh wait.
"Truth" is a bad conspiracy word.
I forgot.
I'm a lot like Ricky Gervais and the Golden Globes: Why?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vgDpI8kU98
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
boggles.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iwuy4hHO3YQ&fe...
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
My Wiki doesn't leak.
TMI... --- seriously TMI
In the marketplace of ideas, too many people shop in the bargain basement.
-- Thunder BlueRose
Why, yes, I am a card-carrying member of the ACLU
http://saxman.bravepages.com
Do you get one stream
Or two or three?
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
for a security firm that gets gov't contracts and employs people in Afghanistan...they too have been ordered not to look at wikileaks.
"Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain..."
In the marketplace of ideas, too many people shop in the bargain basement.
-- Thunder BlueRose
Why, yes, I am a card-carrying member of the ACLU
http://saxman.bravepages.com
Tell them Don't Look. Works everytime.
That's a running joke around here. Someone will yell, "Don't Look!"
Sure enough, all the heads turn to see why..
If you don't believe me, give it a try.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
DON'T LOOK at this link
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/04/stat...
far left loon >.<
Don't Look!
What is your conceptual, continuity?
Damn, no tits.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
here are some tits.
Enjoy.
Bite my shiny metal ass.
http://www.startalkradio.net/
I've had wikileaks before
After drinking an entire case of beer in one sitting.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Magie.
.
Geographically speaking... YES.
Ideologically speaking... Umm, look around. NO!
.
Starve the WAR Beast...
... Save the World.
"Engaging in these activities would call into question your ability to deal with confidential information, which is part of most positions with the federal government."
Breach of security does not consist of receiving classified information, but in disseminating it. If you read it and don't discuss it, what is the breach?
If you need funds to pay for essentials, you have a revenue problem
If you need funds to pay for frivolity, you have a spending problem
"Engaging in these activities would call into question your ability to deal with confidential information, which is part of most positions with the federal government."
Funny, nobody questioned Dick Cheney or Scooter Libby's ability to deal with confidential information when they leaked Valerie Plame's identity as a CIA operative.
If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're gonna get selfish, ignorant leaders.
George Carlin
"I just wish I had a job where I could have access to confidential information!!!"
The kind with a very red asscrack and some very ripped briefs.
I'm a lot like Ricky Gervais and the Golden Globes: Why?
So the Obama administration is every bit as fascist as the Bush regime? Well color me shocked!
If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're gonna get selfish, ignorant leaders.
George Carlin
It Can't Happen Here right?
Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) and Kit Bond (R-Miss.) said that Assange--and, in wording that was likely designed to intimidate programmers and other volunteers aiding WikiLeaks--any of "his possible accomplices" should be charged with federal crimes.
"We believe that Mr. Assange's conduct is espionage and that his actions fall under the elements of this section of law," the senators told Attorney General Eric Holder in a letter today. "Therefore, we urge that he be prosecuted under the Espionage Act."
Oh and go piss up a rope Feinstein.
I'm a lot like Ricky Gervais and the Golden Globes: Why?
Assuming the prevailing narrative is correct, and Wikileaks obtained the material from PFC Bradley Manning, who's to say that there isn't a separate actor, independent of Wikileaks or Manning, being paid by a foreign country to commit espionage. For all we know, with the number of people who had access to this kind of material, espionage could have been carrying on for years, and may still be. That's what the Senators should be worried about.
A discussion of the New York Times Co. versus U.S is here, a case that invoked Section 793 of the Espionage Act.
They were doing some software upgrades a couple of years ago (Bushco years) and horrified discovered many rootkitted PCs at the Pentagon, somebody most likely some foreign intel org had compriomised a large part of the Pentagons PCs. This was reported in great amazement on various technical news websites.
PS; Rootkit is a trojan/virus beneath the operating system therefor invisible/undetectable to anti virus software.
Hey DiFi, if you're so worried about espionage, maybe you should take another look at what our best fucking friends, the Israelis, are up to. Do that, then get back to us. Diane Feinstein - another useless so called "Democrat" who should be thrown out on her ass.
If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're gonna get selfish, ignorant leaders.
George Carlin
"Texas Rep. Ron Paul doesn’t think the government should charge WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange with treason, arguing that the Australian who facilitated the unprecedented document dump should be considered part of the free press. ...
Paul, a libertarian-minded Republican who ran for president in 2008, differs from many in his party.
Former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum has called Assange a “terrorist,” for example, and former House Speaker Newt Gingrich called Assange “an enemy combatant” who “should be in jail for the rest of his life.” "
Separately, if they want to prosecute, come up with a law violation.
"We checked in with a couple First Amendment specialists on the topic, each of whom cast doubt on the government’s ability to prosecute or sue anyone involved with publishing the leaks."
hasn't ever stopped them before.
America: makes war on countries that did not attack it, imprisons it's citizens witout charge, tortures people, imprisons children, orders the assassinates it's citizens.
The threats to Wiki-leaks are small potatoes. Anyone recall what the FBI did to Steven Hatfill? Without one shred of evidence they named him a "person of interest" in the antrax attack then set about ruining life even denying him a chance for employment. When they couldn't pin the crime on Hatfill they then proceeded to hound another scientist until the man comitted suicide.
are trying to bring 'DeMOCKracy' to....yup, indeedy do.
Yup, spending all this time helping out other countries to hunt down this guy while all the time totally ignoring SELF-ADMITTED (and bragging) WAR CRIMINALS....
sending our troops into the Middle East meat grinder assuring more of the physically AND emotionally maimed results...(not to mention working on DE-funding any follow-up help..gotta 'stay in the budget - doncha know' )......
Yup, we're really impressing everyone. Big time. And that WikiLeaks dude? Well, hell, he's done more to show what this country has really become than just pulling out those papers.......
AND police removed a five year old girl from her Kindergarden class in handcuffs after teacher reported her for misbehaving. The video of the young girl being removed went all over Italy to the reaction of stunned Italians who have only respect for all children.
Got a link of the vid?
Bite my shiny metal ass.
http://www.startalkradio.net/
It's what all inquiring minds think of first when they want to know something.
Ghetto youth who will never be considered for government job no matter what his qualifications, offers Wikileaks downloads on disk to university students with public service ambitions.
Disk One: Cablegate: 250,000 US Embassy Diplomatic Cables
Disk Two: War Diary: Iraq War Logs
Disk Three: War Diary: Afghanistan War Logs
Ten dollars per disk. Order all three and receive "Collateral Murder" video at no extra charge.
and if one is going to apply to a job that has backround checks...one should be very careful about what one does in ones personal life
this thread is stupid
Right. Mind your Ps and Qs if you are aspiring to sweep floors at IHOP. Which company does not do background checks in this information age?
far left loon >.<
i'm a federal employee. i got a notice on my agency's website home page saying i shouldn't attempt to access the documents from my work computer. it said nothing about accessing them from my personal pc.
I tried about a half hour ago, and with three different attempts got three different messages that firefox couldn't find it.
And that's from home.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
An article I read states the sites been moved to a Swiss domain - wikileaks.ch
In the marketplace of ideas, too many people shop in the bargain basement.
-- Thunder BlueRose
Why, yes, I am a card-carrying member of the ACLU
http://saxman.bravepages.com
http://213.251.145.96/
far left loon >.<
Is dead, time to PA..
Bite my shiny metal ass.
http://www.startalkradio.net/
data, about warrentless wiretaps, that the nyt's published a couple of years ago? if so, the federal government will be reduced to hiring only the illiterate.
I appreciate the argument made that one should have as much freedom as possible.
On the one hand, nothing in the documents I've seen is particularly exciting. If you notice, most of them are classified Secret, which sounds sexy but is really duller-than-dirt. If you read the header information on the cables, most of them are classified in accordance with Sections 1.4(b) or 1.4(d) of Executive Order 12958, which cover "foreign government information" and "foreign relations or foreign activities of the United States, including confidential sources," respectively.
Nothing in those categories is necessarily "secret" -- if it was the work of spies, for example, it would be given classifications of Top Secret/codeword -- levels of classification well above Top Secret (for a predictably charming story on this point, see Daniel Ellsberg's anecdote about his conversation with Henry Kissinger on Above-Top-Secret information in Ellsberg's memoir ).
And it's not as if it's news that diplomats gossip. What makes them worthy of protection is the fact that they might name names and, more to the point, that they often paint unflattering pictures of foreign heads-of-state.
On the other hand, rules are rules. And that's not "fascist." If there's a rule at work that you don't play online poker or watch streaming porn videos, and you break the rule, you suffer the consequences.
The "SF-312" is a Nondisclosure Agreement, no different in scope than any other NDA signed by any other American worker. @ronhohn makes a good point about disclosure, but the SF-312 speaks to this by including "unauthorized disclosure, unauthorized retention, or negligent handling of classified information."
When you sign the SF-312 -- and I say this as someone who signed it dozens of times -- you agree to the terms, including (emphasis added): "I understand that all classified information to which I have access or may obtain access by signing this Agreement is now and will remain the property of, or under the control of the United States Government unless and until otherwise determined by an authorized official or final ruling of a court of law."
So the guy broke the rules. And whether we progressives want to believe it or not, Wikileaks has already caused harm. I have personal knowledge of this -- one Middle East government that was the subject of a considerable number of negative evaluations has started a round-up of any personnel who would have had contact with American diplomats from 2005 to 2009. It has also barred any sub-ministerial personnel from speaking to diplomats.
In addition, there are reports that the American ambassador was asked to leave Berlin by the German Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
There's nothing in the 250-odd accessible cables that seems to directly threaten US security -- that much is true. But their release does make it very, very hard to get other governments to trust American officials. And that's one reason why I voted for the president -- I was tired of other governments rejecting U.S. policy initiatives out-of-hand simply because our government was dumber than dirt.
Thanks to PFC Manning, we're right back where we started under BushCo in that regard.
Seems to me, the only ones required to play by the rules are the peons. For corporate America and Bush, Cheney and Co.... as well as teabag united... its a frre fror all. They can do whatever the hell they want without question and screw the rules when it suits them.
Now that they're being shown for the corrupt sh*ts they are, they want the rest of us to play by the rules? Screw em'
After reading all the comments, I'm astounded how many are keen to cave in to authority and support the US government's fascist control of their lives.
How would anyone know you've read any of the Wikileaks stuff, or talking about it, unless they are SPYING on you to begin with. Yes, SPYING on you, in America, land of the free.
People who work for the government do have rules to obey for their employment. Fair enough. I think this is going way beyond that.
far left loon >.<
... apparently the issue some people have with brown shirts is not the color of the shirt, but whether it has and R or a D embroiled in it.
CTHULHU 2012 "Why vote for a lesser evil?"
And still missed the part where the story is deliberately misleading?
This is a non-event.
Everyone here seems to be too willing to believe the worst, when the facts just don't back it up.
I didn't miss a thing, I'm just not in agreement with you. There is a difference.
You seen America lately???????????? I'm willing to believe the worst and then some. It's a "candy-coated dictatorship" (Zappa), but maybe you like that.
If they have nothing to hide, they have nothing to worry about, right?
far left loon >.<
Fuck the criminal ass clowns in your government.
"Candy-coated dictatorship" -Zappa.
far left loon >.<
... didn't Mr. Obama campaigned on a platform of increased "transparency" for the federal government?
CTHULHU 2012 "Why vote for a lesser evil?"
on lots of things. He's a true used car salesman.
No offense to honest used car salesmen.
NOBODY 2012
He promised all State Department dip[lomacy would be conducted in poste, public meetings and the results would be transmitted back to Washinton by town criers posted within earshot of each other.
Ixnay is pissed because he was rejected for one of the crier positions because his
vocal chords were deemed to be overworked due to frequent outrage.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
I tried to access Wikileaks in Korea. One link I cannot connect to, but this one I can.
http://213.251.145.96/
Try it out yourself
(eidt: they got to this link too-- gone/pulled)
far left loon >.<
PRAVDA has criticized The Americans that they are shutting down Free Speech.
PRAVDA!!!!!!!!!!!!!.
Pravda is truth.
(America is very easy to criticize, and should be, often.)
far left loon >.<
Looks like it's time for people to learn to proxy. What a BS that you have to proxy when doing nothing even close to illegal.
Bite my shiny metal ass.
http://www.startalkradio.net/
No.
NOBODY 2012
Here in Iraq we have been getting DoD reports warning us not to access any web pages with wikilinks info or if we do not to comment on them. as Federal employees our commenting could be seen as approval of the leaking of documents that are still considered classified (none of the wikileaks documents were unclassified so this is considered a terrible breach of security).
I would suggest that people look up the term OPSEC as the wikileaks thing fall under that.
I like my security position and do not want to lose my clearance for commenting on classified, critical or sensitive information. The DoD has a point, none of the documents were officially declassified and are still viewed as classified informaion (just because it's not marked top secret does not mean that it's not sensitive information, intelligence doesn't work that way).
When angry, count four, when very angry, swear.
-Mark Twain-
How is the provision of freedom to those oppressed people going?
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
I'm stuck on camp Victory this deployment.
When angry, count four, when very angry, swear.
-Mark Twain-
Latest FaBlog: Mr. Buttle and Mr. Assange
Yes. We still have complete paranoids and total pranksters who are able to send out stupid memos. The difference is they are now transmitted electronically, leaked and linked, and written up by blogs who interpret them in all sorts of ways to their readers
who in turn comment and e-mail others. In this wonderful world valid, invalid, and inconsequntial information passes quickly and many are unable to discern the difference.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
We seem to have lost sight of the real target. The bad guy in not WikiLeaks or the guy from WikiLeaks. We really should be after the one that gave this to them. That is your traitor. WikiLeaks just published what they were given, or if in fact they hacked this info themselfs, then they are some of the problem. Seems our security is the real problem. If you can not keep this safe we have a real problem.
Go after HOW they got the info and WHO gave it to them.
How can this information still be regarded as fully classified? I get that technically it hasn't been declassified, but for god's sake, it's everywhere! Newsflash: this info is no longer secret.
The worm has turned. Ain't no stoppining it now. Attempts to intimiate the population will only result in Wikileaks times 1,000.
If neocons can call for the blood of inocent people unopposed on Fox Spews 24/7, then screw 'em.
They don't worry too much about law and order when it suits their purposes, what should we care about what they have to say about viewing Wikileaks? Ain't no stopping hundreds of millions of Americans from viewing the website. Do as you want, you're not breaking any laws and there's nothing anybody can do about it besides make threats.
F@ck NO this sh@t is not America, indeed it's AmeriKKKa
wikileaks brought this all on themselves as they went waaaay too far this time. their actions do not label themselves as a friend of america... instead, by their own actions they've basically declared themselves an enemy of america.
consorting with anyone who's declared themselves an enemy of america is going to have serious consequences not just from america but from all the other countries who don't want wikileaks to do to them what wikileaks already did to america.
wikileaks really blew it.
Surely there is at least as high a probability that these documents were deliberately leaked by the state dept. as that they were not.
Consider that to the extent that Hillary's state dept. looks duplicitous in its dealings with other countries that only lends credence to her capabilities.
Have a problem with a leftover Bush appointee? Leak his cables and adios.
Have a problem with a foreign minister? Leak cables about him and embarrass him and weaken his credibility in his own country.
This leak has a least as many strategic diplomatic uses that benefit the administration and the U.S. as it may have potential harms.
Far more interesting than the question of what was leaked is what wasn't.
George Will says a government's job is to keep secrets.
Perhaps. But why, and keep secrets from whom?
The American public? Yes.
Goverment employees? Yes.
Foreign governments? Doubtful - they very likely already know what we're up to.
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