WaPo's "Dean" David Broder, WSJ's John Harwood, PBS's Gwen Ifill and the Politico's Roger Simon damn Hillary Clinton with the faint praise of not being as bad as you'd suspect...Why is it that the phrase "concern troll" keeps wafting through my head listening to them?
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Frist!
She is doing a good job...whether people like it or not.
In 2004 the media elites warned against a Dean nomination and spoke highly of Kerry, then turned around and created a media campaign to make sure his name was stomped to the floor (and he was a wealthy moderate himself). My cynical guess is that they believe Clinton is the least threatening to their, and people like their, status and are pushing for her nod as a result. Come the '08 election, they'll repeat the story and the shining anti-terrorist record (man are my eyes tired of rolling) record of Rudy will become the new you could have a beer with Bush pr campaign. Manufacturing consent.
It appears that corporate money & corporate media is swinging toward the center-left crowd of the Demo party.
Beat the Press is so corporate media it smells.
You can own where Bush put his ass....
Where the ass put his ass.
Clintons one of the elite, thats why theres been so little in terms of attacks on her. She'll simply continue the same agenda the Bush/Cheney white house has been pushing for if elected.
We're in the midst of suffering through a Bush dynasty. Why in the world would anyone want to submit to a Clinton? I always thought the Adamms family was one enough.
Which of the candidates think that Dick Cheney and George Bush should be impeached and indicted. They have my vote.
I like the term Concern Troll Media much better than Mainstream Media. It's so much more accurate. :-P
It is very interesting ( to me, anyway ) to hear how differently H. Clinton is spoken of in the "Media" vis-a-vis ALL of the other candidates...No one ever calls that bitch Guiliani a bitch, or even calls any of these "guys" "mean-spirited"..wonder if it has anything to do with her being a woman??
"Hillary not so bad?" Was this an Earth broadcast?
MIke7474 @ 2:
A good job being a politician?... So a good job being personable?... cracking a joke at her own expense at the demagogue the right wing built up?
A good job making people think that "Well she is not a raging, cold bitch after all!"
Sorry...
That does not cut it for me... I tend to think a bit deeper then just surface appearances ... (unlike a disgusting majority of the zombified on both the left and right in this country)..
I cannot look at her or many politicians today ...with out seeing a mountain of corpses behind them...
The only difference between the Repugs and Demons at that level is .. The repugs will eat those bodies right in front of you... and the Dems will not, and they will try to hide the mountain behind drapes...(then chow down when you turn your back)
It's The Economy Stupid.
Notice none of them ever talk about that anymore?
I just finished reading the 6/4/7 issue of The Nation which has an article detailing the corporate members of Clinton's campaign. Her pollster has done some pretty disreputable work with big tobacco, big Pharma, the health care industry and anti-union activities. Some pretty unpalatable work. His defense is thatz he, like Clinton, believes that it is more realistic to enlist corporations as partners for progressive goals instead of an adversarial dynamic (sound familiar?) The article describes Clinton as a gradualist whose views are very consistently liberal, as her voting record reflects, but she does not feel that politics can, as in Roosevelts day, shift it's power to get to a fully progressive American reality.
The more experienced, calm, cautious side of me says she's probably right, but all my instincts are on red alert. I just don't feel that the will to monopolize profits and markets can be over come with the best of intentions in politics and business.
I can't really get highly enthusiastic about her as I did for Eugene McCarthy, McGovern, Carter, Gore, Kerry or (Bill) Clinton, but as you no doubt noticed, only Bill Clinton lived up to my expectations.
Maybe it's time to stop thinking of ourselves as fans of a candidate and more about a good hard look at their record and their ability to function - get legislation through, build alliances.
BTW, Michael Moore has some interesting things to say about Hillary in "Sicko", which I caught at a sneak preview last night.
of course, it's a don't-miss. I think it's his best since Bowling for Columbine.
Milo
Hillary is looking like the next president right now and guess what..
She's not as good as she should be. If anybody thinks she is then they have low expectations.
She's not bad though.
There are real signs that she has sold out on many issues and she's watered down enough to make it through this heinous system we are operating under.
Hillary the Democarpet Bagger
Dancing with the Neocons with in Progressive Makeup
Sure the mainstream media is behind Hillary. She's a demicon. Her husband was the best Republican president we've ever had, and when you figure he spends as much time with Poppi Bush as his wife, well, connect the dots.
In her most recent appearance, Hillary bragged on the troops (Excuse me, they are doing what they are told, as I did in Vietnam), and she blamed the Iraqi government for the lack of progress toward peace and stability. Hillary blaming the victim! We've destroyed their country. Virtunally none of the reconstruction dollars are getting into Iraqi hands. We've kept the country in shambles arming every side of this conflict to insure we get the oil through this war and a puppet gov't now, or through the World Bank, later... as we've destroyed their economic infrastructue, not just their buildings and their lives.
This is not unexpected....
On June 4, the Iraqi Parliament passed a resolution to NOT extend the U.S. occupation of their country when the vote comes up at the end of the year. They have also refused to turn over 92% of their oil to Exxon/Cheveron; BP and Royal Dutch Shell. Something our oilmen and WH have been keen on since their first security cabinet meeting in January 2001.
The mainstream media did not report this "legislative" story out of Iraq.
Two days later, my paper ran a story with an anonymous "western diplomat" as the source under the headline: Iraqi Government on the Brink of Collapse.
The following weekend DoD Sec. Bob Gates, Rummy's reliever, commented on his disappoint in the Iraqi Government's progress. These are the people that didn't want to put benchmarks in the funding bill, now they are concerned about the Iraq government's progress.
No, the Neocons and the Demicons think America should rule the world, and the that the Middle East is just cake.
I expect we'll see some major turn over, deaths, resignations or new elections, in the Iraqi Parliament in September or October.
End the fascist nightmare and impeach.
Vote Paul or Richardson, and restore the Constitution and America.
Thats because they know they can't get away with saying.
"In order to be competitive with China and Mexico we have to lower our expectations and standards."
What the hell is The American Dream these days anyway?
Oh, it was a dream I forgot.
Meet the Press has the usual boring gang chewing on the same topic. Nothing new.
Why is it that the phrase “concern troll” keeps wafting through my head listening to them?
that is a question i cannot answer. i am still trying to figure out what a concern troll is. i have been called such on a couple of occasions...
i have come to the conclusion that it is a term used whenever people who do not like what they read or hear -- but rather that deal with the statement of contention, it is easier to attack with this rather meaningless term in hopes that the conversation will erode into pointless name-calling...
perhaps a handy way of describing somebody who is not a team player? sorry, folks, but -- as in all things -- diversity in thought is a good thing...
after all, we would not want to be like them...
Ezzy @ 19:
Insanity is doing or saying the same stuff over and over again and expecting different results.
She is doing a good job of....what?
Delivering for her corporate funders.
She'd better have a good margin of lead when the Dumbass Dems nominate her, because she won't get my vote.
Medical Diagnosis by Video @ 22:
Don't worry The New Blog Economy will save us. Everyone will have their own blog.
leakyboat, a "concern troll" is someone who pretends to be on your side ideologically, but expresses concern for non-existent problems or makes up straw-men to put your side down.
Broder is a perfect example of this...he will say things like "Democrats will never get Christians' votes, because they don't like religion." It's a patently false blanket statement that insults the intelligence of anyone who reads it, but then it gets repeated as conventional wisdom in the MSM.
In this case, the fact that we have a panel largely made up of rightwing media (Gwen Ifill is marginal) saying that maybe Hillary is doing well--that smacks of concern troll.
Their all wearing suits. Stupid freaking suits.
No!
a "concern troll" is someone who says,"I respect journalists very much but,,,they are aiding the terrorists with their coverage"
See that is not respecting journalists...it is a way to disarm the viewer...inotherwords.....what Nicole said.....
Meet the Yapper's
That would work
Russert will support Hillary in 2008 and not Edwards or Kerry.
Hillar = End of the World
Russert will support Hillary in 2008 and not Edwards or Kerry.
Hillary = End of the World
In this case, the fact that we have a panel largely made up of rightwing media (Gwen Ifill is marginal) saying that maybe Hillary is doing well--that smacks of concern troll.
I have to disagree with you, respectfully, of course, about Gwen Ifill. She's neither rightwing nor marginal. I consider myself pretty left-leaning, and I don't believe I've ever heard her veer one way or the other. I feel that when I listen to her I get the truth. She does her job. My two cents.
The media and the establishment Democratic Party are trying to force Mrs. Clinton down our throats. She hasn't been all that bad lately? The last three news stories I remember about her are 1) she's got a theme song, 2) she did a cute little video with Bill based on the Sopranos and 3) she bashed Bush which, BTW, all of us ordinary Americans have been doing for years. Du-uh. I go back to Walter Mondale, and I want to know, "Where's the beef?"
Gwen, Suarez, and Lehrer aren't going to make waves or rock the boat. They go along to get along.
Usually, when you throw a pile of turds into a warming pot, more than one floats to the surface.
For '08, all we have is Hillary.
So far.
naschkatze @ 31:
Hell the Clintons bashed Gore when he got the election stolen from him.
Hillary got some love from Matthews(!) and his guests today, too.
She's running one of the best campaigns we've seen in awhile. Good for her!
L.A. Confidential @ 32:
Go down to the Lara Logan thread and read what she said. Is the purpose of news to "rock the boat," or to inform us about what's going on so we can make up our own minds? I submit, respectfully, that "The News Hour" only exists to inform. It isn't to persuade or entertain. "Go along to get along"--that's Katie Couric's and Tim Russert's job.
Hillary disturbs me when i think.....how can you like someone and dislike them at the same time?
What a bunch of clueless spin doctors. Edward Bernays, “the man who sold the world”, the man who made the American women smoke using a few sociotechniques within a few short weeks and much, much more, would be certainly proud. Or would he? Seeing how the few elites of this nation misused the macro management techniques of the masses, meaning, looking at the American people as 300 million lifeless objects on a playing board, thinking of them as simple moving objects that make the life and economic cycle of the nation running, considering them as essential parts of a grand experiment, not humans, just pieces of the puzzle that can only be solved, or executed, by the influential few of this country, be they the presidents, politicians, mayors or the corporate or foreign masters, and repeated if no mistakes are made, again, and again. Seeing how the powers were mishandled by the Bush/Cheney organization in the White House and their corporate backers, I think that we can safely say that Edward Bernays would be rather disappointed. Who would have thought that the people would gain the powers, the freedom of expression through the web of infinite information, that essentially counter the theory and the powers it entails. The moment when the spin no longer works which is quite franakly NOW, things could get pretty f****** g shaky. Bloody and terrorist? Let’s just say shaky.
guess who the leading dem is in getting monies from the health care industry???
thats right...its hillary
if you idiots accept her, you are accepting another corporate shill
she has no soul
but go ahead...allow the msm to tell you who to support
Wow, nice new comment section. I think that Hillary is too conservative, and camouflages to various viewpoints more so than others. This concerns me.
RobertD @ 36:
News Hour is very conservative. Which is what it's meant to be. Sometimes though it pisses me off when they play up to some of these assholes on script. Kind of like. . "It's a war, there's nothing we can do to change it, and next up we have Katrina Revisited. Did Bush do the right thing?"
It gets annoying.
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Americans Are Brainwashed @ 40:
She won't have Bill Gates and the Dot Com - 90'sTech Boom coat tails to ride either this time.
I doubt she's going to run on our crumbling infrastructure. How many young people want to lay in mud puddles welding broken water lines back together or clinging to telephone poles replacing transformers that blow every three months? Filling potholes in 100 degree heat.
Establishment media's objective: push SHILLary...estroy John Edwards...Barak Obama? We don't think he can win so who cares?
LA Confidential at 41, I'm not sure how you took my comment. I meant that Mrs. Clinton is without substance.
Ooops, that's LA Confidential at 34.
How could the wife of a former president, even be in this position? Or turn it around, how could a husband of a former leader be eligible? This is BS. Hillary Clintoon is as much an assclown as Shrub is. The corporate strings are tied to her legs in the same fashion as Shrub Jr's. I've said it before and I'll say it again. It's damn depressing when out of 300 million people, the best the political rich white male leaders can offer is the same g-damn families over and over. What the heck is next? Chelsea gonna run in next election? Bush twins the one after?
...a “concern troll” is someone who pretends to be on your side ideologically, but expresses concern for non-existent problems or makes up straw-men to put your side down...
then i can see how we can all be perceived to be concern trolls, and all the more so if we attempt to walk down the middle, keep an open mind, and honestly comment on what it is that we observe...
your definition, nicole, contains three disturbing perceptions: the perception of pretense, the perception of problems that do not exist, and the perception of straw men. all of these have real existential counterparts separated only by a different perception...
i will grant you that those, who adopt these tactics in order to deceive, deserve to be held accountable for their deception -- assuming that they themselves are not deluded. but i hope that we do not come to these judgments too quickly. our perceptions are not our reality or the truth. our nation needs a people who can tell that difference...
having been called a concern troll on many occasions myself, though, has led me to believe that it is just another way by which society -- or some segment of society -- seeks my conformity...
and to that i say, bugger off!
but i get the sense, nicole, of what you are saying...
For some reason this video is now wrong. I keep getting the Pat Buchanan end of the world video instead.
Oh and one vote against the new comments. I really liked the old format that did not require me to leave the C&L main page to read/post.
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One quote in this interview was quite telling. After saying that Bloomberg won't have the advantage of all those little contributors voting for him, one of the media says "but he will have US!"
It is pretty interesting how hard they tried to ignore Obama in this interview. When Russert mentioned that Obama was ahead in the North Carolina polls, the talking head answered "Yes, Edwards is doing well." The overal tone was that neither of the competitors really had much of a chance, although Obama wasn't quite totally out of the race yet.
The plan, of course, is to have Hillary run and then dump on her. With luck they figure that they can get back the Senate as well. There is plenty of ammo that they are holding back on, starting with who actually paid Bill $10 million last year. It is pretty tough for a sitting Senator to avoid conflicts of interest when her spouse is raising eyebrows with $100,000+ a pop speeches in front of industry interest groups.
Silly me, I thought the end of America as we know it was when the Surprime Court appointed Dubya to the White House. But OH, I see now, it's the Mexicans we need to worry about. Thanks Pat, I was a little mixed up there for a minute, but you fixed me. thank you!
TIMMEH!!! is as fullocrap as ever. But at least he's not chrissie-with-the-mancrush. But then again, it's hillary we're talking about, right?
they want so much for her or obama to be the frontrunner. that's why I can't support either. One is murdoch's fave and the other has two LIEberman advisors.
sorry, no DLC/DSCC/DCCC for me! Only the DNC for me.
leakyboat @ 49:
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WTF was that? Did it make any sense to you? It made no sense to me! are you british, aussie, canadian, stupid, French? What?
oh i get concern troll! factsonly , yeh
leakyboat @ 49:
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FYI, this wasn't about you, but thanks for the confession. it explains how nonsensical and pointless your post was. great definition, though! :)
George @ 51:
George at 51, agreed about the media and how they're working. The cover of this month's Fortune has Mrs. Clinton on it, and the caption that Big Business Loves Hillary.
Hillary is the GOP choice for the DEMs. For anyone with truly progressive values, she is not our candidate. She is just as bad as Bush when it comes to every decision being a political one. I hope when we start counting the primary votes, the DEMs are smart enough to look elsewhere for a candidate that can win in the general election, because it is not Hillary.
I am just as tired of the automatic defensive response to anything resembling some kind of honest assessment of her highness as I am with the msm overcompensating for the 90s by letting her skate on everything and gushing about her.
Hillary is running for president. She needs to stand up on her own and be judged and questioned, assessed and discussed pro and con the same as her opponets. Everytime anyone gives an honest answer about her that is not gushing you guys go on auto pilot defensive. Please!
If Hillary wants to be president then there has to be talk in the media about the downside of Hillary, her questionable activities and associates, her sky high negatives, ect. At this rate the media is too afraid to say anything really honest about her and as a result they resort to gushing and covering for her and then, the low info voters think she must be wonderful;
And then, we end up with this republican lite as our nominee.
In other words, quit it!
naschkatze @ 31:
And I've been asking the same thing. Media kept bitching about Obama and if he's an empty suit. He talks policy and they complain he is not charismatic like he use to be. blah blah.
But, with Hillary it's all roses and sunshine. They talk endlessly about her fabulousness and how she is our nominee (months before our primaries) and never ask the tough questions or hold her to the same standards.
She has yet to talk about policy. She panders and throws red meat and they proclaim her brilliant. I, too, keep wondering "where's the Beef?"
The first woman President. Bill Clinton as First Gentleman. Neocons and Conservatives fuming. I vote Hillary.
The day someone is born with the ability to psychically clear away the influences of bigotry, ignorance, greed and fear from a majority of the minds of the electorate is the day a rational intelligent wise person becomes electable. Until then stop vilifying mortals like Hilary for making compromises that are assured to displease somebody.
Hillary was willing to take on the status quo at the national level in the 1980's when she was a mere First Lady. What will the Presidency allow her to achieve?
you think "concern troll" 'cause you spend too much time at dk. that phrase means nothing and is only used by blog bullies to silence dissent. "concerned" about darfur? troll.
hillary is an awful candidate, a corporatist to the heart who allowed celine dion to give a branded voice to her campaign. she can't even speak out against the potential of a pardon for libby. ug.
Hillary scares me. I think the big problem I will have after she gets the nod (lets hope she doesn't) will be whether to support her just so we don't get a republican....
Or go out and "waste" my vote on a third party candidate or a write in for Al Gore.
MTP? Because they want her to win the primary?
(And they know America isn't electing a woman president any time soon.)
Joe Biden would make a very good president.
Hillary would make a good mess of it all.
The American political system, as it stands today, is a lost cause and Hillary is the most recent evidence.
Hillary Clinton is the lowest common denominator, and a mediocre finger-to-the-wind candidate on her approach to the issues. Yes, she will do a good job perpetuating the system that produced her, which is mainly characterized by corporate $$$ feeding back influence into the machine for its own benefit, on the backs of the lower and middle classes of course.
Hillary was in favor of the Iraq invasion at the beginning despite history's unending instruction that foreign adventures are expensive, tenuous in their prospect, and morally bankrupt. The most cursory review of the history of US foreign interventions will show that elite financial interests are the reason behind most of them, while the job of the politicians and the media is to dissimulate with various well-orchestrated ruses. The blood of perhaps 200,000 Iraqui civilians stain the hands of the zombies that put this abominable machine into motion, with Hillary right out front setting the pace.
Hillary, just as all the other candidates save Kucinich and Paul, represents the well-established and dominant strain of hubris, arrogance, and self-rightiousness in American politics that would have itself believe that it can remake the world in its own image (and that that is a good and desirable thing-even imperative!), and in that fundamental sense, her candidacy represents continuity of the Bush regime on the deepest level. Her recent comments on the Iraqui government are only the latest indication of this mindset.
She now says that the ensuing chaos is the fault of the "Iraqui" government, right in line with what the Bush propaganda machine would have wanted. Now we can blame the "incompetent" Iraquis for our own monster creation so that it can be undermined, then the oil companies can have their field day. This was one of the principal reasons for the invasion, although yet still the vast majority of self-duped citizens refuse to admit this obvious reality to themselves.
There is no significant difference between the viable Democratic and Republican candidates this time around. Hillary is now the torch bearer, so it is natural for the MSM talking puppets to gush forth their approval.
Hillary Clinton is the corporate candidate. This sort of dialogue is meant to help SELL her as a candidate, not undermine here. If they really wanted to bury Hillary Clinton, they'd ignore here.
I don't get all these posts on Hillary around here, that seem to paint her as some kind of darkhorse candidate. What a laugh.
BaScOmBe @ 54:
WTF was that? Did it make any sense to you? It made no sense to me!
wtf was what? did the notions expressed in 49 fly past like a fastball? read it again, slowly, my friend, one sentence at a time. one word at a time, if necessary. stop at the end of each idea and think about it for a moment. otherwise, just put it down and let it be...
i mean, if you have a question, ask. if you understood nothing? meh...
are you british, aussie, canadian, stupid, French? What?
really, you have me wondering, my friend. are you really inclined to equate the british, aussies, canadians, or the french with stupid? actually, i am none of the above...
After 7 long years of Bush, the Dems cannot be serious about putting Hillary up as the Democratic nominee. This is just horrible. Please let this not be happening! They say she is leading in the polls, but never mention the polsters. One such poll was done supposedly by USA Today, a right wing slanted newspaper! I just don't believe it! Since the right wing owns the media, they are forcing Hillary down everyone's throat, and having everyone believe she will be the Democratic nominee. We cannoth let this happen, no matter what. Hillary is not progressive, and she panders heavily to the right and to big corporations. If she gets in, it will be 8 more years of what we just had with Bush! Please folks don't let her win the primaries in your states. You will be very sorry if you do.
Who cares what Broder thinks?
Now Roger Simon, although I disagree with him about Hillary, had a great analysis: "after 8 years of George Bush the American people want competence this time...not who you want to go to the bar and have a beer with". Bravo!
> Now Roger Simon, although I disagree with him about Hillary, had a great analysis: “after 8 years of >George Bush the American people want competence this time…not who you want to go to the bar and >have a beer with”. Bravo!
And the best part is that Bush isn't even competent to have a beer with because he's a dry drunk.
So, in reality, he was the kind of guy you'd want to go to a bar and NOT have a beer with?
I think Clinton could handle a shot or two.
Milo
Those panelists have confirmed what I had a feeling about all along: once she gets out there, makes her speeches and bes who she is, reasonable people will conclude that the parade of -isms and name-calling was for nothing. All of the detractors in the world can't change that she's down-to-earth and practical and that it comforts potential voters.
Milo @ 72:
He's the kind of guy you would want to go to a bar and hand him your beer...and then while his hands are occupied stomp on his feet and toss him out the door onto his tush.
Milo @ 72:
He's the kind of guy you want to go to a bar and hand him a beer...and while his hands are occupied, stomp on his feet and toss him out the door onto his tush.
if hillert wins will she invite babs and bushes old cocksucker buddy bush senior to the whitehouse to exchange funny storys about katrina! and eat the hired help
its late forget about it
Hillary is the corporate media's bitch. Seriously. Why else do you think they're pushing so hard for a candidate that the left is lukewarm-at-best about and the right loathes so intensely that they don't even notice how frequently Hillary leans rightward? Because she'll give Big Media whatever they ask for. Break the cycle, let's put the Clintons and Bushes back on the damn shelf for at least a few generations and give someone else a chance to run the country for a while. They could hardly do worse.
tyree @ 76:
Then we will just swiftboat her with the images of Bill & Bush Senior Friendship Coalition, hell, Clinton could have picked Carter, Gore, whoever to promote "peace, justice and prosperity", but Bushes are totally different league for the Clintons, they are the league you stick with, ain't they?!! Geez. Mark these words. We shall swiftboat the f**k out of the Bush/Clinton alliance so when the job is over, 95% of the Dems who would think by voting for Clinton, they'd vote for THEIR president, will eventually vote for the Independent, whoever he will be. Will it achieve anything? It will achieve one think, you will cast the vote with self-respect and make some marginal sense of this "democracy" unlike any other there is. And there are plenty. It may be Al Gore, Ron Paul, it may not be Bloomberg and Lieberman, one thing is certain, IT CANNOT BE this lady. Democracy shouldn’t be a game for citizens, lesser evils shouldn’t be the choices in democracies, they should be the choices in bloody regimes. Period.
The dynasty rules were good in the Medieval ages, and if the Kennedy era couldn’t really work out too well, 30 years of Clinton/Bush reign in this century is just surreal and ludicrous, and hopefully the corporate/media people will realize this sooner rather than later. Some may say that the Americans are still manipulatable. And what really gives them this laughable, unlikely impression? The fact that supposedly the nation cares more about Paris and her tiny world than anything else that's going on in the world? The fact that supposedly the nation knows more about Paris and her tiny world than anything else that's going on in the world? Will you be lured to buy an I-Phone a week from now? No, an average American can't afford I-Phones, so the Blackberry users will just switch the phones and you will be told it's so hot that the Americans are storming the stores to buy it, reassuring you and me that our country and economy is doing well, even though it is the opposite, the wars are killing it, because a service based economy can’t afford nation building. Never could, never will. By the way, 99% of Americans don’t give a f**k about Hilton, only the media make you feel they do by covering her and the newly murdered lady for 20 hours every freakin’ day. Clinton is a myth, a creation, a phony sell like the I-Phone, a bet that the US media and their owners make to fool us to their own advantage, meaning guaranteed stable ripped profit off the lowest, low and middle classes. My bet is this struggling nation today is informed enough not to make any more costly mistakes. Enough is enough.
Jeon Ji-Yung @ 78:
yeah...
think about it for a moment : 300 million people? maybe 200 million are eligible by birth? maybe 100 million are otherwise eligible? maybe a couple of million are qualified and smart enough? the best we can do is another bush or another clinton? i mean, there has got to be somebody around who's a better choice than these options...
Hm, assuming that poor Paris will behave and be normal from now on, at least that's what she said, it looks like a jail time is the way to go, it seems like the true criminals need to go through this particular path in life if they commit bloody crimes that need to be punished in this nation of law. I hope that the Dems follow this telling example this time around, finally, and do the right thing. At least start drafting the papers, or better yet, borrow the finished docs from Dennis and impeach the god damned bast**ds.
Please Hillary, GO AWAY!. I don't want to hear one word out of you centrist, pseudo republican mouth you bitch! We just had Bush #2 and who the fuck wants Clinton #2 now? Okay, all of you in "support", figure out where our fucked country will be in another four years (and perhaps another four after that!) - or figure out where our country will be when Hillary (Rodham-centrist-right wing -fuck up) loses the 2008 election to Git Romney or Paris Hilton. You Hillary people are playing right into the GOP hands and not even for a "slightly good" candidate. Fuck you all is all I have to say! Is she really worth it? bush, clinton, bush, clit? Puleeeeeeeze! Dog Shit would make a more reputable President. Vote Obama and if Gore runs, run that wind-blowing-bitchometer out of the race altogether!! Please, God! A new "mind" in the White House!!!!! Not another Clinton! I loved Bill by the way, however, how many fucking Dynasty fans are there and why?!!!!
It was just nice to hear so many positive things said by so many different people for a change.
This is the big set up by republicans. Tout her, praise her, decide for the masses that she, the Hillary, gets the democratic nomination. Then the republicans win the general election in '08 and they retain control of the White House.
smarmy @ 84:
Considering that Murdoch supports Hillary, I've come to the same conclusion - that they are supporting her among the Democratic candidates, because she will be easy to win against in the primaries.
Concern trolls? Not even. That was an act of corporatist lackeys paying homage to one of their own. If they can't get a Republican elected, and they know they won't, she's the next best thing. They want her to win.
Poor Richard @ 67:
Poor Richard,
Very well said. Add to that her stance on torture, that she - and her campaign - is up to her ears in lobbyists, that she accepts campaigm fundraiser help from Rupert Murdoch....No thanks. I find it most extremely difficult to detect any substantive difference between her and Lieberman. Bags of ambition in human suits.
I won't vote for any ticket that contains a corporatist. I hope that I won't be sitting this election out, or leaving the space blank.
This is a balanced panel? Give me a break--Gwen Ifill has Condolezza Rice over for dinner, Broder is a total media whore, Harwell writes for WSJ and the other guy writes for the insanely right-wing Politico. Is there anybody on TV that is at least a little bit liberal? No wonder the Internet is such a success--it's the only place you can go for any solace.
howz this for a campaign slogan:
HILLARY, SHE'S NOT AS BAD AS YOU THINK.
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adman,
Are you nuts? She is part of the one world order organization.
I for one, will not trust her.
Period.
"one of their own" You people have lost your mind.
This isn't a video game; politics are not won by revolutionary ideas, unless it involves violence (see, Revolutionary War, see Civil War) **NOT advocating violence.
Sooo give it up trying to make Hillary Clinton out as some horrible horrible (on the same level as the shrub) woman. It disgusts me, and amazes me of how politically inept some people are. If you can't play the game, NOTHING will get accomplished, but another Republican.
It's TRUE! The LESSER of two evils...that's how it is RIGHT NOW, like it or not. Would I like a true change from the corporatist crap? ABSOLUTELY! America NEEDS it...But for anyone looking at VOTING records for God's sake, would see she's a liberal, and is the female version of Obama...identical voting records.
Stop pulling crap out and calling her evil, when it's mysogyny at the root...I don't care what anyone says. Not everyone is against a woman being President, but it's funny the names and accusations leveled against her, are part and parcel of male candidates. (She's aggressive, opportunistic, ambitious)
AND?! Hillary 08
WHY HILLARY SCARES ME. BY SEN.Mike GRAVEL @ HUFF. POSt
During one of the debates I mentioned that my fellow Democratic candidates scare me. Hillary's speech last week to the Take Back America conference gives me yet another reason to be afraid.
In an indignant voice she decried the Bush administration's ''stunning record of secrecy and corruption, of cronyism run amok. . . It is everything our founders were afraid of, everything our Constitution was designed to prevent.'' Actually, our Constitution grants Congress the power to prevent these ills but Hillary and her colleagues weren't up to the task.
Our founders' legacy did not stop Hillary from voting for the Patriot Act and then supporting its renewal in 2006 despite revelations that the government was using it to infringe on the very liberties that our founders held sacred. Where was her commitment to our founders when she voted to gut our habeas corpus protections?
As for cronyism -- Hillary has repeatedly authorized billions that the Pentagon gave in no-bid contracts to Halliburton. Even though the Democrats have been in control of Congress for months, they still haven't summoned Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld and the other usual suspects to account for the missing millions in reconstruction funding.
When I think about how Congress enabled Bush's corruption and cronyism, I'm reminded of the lines from Shakespeare's Julius Caesar:
And why should Caesar be a tyrant then?
Poor man! I know he would not be a wolf,
But that he sees the Romans are but sheep:
He were no lion, were not Romans hinds.
In the same frightening speech, Hillary went on the blame the Iraqis for the mess in their country: "The American military has succeeded. It is the Iraqi government which has failed to make the tough decisions that are important for their own people.''
Let me get this straight. The Iraq disaster is not the fault of the delusional neo-cons, the greedy oil companies, or the gullible and cowardly Congressional warhawks. (Most senators including Clinton didn't even bother to read the 90-page National Intelligence Estimate). According to Hillary, the real culprit is the Iraqi government that we created virtually overnight and left to govern a fractured, impoverished society. Talk about blaming the victim!
Hillary, as an active supporter of the war, you are one of many Americans who are guilty. And now all Americans are left responsible, regardless of whether we supported or opposed he war. When we pull out, our hands will drip with the blood of the tens of thousands of American casualties and hundreds of thousands of Iraqi dead. The Iraqi government didn't start this, we did.
Of course we can continue to compartmentalize ourselves from the truth, remove the troops and blame the rubble on the Iraqis. We can feed the collective fantasy that our good intentions and heroic efforts were thwarted by the cowardice and incompetence of others. But if that's what we take from our experience in Iraq, we will never learn the true lessons and we will be condemned to repeat the same mistakes.
The inability to admit a mistake and assume responsibility is not just a morally bankrupt way to walk through life; it is a dangerous and deadly way to lead a nation. When I am president, I will open up all secret files relating to the Iraq war and expose all officials who lied to the public in promoting it. (That's right, Dick, your files too.) My Justice Department will prosecute everyone who lied under oath or ripped off the American taxpayer by exploiting the Iraq reconstruction effort. And I will pardon to no one.
I am so sick of these right wing bastards, deciding all of our political agenda using these fake polls and black people for show.
Gwen Ifel or what ever her name is, is so very disgusting as she is exactly one of the black Americans these media stations have baught and paid for.
She is so ignorant, she never made a sound about Don Imas disrespecting her ass , until he was blasted by the entire country for his disrespecting those young girls.
There is no way in hell, any real black American woman could tollerate that kind of crap.
Not even for the money and yet she and there are other's that fit that sick mode and they just skin and grin their hearts out or I guess all the way to the bank..
This is another reason I continue to argue, to get real black Americans in media that will never tolerate that kind of injustice for a job.
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