Daily Show: Cheney's Dick Move: 2001 flip flop
By SilentPatriot Monday Jun 25, 2007 11:09am
Jon examines Vice President Cheney's latest audacious claim of being not only above the rule of law, but also residing outside the traditional three branches of government.
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Exit question: What do you think the founding fathers would have to say about the Vice President of the United States claiming to be independent of the Executive branch? Would they buy the logic (or lack thereof)?
At the 5 minute mark you'll see a 2001 interview on Nightline that tells it all. July 25th 2001---Cheney uses executive privilege to shield himself and the president against his energy task force...Nice catch TDS...
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The Founding Fathers would have said.
"Guillotine or firing squad, Mr. Cheney."
I think the founding fathers would be aghast at the idea of a vice president who wields this much power. That office was meant to act as a "spare" president in case the president should somehow be rendered unable to execute the duties of his office. Cheney has access to power that no VP in history could have dreamed of. Even Truman wasn't let in on the atom bomb until after FDR had died. The VP was always kept relatively weak in order to keep him from interfering with the president and gaining the ability to pull off a coup.
the 'no-nads' dems!
so much promised, so little delivered.
I guess I'll just have to settle for comic relief in this amurkkkan madhouse!
I don't think there is a single thing we can do as US citizens.
This turd, Dick Cheney, is going to be floating in the toilet bowl until Bush and his criminal gang's term is up.
I would like to see Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld all go to jail, but it will never ever happen.
They are untouchable
I don't think there should be any attempt at all to fix this until a Democratic administration has enjoyed the same abuse of power for eight years. And every time the Republicans whine about it the Dems just say "Cheney set precedent."
The founding fathers would have grabbed Cheney by the ears and pounded his head off of the sidewalk until his pea brains ran wet and gooey.
CHENEY, YOU FUCK, you are doomed!
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Did he have to use his hands?
I think at this point along the line, the founding fathers would have formed a coalition of colonies to rebel and through off the oppression of King George and his criminally incompetent governors.
That said, I imagine after reviewing the last 230 years of US History, I think they'd have tossed up their hands and just been happy the entire nation hadn't ripped itself to shreds yet.
Still, I imagine Ben Franklin would want to give Big Dick a stern talking to.
"dick move" lol
One can only hope
If you think Dick Cheney is having a rough time, check out "Giuliani's Very Bad Week."
I am pretty confident the founding fathers' response would be along the lines of, "Go Cheney yourself!"
Cheney has promoted himself to be the only living founding father so he can reform the government however he wishes. Under his vision the VP is the power; the president is only the figurehead-in-chief.
Bush's legacy: the only president that wasn't the president.
The term 'tar and feather' comes to mind.
After they got over their shock and dismay - I think they'd laugh themselves silly.
ysbaddaden @ 8:
His pacemaker has a second "secret" wire.
george washington would stomp cheney into a pool of black goo...
Founding Fathers would tell Dick to read 32 CFR 2800.
Founding fathers would remind Dick that Congressman Waxman today sent a letter to WH Counsel in re SEcurity Compliance. In the notes (bottom) on page 4of8 of Waxman's letter there is a reference to 32 CFR section 2001, not 32 CFR 2800 which applies to OVP.
Waxman Sent A Letter:
http://oversight.house.gov/documents/20070626110513.pdf
Ref:
http://oversight.house.gov/story.asp?ID=1382
Founding Fathers' Possible Suggestion
Share your information with Michael Gordon or David Rapallo of the Committee staff at (202) 225-5420; and encourage them to discuss with Waxman 32 CFR 2800.
Congressman Waxman is looking for any information which may shed light into any of the OVP/WH security issues. If you know someone who may have been assigned to, or friends with someone who may have known something about this, encourage them to review the issues and forward their anecdotes to Congressman Waxman.
Founding Fathers' Possible Backup
A. 32 CFR 2800: Requirements on OVP to Comply with Executive Orders and Security Guidelines
http://law.justia.com/us/cfr/title32/32-6.2.9.19.1.html
B. Founding Father's possible suggested FOIA Preparation in re 32 CFR 2800:
http://www.citizensforethics.org/node/29193#comment-6939
C. Founding fathers' possible sample desposition questions from George Washington:
http://www.citizensforethics.org/node/29175#comment-6729
D. Founding fathers' possible sample questions from Thomas Jefferson in re EOP/OVP Counsel in re Atty Stanards of Conduct, wrt 32 CFR 2800:
http://www.citizensforethics.org/node/29175#comment-6707
E. Founding fathers' possible discovery plan for James Madison in re OVP invalid invocation of Executive Privildge to hide violations of 32 CFR 2800:
http://www.citizensforethics.org/node/29170#comment-6693
F. Founding fathers' possible Media Alert to Ben Franklin:
http://www.citizensforethics.org/node/29193#comment-6937
G. Speaker Pelosi Aware:
http://www.speaker.gov/blog/?p=517
H. Public knows:
http://atrios.blogspot.com/2007_06_24_archive.html#4042733586686326449
I sent the Daily Show an e-mail saying I disagreed with Jon's claim that chenney would use his finger to wag at us and tell us to go f ourselves. I suggested that it would actually be more likely chenney would use it to kancho us.
Kancho: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kancho
Dang, that was funny.
Cheney really has to be stopped. His arrogance is amazing. Impeach the whole lot of them, but Cheney first. A stake through the heart might not be a bad idea either.
Which Founding Fathers are you talking about. Is it those slave owning, no civil rights for women or minorities ones, or is it the fantasy ones that have been sold to America. Have any of you read anything at all about them. Have you read anything about what a disgusting vicious creep the real Thomas Jefferson was. Have you read about how he used the Turd Blossoms of his time to smear Adams, Hamilton etc.
Those guys were not the Secular Saints that you folks are proclaiming them to be. Hamilton lived a Bill Clinton like married life, and he suffered a worse faith. Cheney is as American as Apple Pie. Enough with the self deluded attempts to pretend that he is an aberration. He is not. He is just one in a long line of similar American Leaders.
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Never thought I'd see a VP as bad as Spiro. Cheney makes him look like Mother Theresa.
Dana Perino seems awfully smug. I can't wait until these sorry fucks and their endless parade of blonde true-believer fembots are out of office.
It is, after all, just a goddamned piece of paper.
I think the founders would have him tarred, feathered, and run out of town on a rail.
When is the Washington Press Corps(e) going to just throw up its hands and walk away from the President's yes-men? These people are the worst criminals in the history of American Government!
Cheney is a complete and utter traitor and our politicians on both sides are too worried about theirselves to fight for what is right in America. This guy needs to be removed from any and all government office immediately!
The constitution is actually a little vague about the location of the office of the Vice President -- it is mentioned in both Article I (the Legislative Branch) and Article II (the Presidency) -- though I think the Founding Fathers and every prior holder of the office would agree that it is part of the Executive Branch. Furthermore, if one actually checks the federal government's own website, one finds that they put it firmly within the Executive Branch. And of course, Cheney himself has tried in the past to claim executive privilege when he didn't want to disclose information about those secret energy meetings early in the administration.
These guys really need to get their story straight.
Ya know, we really shouldn't be surprised at Cheney's power. Bush has an MBA and comes from the corporate world (where, as we all know, he was a failure). Based on his MBA training, he views the presidency as a Chairman/CEO figure and the vice-presidency as the Chief Operating Officer. The CEO does the "vision thing" and lets the COO (often considered the executive "hit man") handle all the day-to-day operations. Cheney knew that's how Bush would run things, so he got himself installed as VP knowing he would have uncontrolled power.
I think both Aaron Burr AND Alexander Hamilton would have challenged Dickk Palpatine to a duel -- on the grounds of abuse of power -- and won, because Dick can't shoot straight.
Palpatine can't have it both ways. He can't claim executive privilege, then refuse to obey executive orders. He's one or the other must answer to SOMEONE. It's called checks and balances, and he needs to be carefully checked -- and balanced.
What would our founding fathers say..."We gave you a great republic and you fucked it up."
Seamus, they were also the guys who created the first government by the people, for the people with a worthy constitution that ended up limiting THEIR OWN Power by doing so. They built a beautiful framework that led to the ending of slavery, better women's rights than most of the rest of the world, and a freedom of speech unequalled at the time.
If they could see these greedy wanna be "Lords" divvying up America's spoils once again like the nobles of olde, they would indeed, be sickened.
The claim by Dick is so ridiculous, so ludicrous, so laughable, that he should be impeached just for even trying it out.
But, I think the Congress should play along with it. They are kinda. Look, the Congress is Article 1. They are the boss, not the executive. Ah, but Cheney isn't part of the executive. So he must not be part of the government. Fine and dandy, then he has no executive powers. None.
Don't just cut off the funding. Cut out his office entirely.
Also, since he is not part of the executive, he can be arrested and indicted for any number of the things he's done since he's been in office.
He's disregarded all sorts of subpoenas, etc. That's contempt of congress right there.
They need to just arrest him.
Speaking of shooting old guys in the face, now that the thug circle-jerk is about to fall apart, isn't it time they take aim at their faltering master? And give him the business?
I'm sorry but this comment system is far worse than haloscan.
How Many Laws Along The Way Can Can They Make?
The Teflon administration does it again. When is this just going to be against the god dam law? This shit is getting old. Very old indeed. Take your pick; this president and his cronies don’t respect the law, the congress, nor the American people. I say enough is enough; no more media misinformation and framing the issues as something to be debated. This shit they are doing is unlawful and we should refuse to take part in third party debate exercises about it.
I see an ugly dysfunctional practice being carried out. I thought no one, and I mean no one, is above the law? So what is going on? At what point does the Democratic congress take on this, not as an oversight, but as laws broken?
This vice president have went behind close doors with the greedy oil companies and worked out a way to turn the pricing structure on its heals and worked out a illegal way to bleed the American people out of Billions of dollars. This same vice president has involved his “old company” in supplying our troops after receiving no bid contracts. Americans have had to sit by and endure our tax paying wealth be loss and unaccounted for, taken without service rendered, and at times in cold, big block on pallets, dollars. I am mad, not angry, and something should be done. Impeach Bush and Chaney together, and if necessary, the whole Republican Party.
Joseph
Why in the fuck hasn't a single Dem stood up and said, "if you're not a part of the Executive Branch, then you can't claim 'Executive Privilege.' So, if you don't mind, we'll be having a look at those Energy Task Force minutes."
The swinging of the sword of humor is impressive and entertaining until you find out how dull the blade is. If CNN would suddenly report this in a serious way, THEN you would see change. This is good entertainment, but rather ineffective, in fact ,it might just defuse revolution.
Fade @ 30:
Nonsense. Slavery was ended in England long before in the USA. Women still do not have equal rights in the USA, and now the Gang of Five Christo Fascist Men on the Supreme Court have started taking away most of the rights that the Feminist movement had attained. I am always amazed at how so many secular humanists, are all too willing to canonize the nation's founders, and lovingly refer to them as The Founding Fathers. No women involved in that either. Talk about your immaculate conception.
Read about the Brehon Laws. A thousand years ago, there was at least one other place in the World granting Women more rights, than your band of White Men were willing to do in 1776.
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As usual, Stewart breaks it down more accurately than much of the MSM...
WHAT THE FUCK IS IT GOING TO TAKE TO IMEACH THESE ASSHOLES
modern developments, and most especially the 25th Amendment, render Cheney's arguments entirely disingenuous. At least since the Carter Administration, the Vice President routinely sits in on Cabinet meetings, may be given temporary custodianship of the presidency during the disability of the president, and may, if a majority of the Cabinet concurs, inform the Congress that the President is unfit for office, and assume his powers. It simply isn't true that the office of Vice President is not an integral part of the Executive Branch, and Bush and Cheney, the Congress and the courts, all know it! If Cheney gets away with this, he will have succeeded in amending our Constitution unilaterally.
This demands a fight from Congress. I just don't think the Dems have the balls to fight back.
This man is a disgrace to everything this country stands for. End of story.
The Champ is out.
Seamus, I was of course, referring to the U.S. constitution leading to the end of slavery in the U.S., which it did. And I made no such claim that women have "equal" rights, even now, but our constitution, and the framework provided by the founding fathers of our country led to greater women's rights in this country.
Face the facts, not your prejudices. These men COULD have acted like all the "King's men" and established a government much more akin to England's at the time. They could have easily set themselves up the way that Cheney, Bush, and the rest are doing AS WE SPEAK.
They DID NOT. And if you think that this constitution was more easily applied back then than it is today - you are mistaken.
I do not worship these men- but I respect their actions and deeds which crafted such an equalitarian document that strived to give this new country a breath of freedom. Yes, there were plenty of drawbacks. It was 1776! It is ridiculous to think that men of that time would have instituted powers for women. It also denigrates the worthy feminists of the past 200 years and all the achievements and strides they have made to state that all these men had to do was GIVE women equality, as if it something a stroke of the pen could do.
And Equally ridiculous it is- to denigrate the men who instituted a system of Checks and Balances while Robber barons steal political office, punish those who do not share their corruption and destroy the very checks and balances that those founding fathers created right now, 200 years later, when we should know better!
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Empire Burlesque has a related story on some of the many treasonous secrets Cheney is hiding.
http://www.chris-floyd.com/Articles/Articles/Alabama_Getaway%3A_Bush-Rov...
bill @ 37:
A 'p'?
The congressional leadership of the Democratic party is beyond pathetic. We really need someone like Jim Webb to put back on the combat boots and kick some asses.
You poor americans, your're getting dp'ed by Cheney, and you can't do fuck all (no pun intended).
And what's more he telling you to come back tomorrow for some more.
Fuck.
PNAAC Minister @ 17:
I still can't wait until the hampster in the exercise wheel that powers chainey's ICD keels over from a heart attack.
He's a real nowhere man
Sitting in his nowhere land
Making all his nowhere plans for nobody
Doesn't have a point of view
knows not where he's going to
Isn't he a bit like you and me?
Nowhere man please listen
You don't know what you're missing
Nowhere man, The world is at your command
He's as blind as he can be
Just sees what he wants to see
Nowhere man, can you see me at all
Nowhere man don't worry
Take your time, don't hurry
Leave it all till somebody else
Lends you a hand
Ah, la, la, la, la
Doesn't have a point of view
knows not where he's going to
Isn't he a bit like you and me?
Nowhere man please listen
You don't know what you're missing
Nowhere man, The world is at your command
Ah, la, la, la, la
He's a real nowhere man
Sitting in his nowhere land
Making all his nowhere plans for nobody
Making all his nowhere plans for nobody
Making all his nowhere plans for nobody
Man I love Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert. They make me laugh to keep from crying. If this doesn't cry out for impeachment I'm not sure what is.
Jon did chicken out on which branch of government big Dick belongs to as symbolized on his fingers. Everyone expected him to use his middle finger to represent the fourth branch of government to which Cheney belongs.
jane doe @ 26:
Jon could be right ... Dick Cheney COULD be the anti-christ! *smirk*
Cheney is right. He doesn't work for one of the three branches of government. He works for corporate america like Haliburton.
ysbaddaden @ 53:
Finrod @ 46:
funny..
:)
No.
Yeah, but the thing is, no.
Are you ***king kidding me? NO. Way to completely delete the actual people who had to fight tooth and nail for these rights from history.
They would be glad it worked out as it was always intended.
Read a book once in a while, and actually get some knowledge before you try to comment.
I sent a Mail message to Dick Cheney, and it was sent back; "Postage Due: Dubai"
So maybe he isn't part of the executive branch.
My favorite line from the TDS clip was; "this administration doesn't torture logic, it merely flies logic in an unmarked plane to Bulgaria, what happens after that...."
Second favorite; "Can Dick Cheney make something so secret that even he does not know about it?"
>> To make reality trump the daily show, the Bush administration has fired back by claiming; "The President is also not part of the Executive Branch." No, I kid you not.
By the way, Congress is the only group in the Constitution that "does not have to answer questions beyond those on the floor." There is NO EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE -- for good reason.
However, I think that we need to amend the Constitution, to state that any member of the electorate that talks to other members or the public while functioning as a representative, is automatically considered sworn in, and that perjury penalties should apply for knowingly making a false statement. After that, I predict very, very short speeches from our politicians.
Twas a far far better thing to catch chainey in a flip flop than in a thong.
bill @ 57:
What I miss? I just came back from a p.
I watched this on Raw Story. It's hilarious. This administration just keeps the material coming for Stewart. This video is the only coverage of the Cheney looney tunes incident that's at all palatable.
The only president who wasn't the president--LOL
when will America take out the trash??
this cretin is a mass murderer that set up 9-11 and was directly responsible for NORAD not showing up...
this is only one of his crimes...
the elitist DO'NT go to jail ..just look at the bush crime family or even J. McCain ..how much did he steal in the savings and loan scandal that took hundreds of millions from Americans that had to work for it..
time for a revolution ..
do'nt go to work for a week .. it's all these criminals understand
Actually, Cheney's is not the fourth branch of government; it is the sixth. Ahead of him we have the executive, the legislative, the courts, the DC "think tanks", and K Street.
Why does K Street sound like a 90's boy band?
Or maybe K Fed's old turf.
Do KKKers ever refer to their homies as being from the hood?
Agree, deletes things without fair warning:
Alejandro @ 34:
is this the same as saying, "Bong Hits For Jesus". . .or is it a joke . . . or is it a request for imminent acts of violence . . .
bushisaliar @ 64:
Discuss.
It's obvious to anyone who has studied quantum mechanics and string theory to define Cheney.
He's the quantum veep, who by pulling strings yanks himself from the congressional to the executive dimension and back again.
How?
Sorry. It's a secret.
P.S. -- That's why his domicile is an u ndisclosed location. It's always just between dimensions.
The Dems are just pathetic. What ARE they doing in DC? Shit can Gonzalez already and get on to the main event. "Off the table"... bullshit! Put it back on the table! How blatant is it going to get? Are they just darin' the Dems to do something... anything? When are the Dems gonna wake the hell up and realize that yes we DID elect you to impeach the whole lot of 'em... king george II, cheney, dumbsfeld, rice and rove. Stop the war with a timetable attached to funding bill? Whaa??? Just bring the whole lot of them up on charges! It's not like you have to look far and wide to come up with charges either... it's isn't grasping at straws stuff here. Military style tribunal with the UN and everyone (for effect) and the Dems will be on the path to ending the war. And THAT'S what we elected their dumb asses for!
This administration has been breaking the law left and right. There's not even any contention about it. And hell... Habius Corpus!!! I mean it's not like you have to look very hard for the charges. We've all been aghast one week to the next with what's still going on. What ARE the Dems doing? Why can't they get their shit together? Arrgh. They don't even know where to start with their majority in congress. What is it going to take for the Dems to wake up??? Just how blatant is it going to get???
What I suppose this time next year there will be some flakey (planned) terror(ist) thing make a big splash in the news right before we roll around to elections then king george and the cheney gang are gonna say "Oh, wait wait... president's rules now because we're under a national security "emergency". I'm afraid we're gonna have to "postpone" those pesky 'ol elections for now (and hmm maybe just indefinitely) ... 'cause ya know, just scrutinize all the executive power we've given ourselves the past 8 years and oh, keep in mind some of that was helped put in place by a Dem congress."
But since the office of the president isn't in the executive branch I suppose that would be ILLEGAL. Not that it matters. Seems there isn't anyone to bring charges one way or the other. ~M
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God, I hate these fuckers. I am so tired of the government being run by a couple of arrogant sons of bitches. And listening to the feeble-ass excuses that Dana Perino is giving for why Cheney can't make up his mind what branch of the government he's in makes me want to punch people. I seriously almost had to buy a new monitor just now.
Impeach these stupid lying fuckwads right now.
I do believe I saw the transcript (or part of it) several years ago of this interview. If memory serves, Ted asked Cheney why he didn't just go ahead and release the names of the people he met with as part of the energy task force, to once and for all silence his critics.
Cheney's response was something like this: "I would, but you wouldn't be surprised by the names anyway."
The time has become evident that our health of our President and his Administration are in dire need of mandatory health care.
I suggest beginning with drug tests. Then mental illness exams.
Eric @ 52:
I felt let down like the audience too. At least I know that a lot of people feel as infuriated and indignant as I do.
funny article
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Eric @ 52:
I think you missed the joke... He was skirting the use of the middle finger, but then said, "Go fuck yourself," which is of like ten times worse. That show busts my ass up.
By the way, what is Cheney’s Borg Identity? FUtus of Borg. In Borg lore FUtus is often depicted as offering the Borg symbol of unity to the masses.
Who else in the administration has a Borg identity? Why there’s Alberto Gonzalez whose Borg identity is Refutus which means: It’s not my fault.
What about Bush himself? He is known as BigDoofus of Borg. Well actually BigDoofus of half wit because the Borg refused to give Bush a Borg identity. Even the Borg failed to find a brain in that head. Since they could find no brain, the Borg implants failed to take root in BigDoofus of halfwit. Nevertheless, the Borg in an uncharacteristic show of compassion allowed Bush to glue “falsies”—fake Borg implants onto his person after he let it be known that he thought Borg implants “looked cool.”
Note there are other Borg identities out there.
Rush is known as BigGlutus of Borg.
Ann is known as ShrillShrewtus of Borg.
All of those senators who are crying over their recent losses in the immigration battles are collectively known as BooHootus of Borg.
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