Q. Who is Cheney's new chief apologist? A. Jonah Goldberg
By John Amato Tuesday Jun 26, 2007 8:27am
Tucker (whose rating are on life support) had on Jonah to talk about his new "Dick Cheney Fan Club" article and boy, did he have a grand old time sharing the love of Dick Cheney. As Jonah loquaciously describes his feelings about Cheney----Tucker asked him why lefties simply hate Darthman. What reason could any civilized person on the face of the earth have for disliking Mr. Cheney? Goldberg's answer left me speechless. Email Jonah here....
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Tucker: ....you're apt to see hyperventilation. People hate Cheney on this visceral level. What is so hate-able about Dick Cheney?
Goldberg: I have no, I really...I truly have no idea. I like Dick Cheney. Love to have a beer with the guy---I think one of the things that bothers them is that he doesn't care! The opposite of love isn't hate---it's indifference....
Cheney simply doesn't care, that's what did it....I mean, WTF? Have a cold one with him by all means, but it seems Jonah downed a twelve pack before he went on the air....He's either not very bright, really doesn't know---or is lying...What say you, Mr. Goldberg? I'm sure he'll tell you he's brilliant since he works for the wingnut welfare queens over at the NRO....Well, here's a few reasons why Cheney's such an odious man:
1) Architect (along with his neocon cabal) of the worst foreign blunder in U.S. history and an immoral war.
2) Cheerleader and or "chief of torture." Just ask Condi and Colin.
3) Mr. Law and Order doesn't actually obey the law regarding his office.
4) Secret Energy Commission meeting
5) Chickenhawk (five deferments) who sends others off to fight his wars.
6) The leaking of Valerie's Plame name.
7) Scooter Libby and Mary Matalin.
Please add to the list...
Goldberg apologizes for Bush too. I thought #43 was elected to actually know something about policy and not be a fraking "moral" cheerleader. And...attacking countries that haven't attacked us is "immoral."
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Let's frist again... like we did last summer.
Cheney is waiting for his apotheosis.
Too bad this isn't the one who was swallowed by a whale.
When you have to turn to someone like this clown for defense, it's time to throw in the towel.
Was that supposed to be "immortal war," or immoral war. Cause it works either way, this war really doesn't seem like it will ever end.
What's not to like?
Hey, Jonnah. Next time you have a cold one with Dick, go hunting.
8 ) I'm sure we can shoehorn Halliburton somewhere in the list.
9) He shot a guy (likely while drunk) and then tried to cover it up
Cantor de Mambo @ 5:
I kinda like that idea. Would you like birdshot with your Budweiser?
Yes Jonah boy not caring is the problem. It shows on just about everything Cheney touches.
He does not seem to care about the country or the people in it just raw power.
I have come to see pretty much all of you as arrogant Republican suits. Sad thing is not only Cheney but most of you don't care. You don't get it.
So, the crux of this story boils down to this: Two closeted homosexuals talk about how much they love dick. Am I right or am I right?
Does this look like indifference to you?
"Love to have a beer with the guy"
Thats all these guys can come up?
I'd like to have a beer with Dick Cheney.
Me having the beer. Him swinging behind the bar at the end of a rope.
Yellow Elephant Safari
You're not wrong!
This bozo hit the nail on the head several time, "Cheney doesn't care." Period.
He said that bush is a moralist. Would someone please xplane that to me? I just don't see anything moral in bush or any of his cohorts
He wouldn't have a drink with Deadeye Dick for the same reason he won't volunteer to serve in Iraq: "I'm 35 years old, my family couldn't afford the lost income, and I have a baby daughter."
In other words, he's a pussy.
pissed off patricia @ 3:
Could he be the whale?
that whole quote...absolutely bug-fuck crazy, to borrow althouse's title...
What Jonah doesn't have the brain cells to understand is that Cheney isn't just indifferent to Liberals- He's telling ALL Americans to go F*&$ ourselves, and the Constitution, to boot.
Cheney is the worst thing to happen to this country since the Great Depression, and I'm not refering to the one in his lawyer-friend's face from Dick's shoddy shootin'.
that was absolutely craptacular--and i never ever use the word absolutely.
These asswipes make shit up as they go along. It's as if they are playing "I'm The President", instead of realizing what they do actually affects(sic?) people. How can anyone defend this administration at this point in time? Hell, I'm surprised he's still in the 20s.
perhaps jonah could have his lips grafted to chenys shriveled up cock ,that way hed never miss a beer with cheny!
L.A. Confidential @ 12:
Werd it up.
What is this new comments format? It sucks. At any rate, setting up straw men like Cheney and Jonah Goldberg is like burning a couple of scarecrows in effigy. One is a terminally paranoid fascist and the other, Lucianne's treasured son, is a complete imbecile.
Indifference is the opposite of love? I don't know about you, but somehow being indifferent about Cheney doesn't capture my true opposite of love feelings.
Is that a typo where the Iraq war is referred to as 'immortal?' Shouldn't it be 'immoral?'
Then again, they seem to be trying to make it permanent. :(
Jonah suggests that putting indifferent people in charge of a large government is OK. Would he suggest, as a stockholder of a large company, that the CEO's should be indifferent and secretive???? Tell me where the bottom line is...?? As an indifferent reader of Jonahs opinions ( I never heard of the man before) I have decided to be more observant and to avoid anything in print with the the name Jonah attached.. because I don't love the man so I really don't give a F++k about his opinion. As far as I am concerned he can join Tuck in the trash bin of journalism.
I canceled the LA TIMES the day they fired Robert Scheer, who had been consistently right for years, and hired the traitorous Jonah Goldberg, who is consistently and gloriously wrong on everything. I'm still amazed that the LA Times could undergo such a shift to a neocon war-mongering op-ed page at the same time the country was turning in the other direction.
Most of Cheney's crimes have been promoted as failures. Pseudoincompetence has kept the whole lot in power. When we all realize that they are not failing, but succeeding at some of the biggest crimes in history will be the day hope rises.
They do not plan to step down.
Do you think Bush is grabbing all of this dictatorial power because he really, really wants to hand it over to someone else, maybe even a Democrat?
Stop the denial. These people are going for broke and you know it.
I'm moved to nausea when I hear people say America wants a leader with character instead of leading by the polls, and by polls they mean by the will of the people. What fool in a democracy feels that way?
How disingenuous of him to smirkingly imply that our biggest beef with Cheney is he doesn't care what we think like this is all about feelings. What drives us crazy is watching him hurt the country with impunity.
Question: if Dennis Kucinich is the only one with the spine to insist that we impeach Cheney, why is he so marginalized and not taken seriously, even by the left? I for one do find the "Department of Peace" a little far fetch and somewhat corny.
"please add to the list."
HE SHOT AN OLD MAN IN THE FACE, and never so much as apologized for it. In fact, he made the old man apologize to him. If that isn't an attitude of unlimited entitlement, I don't know what is.
What not to like about Cheney?
Warmonger
War-profiteer
And what the hell does Bloomberg have to do with this arguement?
Yes but think of how much you can enjoy watching Cheneys "gritty jaw" and John Wayne like sneer when you have a beer with him. Of course he'll never really have a beer with you; but its a lovely fantasy.
You can put me in w/ those who think dick cheney eats kittens, for sure...but, and it's a big but, I would surely love to see some dems with balls half as big as his....it's becoming pretty apparent ( see "the family jewels" ) that nothing get's done in this country legally...man, if harry reid was half the man dick cheney is,I know, I know, it would be bad, and wrong, etc...but it would be awfully fun to watch
While in the House of Representatives, Cheney opposed sanctions against South Africa - in the final days of Apartheid.
Whether or not you'd have a beer with someone is the new standard for electing our leaders.
It's called playing to the lowest common denominator.
Welcome to the New World Order.
Cheney looks to China as the working model of where he'd like to take this government.
With just the right catalyzing event, he just might succeed.
pissed off patricia @ 3:
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this jonah would have been spit out immediately
Wow!! "I'd Like to have a beer with him"?? Some people who have done that have ended up with a face full of buckshot!!
once again, sitemonitor, PLEASE CHECK THE FILTER
Goldberg: I have no, I really…I truly have no idea.
Wow, he's learning.
pissed off patricia @ 3:
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I'm sure this jonah would have been spit out immediately!!!
SadButTrue @ 32:
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they had a great 'daily show' moment where they replayed that apology. fucking amazing
Guys so gruff they don’t care what you call them and guys you want to have a beer with seem to be the criteria for a good vice-president and president.
We should scout rugby teams for our next winning candidates.
I almost didn 't recognize him with the beard and all
Tucker asked him why lefties simply hate Darthman.
whooohooooo!!!!! 81% of americans are lefties!!!!!
how about this for the list: he rode to the whitehouse on a wave of homophobia, yet his wife writes lesbian porn and his daughter, grandbaby, and daughter's "partner" are off limits for public discussion.
How 'bout "a complete and total contempt for the Constitution, the rule of law and human decency"?
That pretty much sums it up for me.
Welcome to the New Beer Order
oops, should have added this link to my post above.
I'd like to have a hot pocket and enjoy that "oven baked taste from the microwave" with him. http://usgovinfo.about.com/library/weekly/aa063001a.htm
Immortal war? Its like the Daily Show said, hes the Highlander!
But seriously, you cant exist in the 21st century and not have a clue about why Cheney is disliked. Even if you disagree with the reasons you must be at least familiar with some of them. This man is just play acting. Its like he's telling a story for his kids with his fairy-tale kingdom voice.
Goldberg doesn't get it. He thinks Cheney's problem is simply one of management style. Far from it. But his column does make one valid point: What much of the country initially took as a positive -- that Cheney had no designs on the presidency and wouldn't be a weather vane to public opinion -- actually proved the opposite, that we want our politicians to be sensitive to public opinion. It's a thorny problem: We want leaders who will do what they think is right, unless what they think is right is evil.
New Beer Order Financial News
After its failed IPO, AMC Entertainment Inc. is borrowing $400 million on top of its $2.5 billion in debt to pay a special dividend to its private-equity shareholders.
So much for the money solves anything philosophy of the American Enterprise Institute.
Anything can look successful if your willing to to throw enough money at it?
With all these little peons tugging and sucking on his boner so much, it's no wonder Cheney has a weak heart.
There are a whole lot of people I would love to have a cocktail with, but that doesn't mean that these people are capable of running our country.
If chinless's poll was any lower we could call him impotent.
He could replace Bob Dole as the Viagra representative.
Let's run Barney Gumble for office!
Here's one for the list:
"Go f*ck yourself" - Had a Democrat said this to a republican, Jonah would still be crying about it.
Would you share a joint with this man?
If there is a process or policy involved, I have no problem complying.
Just tell me what it is that keeps my posts sent to limbo.
how can someone spam your blog?
are you talking about a script or a robot? I mean it ain't email!
my favorite blog experience is being ruined because this can't be random when
it happens to me everyday in nearly every listing.
I may be wrong, but it seems to happen to me more than to anyone else.
I'm probably just that lucky!
have a look for yourself
Another item to add to the list: the fact he CONTINUES to this very day to try and link Iraq to 9/11 to con the world into supporting his "blood for greed" war in Iraq despite the fact that, not only has it LONG since been debunked, but even President Bush himself has conceded no evidence of any link between the two.
He's an amoral war profiteer. If trading the blood of our sons and daughters to help make himself and his buddies rich isn't enough reason to want to see him tried for treason, it's AT LEAST reason enough not to wantto sit and "have a beer with the guy".
is it a possibility that this inbread goober was one of chenys daughters sperm donors? it would explain why hed like to have a beer with his childs granpa!
The message that Jonah is putting out, and one I think is a key strategic point for the Republicans, is on a personal level people are decent. This clashes with the view the rest of America has, because they can not sit down and have a beer with Darthman.
In my limited meandering through history, I have come to the opinion that people are not nefarious and seek to destroy head-on the freedom that democracy enables. In fact it is quite the opposite, they love the United States and what it represents that they do not trust anyone else to uphold those principles. This devotion becomes sick and twisted because their course is inflexible and unchangeable. I think the currents behind other Executive (and/or Legislative or is it neither?) mistakes are based on good intentions gone drastically wrong with leadership suddenly finding themselves backed into a corner defensively justifying the most ridiculous positions. This House of Cards must be defended at any price, if just one card is wrong it may shed the light upon how cancerous the internal workings have become. This is just not acceptable.
Just like Abraham in the Old Testament, they are willing to sacrifice their only child upon an altar in a twisted devotion of love. There is love for the child and god, but the impossibility of the situation demands a sacrifice. This is the love of which the Republicans speak.
If he doesn't know why we hate darth, then he has no business being his spokesperson.
Yeah go have a beer with darth and then go hunting with him.
repugs are liars and they aren't clueless about the darth's facts.
Well shit Tucker, if you want to know why lefties hate Cheney get a lefty on your program and aask them.
Why would you ask a fan of a club why the other side hatres them.
John - we need some sound effects choices. Because I would really like to include the drop
"you are an idiot" that one hears on the Stephanie Miller show.
117. "Wrmwaaaaa... go anatomical impossibility yourself!"
Probably one of the most honest asessments of Cheney ever (aside from the Frontline series). he just doesn't care and what he doesn't care about is DEMOCRACY and the grassroots American people.
IMPEACH!
Nevermore: it's not a question of having balls, it's a question of how you use them. Cheney is just criminally insane. That's a different thing from having courage.
118. "I like to lurk menacingly near the rose garden during press conferences, Wmrmraaa!"
Yellow Elephant Safari @ 10:
ROTFLMA .... I love it! And yes, you are right!
Unbelievable. These two twits are talking about the lovable traits of a sociopath that is in charge of the country, while they giggle like a couple of thirteen year olds.
The New Beer Order
Bushonomics, in the unforgettable words of George Bush Sr., is “the continuous consolidation of money and power into higher, tighter and righter hands”.
Have a beer!
119. "Mmmraagh, the insurgency if you will is in its last throes."
tyree @ 59:
I don't think he's a Cheney sperm donor. ; )
More like a receiver. ;)
8)Promoting partisanship to a new and caustic level (Go blank yourself) "Indifference" means zero chance to exchange/alter opinions-how's that work in a democracy?
9)Consistently putting corporations' welfare over people's (Add any one of hundreds of examples)
10)Wiping his ugly butt w/ the Constitution (laws don't apply to him, wiretaps etc and anyway, bugger off 'cause he's the 4th branch)
11)Drinking the blood of the undead
12)Performing a creepy ventriloquists act with a meat puppet called George (lurking in Bushes)
"What is so hate-able about Dick Cheney?"
That he's the embodiment of pure evil?
Please add to the list…
199 ) Wore a parka at the Auschwitz memorial.
13. Sleeps in a coffin filled with dirt from Transylvania.
cheney caved:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0607/4679.html
R.A.C. @ 49:
That's what I was trying to say in comment #31. Noone hates Cheney for superficial cosmetic reasons. Such an implication is thumbing his nose at those with legitimate issues with this Lord Vader figure.
I saw a poster on another blog who said looking at a picture of Dick Cheney is like looking at a corpse thats still breathing.
Brown becomes new British prime minister
AP - 6 minutes ago
Bye Tony! Thanks for the memories.
One big one. To Paul O'Neil, " Reagan proved that deficits don't matter." As long as the money is tax payer money spend all he wants on what he wants, even if it bankrupts and kills a lot of people.
If Jonah has "a cold one" with Darth Dick, he'd better watch out. The Dick has a habit of shooting his casual drinking buddies in the face. Of course, Jonah would be happy to apologize to the Prince of Darkness for getting in the way of his buckshot....
Using the phrase "not very bright" and the name "Jonah" in close proximity is redundant redundant.
Where is John McCain on this Cheney issue?
Why does he not speak up? Is he unable to? Can he not climb down off of the Bush-Cheney rotisserie and be a man?
Goldberg's got his head so far up Cheney's butt he doesn't need to crack open a bottle to taste the beer.
kaT @ 64:
I meant the balls to do what needs to be done...all of our panties are in a bunch over this stuff...it would be nice to see the righties get their panties in a bunch...it would be nice to see the dems DE-fund the war, but they won't because THEY DON"T HAVE THE BALLS TO DO ANYTHING THAT THEY MIGHT GET CRITICISED FOR! those kinds of balls, the balls where you do what you think is right, whether it's legal or not....and it IS a ? of having balls, as far as getting your base to love you unconditionally...think how hard you'd get if you saw nancy pelosi tell the pres./vice-pres. to "go F--- yourself" tacky, and maybe wrong, but tell me you wouldn't dance in the streets if that happened. That was my point...Cheneys going down, but at least he's going down swinging....(and no, I'm not a fan and I don't admire WHAT he's done )
Again the question is why are absolutely discredited morons like Coulter and Goldberg on TV in the first place?
Jonah hearts Dick. I had a suspicion about that already.
-GSD
8) he's hunting buddies with a Supreme Court justice who refuses to recuse himself from conflict of interest cases...
9) he shoots other hunting buddies in the face...
sitemonitor:
would you have a look at the filter queue?
I think you'll find some of my messages in there.
These people should be laughed right out of the media at this point.
How bout Coulter's performance yesterday.
I mean Ann baby, you think we need to kill em? Suit up, head to Iraq and show us how much substance is behind the hot air coming out of your mouth for a change. Watch out for flying pies. And don't play with your hair to much while in a fire fight.
hey! I didn't do anything to deserve this!
sitemonitor: I sent you an email
ysbaddaden @ 53:
Poor Dick can't take Viagra with his heart. Maybe that is why he and his wife are so mean.
sitemonitor, could you help here please.
Blue Buddha @ 8:
When I used to drink, I would frequently have a shot and a beer. ;)
<a href="#comment-68301" rel="nofollow">BaScOmBe @ 91: </a>
<blockquote>sitemonitor, could you help here please.</blockquote>
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make that pretty please with cherries on top
[10:45 am PDT. Sorry. I just woke up-Sitemonitor]
repugs, when all else fails use a tired cliche
With any luck, the Cheney/Bush insurgency is in its last throes!
Perhaps Jonah Goldberg's most vapid moment ever (in a lifetime of them)
approx 04:19 into the above C&L clip
Yeah, I must be pissed over that whole booty call thing. (::: hurling out my spinal column:::) ... not that Cheney's a domestic despot, a war criminal internationally and multiply tyrannical in this teensy detail:
L.A. Confidential @ 88:
Is inciting murder defensible under the 1st Amendment? I want Coulter the psychofant investigated, arrested, prosecuted and incarcerated...along with the reichpublicant misadministration.
something tells me even the supreme court covets haveing a beer with dick cheny or at the very least one night of perverted sex and unbriddled lust, so jonahs not alone !
From Jonah's own article:
Jonah, you've got it! I'm so happy you've finally seen the light! Now, simply apply what you've learned to foreign policy. Unilateral action doesn't work there either! You get blowback which hobbles our long-run efforts...I couldn't have said it better myself!
bill w @ 92:
I would drink a shot of tequilla with a Guiness chaser.
Um, you kinda gotta "suck up to the people" to some extent. If you are not doing what the people desire you aren't really a democrat, even if you are elected. It is true that we have "representative" government, but Cheney has skipped through republicanism into oligarchy and he is descending into fascism.
Leading people by the nose and manipulating opinion through arguments that are disingenious, and language that is solipsistic and deceptive is not democracy either. We need to say to people like Cheney and Goldberg "you are wrong. You have your arguments, you may believe them, or not, but you are wrong. You argument does not carry weight with me and I will not be manipulated through the force of "plausible deniability." We the people of the United States demand that Dick Cheney be impeached and removed from office by our representatives in congress.
Here's what Jonah's Linda Tripp confidant and chain smoking mother Lucia Goldberg has to say, "hack, hack, hack, hack, cough, hack, hack, hack, hack, hack, cough.
Report: Pentagon "Cannot Account For" $19 Billion Spent On Iraqi Forces.
Follow the Cheney Gangs money trail.
He makes Joey Buttofucco look honorable.
Where are the trolls today. They don't have anything nice to say about our vice cheif executive of the worst administration in our history?
Ron @ 105:
They're all flumoxed. They probably haven't gotten their talking points memos yet.
Odd how folk like Goldberg and Coulter get a soap box, but guys like me are reduced to the ethersphere blogs.
Of course if I were a guest on a show they would never know if I would say something portentious and deep, or just goof on whatever anyone else would say, before devolving into dirty jokes.
And Christopher Hitchens already has that job.
Ya know...when you take a step back...and remain unemotional as you watch nonsense like this...it really strikes you. It really does.
It's as if the MSM goes to an insane asylum and puts on the inmates.
Just what America needs: Arrogant intellectually underpriviledge assholes. Both Chaney and Bush should be kept busy opening supermarkets till 01/09.
nevermore @ 35:
Balls? Dick Cheney has a 3-foot long vagina.
Just think what the rest of the world must think as they watch American TV.
We look like a nation of clowns.
Jonah is seriously snark impaired. He has an update from a 'supporter' who compares Cheney to Gandhi. I refuse to believe that any sentient being could make that comparison without dipping heavily into irony and snark.
Please add to the list...
Polluter-in-chief (see today's Huffington Post)
Paranoid secret-keeper, except where he personally benefits
Abuser of democracy and rule of law
Political manipulator first-class
Halliburton conflict of interest
Operation Artichoke cover-up with Rummy
LOGCAP which set up the Halliburton sweet deal
Umpteen instances of anti-social behavior while in Congress
Tried to change asbestos litigation rules to protect his Halliburton golden parachute
Chose himself as VP
Jonah Goldberg et al think that he is cool
Hatred is such a strong word. I would say that I have utter contempt for Cheney. Not hatred. I have contempt for anyone who uses arrogance instead of intelligence to sway people.
Paying Attention @ 115:
He used intelligence to sway us. Re just made up the intelligence.
the first time i ever saw Goldberg he was calling the new york anti war protest a bunch of pitchouli stink commies.
he's shrill and cant articulate a point.
It takes one chicken hawk weasel to love another chicken hawk weasel.
Goon @ 117:
That's patchoulli. I still burn it.
Curmudgeon Boy @ 118:
I say, I say, there's something wrong with that boy there!
Ron Says:
Paying Attention @ 115:
Hatred is such a strong word. I would say that I have utter contempt for Cheney. Not hatred. I have contempt for anyone who uses arrogance instead of intelligence to sway people.
He used intelligence to sway us. Re just made up the intelligence.
I stand corrected. So maybe I do hate him--that B*ST*RD!
"The courage and the moxie?"
Come on Tucker you can ram your head up there a little farther.
If Tucker was interviewing Hitler's top advisor, it would sound just like this.
Forget the beer Goldberg, go hunting with him!
L.A. Confidential @ 12:
Its true. Dont they know that drinking leads to choking on pretzels?
One of these things doesnt belong here
Goldberg- "I think one of the things that bothers them is that he doesn’t care! The opposite of love isn’t hate—it’s indifference…."
I have to agree with Goldberg on that one. Cheney doesn't care about telling the truth, the Constitution, the rule of law, transparency, and he definately doesn't care about all of the lives that were lost due to his warmongering.
Joe O. @ 125:
Hey-I think its great we have a vice president that doesnt care about his job. Its not like we actually pay him for it or anything. Oh wait...
EO 13228 [Post 9-11] clearly establishes VP is an Executive Officer:
http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/eo/eo-13228.htm
The VP has not awoken to the "new world" of the "post 9-11 era". Why does the VP want to stay in the pre-9-11 world?
Well the reason we don't love Cheney IS that he doesn't care. He doesn't care about:
1) The rule of law
2) Constitutional checks and balances
3) The right of Habeas Corpus
4) Traditional American values like "do unto others as you would have others do unto you"
5) Civil rights
6) The fact that his administration is setting the US up for authoritarian rule
7) Personal accountability
8) Alienating international allies
9) . . .
Someone should tell Goldberg that the opposite of love is neither hate or indifference, it is fear.
I hope Jonah has a beer with Cheney... I hope they have a few beers together and then Cheney invites Jonah to go hunting with him. And Jonah says yes, love to....
Groggy this morning--that is a run-on sentence.
Watching clips like this or perhaps Ann Coulter or Malkin or any of the other shrill assmonkeys...is kinda like sitting outside the monkey cage watching the apes fling feces.
"immortal war" is either a typo or a brilliant metaphor revealed when we look back at this immoral war without end. I just hope that somehow the American People, the Iraqis, and the rest of world can drive a stake though it's heart. And the heart of this immortal war has a pace-maker ticking within a cold careless body of a bald, reckless, vile man, drunk with power.
naschkatze @ 129:
and fear leads to dictatorship. Something Goldberg must love. I guess he gets his jollies thinking about how Dick Cheney will have his boot on Goldberg's neck if he gets his way. Some people like Goldberg just love being dominated.
I think it is a farce to say Cheney doesn't look at the polls. The polls to a great degree represent a sentiment of the American people. There are some issues that polls should not have much influence on. But, other issues should consider polls strongly.
Cheney knows how polls effect his party and the election of '06. This guy can't tell me Cheney ignored those polls of loosing the House and Senate to the Dems. The Dems in which Cheney calls the enemy.
The problem is Cheney abiding by laws. He wants to be above the law as Nixon in-visioned. Cheney sees absolutely no problem spying on Americans with no cause, yet he feels he should have every right to secrecy for himself.
Cheney should be drug tested or be given a mandatory mental illness exam. His actions as V Pres. have justified such. Remember that Supreme court justice Renquist was handing down S.C. decisions while under the influence of psychotropics for a mental problem. We imprison everyone else in this country for drug abuse. Everyone that has no real futune that is.
Cheney's game playing as V.P. over his role in the Adm or Legislature is irrational and and raises the question of Cheney's mental state and sanity to perform the task as VP however Cheney views his position.
This might risk derailing this thread, but isn't Jonah Goldberg Jewish like Michael Weiner?
One would think they would hate fascists, and fight tooth and nail to prevent America becoming fascists.
Two of my least favorite people. I'm not going to discuss what they said, since it is nonsense and we've heard it all before. I found myself tuning out the words and just watching them. A couple of observations:
1. Goldberg has a HUGE mouth. I'm don't mean he is loud, I mean he could easily fit his fist in his mouth with room to spare. When he talks you can see the entire bottom row of his teeth.
2. Tucker is the only person I've seen who can purse his lips WHILE talking. If you look closely, I believe you can see that he curls his tongue as well.
My conclusion: Tucker and Golberg should create and star in their own circus sideshow.
[we prevail thru deception ]a motto to live by!
[...] UPDATE: Atrios notes the title and cover of Jonah’s new book. Crooks and Liars has more. [...]
All one has to do is read some of Goldberg's articles and the question of whether he is not too bright will be answered. He is Lucienne Goldberg's son and stupid and evil pretty much runs in the family. The whole damn family should be making sandwiches at Subway.
coleshack @ 137:
Is this Jonah Goldberg's Great Grand Daddio?
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a44/moxievision/ManWhoLaughs.jpg
Bluesage @ 140:
Nice ad hominem attack, Bluesage. But is that what stupid families do, make sandwiches at Subway?
I'll add to the list.
When Cheney was chief of staff for Gerald Ford he began formulating plans for privatizing the military. As Secretary of Defense under G. H. W. Bush, he continued working the privatization angle and began to put those plans into action.
After leaving government, he became CEO of one of the corporations that profited most from the same privatization that he had spearheaded.
When he entered government service again as VP to Dubya, he lavished no-bid contracts to the very corporations that he had headed a few years before and still had a large vested interest in. The man made millions of personal bucks on his privatization schemes.
Nothing is more despicable than profit-taking from war.
Then he had the balls to claim, during the Vice Presidential debate for the 2000 election, that he had made his millions in the private sector without any government help (and got applause from that obviously clueless audience).
ysbaddaden @ 136:
There were plenty of Jews who cooperated with the Nazis in WWII. They were willing to sacrifice their neighbors - even their family members in order to save their own skins. Many were herded off to the death camps right along with the people they helped to capture when the war started turning bad for the Germans and the "final solution" got kicked into high gear. I wonder if they recognized the irony in that?
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