Chris Matthews Goes After Kate O'Beirne's Hypocrisy
By Nicole Belle Tuesday Jul 03, 2007 11:02am 
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Chris Matthews points out the inconsistency of Kate O'Beirne's support of Bill Clinton's impeachment for High Crimes for being found guilty of committing perjury and obstruction of justice and her support of a pardon for Libby.
To his credit, Tweety nails the O'Beirne's logic: IOKIYAR.
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fantastic. would matthews continue to show such insight.
happy 4th!
See. Just like I predicted.
http://news.yahoo.com/photos/ss/2767;_ylt=AnMC4mRsIV_UUTCxLwjk2ippaP0E
Of course, he did nothing to distinguish lying over a blowjob and lying over revealing a CIA agent. What are the national security ramifications of legal adults engaging in consentual acts? I know what Libby's crime helped to cause and who knows when it will ever end.
Don't forget about next year's rollout of the "Amero" as the North American Union" equivalent of the Euro.
Kate O'Bierne: kickstart that brain neuron you have and think. Guilt is not determined by whether they defendant said he did it or not. There are other more important things in the case. Like, wait for it, evidence. And you can't beat the evidence which occurs when the crime is committed in the court room itself.
Open your eyes, turn on that brain neuron, and see that Scooter committed perjury and obstruction of justice. It's all there in the court records, whether he came out and said he did it or not.
What's that old saying... a liberal is a conservative that has been convicted....
Funny, tweety always seems to follow FU's like last week's Mann Coulter ratings grab with a brief moment of pimping his mostly transparent spine. By next week he'll be fawning over Fred thompson, sniffing his manliness again. Tweety is a total skitzo.
So, by her logic, it's okay for her to support the impeachment of Clinton because he admitted perjury and obstruction of justice, but it's not okay to hold Libby accountable because he didn't admit to committing perjury and obstruction of justice?
Damn, that just hurt my head.
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Kate is not concerned with trial and conviction by jury? Maybe that says something about the neocon mindset. Maybe the neocons would like to do away with juries. Just assume people on your side are innocent in all instances, and the people on the other side are always guilty.
Tweety also attacked those defending Clinton. You know, the old "both sides of the argument" ploy. He always sounds so outraged: OMG they're all bad; therefore, don't trust any of them 'cause I said so, and I would know.
I believe that in all of the pardons that Clinton gave, everyone one of them had served part of their sentence. Clinton may have commited perjury and admitted to it but Libby was convicted of perjury and obstruction of justice. Again the Neocons only have one rule of law. If you are a democrat you are guilty. If you are a republican, there is no crime they commit they should be guilty of.
However, he once again pulled forth the "both sides are wrong" BS. When will everyone in the press simply stand up and say "President Bush is covering his own ass".
I remember getting interested in American politics during the Watergate years and the one lesson that everyone seems to have forgotten is that what pissed people off the most was the lying to cover up everything.
Everything this administration does is to cloak themselves in secrecy and ordinary people just hate that. We do our jobs and if we screw up there are consequences of some sort. This bunch seems to think that it is different if you are one of them and it just might be that finally they have done something so obviously out of the bounds of normal behaviour that it can be encapsulated in a sound bite that is unequivocal.
This one just cannot be spun with a straight face and anyone in the press that repeats the BS that it is a "both sides are like this" sort of thing should be called out as the lying sack of dung that they are.
As for Tweety's comments about the Clinton impeachment being the same case, I have to ask Mr. Tweety to pull his head away from smelling Thompson's Aqua Velva and slap it until he starts processing that Clinton was tried and acquitted, that Clinton's case was strictly perjury, and that Scooter's main crime was obstruction of justice. Perjury is relatively minor compared to obstruction of justice. And comparing lying about a blowjob to obstructing the investigation of who outed an undercover CIA agent are (to most of us) two different categories of crime.
Most of America may be shocked and dismayed by President George W. Bush's decision to commute the prison sentence of convicted White House aide Lewis "Scooter" Libby but the rabid right wing of the Republican Party, the staunch minority of Presidential loyalists, are cheering the President as loudly as they can.
Take that hippies-libbies is the battle cry of the day.
L.A. Confidential @ 9:
Today we declare a new independence.
http://myfightfordemocracy.blogspot.com/2007/07/new-declaration-of-indep...
Tweety thinks Monica Lewinsky was monitoring WMD's in Iran.
naschkatze @ 10:
Close. Assume they are innocent if they say they are innocent, and guilty if they say they are guilty. And yes do away with juries and police evidence since what's the point? Brilliant, huh? I think there must be lead in Ms. O'Bierne's drinking supply.
Jeannie See @ 8:
Exactly. This makes you understand why they want to torture folks. It isn't a real guilty verdict without a confession .. to something .. to anything.
I do believe Chris Matthews is taking a turn for the better. In spite of past sins, I'm cheering him on this response. Yes is a much better motivator than No. Let us reward him for taking up for the truth.
Boy, am I glad I don't have 24 hour cable news...Cannot imagine anyone spending
more than 5 seconds watching Tweety, or for that matter O'Liely, Hannity, Gibson,
Wolf Bullshitter, Joe Scumbag, or ANY of that group of scumbags. Talk about needing
a total and complete "shake up" in D.C., how about the same in the MSM.
Matthews has a lot to answer for. For the most part he is an enabler of aWol bushie, and dick bushie, but as I was watching hardball yesterday, and he asked Kate O'bushie that question, the look on her face was priceless. She looked stunned and shocked. I was thinking her dentures might fall out.
This creepy, scowling woman is just a shallow, two-faced, bitter shrew.
Like all in her party, she couldn't wait to drag out the "C" word and pretend that admission of guilt is somehow relevant. Actually, Kate, what Clinton admitted was a helluva lot more honorable than what that scummy neo-con traitor Libby did.
Pathetic 'cons...all of them.
Ron @ 16:
The TV isn't going to Impeach Bush and Cheney. Thats the problem.
Matthews was also good on the Today show reminding everybody that the Scooter
Libby thing is about CHENEY, and his attempts to discredit Joe Wilson. Remember,
everybody?
I find Ryan Lizza's comments in this video as surprising as those of Tweety. l'm sure the wind will blow the other way in a few days.
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enaud @ 22:
Of course she did. She has spent years spewing the same line of BS and has never once been called on it. None of them have. It is damned near time that everyone with a microphone said 'excuse me but that is just not the case' every single time that something demonstrably untrue came out of the mouth of one of these folks.
Cismontane @ 25:
Tweety is "playing a game"..tomorrow he will be lamblasting someone on the Left.
He is worse than that little lizzard that changes colors when needed.
Clinton was not convicted of perjury or obstruction of justice either by a jury of his peers in a court of law or by the U.S. Senate during impeachment proceedings.
One little problem with this. Clinton's was an attempt to get him out of office for the whole time he was there and this sex thing was all they could come up with. Bush is a traitor to the country and a murderer of 3600 of our people and untold thousands of citizens of other countries. So Chris, killing people and infidelity are equal? I bet Bush has screwed around a lot more. Conservatives also say that Clinton pardoned his own brother. Well once again a pardon for an individual crime versus treason against our country. Just like Bush's dad involved in Iran Contra, treason against the country. Looks like it runs in the family.
Kate O'Garbage is a worthless whore. Didn't mean to insult whores. Unfortunately my Dad was right a revolution could happen in this country. More than 50% chance to overthrow our new dictator, King George.
I wonder, IF C&L was to post a survey and take a poll pertaining tothe MSM, would the public give the main stream media as HIGH marks as those given the
U.S. Congress(19 percent) or that of bush(22 percent)???
I think NOT..
I got a strange deja vu feeling on this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txwCEVXAziI
Mike @ 32:
I refer you to my blog # 16 earlier.
Tin Soldiers and Bushes Army. We're finally on our own. Gotta Get Down To It.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1H6DSzBlVk
nigel @ 34:
That right-wing bitch needs to have her head [Deleted. Bad Doggie. No violence advocation here, please-Sitemonitor] stuffed
up her ass...maybe that would cure her problem of being such
a total and complete dumbass.
Doggiebobo @ 33:
Check my homepage for such a poll.
"Clinton was not convicted of perjury or obstruction of justice either by a jury of his peers in a court of law or by the U.S. Senate during impeachment proceedings."
Exactly! Also I doubt if any jury would have convicted Clinton of perjury or obstruction of justice. (If there was chance, the republicans would have tried).
Doggiebobo, get thee to a kennel!
Janet @ 38:
Thanks....I note that 93 percent say that the Press is "Almost Never" or "Never"
responsive to our concerns about this country....
didnt the judge in clinton's case make a final determination that the lewinsky affair was not pertinent to the case of paula jones?
if so, then clinton neve committed perjury...he just lied about getting a bj
and no, i am not being inconsistent when i weigh what libby did as being a bigger crime than clinton
the paula jones trial was purely politically motivated....in fact, the supremes should never have ruled that it could be brought to trial while clinton was in office
what libby did was to put party over country....that makes him a traitor
bush commuted the sentence of a traitor...that makes bush an enemy of the state
forget impeachment....waterboarding should be on the agenda
Doggiebobo Says.....I note that 93 percent say that the Press is “Almost Never” or “Never”
responsive to our concerns about this country….
Only 2% think the press does a good job. That is definitely lower than Congress. LOL
This makes my head explode. You look like a political hack saying libby should be pardoned. There is no valid excuse whatsoever to have him pardoned. How can anyone feel passionately about pardoning him? You'd have to be a political hack. Who are they to say their judgment is better than the judicial process? Aren't there other wrongfully convicted criminals to be passionately proposing pardons for? Liek the ones wrongfully convicted on death row? Its just so FISHY that on every issue there is a 'republican' side no matter how rediculous the stance. Those people should not get airtime. People calling for the resignation of cheney should be given air time. *head explodes* YOU AMERICANS YOU'RE SO CRAZY LOLZ
O'Beirne's looks like a 30 year-old crack-head,with her sour-pussed, pickled looking face ,and the bleach job on her hair! I'm glad the camera couldn't relay the smell of her breath,which probably smelled like Bush's crotch!
Barrett D @ 44:
It's about keeping people glued to a Tube here.
Any real revolution would mean a huge inconvenience even to those who are advocating it.
It's a joke
The Republican mindset in a nutshell:
You didn't do anything wrong as long as you never admit to it - even if convicted by a jury.
Annoyed Canuck @ 47:
Exactly, you have "nailed it"...
Bush just had to say he could still pardon Libby, to remind us all he's the Thinker-Upper. Maybe the big middle finger's not working like it used to.
The hag is a wingnut from the NRO.
Nuff said.
Geez.
Annoyed Canuck @ 47:
Thats the way it works now in Post 911 America. Then the media takes over and delivers the paralysis through analysis routine.
This will be the first 4th of July where it has become nothing more then a stupid idiotic ritual for the ignorant.
Just like Scooter Libby and Valerie Plame, Monica Lewinsky's reputation was ruined after being outed. She may never be able to suck cock in another oval office again.
I'm telling you there're so many parallels to the Clinton case its uncanny.
Chris Matthews: just another broken clock that is correct twice a day.
A little further checking of Kate O'Beirne...
Her present husband, James O'Beirne is currently the White House Liason to the Pentagon.
Pres. bush-lite appointed her to the "Presidential Commission on Women in the Armed
Services", tho she has NEVER served in the military service.
She is a hoax, like most in this administratiion
So,by Kate O’Beirne’s logic you have to admit guilt to be guilty? I'll bet Jeffery Dahmer and Ted Bundy never admitted in court that
they were guilty. This woman is a frequent guest on Hardball, and I have yet to hear her say anything intelligent.
C'mon folks, the Tweety frame here is that Clinton and Libby are guilty of the same crime. Technically true. One lied about adultery and violated the oath he swore before God to be faithful to his wife and put his marriage and his reputation at risk over simple lust. The other lied about compromising the national security of the country he was sworn by oath before God to defend and put the lives of God and the CIA only know how many people at risk to cover up the criminal behavior of his superiors . Are they the same crime?
Otay @ 5:
A few things I take issue with start with Tim Russert having memory failure. If he's given a pass on that, then why not Libby? The other main issue I have is the Clinton/Libby comparison. The "right" uses bad behavior to vindicate bad behavior on the basis that Libby didn't admit guilt. The "left" disregards Libby's denial of guilt, but uses that same denial of guilt as one of the reasons they're against the death penalty, siting the death of an innocent man. So the "left" must be objective by giving the denial of guilt premise the same validity, regardless of party affiliation/affliction.
JT @ 56:
Bup! Bup! Stop right there - you've encountered an impossibility.
:p
I love how Chris, at the very end says: "Thank you Kate. You're not the only one who's wrong here..."
That just made me laugh out loud. Such a weird way to say thank you to someone on a show. So honest, and such a funny way of putting it, and such funny timing.
Kate is just a pathetic old fool! Why do these shows bother with pundits like her. After David Brooks last piece, add him to the "used up, has been, and no longer relevant list.
Kurt @ 53:
nonsence im sure monicas jaws will recieve orders by mossad to once again crawl under the oval offices desk and obtain another sample of spluge on her blue dress for blackmailing another boob !
Hey C&L. Nifty new comments since I've been away. :)
For those above who caught O'Beirne's, but Clinton admitted it "logic," perhaps we should refer her to the immortal words of Fred Gwyn's Alabama judge in My Cousin Vinny, who refused to alter procedures for Joe Pesci's bumbling attorney, Vinny Gambini merely because he found himself
Though I admit to having mixed feelings on this myself. I mean, as a criminal defense lawyer, O'Beirne's system would make my job a hell of a lot easier.
As Joe Wilson says, corrupt to the core!
Who's Chris Mathews and why should we care what he thinks?
NewNameAcquired Says@60,
Except Tweety's statement that "You're not the only one who's wrong here..." was meant to but Democrats who supported Clinton during the blowjob lying charges in the same moral equivalency boat.
Totally disingenous of Tweety. And that is the real Tweety.
I mistyped. I meant to type "was meant to put Democrats..."
Chris Matthews made a superb point about both sides. The Dems that defended Clinton's perjury wanted Libby for perjury. The Cons that wanted Clinton for perjury refused to hold Libby to the same standard.
I find it most interesting that the Cons, who campaigned in 2000 and 2004 on a platform of bringing integrity back to D.C., have abandoned all integrity in the case of Libby.
Also, equally perplexing is Ms. O'Beirne's apparent belief that an admission of a crime far outweighs being found guilty of the same crime by a jury of one's peers. Ms. O'Beirne seems to place no value on the system of trial by jury and offer no respect to the decision of said jury. On this July 4th, that's 230-plus years of democracy that Ms. O'Beirne ground under her biased low heels.
At the same time, can either party hold its own people accountable for their actions and abandon the defense of, "well, the other side does it, too"?
When the repugs like snow says chimpy thought long and hard, they means chimpy said this is bs and now fix it.
repugs are self-centered idiots
Matthews and his guest did a good job putting the silly hag in her place.
But it should have been pointed out that Clinton lied about a personal marital indiscretion in a civil proceeding (Paula Jones' suit against Clinton). The Jones suit was a civil claim for damages for an alledged act of sexual harrassment that was never proven or even prosecuted criminally.
Libby, by contrast, lied under oath to a grand jury investigating a serious federal crime, the exposure of a serving American covert agent (whose job was to gather information about WMDs - what could be more important than this?). According to both the prosecutor and the judge, Libby's multiple lies were strategic - they impeded the investigation and indictment of others in the administration, specifically Rove and Cheney.
Nobody who tries to equate Libby with Clinton should be allowed to get away with it.
It's worth it just to see O'Beirne's trap shut and silenced for a few seconds. Kinda makes my 4th of July.
Doggiebobo @ 21:
Me, too, Doggiebobo. Thank the loving fuck for something!
Kate O’Beirne’s Hypocrisy is just one more douche bag for the repugs.
she gives a lot of lip service, i wonder how many times she has confused
that cigar for uh!, a cigar.
just one more moment for a slut-whore to speak for the repugs.
John P. Normanson@67,
How many times does it have to be repeated that the main crime in the Libby affair was Obstruction of Justice (perjury was relatively minor), that Clinton was acquitted but Scooter's conviction was upheld by a Repub judge and legal analysts?
That being acquitted for lying about a blowjob is only considered morally equivalent to being convicted of obstructing an investigation into outing an undercover CIA operative in the realms of Wonderland?
Does reality just slip through the grasp of the average citizen?
Clinton NEVER admitted to "lying under oath", much less committing perjury.
And for a very good reason; he DIDN'T lie under oath or commit perjury.
I know where O'Beirne come up with such a shameless lie; it is a favorite Republican talking point (read; lie). But why in the world did Matthews simply agree with her? It never happened.
O'Beirne told her big lie once, saw immediatly that the host of the show was going to roll over and just let her get away with it and, in classic Republican talkng point fashion (read: lie), repeated the lie with even more fervor and delight.
Chris Matthews exemplifies everything that is wrong with today's wimpy, lapdog media.
I'm sorry, I should not have said "Does reality just slip through the grasp of the average citizen?" but rather "Does reality just slip through the grasp of the 25 percenter wingnut crowd", since in (informal) polls(for what they are worth), it appears that a large majority realize the ridiculousness of the situation.
As I will thank Chris for this truth confrintation.
I would also like to remind him that the republicans want desperately to compare Bush's commute of Inmate 28301-016 (Libby), with Clinton's Pardon's.
Out of republican mouths )including Tony Snow's) that Libby's appeal is not over. That the Official administraion's word is that they do not talk nor interfere in ongoing cases. BUSH DID IN FACT INTERFERE.
Bush made special priviledge of the VP's Aide. It is amazing to Clintonize Bush's ugly actions when Bush was supposed to bring what he claimed as Honesty, higher standards, etc to the White House.
Bush and his squawking flock when making dirty deeds use CLinton as the excuse?
Fact is that there is an underlying crime that Inmate 28301-016 was repressing and it was proved in a US court of law by a jury. This does/t matter to republicans for there are several thousands of people facing the same sentence and same crime as inmate 28301-916 (Libby) and their justice is deserved but not their guy.
IN fact it is mostly viewed that Bush used his Presidential powers to over ride and misdirect a Criminal act by his own Administration. Republicans and their paid minions in the media are transparent in their criminal enabling of such horrid criminal acts by an Administration.
Sure they are two faced over Clinton verses Their own Republicans cronies.
Inmate 28301-015 was rewarded for " not telling the truth ". This is what is a leader, leads us to? This is what the President teachs his kids and we now must teach our kids? And your James Dobsons and Pat Robertsons over the Godly than thow stand by this criminal abuse of entrusted power?
Ron @ 12:
I don't believe Marc Rich ever served a day. In fact, he fled the country to avoid prosecution. I may be wrong. If so, please correct me.
tHeGaMeOfLife @ 68:
In fact, if I remember correctly, Snowjob said that bush had been studying/considering
the case for several weeks, YET bush-lite himself said, on numerous occassions,
"I am NOT going to become involved in a case that is still within the legal system".
AGAIN, a BIG lie by that clown sitting in the oval office.
Kate...Please "Shut the F**k Up" You lying right-wing whore.
Lets face it...This is all about the Republican protecting their chest full of lies and manipulations to take this country to war. If America finds the TRUTH (heaven forbid) then this administration might have to be tried once out of office.
Is that possible?..I sure hope so.
I like how she just sat there at the end of Twetty's statement, content to not have to defend her own drivel again. She did her job, humiliated herself and just has to go collect her atta-girls from her handlers.
:lol:
Diogenes @ 77:
Isn't it ironic that Scooter Libbey "defended" Marc Rich in his case before the Gov; taking
the position that Rich did not violate any laws???? Yes, Clinton did pardon Rich, but
Rich had to pay $100 million in fines/penalty for his involvment in the trading w/Iran.
Chris Matthews is a tool. He knows full well that Bill Clinton was not convicted of obstruction of justice. He was impeached, but never convicted in a court of law. Lying about sex is minor compared to the Bush equivalent of Watergate and his obstruction of justice through actions by Libby. The President and Vice President through Libby, leaked the name of a couvert CIA agent and LIED about it. Libby was their fall guy, with a promise of no jail time. Libby was their chief aide. Duh....direct link to obstruction and a free pass.
What's with all the "Tweety" comments? His name is Chris Matthews. I have no problem with individual posters inventing pet names for others ("chimpy"?), but the people like Nicole Belle who post clips and links on the actual C&L website should be above that. Using derogatory names just makes C&L's otherwise valid points easier to ignore or dismiss as viciously partisan.
Or am I mistaken about the purpose of the website. If the intent is merely to entertain the already convinced, rather than to educate and inform, then I guess it doesn't matter if C&L appears unprofessional.
John P. Normanson @ 67:
I disagree with many points here.
First, Matthews appears to taking the high ground but is really blurring issues. It is nothing more than the MSMedia creating a narrative simplifying the debate. To Matthews everything political is a bipolar world with no nuance or reality for that matter.
Secondly, there is great difference between impeachment -- which is held within the political meat grinder of Congress and meant to decide political fates -- and the deliberate & boring procedural actions of a court trial -- which is held under the messy business of precedent law and meant to decide criminal fates.
Thirdly, the is a difference in the underlying infractions. Clinton was impeached on a breach of a moral indiscretion -- the boy cheated on his wife. Libby was brought to trial for a criminal offense -- the boy destroyed covet operations and thus jeopardized national security.
Last but not least, let's look at the nature of the charges by which obstruction was committed. One charge was the no-answer from a guy (Clinton) about a blow job he got from a woman (Sweet Monica) that had little to do with the investigation (Paula Jones). The other charge was deliberate obstruction from a guy (Scooter Libby) that had everything to do with the investigation (the outing of a covert CIA agent and possible protection for the VP).
Looking at the polls in both cases, the general public is definitely seeing the issues in a different light from what the MSMedia sees.
What is the meaning of the phrase "O'Beirne's logic?"
All I saw was O'Beirne flinging feces.
Equivalence: Clinton lies under oath about his sex life while Libby outs a covert CIA agent and destroys an entire covert operation at Brewster Jennings (tasked with tracking nuclear weapons, no less... which Iraq didn't have, no less).
Why is this partisan whore on TV?
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Correction as to # 82:
Clinton issued a pardon to Marc Rich with the understanding that Rich would pay
a fine of $100Million...but Rich did in fact flee this Country and is now living somewhere
in either Switzerland or Spain...and cannot return to US until/unless he pays the $100Million.
And, Rich's involvement was w/Iraq and not Iran as I misspoke...
Good job by bipolar Tweety to call out this shrill old bag but he conveniently forgot that impeachment is not a conviction. Libby WAS convicted. And Clinton never aided and abetted in a treasonous act, either. Looks like we are comparing apples and oranges. Did he mention that? No? Why how shocking. What a save-ass coward.
The Libby Decision: Pinning Down Hypocrisy
Watch MSNBC’s Chris Matthews do it HERE.
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bmw 528 @ 89:
It's because all of them-there news reporters/journalists(actually, "Entertainers) don't
have a clue as to the relevant facts...they just "play it by ear" and let the important
issues/questions go unanswered. Not only Tweety, but ALL of those clowns on all
of the MSM TV shows. They are a disgrace...Suggest we all just watch Jon Stewart's
"Daily Show" go get the real low-down..
Tweet, tweet Chris, is so full of himself, trying to look " fair and balance" what a dam fool he is. I can't believe this woman is making millions on lies.
With a few exceptions, Doggiebobo, the MSM today is a total disgrace. They are little more than tools that their manipulative corporate masters use to tell the public what THEY think we should hear. The truth is the first casualty. Thank goodness for Jon Stewart, Keith Olbermann, Stephen Colbert and others like them that have a shred of dignity and integrity left.
So what. Clinton should be roundly criticized for the pardon of Rich.
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I agree with "Bill T". I've seen Matthews be reasonable and then next thing I know he's sipping the Kool Aid again! I Tivo his show and whenever O'Brien is on I fast forward through her crap.
Otay @ 66:
What is misty-ped?
Oh... never mind
She sure clammed up at the end didn't she?
And boy was she steamed!
I guess you could call her a...*wait for it*...
"Steamed Clam". *rim shot*
Good night everybody!
AConfederacyofDunces @ 94:
I do not disagree...BUT the humor(if there is any) or irony is that Scooter L. represented
Rich in his legal case against the U.S. Gov. and Scooter, defending Rich, said that no
law was violated....
See, Clinton got a blowjob and said it wasn't sex. kick the hillbilly out of office sez the right. Scooter essentially outed a CIA agent, an offense of treason, but that's okay. i guess it's okay to piss on the flag and wipe your ass with a copy of the constitution today. especially today.
She prefers to be called "Snappy" O'Bierne.
Of coarse Christopher Mathews did not say that Libby committed
treason assisted by Army and Cheney and a few others.
They couldn't prove intent so they had to
go after perjury to the FBI no less. She was covert.
I remember not reading a ten page article ABOUT the WSJ. The very last
graph was the kicker and I paraphrase one of the top editors...if a conservative
republican politician was found to be an adulterer we would defend him. It's not
fair but thats the way it is. Yes Katie O'Beirne, you do your job well...and you are
loyal too.
As a typical non-voter drowning in debt would say over his beer 'they're all liars
and cheats anyway'. Or the rare citizen who votes and who owes even more would
say over the same beer 'thats why I'm voting libertarian because they're all the
same and they're all owned by the corporations anyway...'
Nice going guys. O'Beirne will buy you all a beer when another republican
walks into Casablanca.
Kate doesn't sound so snappy in this clip...
This is what he is supposed to be doing every day of the week, not swooning over the Aqua-Velva Man and letting Ann Coulter laughingly walk all over him.
Watching Matthews work is like watching a first year journalism student learn the job. Hope he keeps up the hard work and maybe someday he'll be a real full-time journalist, and actually earn that immense salary he draws.
No surprise the right wing pundits/propagandists will try too spin this commutation of Scooter "Benedict Arnold" Libby as a "victory for republicans" but its a mere "feel good moment" for them in their delusional belief that their 29% base of die hards who will eat any kind of dung they are fed from their pundits/propagandists as long as it is right wing dung...., just like their big party in 2004, when they in glee/joy were happy of their election victory then, and bragging of ushering in 40 years of dominance of their party and agenda..., it was short lived glee/joy, when reality set in on fiasco of Iraq war, and their propaganda machine at fox news was unable too spin it as going all well and good, and the left wing main stream media conspiracy failed with all the body bags of dead US soldiers, maimed/wounded real heros returning home, and they just could not get their spin miesters Bill Oreilly, Sean Hannity, Glen Beck and company too spin it as mere left wing media biase, reality has a tendency too sink in eventually for the 71% of us whom are either democrats or independants and this hypocrisy of commuting a traitors sentence with attempts of spinning it on the basis of covert CIA agent versus non covert CIA agent, seems too completely fly over the heads of the right wing pundits/propagandists that "CIA agent" is prime key words, whether covert or not, CIA agent is only word anyone with common sense is going too hear.., their feel good moment with this commutation is like cutting off ones own nose too spite ones face, just as they pandered too their right wing fringe racist/bigots on hispanic hystery, costing them that all important 40% edge of hispanic voters..., this will further deepen that 71% whom they cannot depend on as die hard right wing dung eating fans.., a bitter taste is in that independant voters mouth, from that dung dinner they were fed in 2004, the old saying that dog will not hunt anymore is a fact...! Like Nixons firing of Watergate prosecutor, Bush's commutating and hinting at full pardon for Scooter "Benedict Arnold" Libby is a moment of truth, when even the most blind can see how he is protecting the un-indicted Cheney, Rove & Armitage....and ultimately himself....Cheney/Rove/Armitage are like the bungling burglars lead by G. Gordon Liddy, with ole G. Gordon Liddy playing the Scooter Libby part, only difference is G. Gordon Liddy had gonads and kept his mouth shut, and Libby was feared of becoming a singing canary....
It is dilusional for the Republicans to expect any non extreme partisan to actually believe that "inmate 28301-016 (Scooter) was lying and hiding no underlying crime and that exposising Plame was retribution at Joe Wilson. That it means something that Wilson was selected for the Niger trip by his wife and that means iWilson's findings was false.
What I want to point out is that Cheney outed Plame to discredit Wilson for his findings and going public. Which undermined Cheney's pretense for pre empted war under the guise pf a smoking gun of a mushroom cloud from Iraq.
It was not about getting even with Joe Wilson. It was about discrediting the message and doing it by smearing the messenger. It was about preventing the American people from the facts that concluded Cheney's pre empted Iraq War reasoning was a false one.
Lets not stray off into the spinning whirlpool of "Cheney's personal political revenge)on Wilson, via Plame and the entire CIA Gold plated intelligence network she worked for.
We must take our country back from all of the ENRON CEO's. This encludes those as Dheney/Halibuton. Ken Lay and Cheney's energy policy is just one crime on America.
They've watched too much 24 hrs and Sopranos to where they are acting out their fantasies on America..
For now on can we al simply refer to I Lewis "Scooter" Libby as --" Inmate #28301-016 for now on.?
He will always be remembered as inmate #28301-016 to me. That is how I shall always refer to Libby for now on.........................................................................
" Tweety is “playing a game”..tomorrow he will be lamblasting someone on the Left.
He is worse than that little lizzard that changes colors when needed."
You are referring to chameleonms, who are entirely blameless critters who blend into their environment to avoid being eaten by stronger creatures all around them. It is simple preservation.
Come to think of it, Tweety is doing the same thing, isn't he? But the lizard is only covering up himself, not a multitude of jounalistic sins.
So, apologize to the chameleon, please.
Milo
:-) Kurt @ 53:
Speaking of "Crazy"
"We Think You're Crazy" revised to make it about bush and cheney... by give2shitz.com via http://www.bradblog.com/?p=4757
Even in appearing to be objective Tweety falls short. Tweety nails O'Beirne for the inconsistency in her positions between the Clinton and Libby perjury/obstruction instances, but then lumps both instances together as though each man lied and obstructed on matters of equal gravity.
Clinton lied about getting it on with a young intern.
Libby lied to coverup the outing of a covert CIA operative.
Hardly apples to apples.
Something that ought to be challenged: Clinton did NOT admit to perjury and obstruction of justice. That is strictly fantasy.
I'm pretty sure there is a lot of blackmail & bribery going on in washington, especially among the old guard of the MSM. I don't know what Kate O'Bierns dirty little secret is but someone does and she's doing their bidding.
Jeffrey Davis @ 110:
As long as were dealing with reality. Clinton was acquitted by the senate. His lie didn't fit the legal definition of perjury. Libby was convicted - the judge said the evidence was overwhelming. His sentence was not excessive; it was less than the one upheld by the supreme court just a few months ago for the same charge.
Not surprisingly, the American people are ahead of Matthews on this one too.
Then Chris tried to give Kate an out since she couldn't think of one quick enough. Yes Chris Matthews the Republican hack with his Republican hack talking points.
Speaking of hypocrisy and the "Bill Clinton pardoned criminals too!" meme...
Trivia question: What attorney helped secure Marc Rich's pardon from Bill Clinton?
Answer: I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby
Tweety misses the big difference between Clinton and Scooter. Clinton was railroaded by a rabid right wing prosecutor on a witch hunt to overthrow a twice Democratically elected president but who couldn't nail Clinton on Whitewater, which is what Ken Starr was appointed to investigate, so he turned the investigation to Clinton's consensual sexual relations with an intern...not exactly Mark Foley soliciting underage page boys against their will mind you....where as Scooter obstructed justice about Dick Cheney's treasonous act of outing a CIA agent working to keep Americans safe from the REAL WMDs, as opposed to the fake WMDs used to justify the Bush regime's war crimes in the invasion of Iraq.
Why doesn't Bush apply the same capital punishment laws for the crime of murder to members of his own administration who pushed for the war in Iraq that he applied to the poor, middle class, underage and retarded people he sent to death for capital crimes as governor of Texas where the "pro-life Christian" signed more death warrants than any other US governor.
More right wing double standard and application of laws between the haves and have nots. Surprise, surprise.
My understanding of the Clinton impeachment is that the Senate Democrats who voted against Clinton's conviction were not deciding whether Clinton had or had not committed perjury. Rather, they were voting on whether he should be removed from office, something different altogether.
Who is this Kate and why do we care? Impeach!
Ahh, so if you don't admit it, you're not actually guilty. Gotcha.
excuse me mathews????
obstruction of justice regarding a blow job from 21 year old intern -- compared to obstrruction of justice regarding the outing of a covert cia operative? what agenda are you on man?!!!!
you're sick....
Who pays that self-righteous broad???
I'm learning all kinds of tricks for my trial. "I don't recall." "If I don't admit it, you can't send me to jail," your Honour. "My e-mails went missing, so did my memory, and my fingerprints. Ha ha ha!" Sure let's make the judicial system into a circus; fitting for a banana republic.
Remember. It's Clinton's fault. It's always been Clinton's fault
Tweety stomped on that stupid bitch like the ignorant, hypocritical, Repug. cockroach she is.
Tweety bird is the ultimate flip-flop.
Corporate media FTL!
Jeannie See @ 8:
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Now that's funny!
This Nasty Ugly Old Skank Whore still breathes, whatta shame . . .
Every so often Tweety shows flashes of being a real journalist. Too bad those flashes are so few and far between.
katie o is as much of a bitch as tony snow. So partisan that her head is likely to explode if she doesn't take every opportunity to stick the screws to Bill Clinton.
This country is in such bad shape, that this may well be one of the last 4th of July celebrations that are held in the absence of an "open bush dictatorship".
I gave up on Mathews after his mAnn Coulter fuckfest.
In regards to Kate, Sean, BillO, Ann, Rush, and Malkin: good thing for them breathing is involuntary. Their brains are no doubt as smooth as a glass table.
Shitball mit matthews is a fucking dweeb coulter makes him cum in his diaper.
I really love what I've seen lately - the OLD Chris Matthews coming back! Nice.
I don't understand how Kate continues to be on MSNBC. She has major conflicts of interest. She has been a hypocrit for a very long time. Her husband was one of the cronies who hired civilians for Iraq and asked who they voted for, and probably whether they use contraceptives.
Bloody nonsense. Bill Clinton disgraced the oval office. (And you guys would put him back there in a heartbeat to relive the Happy Days when Islamic terrorism was made invisible.) Whereas Scooter Libby (Joseph K.) was the victim of a prosecution in search of a crime.
Jose Chung: Whereas Scooter Libby (Joseph K.) was the victim of a prosecution in search of a crime.
Which this whole Ken Starr affair was not..?? You gotta be kidding me. As if Starr wasn't looking for years and years for a crime and settled for lying about a blowjob. (Which you yourself of course never did but wished you had.)
"The underlying crime" in this case w a s found. And it w a s the same one the went after in the first place. But they couldn't convict the felons - who are known, mind you - because of Scooter's perjury. So he got what he was due. Save for the faux-pardon. Compare this to Starr's looking-for-Whitewater-but-only-finding-Monica mission.
It's your guys who disgrace the Oval office, day in day out.
Kate the differents between Clinton and Libby are, Libby was tried by the peoples of this land, Democrats, Republicans, and Independents and found guilty, Clinton was tried by the Republicans congress and the counts found him not guilty.
Jose Chung @ 135:
And dismantling the Constitution is not a disgrace to the Oval Office? Isn't there something that occurs on Inauguration Day where someone (now who could that be...?) puts a hand on the Bible and swears to uphold the Constitution?
And how far back do we get to go in citing different Administrations and what they did? If we can go back 6 or 7 years to make arguments about what is happening here and now why don't we also include Poppy Bush's "mistakes" and cite them as well. It's an exercise in nothing to always refuse to talk about the current outrage just because you can make a huge leap and equate it to something Clinton did. You people sound like parrots.
I prefer to debate what is is than what torture is.
That was a torturous sentence wasn't it?
Longer than Libby served.
Presidents only constitutionally have the power to pardon and reprieve, not commute.
Accepting a pardon is accepting guilt. A reprieve is only a temporary measure.
Commuting a sentence is basically overthrowing both a judge's and a juries decisions.
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