Whither Goes Bush, So Too, Goes Crawford
There's a delicious sense of schadenfreude to this story.
From a wooden bench in front of a shop selling mementos of "The Western White House," tourist Chuck Yorde wondered aloud why he seemed to be the only visitor in town.[..]
The Youngstown, Ohio, resident was almost apologetic about his own presence in the town that hosts President George W. Bush's 1,600-acre ranch. He said he was visiting his sister in nearby Gatesville who's "a big Bush fan. ... She dragged me over here."
Shuttered storefronts and eroding retail sales figures show tourism and the Bush memorabilia business are slumping in this once-sleepy farm-and-ranch town of 732 residents.
A for-sale sign is the only thing in the smudged window of the turn-of-the-century, two-story brick building that once housed the Crawford Country Style store. "The numbers just weren't working," said Norma Nelson Crow, who closed the shop at the beginning of the year.[..]
Bill Johnson, owner of the Yellow Rose, Crawford's largest gift shop, said he has been stocking more Texana and Americana items in response to the drop-off in sales of Bush merchandise. "We're changing our mix," Johnson said. "As a business we have to do what we have to do to be successful."
The comments attached to the article are worth a laugh or two as well...
first?
Remember Hoovervilles.
This is Bushville.
HEH. They built cottage businesses around this failed idiot. And like every other business that GW Bush has ever been involved in, they collapsed! LOL!
Oh wellll. Maybe the people of Crawford will hope that Michael Moore will come down and do a movie about THEM.
What's wrong, Crawford. Too much economic "trickling" coming down on you.
Hey! I'm a conservative now. So, my advice to you all...don't be looking for government handouts, we're ALL equal ya know. And we're all on our own. So, can't feed your kids. SUCKS TO BE YOU. CAN'T pay your mortgage? Sucks to be YOU.
Oh, and be sure to file bankruptcy...and see how THAT works out for ya! LOLOLOL!
In the spirit of craven idol, Dick Cheney.
Crawford, go FUCK YOURSELF.
I hear the "Worthless Pricks R Us" shop is doing quite well
I guess we can get the GW Bush bobblehead dolls reeeeally cheap now.
Perhaps the shops of Crawford just need to offer better George W. Bush gifts and memorabilia.
For example, how about a t-shirt of Laura Bush famously saying, "Jack Daniels or Me!"
Or for $1.00, autographed copies of President Bush's iPod Playlist...
Do you think President Bush should admit his strategy in Iraq is flawed?
Freep this poll!!! The L.A. Daily News ran a New York Times story today about the pressure on the White House after the recent GOP defections concerning the war in Iraq.
This paper's readership generally leans to the right. The fact that only 53% of their readers agreed with Bush commuting Libby's sentence is a wake-up call.
Today's poll is currently at 67.88% AGREEING that Bush should admit his strategy in Iraq is flawed. Let's send a message!!! Vote now and vote often!
Bush has been a failure wherever he has been. A mediocre academic career, an alcoholic and drug addict, failed oil businesses, ran the Texas Rangers poorly, a mediocre (at best) Govenor and probably the worst President in the history of this fine country. He is a black plague, a curse. Of course Crawford would be a failure if he resides there.....
Grrrr ... link didn't work.
Poll can be found here
http://www.dailynews.com/
Angry One @ 5:
How about George Bush propeller beanies.
The "Decider" Dart board.
George Bush Rocking Horse
The Pocket "Decider" Magic 8 Ball
U.S. Constitution Toilet Paper
Official Signing Statement Notepad
For the Kids
The Official toy Presidential Chainsaw
Oh, and of course assorted toy guns, grenades, rocket launchers, sand gray youth uniforms, etc etc etc.
"Bankrupting a country one city at a time"
~ herr dubyah, 2007.
And for the ladies...
The Laura Bush Commemorative Flask
Official "I'm with STUPID" t-shirt
"Teach your dog to "obey" Lesson Book
For the Kids
The Official toy Presidential Chainsaw
But read the fine print, kids:
Batteries and U.S. Constitution sold separately.
The free market has spoken! And it seems to be saying, "Bush, you suck!"
Good, God, it's like one of those Twilight Zone episodes in which a whole town is kidnapped by aliens and planted on a distant planet and they don't even know it.
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
Joementum @ 13:
Yes. But not well.
Glad to see the people of Texas hate him as much as the rest of us. Maybe now they'll do their part to put an end to the Bush-as-cowboy myth.
As for his library, I figure in Dumbya's case a bookshelf should suffice.
Liberal AND Proud @ 4:
Made in China with dioxin laden plastic, covered in lead paint and stuffed with sawdust and nails? No thanks.
The people fully understand the root of the problem across our states, cities and towns.
Millions are way beyond the economic propaganda.
People are not stupid.
As millions of regular people, young and old, see and experience first hand what has happened to their lives and their country over the last 7 years...
The Truth just doesnt stop just because our Public Airwaves and cable is polluted with sensationalized
trash and insane opinions disguised as news.
History: Enablers of Robber Barons and Criminals always loose.
History: The good of America and the good people of America will always win.
Its just a matter of time.
And of course...
The Dick Cheney "Shoot an Old Man In the Face" video game
The Dick Cheney Vampire Teeth
Dick Cheney Iraqi Children's Blood (the kid's LOVE this one)
Dick Cheney Paper Shredder
Dick Cheney Executive Branch Disappearing Ink
NY Times: White House floats balloon that Bush may be changing his mind about staying in Iraq. More like, last few sane people in the WH are starting to panic.
They can sell copies of the Constitution with the parts that bush didn't like cut out of them. That might be a winner. Or try little flag covered caskets that say on the side, brought to you by Crawford's favorite idiot.
Pretty soon the businesses of Crawford will be hoping for a return visit from Cindy Sheehan.
I can't fault Mr. Johnson for stocking different items to keep his business going. I would probably do the same thing if that was my means for making a living. I know its a little crude but I wonder if he might consider selling naked pictures of the Bush twins? Nah, scratch that idea. The fundies wouldn't like it and besides, people like Ted Haggerd like naked guys anyway.
More More More..
The Condi Rice Toy Oil Tanker
Condi Rice "Guide to Success By Treating Your Boss Like Your Husband"
Original Copies of NSA Alerts, signed by Condi herself. NEW! Never Opened!
pissed off patricia @ 20:
How about little souveneir coffins inscribed with "Support The Troops"
"Official Signing Statement Notepad"
LOL - I'll take two dozen!!!
PNAAC Minister @ 25:
Sorry. Out of stock.
We got a HUGE order from 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue in Washington DC.
You mean nobody is willing to pay top dollar for cleared brush? Shocking, really.
Smirk With Me Elmo
Personally, I would like to buy a box of Saddam Hussein's WMD that Bush claims were in Iraq. I can use the empty box to put stuff in.
The Crawford Country Style store was a nice little store if its the one I'm thinking of.
When I worked in the area in 2003, several employees were all staring at me the whoel time I shopped there. I was an outsider...
Good one, Liberal and Proud, comment 24
Maybe the small animals that Karl Rove "pulled the tops off"
CD of Karl Rove Rapping to MC Rove
The Rumsfeld doll comes with the accessory that it has, not the one you wish it had.
Boom Bust Cycle? Or Law of Diminishing Returns?
pissed off patricia @ 31:
LOLOLOL! That's BEAUTIFUL!! LOLOL!
"Home of the WMD" boxer shorts.
Weaseldog @ 30:
In a way, those people at the store would give me the creeps. Your description of them reminds me of the way the pod like clones in the movie "Invasion of the body snatchers" would look at someone that wasn't one of them.
Junior Warrantless Wiretapping Kit.
Spy on your enemies. Spy on your friends. Spy on your sister.
Loads of fun.
Crawford always has Ted Nugent to prop up the slumping Bush sales. Nugent kind of shot himself with his support of King Petulant Prick but hes still a half decent guitar player so hes worth more than Bush.
Replica C4 Transport with removable coffins.
Accessory George W. Bush scale replica doll not available.
The owner of the gift shop should quickly sell the store, once Bush retire in Crawford, Crawford will become another ghost town for sure !
This analogy says it all for me.
Clinton commands up to 200 k for a major speaking engagement.
Bush will be lucky to get a 6 pack and fuckin bus fare.
Your very own mission accomplished cod piece. Makes things appear larger than they really are.
Your very own Laura bush contact lenses. You too can appear to have absolutely nothing between your ears.
And finally, copies of Jenna and Not Jenna favorite shot glasses.
Official anti terrorism kit - includes duct tape and plastic sheeting.
"Follow Me Home" Osama Electronic Doll
Col Kilgore @ 40:
Don't worry, the ultra-wealthy will take turns givinghim KFC money for years to come.
What would a blogger action figure look like?
The Crawford kitsch looks as bad as stuff from the old Bedazzler Kit commercial
The difference between Clinton and boosh is the former could buy lunch at McDonalds and get change for his five.
Whereas the latter would purchase le boef avec frumage et la baguette, and not only use up all of his fifty, but have to send the chauffeur back to the car for some petty cash.
Speaking of Cheney(s)
Speaking of the Constitution.
Where is the city that has a STREET named after every signer of the Constitution.
--> Madison Wisconsin (picture from July 4, 2007)
http://musicbenefits.net/madisonconstitution.jpg
Every traitor or criminal that abuses our Constitution should be jailed in Madison Wisconsin.
symbolic?
DICK started but never finished doctoral political science studies at the University of Wisconsin-Madison.
LYNN Cheney received a Ph.D. in 19th century British literature from the
--> University of Wisconsin-Madison.
hmmmm... symbolic Declaration?
If we think how important it is..
Every state should have a city named after every signer of the Constitution.
The George W. Bush Magic Fingers Massage Chair (not sold in Germany)
You can't forget the George W. Bush Katrina reactionary Kit. All of its assembly is required to be done by you and it offers no instructions on how to put it back together. Included is a note though saying "heckuva job Brownie!".
Why doesn't he just stay in Crawford--for ever?
ysbaddaden @ 44:
The comic book guy from the Simpsons comes to mind.
Why would I go to Crawford, TX to get a memento of the Bush presidency. I flush a bowlful of them down the toilet every morning.
You know Bush only bought the farm as a prop for his first gubernatorial run. He's based in Dallas and will be after the election (see his presidential "liebary" at SMU). I have no doubt he'll sell the farm as soon as he leaves office and moves back to a mansion in Dallas.
I actually feel sorry for this small town that's been used and abused by this president. I feel pity for them. They're not rich people there. These are just more people on the list of people screwed over for the interests of this presidency.
The Heckuva Job Brownie mix and the Bush Pretzels have never been big sellers.
Well, don't know about the rest of Texas or the sister over in Gatesville or whatever it's called.. But sounds like the folks in Crawford are getting the message on Bush's popularity and republican politics such as that might be in todays world.... In that singularly free hand of the market kind of way... I'd say it's poetic justice but not sure they all deserved to be sandbagged in this way.. I guess the only real lesson such as it is probably applies to the entire country.. That would be, be careful who you crawl in bed with... Ya just might wake up the next day with something a little worse than feas..............JD
I bet the Clinton store has an adult section.
Can't think of a better way to spend time than visiting that redneck shithole.
Maybe they can open a second branch of the Creationists Museum.
Liberal AND Proud @ 23:
And....
- Katrina Funland toy: Its just a little city inside of an aquarium that crumbles and disappears after a few weeks,.You just look at it untils its gone.
- Bushopoly game: Its like monopoly. make lots of money. Instead of buying property and utilities, its branches of government. And oh yeah, no jail cards or jail.
And don't forget:
- Toilet paper with the Constitution printed on it
They could always sell cow chips and call em turd blossums.
The Barbie, gives bush a bj, doll. This doll has also been called the, Barbie Saves the World, doll.
Col Kilgore @ 40:
if things panned out this way i would say that, as a country, we might be okay...
but, i think he'll ask for and receive a huge fee for speaking.
where, you ask?
megachurches.
i can imagine the fundies will spend serious cashola to see jesus h bush nonsensically ramble. incomplete sentences and thoughts, disjointed logic and reasoning, faulty history and facts, are all okeedokee with this crowd, as long as he says 'jesus loves america' or some other pander-like muttering. a poor speech, poorly delivered matters not to the fundies as long as the speech is peppered with jesus, fear and hate.
Sounds about right - everything Bush ever touched turned to sh*t. He's a miserable failure.
Reality has finally overtaken Crawford, which used to be as fake as Madame Toussaud's wax figures. But still, why is it that we never see Bush cutting brush any more? Has the brush stopped growing? For what purpose was it ever cleared in the first place? (We were never told that, were we?) And I can't remember the last time I saw that old tractor parked in front of the little storage barn---the reporters always used to pose in front of that, as if it were their duty to help Bush with his "country" image.
Really appalling. A town made famous by a phony guy.
How popular do you think a boosh version of the board game Operation would be?
A favorite is the "My folks went to Crawford Tx and all I got was an orange jumpsuit" t-shirt.
Orange jumpsuits sold seperately.
They hoped that investing in a looser would make them rich. Suckers. Can't say I feel sorry for them.
Samson- @ 60:
This is a little off topic, but I saw a bumper sticker on a car the other day: Honk if You Love Jesus. Now, living in NC I would expect a constant chorus of honking, but there was not one beep. What does this mean? Could it be there are fewer Jesus lovers than this 'christian nation' believed to be so?
James Weidman @ 62:
pickles started using a dilapidary?
At the drugstore: The Katherine Harris Make-up Collection
At the bookstore: Text Messaging for Dummies by Mark Foley
One of those little box-under-the-coat receivers like Bush wore in the presidential debates would be handy. For an extra $5 bucks, reduced from $7000, you can also purchase a hand-written transcript penned by Karl Rove himself. That way your handler can feed powerful comments directly to your wire from behind the curtain whenever you are forced to speak on subjects about which you know absolutely nothing and care about even less.
My Pet Goat Beanie Babies
If you went through all the comments on the article 90% were against Bush. One lady, we'll call her Carol, said she would never vote for a Democrat because they're all liars and smoke pot. Then she went on to name the liars and pot smokers, Clinton Carter and NIXON. Yep, these Bush supporters have some good book learning. First time that I've seen someone call Nixon a democrat.
Maybe if they put out a line of boosh brand enema bags.
Also at the bookstore, "'Bring 'Em On' and Many More Never-Fail Pick-Up Lines"
Dan Vera @ 52:
Screw Dallas. Bush recently bought a 1000 acre ranch in Venezuela, favorite playground of many rich and famous fascists seeking the "quiet" life.
Damn Greg, Fox News is going to be angry that Carol beat them to it. They had plans to label Nixon a Democrat next time they showed his picture on the air.
Dale @ 55:
Of course it does. He's a MAN!
#21 Dale say it all in one simple little sentence. Mrs. Sheehan's Camp Casey will bring more business that ole Dubya ever could.
Now dontcha just hate how she and all those people were treated when they were in Crawford. Next time they meet, betcha they'll be welcomed with open arms.
The roosters are coming home to hatch.
Kudzu to Dale for hitting on that point.
This is recycled news story that has been published before in 2004, 2005, 2006 and now in 2007. This is another example of liberal media negative propaganda.
Bush's popularity among the evangelical christians, nationalists, and former communists is solidifying and rising, and this is really the story, not old recycled news.
Left Behind Advocate @ 78:
Wow. The GOP Women's caucus just had a communal orgasm!
How about:
a handy, invisible ink, subpoena-proof "RNC email" note pad, that reads at the bottom, "If captured, swallow this"
a set of gag glasses that magically allow you not to see past your own nose
a Bush to English dictionary
Left Behind Advocate @ 78:
and you can file this "real story" right next to Saddam Hussein's WMD.
They should stock "Bring it On" Hot Sauce.
Joe O. @ 81:
Left Behind Advocate @ 78:
You mean 24%ers, and thats not news - its just a sad example of how stubborn people can be when they're wrong.
nsr @ 19:
There are sane people in the WH? Who'da thunk it.
I was gratified that the largest gift shop is "The Yellow Rose of Texas," Gore Vidal's nickname for our favorite draft-dodgin' alcoholic Codpiece warrior.
Liberal AND Proud @ 79:
Is that what I smell?
Left Behind Advocate @ 78:
You mean 30% racing its way to a whopping 31% ? .....former communists? Don't forget this imaginary article also mentioned a rise in popularity among born-again Mormons, Catholic Norweigan Seperatists and donut shop owners in the tri-state area.
ysbaddaden @ 86:
I was wondering why all those cats were congregating around the Capitol Building! LOLOL!
Gawwwd. I''m sorry I'm sorry...I couldn't resist!
Bad L&P, BAD!!
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Wasn't Bush the Mayor of Flynt Michigan once upon a time? Or did the head of GM just take the same classes in economics that Bush did?
Birds of a feather . . .
Liberal AND Proud @ 88:
Makes me what to reach out for some chips and malted vinegar.
Left Behind Advocate @ 78:
"left behind advocate" advocating "real news", ohhh, now that is rich!!
lemme guess, you sell real estate on the dark side of the moon, too?
CK2795 wrote:
artvandelay, Bush is the most spineless of them all. He was spineless as Governor and even more so nowadays.
As for books in the Bush Library:
The Dummies Guide to Stealing the Presidency
Mommy Still Dresses Me
Maybe I Talk Good One Day
Men are from Mars, Bush is....just Stupid
Even My Wife Thinks I'm an Idiot
Why Won't My Parents Return My Calls?
Awesome, simply awesome.
their is a solution to crawfords delima, they could become the worlds largest dildo manufacturing city, it will make them seem to be smarter then they are, in fact if they sold dildos that have actually been used on the american tax payers they could make a fortune off of the really stupid repigs who are just waiting to vote for another has been actor like fred thompson!!!!!
CK2795 wrote:
artvandelay, Bush is the most spineless of them all. He was spineless as Governor and even more so nowadays.
As for books in the Bush Library:
The Dummies Guide to Stealing the Presidency
Mommy Still Dresses Me
Maybe I Talk Good One Day
Men are from Mars, Bush is....just Stupid
Even My Wife Thinks I'm an Idiot
Why Won't My Parents Return My Calls?
Funny.
Maybe they should sell bicycles that won't slip on those "wet roads" that magically appear in Crawford in the middle of a drought causing folks to fall as if they were drunk. They could probably sell a good 100 of those.
How about "No Childs Left Buhind" edumacational kits. Cuz "rarely is the questioned asked: Is our children learning?"
I'd like to see them set up a foundation that will prove Mr. Bush right: that human being and fish can coexist peacefully.
But I jest. This is a serious problem. I'm sure the fine folks of Crawford are having a heckuva time putting food on their family.
What we need here is a noocular plant. That will save our town.
Bush is circling the drain and so goes Crawford and so goes everything associated with Bush. He will go down with a big flush and leave only the stench behind. Good riddance.
Left Behind Advocate @ 78:
Apparently, these guys aren't going with your program:
Republicans Uniting Around Proposal for 2008 Iraq Withdrawal
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=a73cTD2DUx2k&refer=us
socaldem @ 12:
Oh that's too funny.
Maybe Crawford, TX should do what Bill Maher said. Open up a Bush screw up theme restaurant.
"Oh should I get the Harriet Myers Meat Loaf or the Katrina Crab Cakes?"
Is Cindy the former model changing her last name soon?
sure hope crawford doesnt have to lay off thoes cops that they used to harras camp casey, it be a shame if the bastards wound up being night watchmen at the local sewer filtration plant!
"Practice Your Love" Home Gynological Kit
"Cross your fingers and pray" Home Pregnancy Test
Don't worry Crawford. We'll soon be sending your adopted son back to you and then you'll know true economic destruction. He likes playing king and you folks will be all that he'll have left to play with.
Enjoy.
"I've Got Rythym" - Ballroom Dancing and Birth Control Manual
Toilet paper with George Bush's face is a sure-fire money-maker.
Also t-shirts with: Dick + Bush = Fucked
ysbaddaden @ 63:
They could call it "Torture."
Just What I Think @ 106:
Or GOP National Healthcare
Liberal AND Proud @ 4:
And use them for target practice.
The Use Your Own Tools Free Market Home Healthcare Kit - includes rubber gloves. Mail in offer for silver scalpel molded from the silver found in vaults in the basement of the World Trade Center ($39.99 plus shipping and handling).
Crawford should initiate a "diamond lane" going through town. For a nominal fee, you can wiz through without being forced to stop or slow down.
“We’re changing our mix,” Johnson said. “As a business we have to do what we have to do to be successful.”
More of those EVIL CORPORATIONS at work! Chumpsky told me so!
RancidVenison @ 111:
spellings all correct senrencing well spaced shows real breeding!
sorry rotton deer meat sentencing!
Why would anybody go down there, it would be like going to Cleveland and swimming in the Cuyahoga River.
Actually, stop picking on Texas, it's not nice to pick on retarded people.
sorry i didnt mean to suggest folks in crawford texas had flush toilets, family four holers are more like it
Crawford. Home of George W. Bush, mangler of democracy, freedom and the English language.
Its actually quite sad how no one on either side of this argument seems capable of paying attention to either the past or the facts. Sadder yet is the left's inability to mount a single constructive argument anywhere on this blog (112 entries as I write and almost all are petty/childish insults).
The counter argument to your idiocy is simple. Pay attention to history, many of us in uniform new this would be a long fight. You don't need to look further than the reconstruction following both world wars and Korea. There is still a significant US military presence in Germany, Japan and Korea, when you obliterate a foreign power's military you pick up an obligation to provide the support and defense necessary for that fledgling nation to get back on track. Pulling out now would waste every life given in Iraq and leave a power vacuum Syria and Iran would be only too happy to fill. Anyone here capable of explaining how that development would improve national security please explain.
bubba @ 116:
I don't speak English; I speak Texan.
I don't ever recall a president who did not allow certain people to attend events where he appears. This president (or his handlers) screen out people who are not repubs. How can this be? We are ALL taxpayers and we pay for his secret service coverage AND his salary and they screen out people who are not worshipers of this idiot?? Where is this country going? Down the toilet, huh?
To Mr. or Ms. "Ignorance"...he can have your children but he can't have mine. If they hadn't lied about the reasons for going to war, perhaps people would have stayed behind them. They have LIED about EVERYTHING and you want us to continue to support them? OH HELL NO! They are the most incompetent administration in history and you can support them all YOU want. Go fight for their incompetence and lies. You go "Ignorance" and fight. Have fun while you're at it.
there is a village in texas missing an idiot!!!!!
Crawford, our Chernobyl.
$5 goes to the first person to deface that billboard
Jeannine,
Leftist Democrat party line. Your Democratic leadership also voted to send us to Iraq based on the intelligence available. To explain intelligence (not calling you stupid, just most people never need it and therefor don't need to understand the limits), intel is based on indicators, estimates, assumptions, and probabilities - far from anything even remotely concrete. While leadership on both sides of the house are waffling and back-peddling as fast as possible to save there twisted careers those of us that have reason to pay attention to current intelligence and developments in Iraq, Afghanistan, and the Horn of Africa (I've served my country in uniform for over twenty years, it's not my children going to Iraq, it's me) understand that if we don't finish what we started your children and mine will be killed by a suicide bomber, or a bomb on a bus, or chlorine and an incendiary device in a public school right smack dab in the middle of hometown America. So you cuddle your children and tell them everything will be OK and I'll say good-bye to mine again and go make sure you're not a liar.
"Bill Johnson, owner of the Yellow Rose, Crawford’s largest gift shop, said he has been stocking more Texana and Americana items in response to the drop-off in sales of Bush merchandise. “We’re changing our mix,” Johnson said. “As a business we have to do what we have to do to be successful.”
Here's a suggestion. Change the name from Yellow Rose to Yellow Cake and start selling stem cell survival kits. I predict business will pick up practically overnight!
Let's buy the whole town and turn it into a resort for people determined to see America's return to the rule of law. We'll make it very gay and liberal, and Bush can move to Cheney's bunker.
The Yellow rose should bring out a line of GW Bush and Dick Cheney voodoo dolls; they will make a killing on these.
I would even place an order for a gross of each. Christmas is coming.
Ignorance is Bliss @ 126:
lets hope when you finally wise up you dont off your next door neibhors, keep your fly shut!
Tyree,
Just the response I'd expect from a liberal. Anything constructive to say or just more name calling and childish insults? The people you put into office (Democrats) also sent us, unless you don't vote in which case your voice is empty.
listen you two bit punk i did more fighting then youll ever see and you dam fool i fought in a real war!
the days of the yellow ribbons around the old oak tree are over they dont stick many support the troop made in china stickers to thoes suvs any more and the smart soldiers allready figured out that they are flunkys just waiting to buy the farm for the oil people , i didnt fight to steal a country unlike you ,i fought to free a nation and today they remain free!
Hey 118;
I will explain. This is a war of aggression.
For 118 and 133: Right. The aggressor doesn't make the rules of engagement. All historical analogies fail unless the United States may reasonably claim the status of defender.
We invaded Iraq. Iraq isn't a nice place...but neither are Iran, Pakistan, North Korea, Darfur, Afghanistan, and Syria. Iraq wasn't threatening us, and they weren't harboring terrorists (until we invaded, which brought the terrorists in). We chose to invade them, and, as it turned out, we did so based on faulty (or rigged) intelligence. We fucked up, in plain English. Now defenders of our policy are trying to frame the argument around our security interests. That's bullshit. All that keeps us there is George W. Bush's hubris...an unwillingness to admit error and suffer a loss of face. But we've already lost face to everyone except the neo-con element at home.
Tyree,
131 childish, 132 pointless and childish. You served your country, I have nothing but respect for that - I serve mine and I get childish insults because I don't agree with your point of view. My argument is quite simple Tyree, you're an idiot incapable of independent thought, CNN and a couple of Democrats lying about why they voted for the war in the first place have done all your thinking and made all your decisions. "I fought in a real war", which one? Korea is still free because we're still there, you didn't finish that one. WWII, I served four years in Europe and the only people that appreciate what American soldiers did there are the Germans, the guys we were fighting. Vietnam? 'nuff said.
133 Have you been there Ralph? John and Jane Iraqi just want to go to work and support their family. They're glad Saddam is gone and will dime out the AQI when they're comfortable they're not under surveillance because they want them gone. Right now the 5th is the only Iraqi brigade that could be considered reasonably close to fully trained and they're actually getting pretty damn impressive. Not quite to our standards but highly motivated, professional soldiers doing an impossible job. My guess is most of your information comes from the "if it bleeds it leads" press, a CE unit opening a school or water treatment plant doesn't get the ratings so it gets skipped over.
134 we are in the role of defender, to say otherwise indicates ignorance. We entered as the aggressor to topple Saddam, right wrong or in error, and have now settled into the role of defending the borders and quelling insurgents in a country that's not our own.
My initial statement still stands, regardless of why we went we're stuck with an obligation to defend the country we rendered defenseless or face a far worse development in the future. Pulling out before the Iraqi military is ready will just leave a harder/nastier fight for our kids, imagine Iran as a super power with control of a third of the world's oil. Generally I like to make my own decisions, I live by a very simple set of rules: 1. All politicians are liars, 2. Lawyers view the constitution as an excellent document to manipulate, and 3. The press prefers ratings to facts.
Americans have lost the ability to stick it out when times get rough, it isn't smooth sailing in Iraq so we should run away and cut our losses for a little while, it probably won't catch up with till the next generation has to deal with it.
Tyree, looking forward to your next pointless little name calling fit - I recommend stupid stupid head or perhaps poopoo face as your next argument.
To Ralph and Robert Lockwood Mills,
Sorry if I said anything offensive, my rant was sparked by Tyree's dismissal of everything the guys and girls on the ground and in the air over there are trying desperately to accomplish, we're fighting for a free democratic Iraq and because we're sworn to, not for oil. Before you dismiss it, ideology does count, we're fighting for what we believe in not the politicians - it's an all volunteer force, no one's forcing us to reenlist.
ignorent is bliss hadnt you better put your armor on and go save us from the terriorists , just a bunch of pusseys playing war, try fighting with just a fucking shirt and a set of dog tags dickhead,
Tyree, You never fail to meet expectations.
ignorent is bliss, you want to stay ignorent do so, but get your facts straight slick we won our war ,our orders from the united nations were to return the lines to pre war positions get it , we did that ! i can walk down any street in south korea with my korean war vet hat on and be treated like a long lost son you on the other hand will probably be hung by the neck for your part in stealing a country for bush and his oil buddeys. you people arent fighting for our freedoms your fighting because you get paid for it, flunky plain and simple , go ahead get your ass blowed off for haliburton im sure your family will be proud you died for nothing!
Tyree,
Sadder and sadder Tyree, I've done two tours in Korea. UN forces actually pushed NK forces all the way to the Yalu river on the northern border on NKorea and then got pushed back to the pre-war position when the Chinese entered the fight. If the Chinese had stayed out of it all of Korea would be a free country not just the southern half. Also, no disrespect but SKorea was left decimated and took a long time to rebuild, they were actually considered a third world country till the eighties. Today's military honors the accomplishments and laments the failures (Vietnam was technically a political failure, micromanaged by Nixon's cronies right down to making targetting decisions - a really stupid way to wage war) of all our predecessors and would like the same respect. I've returned insult for insult, letting myself be pulled down to your level but I'm done. You're a pathetic, bitter old man resorting to insults because you don't have a real argument and I'm tired of sparing with an unarmed man unwilling to accept the fact that his view is not the only one.
I'm perfectly happy to have a reasoned discussion with anyone who has a thought out position but it will have to wait, I go on duty in a few minutes and my armor is dingy and I seem to have misplaced my vagisil.
you seem to think i know little about the korean war , yes we drove on to the yalu river even though our orders were to return our lines to the 38th parrell , and the chinese drove us back so what , as i said we did what the un asked us to do, you cant justify american troops attacking iraq , it was an agresshion , you and your buddys are no different then the nazis were when they followed hitlers lies , as i said you get paid to be the ones who slaughtered thousands of men women and children and you use patritiosm as an excuse to slaughter the people of iraq , and you can cut that bitter old man shit out buddy cause i can still kick your ass old or not!
Welcome to Crawford, leave your brain at home.
make sure you smear some on your lips!
they kick a guys brains out and he becomes a lifer!!!!!
Don't forget a "No child's behind left" bumper sticker (Trademark Foley).
and im sure after you get off watch at the ncos mess youll have plenty to say ,like you dont mind that your helping to subvert iraq and hell you might even enjoy letting cheny use you and your buddys to make that old fart richer , if you were smart youd apply to blackwater they could use a patriotic fellah like you to guard them oil wells for haliburton, like you said your all vollenteers bought and paid for by bush and the gang so you can get off that saveing america from terriorist comeing here to kill our asses, you want to do some good get your ass on the mexican border make sure them terriorists dont get here or how about checking all thoes cargos comeing in to our ports going unchecked, you dont want to discuss iraq with anyone except the ones who feel your doing the right thing , well theirs fewer and fewer of them every day, but oner thing i learned a long time ago lifers are just people who couldnt make it on the outside , enjoy the garbage filled streets of bagdad you helped make them garbage!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and sonny what makes you think im a pathetic bitter old man?i own my home its 3 yrs old paid cash for it 200.thousand bucks , one 07 toyota bought new , one 05 tarus bought new, in 05, and money in the bank , that sound like im bitter ,hell even after you wind up in a few yrs fighting the chinese ill still be happy , and youll still wind up a defeated old iraq war vet liveing off peanuts!
OMG, can you imagine really living there? Really think about it. Much worse than a twilight zone episode, or even 'Event Horizon'. How horrible. Salt the earth.
Maybe they'll be lucky and it'll just slide off the map into Mexico.
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