Hardball: Ed Schultz Talks About The Surge & Impeachment
By Logan Murphy Thursday Jul 12, 2007 1:59pm
Progressive radio talk show host Ed Schultz appeared on "Hardball" Thursday along with Karen Hanretty, former spokesperson for Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger to discuss the President's press conference earlier that day. Ed wastes no time marginalizing George Bush, his war rhetoric, the growing sentiment in America favoring his impeachment and how the Democrats are behind the curve on the issue.
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Barnicle: "Do you think people are actually listening to this president? Are they hearing him?"
Schultz: "No. No, I don't think so. I think it's a tired act, it's an old act, it's the same old stuff. He's basically trying to buy some time till September 15th, but I said this back in January. This isn't the only surge, there'll be more, nothing will change. And, for the Democrats to sit around and wait to get 60 votes and then have to get - they're going to have to get 67 cause this guy isn't going to change."
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Heh. Git 'em Ed.
Barnicle: “Do you think people are actually listening to this president? Are they hearing him?”
OIS: "Not only are they not listening or hearing him, they're not even paying attention to him. Or anybody else, for that matter. Unless, of course, you count the local sportscaster, which in that case, they are listening to somebody."
love the site. Just wondering, is John Amato free to post these clips, does he have some sort of licensing agreement with the teevee channels?
Same shit, different day.
This Administration doesn't even try to put the turds in a new bag.
GWB - "Turdblossom, the bullshit isn't working this time. Wadda we dooo?!?!"
TB - "Wash, rinse, repeat. Wash, rinse, repeat. Now get out there and say your lines or I'll call Dick."
Liberal AND Proud @ 4:
Why should it, L&P? The American public has proven time and again that it will gleefully accept a pile a shit as if it were a dozen roses.
What do you expect from a society that can make a hit out of a TV show like "Are you smarter than a 5th grader?"
Just heard on Fox news (yeah, I know. I know) that bush believes there can be "peace" in Iraq.
Wonder if he has a "gut feeling" or if he just yanked that thought right out of his commander guy butt?
No need to listen to him anymore. If you've heard one bush speech, you've heard them all. He just looks a little more lame each time, that's all.
If W and the Dick were both impeached, what would be the chance for the Democrats in the next election?
I know it sounds good and the Bush administration deserves A LOT worse, but it is counter-productive to discuss impeachment at this point. Have we all forgotten that Clinton was more popular AFTER he was impeached then before? The impeachment process sucks up a lot of time and energy that outside of Nixon, usually results in the net loss for the other side. Bush should have never been in office. This nation had a chance to remove him in 2004 and failed to do so. So now this is nothing more than our punishment for being ignorant and not realizing that election has consequences. For all those that voted, there are millions more who wore "Vote Or Die!" t-shirts and stayed at home.
Everytime a Democrat mentions impeachment, it gets the Conservative base riled up and they stop their infighting, and unite to attack the left. So STOP IT!
Bush is not getting impeached. Bush will not be removed from office before 2009. And NO ONE within his administration will ever be held accountable for what they did to this nation and to this world. Whether we like it or not, we know that is the harsh reality of his nation and we would be better served fighting the battles that we can win, some maybe long term, we can win the war of the government serving the best interests of the COMMON GOOD.
No. 8, if these two are impeached, we may have Pelosi the singing bee running the show.
In my view, we may have aliens running the white house soon. Dictators and martial law is your fate in the future.
EZ said it all.
Ed Schultz should blast the airwaves daily and wake the slumbering people of America.
I'm back, did you miss me? I've been pestering the people over at the New York Times online chat on this issue.
I think Mr. Anderson, alas, is right. As much as I'd like to see these wretched excuses for human beings gone, as much as the world NEEDS them gone, they're there to the bitter end. What the Democrats and decent Republicans need to do is to marginalize him and the thugs-that-are and make sure his real power is neutered.
No.ll Thank you Orwell! Similar fate of the Russian Revolution is going to take place in the U.S.
Communism is at work.
We the peasants will have lost the battle.
I missed u, Bad dad. Give 'em hell!
People like Barnicle do not make a very persuasive argument when they state that the administration should have listened to General Shinseki when he advised sending in 500,000 troops to, in his words, maintain the peace. Does Barnicle and also liberals seriously believe that if the current 170,000 American troops are not winning the hearts and minds of the Iraqi people, that sending in 500,000 American forces would somehow make the Iraqis feel more kindly toward the United States? Of course not, which is why when people like Barnicle and other so-called military experts discuss sending in more troops, they are merely looking at strategy instead of the reasons why more troops being sent into Iraq is never going to, understandably, placate the Iraqis. Support the troops-bring them home safely-now.
pissed off patricia @ 7:
Yes, after we leave and bring our troops home to safety there certainly will be peace.
Correction: *Safely*
EZ.
You still believe what happened in the Soviet Union was Communism? Not even close.
True Communism knows no government, no hierarchy.
It was (and we are) Socialist. The whole world soon will be. If it were truly Communist, then it would have been called the USCR, not USSR.
There is a huge difference between the two, Socialism and Communism. We're not really taught the differences, though, just as we're not really taught much at all.
Any argument that talk radio megacorporations give two shits about "profit" are put to bed by Ed Shultz. The man is a radio titan, yet ClearChannel and ABC Radio refuse to give the guy any outlet. They keep 1-share losers like Hugh Hewitt and Dennis Prager on forever, but Ed Shultz gets completely blocked out.
"Ratings" my ass. Wingnut radio exists because of ideological agenda. Not "ratings." Puh-lease.
Ed Schultz is a useful idiot. He means well, but even he doesn't know the true extent of the Globalist Elite's plan for us.
Or, if he does, he agrees to play the game, just as do Rush, Hannity, et al.
I think Al Gore should move for reconsideration of Bush v. Gore in light of the new facts that have come to light. To wit: Bush is a complete f-ing disaster. The Court can use Bush's commutation statement for Libby:
"Yes your honor, I realize that it has been 7 years since this Court's ruling, but our entire system of justice relies on people telling the truth. And if a person does not tell the truth, particularly if he serves in government and holds the public trust, he must be held accountable.
I respect the [Court's decision in 2000]. But I have concluded that the [Bush terms given to America] is excessive [and cruel and unusual under the 8th Amendment]. Therefore, I am commuting the [remaining portion of the Bush term that required him to serve roughly 18 more months as President].
Jim @ 21:
Absolutely correct....We cannot get Ed Shultz here in my local and when going to his(Ed's_
website, I note that his program reaches a very, very small listening auidence..
A question for the Democratic candidates. Which one or how many of you will have the courage to do the right thing and dismantle "Homeland Security"?!
President Bush impeached himself (again) at yesterday's press conference when he ADMITTED that somebody leaked the name of Valerie Plame... but he didn't know who it was... and he doesn't care... and, besides, it's in the past now... so let's just fer-git it and move on...
Patrick Leahy and John Conyers are trying to put together EVIDENCE. It's a slow process, and the better the evidence, the greater the chances that this won't turn into a PARTISAN HOWLING COMPETITION... which is exactly what the Republicans will try to make of it.
Very difficult decisions must be carefully weighed and considered... THEN we must:
IMPEACH!
TRY!
CONVICT!
Mister Anderson,
"Bush is not getting impeached. Bush will not be removed from office before 2009. And NO ONE within his administration will ever be held accountable for what they did to this nation and to this world."
What is your fucking solution then? How do you propose we proceed?
Nobody is doing anything to end the war. Give me a fucking break. No one is being held accountable not even Democrats who won't or can't fight for accountability.
Cowboy Bob from Austin @ 26:
Austin, Texas?????? Did you attend or plan to attend Lady Bird Johnson's memorial
services, etc. at the LBJ Library today? I did earlier and it was a wonderful experience
participating in such a cermony and celebration of a GREAT LADY.
Orwell's Illegitimate Son @ 20:
I know that there was a lot of socialistic experimentation by the Brits from around the turn of the 18th century. It took awhile, but by the 1840's there was true reform being made. Often by the insistence of religious reformers. So Marx with his version of communism was just a part of the spirit of the times, a spirit of reform, but of course he made his atheistic and fatalistic. History for Marx was a force of nature with his belief in the inevitability of the revolution of the proletariat.
The Soviet Union was more Lenistic/Stalinistic than Marxist with their Vanguard of Communism, the Party and those in power, until they became no longer necessary, and true communism would supposedly spontaneously happen.
So obviously there is a distinction between Socialism and Communism. It should also be noted that although the religious were involved to a great deal in the former, they weren't a huge bloc. In 1852, only 60 percent of the Brits were churchgoers, by 1902 it was 20 percent.
a heartfelt thank you to big eddy. i listen to him all the time and i often feel that he has not left his conservative roots quite as far back as i would like, but in this instance, he did us proud. he hits on the impeachment issue and does not allow the female voice of bush to twist the facts. in a debate, there are several on air america and the jones network who would stand up well against any of the republicans. Randy is great, al franken before he left was so bright and on top of the facts, and eddy is a pit bull. he can be persistent when he's right and he usually is. i wouldn't mind having any of them on my side in a debate.
Please don't think Ed Schultz is a liberal or a progressive. He's a middle-to-right leaning ex-jock who sounds like he's prepping himself for a run at the House or Senate by posing as a centrist.
If I dug up the bones of my long-dead cat, I'm pretty sure I could drop kick those bones farther than I trust Ed Schultz.
Let me verify that...Yep.
Orwell's Illegitimate Son @ 6:
Hell, the average kool aid republican considers "Are you smarter than a 5th grader?" educational teevee.
I would hate to be a repugnacan running in '08. People want change NOW, ad the longer the wait the more pissed off they will get. Running on a "I support the war" platform will only get you booted out of office. The local news station ran a viewer poll yesterday, 56.9% want an immedite withdrawal of forces from Iraq. this is an area that twice voted 70 -30 in favor of monkey boy. People are sick of his war.
Yellow Elephant Safari @ 32:
Liberal AND Proud @ 4:
LOL! And it's the same turd they keep polishing over and over again...
i live in san diego and i just passed by the miramar air base. can't tell you how many stickers were on the back of suv's near the base and they all supported cheney bush. make no mistake, the vast majority of the military supports this creep and his dominions. when will there be an epiphany when they see this guy for what he really is and the numbers of their brothers he has sent to their deaths for his war. and maybe his contrivance of reasons for this war isn't all there is to attach to him. we'll wait on that one but the more this administration does the more the plausibility of their involvement in far greater and more sinister doings.
Staffer: Mr. President, it's Hannity on the line?
GWB: Uh? Eh, kiddo, give me the bag?
Staffer: Which bag, sir?
GWB: The turd bag, kiddo; it's time once again to polish the turd. [Picks up phone] Hey, Seany boy, howz it?
No. 20 writes:
EZ.
You still believe what happened in the Soviet Union was Communism? Not even close.
True Communism knows no government, no hierarchy.
It was (and we are) Socialist. The whole world soon will be. If it were truly Communist, then it would have been called the USCR, not USSR.
There is a huge difference between the two, Socialism and Communism. We’re not really taught the differences, though, just as we’re not really taught much at all.
________
No. 20 & 29,
They were creating a communistic world then only to be challenged by Rome and other Christian nations. Rome is as powerful as it was then.. Who created the first and the second world wars?
In my view, we will be experiencing a communistic G-dless nation under one political dictator and a religious fanatic soon.
The Islamic fundies, Russians, Europeans, Sr. Bush & cohorts will have a new world order under the slogan "Socialism."
Inca Garcilaso de la Vega @ 35:
Or as my father would say, "They don't know s**t from Shinola."
I like that Ed brought up the impeachment issue several times. 46% (54% for Cheney) is a large percentage. How long can people inside the beltway and the MSM continue to ignore it?
Spicegal @ 40:
How much time left in the Bush Presidency?
38 EZ
Communism was only really challenged by the Church under John Paul II. That's recent history, as for the other Christian nations, most of them had polyglot religions that didn't see eye to eye even when they were ostensibly Christian. Until the late 1970's the place for religion was in church (although other churches were actively involved with the earlier Civil Rights Movement now being dismantled by other Church [Catholic] members of the Court.) Outside of America church attendance was and is quite low, yet strangely, they have less crime.
Who opposed the Communists were nationalists and corporatists who had financial interests in areas where unrest was brewing.
Mister Anderson @ 9:
Couldn't disagree wth you more. They will be held accountable. If our laws are to mean anything. If we ever hope to regain our respect in the world, and to be able to speak with any moral authority, they must be held accountable for their crimes. I am not content to wait until 2009. Now is the time for citizens of this democracy to be true patriots and stand up to the tyranny and despotism of this corrupt administration. The least of my concerns is angering the far right.
Mr. Anderson isn't really "right" because he's missing out on the context of what happened at the time.
"I know it sounds good and the Bush administration deserves A LOT worse, but it is counter-productive to discuss impeachment at this point. Have we all forgotten that Clinton was more popular AFTER he was impeached then before?"
What many have forgotten was that Clinton was not only NOT unpopular before and while he was being impeached, but the polls showed that the majority of Americans did not want him impeached. The reason he was impeached was because it allowed for a Republican controlled Congress to pull some theatre. They were fully aware that it stood no chance in the Senate. And, thanks to Larry Flynt, their bully tactics resulted in a major figure stepping down in the middle of it from their side.
The situation with Bush is incredibly different. His approval ratings are incredibly low. Lower than Clinton's ever were. Plus, there's polling that shows over a 50% mark for Americans that DO want to see him impeached. Thus, pursuing impeachment is not counter-productive at all. It needs to be actively pursued through investigating crimes, and not merely talking about impeachment, so that > 50% figure gets closer to 70%.
Eris @ 44:
I have my own gut feeling, nothing empirical...but with so many sheep in this country, the polls may not be accurate. There is alot of "unverbalized" unrest with this ADministration. At least that's been my personal experience, and I probably talk about this TOO much to people, and often leave myself open to really bad arguments. But the arguments have become fewer and far between. I have found that now, people look relieved when you talk about how bad things are...and that THEY can now say they feel the same way.
If impeachment was OPENLY discussed in the media, I think we would all be pleasantly surprised and the Congress AND the White House shocked by how much hate there is for this Administration. Or perhaps they already know...fact is...they poll ALL the time...and are simply trying to keep things under wraps.
Just my two cents.
For the record, Schultz was advocating going to war with Iran when they captured those British sailors.
Liberal and Proud,
Here's the problem. Assuming you are right, the problem is that impeachment is not related to national popularity. It's up to the states. We need 67 Senators to vote in favor of impeachment. We currently don't have 67 Senators willing to do that and the numbers we will have to pick up are seats that may be located in states which don't have a population so keen on impeachment yet. Frustrated with the current administration? Sure. But impeachment? Not necesarilly. Polls have not demonstrated this either. So, our best bet is to continue putting the screws on everyone involved in various scandals through congressional hearings. At some point, someone is going to screw up under the pressure and face charges for it where a deal will be cut. Bush used his one get out of jail free card with Libby at serious cost. He's not going to be able to pardon or commute sentences relating to his administration until he's leaving office, or else that may spark a move to impeach. The whole game is airing all the illegal and unethical dirt this administration has done so the public can see it truly confirmed. At that point, we'll get the addition 17 or so votes we need because people won't be willing to hang their carreers on a shamed and dying administration. Unlike the Bush admin, the rest of these guys still have future carreers in office.
Whether its 60 or 67 Senators that do or do not agree is meaningless: We the People are not required to cooperate with illegal activity.
The President and the American leadership cannot compel us -- American citizens, voters, workers -- to continue to work.
We outnumber them. Time for Americans to refuse. The President and Congress refuse to check each other and end this illegal activity: We the People may legally refuse to cooperate.
Let the 67 Senators believe they can continue this. WE the People are not required, and cannot be compelled to continue.
We the People can lawfully quit, refuse, and make the President do all the work. Illegal contractors designed to support unlawful warfare: Not enforceable. Law firms work for us; we the people do not work for the law firms.
Boxer believes this is a dictatorship. We the People are not required to recognize this dictatorship, only the lawful powers and authority in the Constitution. The President has no power to make use recognize illegally asserted power.
Eris @ 47:
The State AGs may prosecute a sitting President outside impeachment. If the Senators refuse to convict, We the People may lawfully work with the State officials to prosecute a sitting President and Vice President. Members of Congress who have been complicit with illegal activity, refused to investigate, can also be prosecuted for oath of office violations, 5 USC 3331.
We the People are not required to wait until 2008 or the voting decision. Now, today, we can work with the State officials to prosecute the leadership that refuses to defend the Constitution. yes, we can still work to remind the GOP Senators of their oath, and work for the 17 votes. But the Senate vote is not the only option.
Did that bitch wink at Mike Barnicle? If she did that to me I would have asked to to leave RIGHT NOW!! She winked at him.
At 1:40 into the video. She winked at him.
Waiting for Patraeus. If he so damn good then why wasn't he there in the beginning. He is just another horse of a different color.
"And, for the Democrats to sit around and wait to get 60 votes and then have to get - they’re going to have to get 67 cause this guy isn’t going to change.”
I'm glad Ed Schultz understands the vote count. Now, where exactly does he expect to get the additional 20 votes? Just go down to the Senate Shop and get some, perhaps as a nice box of chocolates shaped like elephants to share around?
I can't stand his show, that Special K is just as bad, both are blowhards, neither seems to do the two-and-two, and both think there is time to talk about trivialities.
But at least he gets to go on FOX.
jimbo92107 @ 31:
That's true but Middle America like the Ed Schultz types. If he can get the dumass trailer dwellers to turn on Bush I say more power to him. He is a little slow on the uptake and he would not go out on a limb unless he knew that he had the percentages behind him but at least Ma and Pa Kettle are listening to him instead of Rush.
DISCO INFERNO @ 27:
The Defeatism Party of disaffiliated leftists is incapable of noticing the gathering indictments.
"Nobody is doing anything to end the war."
That's humorous, one day after the Dem House passed the April 08 deadline for major redeployment, and after six months of intensive oversight on the prospective prosecutions over war fraud, crony failures, and the other crimes that are now in evidence.
"Give me a fucking break. No one is being held accountable not even Democrats who won't or can't fight for accountability."
Sure. That's why Harriet Miers just had to risk contempt of Congress, and Sarah Taylor just slipped and spoke of her second oath of office to Bush himself.
The legal system is blocked by AG Gonzales. The public is going to have to force him out, with the help of efforts to get a Senate contempt charge (the Senate powers are stronger). But go ahead and continue to think that only Bush's head on a chopping block is progress. That's a good day, but there are other benchmarks which you are ignoring.
Ed should have his own show. He gets 'er done and the heartland does listen to him.
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Mister Anderson is WRONG. We need to impeach AND kick that douchebag out of office. He can't gain popularity if he's NOT in office right? DUH. Every second that retard is in control this country goes farther down the shithole. STOP BEING SUCH A PUSSY Mr. Anderson. It's because of people like you who just ACCEPT this bullshit that we are in all of this mess. WAKE UP YOU FUCKIN PUSSY.
Karen Hanretty always does her Alicia Silverstone in Clueless shtick
Bush/Cheney admin. is a cancer.
Impeachment is the cure.
Laugh. Laugh. Laugh. There's not one goddamed thing that's funny about it. Impeachment is, it would seem, the only thing that may end Bush's destructive path. Laguhter doesn't enter into it.
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Mister Anderson @ 9:
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Just remember this:
The best way to ensure that there won't be 67 votes in the Senate...
Is to NOT give them an impeachment from the House, first.
Why are people gunning for the lack of votes to convict on an impeachment that hasn't even happened yet. Lets focus on the tasks at hand before us. Impeach first, convict second. Let's just finish the first step first, then take on the second step with impeachment as THE accomplishment and proof needed to convict. At least then, we'll be able to witness who are Patriots and who are Loyals. The defense of the president being evidenced by the Good Bushie Loyalists, versus the defense of America's Freedom, Justice and Liberty by the Patriots.
That is what America needs to witness so as to heal from this American experiment on societies, world wide and at home.
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Running a war based on polls? B.S. This is an illegal occupation that the majority of the American people don't care to enage in any longer. Thery're not running a war, they're amassing wealth for privelaged Americans. They need troops to keep the locals from interupting their fortune-making.
Just until September 15? Just six more months. Just around the corner. At this rate Bush's term will be up and nothing will have changed.
Re my above post: Just until September 15? Just six more months. Just around the corner. At this rate Bush’s term will be up and nothing will have changed.
That is exactly the plan, don't you think????? The Dems are turning out to be a great help too; their best ally.
It's a little chilling to see the smile on Karen Hanretty's face.
This administration wants to hang around a while longer. They have no morals, no ethics and no conscience. Regardless of how much they protest, their actions are the only things that count regarding their motives and goals. Watch them closely.
Powell HAD a lot of international credibility. Before he appeared before the UN.
Now, not so much.
Patreus (or whatever) has never even been heard of internationally. Wasn't he the sixth pick for war-scar? After all honest and decent men refused?
Get your act together americans, cause you're becoming international stock.
Laughing stock.
The patience of the world is getting thinner, every day...
http://www.hrw.org/press/2002/08/aspa080302.htm
Mister Anderson at #9
Clinton's impeachment was an unpopular witch hunt that was a waste of taxpayer money. Nobody cared that he cheated on his wife and lied to us about it. What cheatin' spouse doesn't? But we do care that Bush lied to us about the reasons for going to war, the outing of a CIA agent, negligence of Katrina victims, voter suppression, politicizing the judiciary etc etc etc. ad nauseum. A Bush/Cheney impeachment would be a very popular impeachment. They deserve that and more. There would be a sigh of relief heard around the world. This country could handle it until the next election. We can't handle any more of this administration. That's for sure.
So many folks just love to try pigeon hole Big Eddie . . . . . and every time they end up looking like an asshole. . .
I.E. mike Malloy . . .
ckerst @ 33:
But sadly this facist won't do it and neither will this mean-spirited congress, I Have a feeling that bushit has another year left to do even more damage to our country and it's gonna get even worse.
mls @ 70:
I Don't care if this adminstration gets impeached nor resigned.
Either way, they should be indicted for treason and put on death row.
"Either way, they should be indicted for treason and put on death row."
I am all for that too.
Absolutely Ed Shultz.
And the President is worse when it comes to Alberto Gonzales, Inmate #28301-015 (Libby).
Harr i diot Myers and the 1930 postal inspector. We can always make America work. The for fathers were genius. Contempt of Congress is the new game in town. Some one has a rabbit up their hat.
Ed schultz is not even a liberal. He is a conservative democrat and a schill for the democratic party. He did a anti air america rant. You can find it on youtube.
Stupid bitch needs to be duct taped to a wall... she said we can't run a war with polls, fuck her! Ed said it best; THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE TO MATTER!
Go Ed..love truth no matter where it comes from.
mls @ 74:
You want boosh and chainey to be come rappers?
Yo, peace!
I don't care if Bush and Cheney are impeached and removed from office one second before their terms end. It must happen. Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld have done incalculable damage to the moral standing of this country. If we are to even begin to repair it, we need to make it clear to the rest of the world and to history that we do not approve of this kind of criminal behavior by our leaders.
The repair process won't end with removal from office. It must continue to indictment and trial for war crimes, with all the due process and respect for civil rights that they've denied to others. The premeditated murder of just one human being will get an ordinary American put in jail for life, or in many states, executed. You don't even have to commit murder per se; a felony murder occurs when someone dies as a result of the commission of a felony. Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and the rest are responsible for the deaths of thousands of Americans, probably hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, the destruction of a country that wasn't threatening us, the squandering of nearly a trillion dollars and the pillaging of the treasury. Surely they deserve at least a few years in jail.
This guys is a labeled a Progressive? A Progressive is a person who believes America to be a bad country in every shape and form. I put zero stock into anything this man has to say. He's just another typical zealot MSNBC loves to have on to bash Bush and his adminstration. They deserve alot of criticism for alot of things. Make no mistake but there are plenty of more people out there with far more creditability. There isn't one shred of evidence that this adminstration did anything illegal. Nothing but rhetoric. If there was one piece..just one freaking piece it would have been already discovered and plastered all over every left wing newspaper in the country. Clinton wasn't treated fairly for what he did(Monica) by the left and Bush has been treated far worse what he's done(screwing up Iraq). Show me some hard evidence of wrong doing and I might change my mind.
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