Wes Clark: The Wall Around George Bush
By Nicole Belle Friday Jul 13, 2007 6:00pm
(Thanks to Logan for the vids)
Keith Olbermann spoke to Gen. Wes Clark (Ret.) on Thursday's Countdown about the bewildering disconnect between the White House and the reports coming out about Iraq and the strengthening of Al Qaeda.
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CLARK: ...I think this is an administration that has really walled itself off inside the White House. I think you got a president who fighting for his personal survival. I don't know how he's surviving without a flow of accurate information, but he is. And he continues to say things and deny the obvious. I'm sure there's some heated discussions among his aides, but I think they understand that he desires to be kept insulated and from what I've talked to, members of Congress and others, who have seen him in recent weeks and recent months. He has done everything he can to wall himself off from what we believe is the truth.








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It's also a clinically recognized psychiatric disease called "paranoid delusion".
Denial is a Drunks constant companion.
As Don Henley says: "you keep going in circles that just keep getting smaller... you wake up one morning, and half your ..." presidency is gone.
I hate to ask a rather obvious question, but I really think it is relevent, if not critical;
Uh....whom is it that is actually guarding the Nuclear Football?
You know, the portable ICBM launcher device? You do know what I am talking about here....don't you?
Clark: he desires to be kept insulated and from what I’ve talked to, members of Congress and others, who have seen him in recent weeks and recent months. He has done everything he can to wall himself off from what we believe is the truth.
Noonan: As I watched the news conference, it occurred to me that one of the things that might leave people feeling somewhat disoriented is the president’s seemingly effortless high spirits. He’s in a good mood. There was the usual teasing, the partly aggressive, partly joshing humor, the certitude. He doesn’t seem to be suffering, which is jarring.
No big surprise there... it all kinda adds up, doesn't it?
LibertyLover @ 6:
Well in the past, He has been know to relieve tennsion by beating his wife. Maybe he's indulging again.
Malaki (sp?) said today he could take or leave our help. Time to come home!
I think we would all be better off if Bush Jr. got nuttier and nuttier, but somehow was restrained from firing the nukes, until one day in a press conference he just pulls down his pants and craps on the floor in front of the podium, and then starts flinging his own poo at the journalists.
Now, the intriguing question is whether or not the journalists would stay in place and happily accept the literal poo, when previously most have been more than happy to accept metaphorical poo flung in their direction.
Sounds an awful lot like Adolph Hitler during the final days of _his war; being told just how great things were going. Historians now believe Adolph acquired his temper, early on from contracting a case of syphilis in his youth...but what is bush's excuse?
For this White House, "politics trumps policy". Everything General Clark said makes sense to me. If we can get the Democrats back in, there should/could be a role for him in government or another role in the military.
LibertyLover @ 4:
The problem is that many of our freedoms and democracy are gone, too.
http://myfightfordemocracy.blogspot.com/2007/07/new-declaration-of-indep...
It's not a healthy way to live. Poor people are spared this mental state because they can't afford to be that idealistic and one sighted.
I'm not fond of Muslims anymore than I'm fond of my own neighbors. And while I know Islam is a violent religion I don't allow myself to get caught up in these paranoid capricious delusions of spreading "Freedom" to combat it.
LAWL.... Bush dismisses the question of troop numbers as "something which will be debated by historians" whose deliberations are impossible to inference at the present. While in other conferences he confidently asserts that history will judge him as the visionary leader of the 21st century.
Fuck I hate him & his blatant double standards. I hate Rush Limbaugh too who also has a lock on what historians will think. Surely Rush can't have that much security around him & is there not someone with the balls to shoot him?
The "new Al Quaeda tape" contains only old messages from four years ago, in a montage that is made to look recent. Make of that what you will.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/07/14/bin.laden.video/index.html?ere...
15: Fuck that, I'm taking no risks. It's straight down to Wal-Mart to buy supplies. Might buy a terrorist panic room too.
Clark: "He has done everything he can to wall himself off from what we believe is the truth."
It's not what we BELIEVE is the truth - it's what we all KNOW is the truth! Why on earth can't anyone on that boob tube ever say anything concrete and totally truthful?!?!
This all goes back to Bush not caring, not worrying......puppets don't need to care or worry, when someone else is really pulling the strings. Nero and his fiddle...redux.
It seems like that when daddy quit bailing Bush out of his failures he just turned things over to the unwilling U.S citizen to bail him out. We offer to kick him and Cheney out so someone with functioning brains can take over and he thinks that things can't get worse. He will just keep fucking it up. That will be his legacy.
Wes Clark has more qualifications to be Commander-in-Chief than all 8 of our current Dem candidates COMBINED.
He was right on Iraq from Day 1. He is America's leading voice against war with Iran. He is a soaring intellect and academic. He is one of the finest geopolitical minds on the planet. On the homefront, he is a bedrock populist Progressive. And he would have more red state crossover than any Democratic nominee in modern American history. Just as there were millions of Reagan Democrats, there would be millions of Clark Republicans.
I hope for the sake of this nation that he announces his candidacy. We need him now more than ever.
nocore: Sounds like you've got a serious hard-on for this Clark fella. Why don't you marry him already??? jk, but seriously Bush is a like all geniuses - not recognised or appreciated in their time.
nocore @ 19:
SING IT NOCORE!!!! SING IT!!!!!!!! Can you imagine having Clark as president? Smart, educated, HUMBLE!!!!!! A word completely foreign to Bush and his fan club.
Eamon,
You damn well bet I do. I value wacky things like intellect and expertise and rightness.
Ever since Vietnam, Democrats have been completely ineffectual in American defense/national security discourse. Every four years, Democrats just roll over and hand the national security debate to the GOP. And right now, with three frontrunners who can make no credible claim to being national security candidates, we are primed to do it again.
Clark is so much more overwhelmingly qualified to be President of the United States than any of our current candidates, it verges on making the current crop look silly. He has greater stature, greater experience, and greater aptitude than anyone we've got running. Not that it's a horrible field. He's just that much more qualified.
Democrats would be squandering a historic opportunity to let someone like Wes Clark pass by.
Tom Wolfe is a putz
The entry under my name says that in 2003 “major news media” broadcast reports of my death and that I telephoned Larry King and said, “I ain't dead yet, give me a little more time and no doubt it will become true.”Oddly, this n...
Eamon @ 20:
So someday the man who can't speak in complete sentences will seem like a genius? Exactly how many years/decades/centuries do you predict this will take?
My Pet Goat will someday become classic literature too, I suppose.
Editor @ 10:
I second that. But this Administration has been reminding me of the third reich for a long time.
Independent investigations into 9 /11 will show just how far they went to get us where we are today
the walls of jericho were bigger and they came a tumbling down.
Eamon,
Actually, some geniuses have been recognized as such during their lifetimes.
Bush on the other hand is being seen for exactly what he is; a loser who has set a new, unbelievable standard for failure. History will record GWB as the worst ever and no one will ever come close to his degree of complete and total incompetence. He's bad, man, real bad.
Eamon, your hero, Lil' George will go down as the Worst. Ever. Period. Bank on it.
Eamon @ 14:
If he believes that, then it's what I've always thought: the worst students of history are invariably the ones trying to find the biggest place in it.
Tom A. @ 17:
You're nitpicking. The people who tend to announce that they have a monopoly on the truth are generally fundamentalists. There's nothing wrong with "what we believe is the truth." General Clark is just acknowledging that the situation is very complex with some inherent uncertainty.
listen to bush slurring his 's'-es...
anyone who has an alchoholic in the family should recognize that
RE: El-Cid #9, The first that would pop out would be Sean Hannitty's head.
Senators Wellstone & Kennedy cited Wes Clark's testimony to the House Armed Services Committee in 2002 (A debate against Richard Perle regarding invading Iraq) as a paramount reason they voted nay.
This piece by Dana Milbank revisits the first debate and highlights the second one, after the war started. note the arrogance of Perle.
-snip-
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A32440-2005Apr6.html
Sorry Wes but Dear Leader is pressing on. He and his 'base' know in their hearts that he is:
'The Greatest Conservative President in American History.'
Of this there is no doubt. So Wes...
If you can't clap louder please STFU!
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Oh that Georgie boy - just blame somebody else... IMPEACH that lying piece of shit!
That WALL is the Republican congress.
Bush was allowed to wiretap, to torture, whatever Bush wanted - the GOP Party let Bush do it - it DIDN"T even matter what conservative voters think - it only matters what Bush and Dick Cheney think.
Gore/Clark 2008 would be an unbeatable ticket!!!
OMG, at this point, debating or even listening to an ardent Bush-supporter is like listening arguing with someone that the earth is round vs. flat. I can't even do it. I believe in a diversity of opinions, but these people bring almost nothing to the table. I'll come right out and say, these people have some sort of intellectual or psychological deficiency, it isn't just a matter of different values. They are usually one of the following: unable to admit or acknowledge when they are wrong; stuck in defending a perception they acquired from parents, religious leaders, etc; or they are just not that smart.
I,m very happy Clark is nolonger working for Fox Moows,
the common denominator in everything George W Bush does is that it is allways someone elses fault.
Eamon @ 20:
I can see how you might think that (Bush is a genius) if you are dumber than he. For my money, I say get rid of the bum, and we'll decide later if he was, in fact, a genius, as you assert. I'm kinda thinking not. Or perhaps only "evil genius" (Cheney/Rove actually) that wants dictatorship and to rule and rape the planet. There, I'd agree.
Bush'll go down in history alright, with Vlad the Impaler, and Ivan the Terrible, and Hitler, and Mussolini, and Pol Pot. It ain't gonna be no George Washington crap.
I'm a war president.
I'm the commander in chief.
I'm the decider.
Um, Tommy Franks made me do it.
Edwin @ 42:
No it wont and what is funny is that they will probably have to put razorwire up around his presidential library and that would be fitting.
Cheney.
Remember when Rumsfeld was caught auto penning letters of condolence to families of those killed in action?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A10891-2004Dec18.html
That's a far cry from Wes Clark, who also defended Cindy Sheehan.
And as you can well imagine, it was not a pretty sight.
Wes is WISE. Why are the Democrats too stupid to get behind him, it's pathetic. Wes Clark has credibility. Who else does?
General Franks gets thrown under the bus.
Harley @ 48:
Ha. Just watched the whole video. Keith had the same observation.
Anyone with the desire and time to listen, Clark spoke before the HASC Oversight and Investigations Subcommittee day before yesterday on:
A Third Way: Alternatives for Iraq’s Future (Part 1 of 3)
http://armedservices.house.gov/hearing_information.shtml
The man is freaking brilliant. He still has not said he won't run, and I am happy to wait. The current field of candidates (on both sides) leaves me frightened for our country's future.
Look, Bush is batshit crazy. We all know that. Whatever he says believe the opposite.
Gawd dayum. This asshole has no problem throwing absolutely anyone under the bus does he. "Those are legitimate questions. And history will be the jusdge. And I asked those questions of Tommy Franks. Do you have enough troops to get the job done?"
What a gutless little prick
By definition, neoconservatism is a philosophy of pampered willfulness walled off from reality, attempting to project its delusions from behind those walls. The results of that attempt are self evident.
Wes is kicking ass on MSNBC
OMG, at this point, debating or even listening to an ardent Bush-supporter is like listening arguing with someone that the earth is round vs. flat. I can't even do it. I believe in a diversity of opinions, but these people bring almost nothing to the table. I'll come right out and say, these people have some sort of intellectual or psychological deficiency, it isn't just a matter of different values. They are usually one of the following: unable to admit or acknowledge when they are wrong; stuck in defending a perception they acquired from parents, religious leaders, etc; or they are just not that smart.
I choose "Not that smart". They also seem to be happy dammit! :) One seems to follow the other. Truthfully, I think they listen to pastors and others who have convinced them that the fambly values are on the Bush side, and any variance is a step right into hell. They can't or won't SEE him and his friends for what they are.
Hey what's the holdup with an impeachment dammit? What does he have to do NEXT?!!!
Doesh he have what it takesh to shucsheed? The man is drunk off his ass. Again.
seth @ 38:
That's how I feel...as if there is something wrong with them. At this point, only the damaged are still denying reality and there is no point in arguing.
a guy @ 52:
Yep, noticed that. What a jerk. I notice that most of his vetoes and threatened vetoes are now preceded by the statement, " The President's advisors have (or will) advised him to veto this bill"...
Lol. Yeah. That should take the heat off. Now it's not him, it's his ADVISORS...
Harley @ 48:
I guess that's what the Presidential Medal of Freedom was for...
Bush says General Franks said he had enough troops. What about all the other generals who said more were needed? They were forced out. Just like King George cherry picked the intelligence to "justify" the war he cherry picked the military advice he listened to. God help us for the next year and a half.
IHERENT CONTEMPT OF CONGRESS. TELL EVERY ONE TO LOOK THIS UP!CALL YOUR REPRESENTIVES .ASAP.
When the facts (about Bush and the Iraq war) don't appear to make sense maybe what's missing are more facts. My take is we've entered the terrible era of resource wars - and they're not going away soon. We've gone from surrounding countries with gas and oil (with dozens of bases - since the end of the cold war) to occupying them. Oil is so critical to the US and the world that it simply can't be overestimated. My opinion is that without control of a big piece of oil we won't stay a super-power for long, there's nothing else propping us up except a military we can't continue to afford.
Be aware.
We are, with Bush, dealing with Jocko Homo on Vicodin.
Bush's unrelenting resolve is a coping mechanism.
Some psychologists recently did a study on this. They interviewed people who caused emotional stress on others and interviewed people who were victims. The people who caused the distress felt they had just cause for their actions and most didn't have second thoughts and for the most part put it all behind them. Bullying for example. The victims on the other hand carried the emotional stress around alot longer.
What these psychologists have concluded was that Bush tends to make decisions without thinking about the impact it will have and as a coping mechanism defends his actions as rational and reasonable.
Those of us who are victims of his rationalizations can only sit around and go, "WTF?"
This is how he tends to leave office. With a clear conscience that he made the right decisions based on his principles. I wish there was some way to knock this guy off his power trip.
Did you all know he has been having secret meetings with historians and theologians to ask them how he will be viewed in history by future generations. Yes, he has been meeting with historians to discuss his legacy. Now how sick is that? I mean this guy is a legend in his on mind.
Freedom of Choice is what we had.
Freedom from choice is what we want.
Sad.
Let the retard be the decider huh?
That this spoiled rich kid who has failed at everything he's done is our president makes me hurl chunks daily.
The only way righties don't do likewise suggests they are doped up like Rush.
Thanks Rush.
Thanks rich doped up c*nts.
Tory bastards.
What part of "WES CLARK 2008" isn't completely obvious by this point?
[Tin foil hat too tight-Sitemonitor]
Fake opposition fools most of the people most of the time...
Eamon @ 20:
Speaking of someone walling themselves off from reality.
There SHOULD be a wall around Bush. And Cheney. Preferably reinforced Concrete, with maybe a small barred window, and a nice big barred wall opposite so the guards can peek in now and then as they make their rounds.
Yes, Bushco has erected the great wall against reality. Inside that wall they have faith-based methods of changing the Iraq situation:
prayers, seances, ouji boards, fortune tellers, and even a teenage girl with magic slippers continuously tapping her heels.
I encourgage everyone to read Glenn Greenwalds book "A Tragic Legacy". In a nut shell Glenn explains that because of GW's "faith" he is in fact delusional. He believes what he is doing is Good, therefore not matter how many laws he has to break, how many people he has to kill, it is essentially God's will.
He is seeking to expand his power and lessen the power of Congress. He is destroying our country. Pretty soon he'll probably declare martial law so he can be president forever. We live in very scary times my friends.
Sorry about the typos. My hands are shaking I'm so scared.
dot-connector @ 68:
Senator Feingold is a Rhodes Scholar too, now what do the conspiracy theorist make of that? Wes Clark has earned his stars by being a Soldier, Scholar, and Statesman.
I will not be fooled by fake opposition and that includes words coming from crack-pot conspiracy theorists on the net.
No.62 Chip writes:
Bush’s unrelenting resolve is a coping mechanism.
Some psychologists recently did a study on this. They interviewed people who caused emotional stress on others and interviewed people who were victims. The people who caused the distress felt they had just cause for their actions and most didn’t have second thoughts and for the most part put it all behind them. Bullying for example. The victims on the other hand carried the emotional stress around alot longer.
What these psychologists have concluded was that Bush tends to make decisions without thinking about the impact it will have and as a coping mechanism defends his actions as rational and reasonable.
Those of us who are victims of his rationalizations can only sit around and go, “WTF?”
This is how he tends to leave office. With a clear conscience that he made the right decisions based on his principles. I wish there was some way to knock this guy off his power trip.
Did you all know he has been having secret meetings with historians and theologians to ask them how he will be viewed in history by future generations. Yes, he has been meeting with historians to discuss his legacy. Now how sick is that? I mean this guy is a legend in his on mind.
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Spiritually speaking, Bush is possessed by aliens and they make his decisions. Once accomplished, Bush is oblivious to his surrounding victims.
We the victims of America should fight Bush and his cohorts with prayers.
Tick tock, tick tock, Bush is running out the clock until his miserable failure of a presidency ends. Then the Democratic president will be stuck with all of the messes that he has created.
Bush needs exorcism! LOL
We have lost even the catholic priests to the demon world as pedophiles.
This is ironic!
Bob Roberts @ 29:
This is a perfect example of why this country is in the mess it is in, not only militarily and politically. "some inherent uncertainty"......God help us with this mentality.
The problem for them is that this isn't going to disappear when they leave office and the more of a mess, the better the Democrats are going to do, so there will be little defence against legal blowback to them. Bush can't pardon anyone who gets convicted after he leaves.
The "WALL around BUSH" is NOT impossible to dismantle. If Congress does not do it job by IMPEACHING the most rigid wall "CHENEY", then the people MUST break the STONEWALLING at the CONGRESS. "Off-the-Table" PELOSI and her co-conspirator, Harry Reid and Emanuel Rahm are circling hand-and-hand with a tight grip around the EXECESSIVE EXECUTIVE BRANCH from IMPEACHMENT.
WHY? They must ANSWER! Time to do the peoples job? THEY HAVE NOT ACCOMPLISHED any of that.......instead they gave the TYRANT more fuel to burn more of our TREASURY.
We have to BREAK this STONEWALLING---BUYING TIME tactics that is affording this administration from manipulating and destroying our constitution to expand their POWER.
It is a conspiracy! They are all in it for themselves.
If they succeed, the power of the PRESIDENT and EXECUTIVE BRANCH in the future will NO longer "in balance" with the JUDICIAL and LEGISLATIVE BRANCH. THEY would have succeeded in the mission to "EXPAND" the executive branch. This tug-o-war is ALREADY happening. And only the PEOPLE CAN BREAK this activities. Our GOVERNMENT is getting out of LINE. It is time to put them in their PLACE. AMERICA belongs to the FREE AMERICANS. AMERICA is the ONE that MUST dictate our government.....NOT the other WAY AROUND.
This GOVERNMENT with the help of those at the top of SUPER CORPORATION that is pulling their STRING is NOT doing its DUTY. They are traitors LIKE JUDAS was to JESUS.
The
LandSurveyor @ 13:
If you think Muslims are a violent people, take a look at the history of Christianity. BTW: the biggest supporters of the Iraq War in this country are CHRISTIANS who think the war is great as long as other people's kids are dying.
A.Citizen @ 33:
Clark is the one I would like for President.
I wish the media would make the leap and instead of asking Bush what he said to the Generals, ask Bush what CHENEY said to Generals.
There are, I believe, protocols to declare an officer unfit for duty.
One of the symptoms of psychosis is the inability to differentiate between fantasy and reality.
As an "officer" in the military (CinC) he should be subject to this rule. If the law can't take him down, perhaps the doctors can.
E Pleb Neesta
GODISNOWHERE
Blessed are the cheese makers.
If HPV vaccination promotes promiscuity, then surely confession must promote sin.
James
Hahaha, okay, that made my day!
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