White House: DoJ Won't Be Allowed To Prosecute White House Officials Charged With Contempt
Via The Washington Post:
Bush administration officials unveiled a bold new assertion of executive authority yesterday in the dispute over the firing of nine U.S. attorneys, saying that the Justice Department will never be allowed to pursue contempt charges initiated by Congress against White House officials once the president has invoked executive privilege.
The position presents serious legal and political obstacles for congressional Democrats, who have begun laying the groundwork for contempt proceedings against current and former White House officials in order to pry loose information about the dismissals.
Under federal law, a statutory contempt citation by the House or Senate must be submitted to the U.S. attorney for the District of Columbia, "whose duty it shall be to bring the matter before the grand jury for its action." Read more...
This should come as a shock to no one. King George is once again over reaching and claiming powers he does not have. Write your House Representatives and let them know how you feel. Inherent Contempt is the only option left for Rep. Conyers, tell your rep that you want to see Harriet Miers held to account for her unlawful behavior. Remember, be nice...
Write Pelosi and get impeachment back on the table. Bush won't pay attention to anything less.
JR @ 1:
Bush won't pay attention to anything.
IMPEACH
I rather like Jonathan Turley's suggestion of trial by Congress. I adore that man.
Congress can hold trials. They used to all the time.
miss_kitty @ 6:
Yes yes, we all watched Kieth's segment.
The only trouble with it I can see though is that it could open up a pandora's box of it becoming a regular practice again, which would be... problematic.
Impeachment HAS to be an option...
J @ 6:
Thanks for the snotty gram. Maybe I don't get all of my info from the tv. Shit
I like the suggestion I heard on the radio of having them lock up Josh Bolton and Harriet Miers in the dungeon under the House and deal with it after they get back from the August break. You know, leave them enough bread and water to sustain them..
J @ 6:
If they only have to use it when there is extreme cases such as what we have here, I don't think it is something congress is going to abuse.
J @ 6:
It hasn't been a regular practice because people actually respected their oaths to the constitution and understood the value of separation of powers. This is an exceptional case of organized criminals running both the white house and the justice dept.
miss_kitty @ 8:
[Deleted. You are entitled to your views. You are NOT entitled to mock other posters for not sharing your views. In the future, express your point of view without detracting from others, please-Sitemonitor]
And I can spell 'Keith' as well as read US History, mate.
Old Billy @ 11:
I agree, and I would support it, but you if the neocons take power again they're gonna say "well if they can do it..." and go WAY overboard.
AND, Bush, despite a Supreme Court rulling, has said let the torturing commence. This man and Cheney must be impeached. It is only going to get worse. He is insane.
Um excuse me ppl living in the states. As an american living overseas, the more i read, see and hear, about GWB and his power grab, the more iam starting to think that hes becoming a DICKtator!!!!! Just when in the hell are you folks going to rise up , take it to the streets and hold your elected officals responsible for NOT doing thier jobs? I mean, to be honest, the last protest i saw that was huge was the LA march last yr , with the illegal immigration bull and bill being whipped into everyones faces, to knock you off track . Whats really important is the fact the USA has a mad man in power followed by another , whos capable of more!!
dammit,, dont you folks know you have ppl here pulling for you? but we cant do all the work. Get off your asses, set down the glasses and stop playing the Wii or ps3 and really mean some bizz! A goverment is more afraid of its ppl when they stop listening then say a ppl is afraid of its goverment when they cheer to hear more.
BUT,, do it peacefully.!
yeah, once Sheehan forces Pelosi to do the right thing, then we can start to get our country back. And if Pelosi doesn't take Sheehan seriously, then she obviously doesn't quite know what she is going to be up against - and hell, why should Pelosi protect that criminal bush anyway?
This is all just a stall....Just kick it to the courts, probably get a
bush friendly judge like the one that dismissed the Plame case yesterday...
Or, it will just grind through the system, till Bush's leaves office.
And, just remember that term that NO ONE in the judicial community could
quite put a handle on...
"Absolute Immunity"....Remember that one the floated about a week
ago..
Their strategy all along has been, shred the documents, keep it in court..
And Bush issues a blanket "Absolute Immunity" pardon for EVERYONE OF THEM, Cheney, Rove, etc, on his way out the door.
Then, since they have all made hundreds of millions from this crime family, they can fight it in court forever.
Machiavelli would be jealous of this crew....
Seriously, Gonzales must have skipped his high school government class. How can they claim this kind of executive pre-eminence if they ever intend to hold elections again? Would they even consider for a microsecond allowing a Democratic President this kind of authority?
I'm pretty sure that Bush was hanging out by the back entrance to the gym smoking reefer through most of high school.
J @ 6:
...as opposed to have an rogue executive branch that believes itself to be omnipotent? Talk about having your priorities backwards!
If we were dealing with a patient with an gangrenous leg who needs to be amputated, captain obvious would point out how walking afterwards may be problematic. Well, you may or may not have trouble with the right prothesis, one thing is certain though: you sure as fuck won't be able to walk if yer dead.
can't we just all go to washington and [Deleted], or is that illegal?
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J @ 14:
J @ 12:
[We get it when we see it or it is brought to our attention. Apparently it happened when no one was monitoring, or they thought it wasn't offensive, and/or no one alerted on it. It's strange you would bring it up now. I just checked out your last interaction with her. It wasn't that offensive, you gave as good as you got, and got the last word as well-Sitemonitor]
J @ 14:
Messed up the quotation tags, sorry.
Bush clearly only will listen to 'like' responses. He plays hardball, then hit it back at him even harder, right at him!!! Enough to make him dodge. He and his ilk will think they know how to play better (and we all know they cheat royally) but what he doesn't know are that there are more of us than there are of him/them. We can cheat too, if need be, and perhaps even play nastier and dirtier than he's even considered. We're onto him and his reactionary, constitution-trampling, finger-pointing, and petulant tantrums as Infant in Chief, so it's time for adults to show him the right way to play. Pick up that gauntlet they've thrown down, put it on (it'll fit perfectly) and summarily shove the rusting glove up his ass. I'm really sick and tired of this brat.
Pelosi and Reid have wasted so much time. It's too late.
Hmm, sorry for 22 and 24, just invert all the blockquotes until it starts to make sense.
Sounds like the next move toward a dictatorship to me.
Friar Tuck @ 16:
... and the pot just realized that it like the kettle was black also, and they lived happily ever after.....
As stated elsewhere, the ineffective dandies in Congress need to quit messing around with these goddamn subpoenas and the enforcement of the same. Once the president chose to ignore the subpoenas and chose to completely obstruct legitimate Congressional inquiries, along with the heaping bag of lies perpetrated to date, Congress must counter this flagrant "F^&*#@k You!" with an immediate commencement of impeachment proceedings, unless they are in bed with BushCo.
Congress is in the midst of power politics pissing match of the highest order with a hopelessly corrupt executive. Given this and given all the corrupt acts of BushCo Congress merely and exclusively focusing enforcing these subpoenas is akin to bringing a knife to a gunfight.
The dems' inaction indicates to me that they are waiting in '08 so that their president has an open door to abuse power so recklessly and so easily as BushCo has done. If this is the case, then inactive time will bite the dems in the ass.
Pelosi, Reid and Conyers are just going to have to change their way of thinking on impeachment or get rolled.
They threw the gauntlet down, then it should be picked up, put on our very large Uncle Sam hand, and shove the rusting thing up Bush's a**. I am tired of this brat. He needs to be taught a lesson.
abarts @ 27:
No, it's not too late. Bush and Cheney can be impeached will have the wind knocked out of them if Impeachment hearings begin.
I sent the following to my representative...I doubt it will do any good but who knows?
Dear Mr. Reichert,
According to the following news article in the Washington Post, http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/19/AR200707...,
the Bush administration asserts that their claim of Executive privilege means that the Justice Department is prohibited from bringing legal action against anyone, for any reason, who is covered by Executive privilege.
Sir, it seems to me that taking this position is tantamount to claiming that the Presidency of the United States is not an equal branch of government but rather a superior one. Indeed, these kinds of powers seem to be more reflective of a dictatorship than a democracy.
I understand that you are a Republican and that you have loyalties to this President, but it seems to me that your first duty is to uphold the Constitution of the United States and be a Representative of all the people in your district. As one of your constituents, I strongly urge you to take a stand against this seemingly out-of-control Executive branch and join with your colleagues, Republican and Democrat, to reign in this Executive Branch.
Please do not allow the foundations of our government to be crippled by an out-of-control President.
Can he do that?
abarts @ 27:
what makes you think they were wasting time, they play for the same team. They were just buying time... they have played us like a fiddle.
Summer recess is coming up just on time, Congress will leave, Bush and Cheney will get their carte blanche. We'll start the academic year with a brand new dictatorship.
I just need to know how hard must be for Reid and Pelosi to pretend to be liberals, just the laughs they must have when redacting yet another strong worded statement over at Rove's office over pizza and beer. Most democrats seem to have missed the fact that not only nothing has changed in the past 6 months, but the surge has been OK'd under dem led houses.
impeach! indict! imprison! -we have no other choice-
That god-damn son-of-a-bitch.
MeMyselfAndI @ 30:
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and what and who do you think brought down the fucking berlin wall? massive peacefull protest, day and night for yrs and yrs. and who overthrew the Ukraine goverment? ppl protesting,, etc.
seems thats out of the question in the states . Oh and since when is religion mixed with politics? Iam talking about hillary AND obama. didint the folks who left for the new world write into freedom of church and state?, isint like that anymore . You have hillary declairing jesus would be pleased and Obama saying praise the lord god.
Ummmm,,,,,,,,,,,NO! They are thumping thier bible ticket to get more votes and its sad too.
abarts @ 27:
I dunno about your second assertion, but I agree wholeheartedly with the first.
Dave Reichert? You expect "Sheriff Dave" to put up a whimper against Bush?
My advice is start working for Rodney Tom now to take out Sherrif Dave in '08!
(A fellow WA stater, though, I have Jay Inslee as my rep ;)
Breaking news. O'lielly will perform brain surgery on Bush tomorrow. Cheney will be at the reins. Be afraid, very afraid.
Impeach this thug!
WashStateBlue @ 41:
I've got Adam Smith. We should find a way to get together and work to get impeachment on the table.
Ron @ 42:
They better bring an electron microscope and an Excimer short wavelength
laser...
Performing brain surgery on Bush is a leading edge Nano_Tech experiment...
(how can you even see something that small?)
Will not be allowed? He has absolutely out-played Nixon on this one(he fired the special prosecutor)...IMPEACH. I would not be surprised if Cheney decides to slip something into the IV.
rcg @ 17:
ROFLMAO!!!
You're drunk!
impeachment is not an option. it's an IMPERATIVE.
reid and pelosi are guilty of TREASON.
Putin approves.
WashStateBlue @ 41:
Sadly, I don't expect this former law enforcement officer to uphold the law.
The rule of law has been redefined on a daily basis...
This last assertion by the Bush administration is completely, utterly, unbelievable....
Friar Tuck @ 39:
You are either very misinformed or very naive, take your pick. The Berlin wall fell because the USSR was bankrupted. Peaceful protests, other than Gandhi's campaign of peaceful disobedience have brought jack squat to the table.
If you think that interpretative dance can overcome guns, you are just another of those idiots who went jumping up and down with their witty home made signs and costumes in all those "oh, so effective" peace marches on 2003.
Wars start and end because of money and taxes (not necessarily in that order). It is only self centered spoiled idiots who think their chants are so wonderful as to be able to tame the beasts and bring enlightenment to those with dark hearts.
BTW, in case you did not get it. My comment about the kettle and the pot was about yet another person urging other people to do something while themselves do... nothing!
This is a society fucked beyond repair, and we are too afraid to look at the mirror. We have exactly the government that we deserve. Selfish, corrupt and narcissistic. That describes to a T the average American, sure there are wonderful people here. But the rot is too widespread...
The Dems are the opposite of a same coin. If Hilary wins in 2008, that will mean that 2 families have been in charge of the white house for the better part of 3 decades. That fact flies off the head of most Americans, so yeah... we get exactly what we deserve. Too stupid to pay attention...
Ron @ 44:
And I have Jim McDermott-Baghdad Jim! My Hero...
Look, I want to be rid of these corrupt SOBs as much as anybody - more than most - enough that I am going to be incredibly relieved if it doesn't take bloodshed to oust em in 09.
But somebody please tell me how we are going to get 67 votes to remove the fascists in the US Senate. In other words, which 17 fascists - who wouldn't even support a mild censure motion against Gonzolez - are going to vote to impeach the Fuhrer?
What happened to all the calls for impeachment of Gonzolez when the censure motion failed? Heard much about that lately? Want to hear chimpy crow about vindication? Want to establish a precedent that effectively legalizes every crime committed by Bush and Cheney which is exactly what a failed trial would accomplish?
Think it through and get back to me.
This is nothing short of an outrage. The unmitigated arrogance of these people is without equal in the course of human history.
This Country is founded on the concept of three co-equal branches of government. GWB can assert he is an elected King with the infallabilty of a Pope - but that does not make it true. Have the Sargent at Arms arrest these skells and lock them in a broom closet until they decide to comply with the legal request of congress.
By the way, there MUST be some serious malfeasance lurking in this story. Even these bastards realize that if this argument carries the debate a democrat will be able to wield the power of the unitary executive with complete immunity from the meddlesome congress.
miss_kitty @ 53:
Wow, so Bush thinks by declaring 'executive priviledge' that it makes him untouchable, above the law. Bush can do anything because of executive priviledge and there isn't a damn thing congress or anyone else can do about it. Bush is officially a king now.
Sweeet... if this is true sure is gonna be fun watching the next president Hillary Clinton with the same 'executive priviledge'. Can't wait to see all those Bush loving retards when they realize that they can't do shit anymore.
BREAKING NEWS!!!!!!!!!
New York (AP) After President's George W. Bush Colonoscopy doctors held a news conference to announce they have found numerous items in his colon but refused to release any details. Anonymous source have said they have found Connecticut Senator Joseph Leiberman's (I) nose in the President'c colon. Also found was a wedding ring believed to be that of Lynne Cheney the wife of Vice President Dick Cheney who it was given to. Asked why would the ring would be in the President's colon the source said "there have been claims that Bush has been used as a puppet for the VP's policies for years".
In a press briefing later in the day Tony Snow confirmed that there were no WMD's found in Bush's colon although there seemed to be some evidence of presidential hopeful John McCain's head may have been inside of the President's colon as recently as Monday July 16, 2007.
We contacted Senator Mitch McConnell (R) to ask him if he had any information on these reports and he had no comment. His press secretary released a statement saying that she is aware of the situation and "we are doing research into the colon....claims to see to what we can find". McConnell has extensive knowledge and access of the Presidents colon.
As of this writing the the DNC has not made any comments and no Senator would speak on camera although Senator Jim Webb (D) was seen snickering.
Ron @ 44:
I think Bush and Cheney would RELISH an impeachment attempt, it's just the distraction; they need....They and all the other Republicans would LOVE it, cause they need SOMETHING to talk about besides their failed administration....
It's pointless, too many Southern DINOS in the house....
and the Senate is too closely balanced. It's a fools game to even try.
I think, start filling Lawsuits against them, thousands of freedom of information
acts, at least TRY to stop the document shredding and E-mail deleting they are doing to cover their tracks?
In 08 we will have STRONG majorities in both Houses of Congress, and we can start unraveling their crimes.
I know that makes me in the minority here, but impeachment is not an option.
There simply are not enough votes.
jdw @ 57:
They lost my post again. I went to a McDermott funraiser where Bill Clinton spoke in Seattle.
miss_kitty @ 53:
He works in my girlfriends building downtown.
I love Jim, he's been a beacon in the house for years!
MeMyselfAndI @ 52:
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oh thats right,,,,,,,,,,,,silly me,, ERUOPE IS NOT AMERICA!!!!!!
thank god for that too!
so you enjoy your sour bitter ass half life living as a fucking moron who knows what life in another country is all about. Read what american press writes about Eruope and then from there make your own conclussions.
Let me tell you this moron,, i HAVE more freedom here, then i ever did in the states!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
oh and i do own a hand gun too, its just not that i can wave it around whenever someone pisses me off.
So wallow and bray from far away, for its ppl like you, that are sinking america fast and dont even know it.
with that,,,,,,,,,,,,,,a fine
FICK DU AUCH!!!
It sounds like The President is quickly marshaling his executive powers and is going to declare Congress illegal and claim it's power for himself. When people say constitutional crisis, they are saying that our American form of government is about to cease to exist. We are a few executive orders away from a dictatorship.
UnEasyOne @ 54:
It is called politics for a reason, the point is not wether or not the impeachment will be follow by a positive trial in the senate. The point is to put the ball exactly where it belongs, on Bush/Cheney's roof. If you state the message and bring light to their abuses, no matter whether or not they have enough votes to be scott free, their power will annulled because they will be put under a microscope. Which would be the whole point of the exercise.
There is no chance in hell that either of these crooks will see jail, however the next best thing is neutralize their power. Saying "I'm gonna tell on you" over and over is not the best approach, in my not so humble opinion.
Fortune only smiles on the daring not the timid. With these Dems we are fucked.
Here's another possible event that could happen if nothing is done about this broad claim:
Say, in November 2008, 99.9% of the vote on Diebold voting machines all goes to Fred Thompson, who wins the popular vote in a landslide despite the fact that a majority of voters in exit polls declare they had never voted for him.
Bush, w/ his new executive power, declares Diebold offlimits to Congressional investigation and Thompson takes to the White House in 2009. This is possible in Congress does not check the President's power.
The President is not ABOVE the law, his job is to ENFORCE the law!
WashStateBlue @ 59:
There doesn't have to be enough votes. All the house needs to do is bring it up for discussion and have debates on all the charges so the sheeple and the media pay attention. Then, by the time they vote on it there may be more support in the senate. More importantly, if the impeachment proceedings are out there, the administration won't be able to claim executive privalege for witnesses brought forward.
UnEasyOne @ 54:
There is more than one way to skin a cat. You begin impeachment proceedings, with the public watching at every turn, and build your case, step by step. Along the way, you highlight to the public Bush and Cheney's crimes, their excuses, and let he Republicans and their constituency know exactly who sides with Bush/Cheney and supports their actions, and who doesn't.
It is not in the interests of the Republicans who are up for election in 2008 to be on record supporting/condoning what Bush/Cheney have been doing. They want to save their own hides and keep their job, come next election.
Remember: Rome wasn't built in a day. Nixon didn't resign the day impeachment proceedings began. If done smartly, the Dems can build a case with the public watching which will eventually force the Repubs to vote to impeach and convict.
It all begins with a single step. So contact Pelosi and keep the pressure on, people, and before it's too late. It's only going to get worse with Bush.
This is in itself an obstrcution of justice. Whoever doesn't follow the law whether the AG or the U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia should be impeached on the spot if he doesn't lawfully carry out his job.
If Congress won't do this then they should realize, even republicans, that they may as well pack their bags and go home because they have no further function in this government. This isn't republican vs. democrat; this is executive vs. legislators. Republicans, wake up. You are losing your power. How stupid can you be? Fight this tyrannical executive now, so you won't be summarily dismissed into the dark night later.
There have been a number of showdowns like this before, the succession of southern states which of course led to the American Civil war, plus in1993 a conflict between Russian President Boris Yeltsin and the Russian parliament lead by Ruslan Khasbulatov, which resulted in a military siege of the parliament building and street fighting, claiming 187 lives. Aleksandr Rutskoy assumed the powers of the Acting President of Russia for a few days. A few are handled well other result in coups that change that country forever. The only thing I am wondering is why do the Republicans feel comfortable passing this much power to subsequent Presidents? Do they know something we don't know? What is really happening in September? I think with the help of SCOTUS, the DOJ and General Petraous they are going to announce marshall law and name Bush President for as long as the war on terror is still happening. Remeber the bigger the lie, the bigger the power grab the less people will notice until it is too late. Then we can protest in the streets until the Repubstapo comes along and ships us off to the Liberal camps.
Friar Tuck @ 16:
Agreed! But you are preaching to the choir. Try arguing your point on a Wingnut website; the rest of us think impeachment is long overdue, and we're working on it.
rcg - yeah, once Sheehan forces Pelosi to do the right thing
@Swashbuckler - ROFLMAO!!! You’re drunk!
rcg - I wish I was! But I was... kidding. I'd be surprised if Pelosi backed down; however, Sheehan could still cause her mucho trouble if she manages to get financial backing.
Btw, folks, if this latest action means what I think it means, then we now have an open rogue administration. IMHO, if these people do not submit to congress, then the rule of law is over - completely. bush can do anything-he-wants. Our Democracy is toast and Martial Law cannot be far away. We're in trouble. Serious trouble.
As long as the Secret Service is loyal to King George II, he's not claiming powers he doesn't have. (At least, not by Mao's or Stalin's definition of political power.) Remember the Emperor Caligula and his Praetorian Guard? Bottom line: whomever controls the Praetorian Guard controls government.
I would suggest that, after having gone through all the legal tests, Congresses's last option is to cut off funding for the Secret Service.
IMPEACH NOW
For Cryin' Out Loud.
What do these thugs need to do to get the impeachment started?
What haven't they done? I'm afraid to see what's next.
BTW here is an article form a bona fide Republican who does favor impeachment.
http://www.counterpunch.org/roberts07162007.html
My question remains: has anyone calling out for impeachment (and even calling Reid and Pelosi traitors for not immediately pursuing it) considered the implications of a failed Senate trial or better still, figured out how to get all the Democrats and 17 Republican Senators to vote to remove Bush from office?
Nobody out there is madder than me or more fearful for our democracy. I'm crippled up now or I'd be out in the streets - as I was in the Vietnam era. Ultimately, I think that - masses - millions of Americans in the streets is the only thing that can make a difference. If you ain't willing to put your body on the line nothing is ultimately going to happen. Period.
If you aren't willing to fight for your rights, they are history and someday you can say you were part of the generation that surrendered to fascism.
I can say I was part of the generation that brought the US government to it's knees, forced the first would be fascist dictator out of office and forced an end to the Vietnam war. What will you tell your kids?
My senators and rep are all Democrats. It does no good to write them. The dictatorship is a fait acompli. If Americans don't like it, we can emigrate. Period.
Inherent Contempt is the only option left for Rep. Conyers
That's not true.
He can just jump to the impeachment of Dick(head) Cheney and then GW Botch.
Congress can correct this problem without going before the SCOTUS!
Hell, they can actually impeach Supreme Court justices for failing to support and uphold the Constitution!
Is this the equivalent of the Nuremberg Laws? By that, I mean, he is showing his true mettle?
I have sent this letter to several congress members and Senators.
http://myfightfordemocracy.blogspot.com/2007/07/new-declaration-of-indep...
If we DON'T take action that means that ANY president can do anything s/he wants -- just like Saddam Husien -- and not be accountable to any government body.
If we DON'T take action, we have in essence, allowed this failure of a president turn our democratic republic into a DICTATORSHIP!
It IS that simple!
[Edited. Please don't make your post ALL Bold. Thanks-Sitemonitor]
Does anyone know how many votes it takes to convict under an inherent contempt trial?
""The position presents serious legal and political obstacles for congressional Democrats, who have begun laying the groundwork for contempt proceedings against current and former White House officials in order to pry loose information about the dismissals.""
why is everything they due serious and all pervading. it's portrayed that way.
like he's some kind of god or something. they definitely didn't treat Clinton like
that. by "they" i mean the media. i don't know much about these things. but
they need to cut the head off at the justice department.
dixie blood @ 76:
Get real! They couldn't even get 60 votes for cloture to censure Gonzolez! Where the hell do you think they are gonna get 67 votes in the Senate to remove anybody!
Can we impeach Le baguette? I mean Dick? He is taking over while they dig his boss' ass. Sounds, easy. Pelosi will take over right away! OK. I'm delirious. Can't sleep. It's simply the struggle between the "Have" against the "have nots". We know that already! What makes it worst...is the fact that the "have nots" are becoming the body guards of the "have". After all, they paz good. Besides tht, there is no democracy, or republicans, or peace, or men of good will. It's money and those two I mention above. Oh! and freedom? You remember what JANIS JOPLIN said? Right? Good song too!
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i think there should be a plan in place in case some sort of martial law is enacted.
some plan to rush the white house, by thousands and thousands of people.
take the crawford ranch or whatever. let there be no refuge. maybe they could hide in a
military mountain in colorado. but there should be some generalized plan. that we are all going to act without hesitation. the sooner the better. you have to put a stop
to these things early. nip it in the bud so to speak.
A nation wide strike will do it. A whole month. Stay home. Everybody! Of course the 30% supporters will lose millions in this mess. Might force the decider to resign. What a joke!
carefulwiththatAXEeugene Says
I bet FEMA is already making plans!
I thought the Constitution gave us THREE CO-EQUAL Branches of Government. How can the Executive Branch dictate to the Judicial Branch. It's time for impeachment.
Mike @ 69:
Do they know something we don't know? What is really happening in September? I think with the help of SCOTUS, the DOJ and General Petraous they are going to announce marshall law and name Bush President for as long as the war on terror is still happening. Remeber the bigger the lie, the bigger the power grab the less people will notice until it is too late. Then we can protest in the streets until the Repubstapo comes along and ships us off to the Liberal camps.
This country will have three social casts: Thw wealthz, the religious and the workers. That's what they want!
if some gulf of tonkin incident occurs and his executive orders are put in place
to claim absolute power. i say buy your plan ticket, drive your car, ride your
bike, ride the rails, walk. do what ever you have to do to get to washington. things at that point will probably get really expensive really quick. people will start stocking up on supplies.
there will probably be violence, because people may be trippin pretty hard.
IMPEACHMENT is now the only Option Period....
So ... pelosi get off your ass and do what the Constitution prescribes or resign.
if bush claims absolute power. you will probably see emergency summits of other countries organizing too resolve a world meltdown. we may not see it here. i would assume a media
blackout. the internet may shut down. cell phone towers may shut down. all under the guise of martial law and as a response to the "gulf of tonkin" (it may also me genuine) event.
am i going way "out there"??? my imagination is running with this??? tripping?
"""An Internet entrepreneur who last month bid for a stake in Dow Jones Co. on Friday made a new offer aimed at helping controlling family shareholders find an alternative to an offer from Rupert Murdoch's News Corp."""....RAW STORY
the battle of the midfield wages before our eyes.
This is BIG MEDICINE ! ! !
carefulwiththatAXEeugene @ 93:
mindfield ........fucking spellcheck!
I've been wondering why Cheney & Co. would spend 6-1/2 years amassing all this power knowing they'd have to give it up in another 18 months. The Bush family is backing Fred Thompson, who had a reputation of being lazy (remind you of anyone?). Could he be their front man? I feel that they are always three steps ahead of our elected Democratic officials. Maybe our legislators should forget their August vacations and attend to business.
I always thought that those who say that Bush and his cronies plan on staying in power indefinitely were crazy or over the top. But would they set this kind of precedent if they thought that the Democrats would get executive power next year and could do the same or worse?
carefulwiththatAXEeugene @ 92:
garcia @ 85:
Nope, Eugene - you are on the right track. Congress is hamstrung by the balance in the Senate. Only mass action by the people has a chance of forcing action by congress. Only when millions of outraged citizens take to the streets in protest will we be taken seriously. But watch for agents provocateur (who will incite violence to justify violent suppression) and be peaceful - but expect bloodshed. These thugs won't go quietly.
A nationwide strike isn't the first step though. Organize marches first to gain support and build momentum. Hold rallies. Circulate impeachment petitions. ACT!
When it's time for a nationwide strike you'll know.
rcq@71
Btw, folks, if this latest action means what I think it means, then we now have an open rogue administration. IMHO, if these people do not submit to congress, then the rule of law is over - completely. bush can do anything-he-wants. Our Democracy is toast and Martial Law cannot be far away. We’re in trouble. Serious trouble.
I completely agree and maybe sooner than we think. I hope I'm wrong, but I honestly believe that we are looking at Martial Law before this year is over. I did not think BushCo would have the unmitigated gall to openly declare himself dictator this soon;obviously I was wrong. When you add this along with the new EO about freezing anyone's financial assets that "the decider" deems a terrorist for speaking out against the war in Iraq and coming war with Iran , then it looks to me as though things will come crashing down on us this September instead of next year. Christ I hope I'm wrong.
The Whitehouse is laying a trap for the Congress and the Democrats. We will know what the trap is after the Republicans gain a landslide victory in 2008 for President, Senate, House, and the conservative appointment of one more Supreme Court justice.
Democrats won't know what hit them. To bad Democrats and Progressives can't figure out now what is being planned.
It's official.
Bush is now the Psychopath-in-Chief.
With Dick Cheney becoming Acting Psychopath-in-Chief tomorrow while Bush is out during his rectal examination.
Why do I have a really bad feeling about tomorrow?
JR @ 1:
Back on the table? It was never on the table. Pelosi said so.
The Oracle @ 101:
uncle wally @ 21:
It's America that needs the rectal examination. Bush and Cheney have fucked us since 2000.
Votes for impeachment are recorded votes, so anyone who votes against impeaching Bush, Cheney, or Gonzales (the big three and the ones most in need of replacing) will have to justify their votes to their constituents come Nov '08.
Sure, we may lose this round, but the groundwork can be laid to remove from Congress those who voted to continue this unconstitutional, illegal and immoral administration. There is no peaceful way to remove these people quickly (unless Larry Flynt can dig up a lot of dirt in a hurry to force them to resign).
We have to think about the long term, friends. If we sit back and complain that there aren't enough votes to be successful so it isn't worth the bother, then we will have this same bunch (or 97% of them, anyway) in there for the next Congress. WE must make them understand a few things: 1) They work FOR us and are accountable TO us; 2) Part of their job requirement is to take an oath to support and defend the constitution. If they are failing to do that (and they are), then by not requiring them to begin impeachment proceedings against an administration that has used the constitution as toilet paper, we are effectively saying the oath means nothing at all; and 3) It's the morally correct thing to do, and not doing it is morally wrong.
Alright, again we have the Repubs testing the bounds of what they can get away with. What do you do with kids who try the same? You put them in their place, put limits on them. The Repubs think...no, they know that the Dem congresscritters will let them get away with it, as the Repubs have always won this game of chicken in the past.
Your turn, Dems. Show me you can put these childish criminals in their place. I will accept nothing less, which should not sway you except there are many more like me who are tired of the Dems letting Repubs run all over them. Prove I am right for sticking by you so far.
kerplunk @ 100:
Kerplunk, you're an idiot. The white house is laying a trap for all Americans. I know you see it, but why don't you care? do you hate your fellow Americans (and Freedom and Democracy too) that much?
Not elected by a majority, but appointed by political maneuvering = Not elected by a majority, but appointed by political maneuvering
Curtails civil liberties in response to the Riechstad fire = Curtails civil liberties in response to 9/11
Blitzkrieg = Shock and Awe
Concentration Camps = Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib, and Secret Prisons
The SS = Halliburton and Blackwater
Poland = Iraq
Twists science to promote Eugenics and Aryan race supremacy = Rejects science for Creationism and fundamentalist Christianity
Joseph Goebbels and the Ministry for Public Enlightenment and Propaganda = The Fox New Channel
The claiming of 100% power in a single office = The claiming of 100% power in a single office
I could keep going and going and going.
When do we come to the conclusion that it's too late? That the America we've been told we live in and have to protect at all cost has been gone for a very long time?
IMPEACH!
http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Articles3/Jayne_Hitler-Bush.htm
tick tick tick....t...i...c...k... the sound of the clock running out on democracy. Arm yourselves and prepare for sectarian violence. General work strike will never work the people are too soft. Airforce is already christianized, freemasons and fundos are ready to move on Bush's marching orders.
[deleted--do not advocate even implied violence]
Haliburton already built those detention center and they already have a martial law act ready to go if there were an uprising. This looks like contempt for the American people folks. Get ready! Time for a Revolution and time for a change. The orange shirt will be for the impeachment attire. I would start wearing that.
Putting pressure on Corporation that sponsor and bribe our senator and congressmen.
All it would take is for something to happen within our borders that could be blamed on Al Quidea for Bush to declare Marshal Law... Congress has already approved him the power to assume all powers of the government under those conditions. Problem with that is there is no "end period" of that power until the president, Bush, declares an end to Marshal Law. Congress would be powerless. Even if procedures of impeachment, or hearings in Congress (such as inherent contempt) were being held, if I am correct all of that would be suspended as long as Marshal Law was in effect... again leaving Congress powerless. So when you hear "I have a gut feeling" fear warning of an attack coming from our Homeland security head, I think that really was a warning being issued to Congress to back off before something really serious happens. We are all screwed!
Erik @ 107:
I think you forgot a couple:
Hitler's Youth = College Republicans
Fatherland = Motherland
Jews = Muslims
Communist = Liberals
Gott mit uns (god with us) = A nation under god
Untermensch = Mexicans
I would contend that there is no correlation between Poland and Iraq. At least the nazis at some point had some sort of military successes, I think that Boosh et al are so incompetent the they jumped straight to their Stalingrad, i.e. Iraq. Also trains ran on time, and he built a fantastic health and transportation systems, and for the most part a lot of Germans were better off that under the Weimar Republic, which is the little dirty secret of why most of the population complied with that monster 70 years ago.
In fact I would make the case that these assholes are more closely related to the crumbling roman empire post Pax Romana. The 90s will be likely be recorded as our Pax Americana. Ironically a lot of the fascist elements were modeled after Roman and classic institutions/ideas. In fact the term Fascio, is the representation of the idea that "united we stand, divided we fall" I was amazed that flew over most people's heads after 9/11. The media was chanting this night and day, and this is the fascist mantra... also the naming of "homeland department" was accepted by a majority of people, again never thinking twice about the implications of such name.
Our time is up, it is time for Europe and China to reclaim what their perceive their natural order of things.
After you write your letter.... go out and buy some extra ammo while it's still on the market.
For crying out loud Someone needs to quickly spring for some bj's so the impeachment proceedings can finally start.
>Hanging head, shaking head slowly left to right, thinking "WTF?!"
SO they're finally going to try to find out just what it is that this idiot's got shoved up asshole for the last 8 years.
uncle wally @ 21:
my bad sir, won't do it again.
Amazing. 115 posts and not one of them mentions what this is. Wheather or not the Justice department is instructed by congress to perform its constitutional duties, when the President instructs the Justice department to ignore it's constitutional duties that is literally OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE. Anytime an official instructs a subordinate to ignore the law or break their oath of office, that is called CONSPIRACY. And of course the president breaks his oath to uphold the constituion when he instructs any department to ignore its duties under the constitution.
Instead of fighting about black kettles and pissing off the retarded site monitor, demand impeachment.
IMPEACH! IMPEACH! IMPEACH the fuckers NOW!
A quick comment on an earlier one about 2 families controlling the White House for 3 decades...
This is pretty indicative of the unfortunate cult-of-personality/celebrity atmosphere politicians have become enveloped in due to the massive push to cover their management of our country the same way they cover fame icons who all yearn to hold everyone's interest for as many decades as possible. Americans no longer separate political issues from the practice of "fandom," wherein it is appropriate to expect to see your favorite artist continue to sell many records for decades to come... The "allure" of familiar faces with memorable backstories is overshadowing people's contemplation of the same people running the show for too long.
As much as the nation is need of a [positive] shock in a candidate, we do not want to be shocked, just like fans always complain when they see something too "out of the ordinary" in whatever they're idolizing, even though they idolize it for unpredictability. So anyone who seems to be willing to speed things up a bit, given how long we've dragged out ineffectual country management, is going to go down... But I think things could be worse in Hillary's case. The people under her could be a great crew...
Andre@118, this Bush/Clinton 30 years somewhere on the ticket has bothered me very much. It doesn't have to be Hillary and hope it isn't. Icky people all at this point. Don't forget the first incestuous creepout was the bush occupation. Still is. Clinton followed suit of her own volition. All of them bought their way in. None of these people are particularly uh, beloved or chosen except bill clinton who was first to screw us with NAFTA and kick young mothers out on the street in a complementary nod to repugs.
As for the rest I think Pelosi will be the sacrificial lamb in all this. She needs to get real with Cindy Sheehan who is so human and wonderful yet could really cause some damage where nothing positive comes of it. Like Lieberman, she'll siphon off Pelosi's votes and california will get a monster of a repug senator.
Revolution, Absolutely. 30-day national strike, absolutely. I liked UnEasyOne@98s comment best of all, it has weight to it...
"When it's time for a nationwide strike you'll know". Perfect.
Nationwide strikes would be the logical next step if Democrats refuse to do their job. If this administration refuses to comply with their oversight requirements, citizens should also be entitled to follow suit and refuse to comply with their labor and civic duties.
If people in the administration can say "fuck you" to the citizens and taxpayers in this nation, who are their employers BTW. I believe it is necessary for us to show these assholes that a few million of us can also play the same game.
If half of the workforce refused to work on Monday, every single member of the elites would feel it. It is when the sheep realize that there is more of them that the wolves shit in their furs and start running to the hills. 100+ million strong strike is too massive for intimidation (economic, firings, police, army, etc) to work at any level, and the damage to the wealth of the people at the top of the food chain would be too massive for them to ignore.
Educate, communicate, mobilize, open your mouth and show your teeth!
And bring the US Attorney for the District of Columbia up on contempt as well, and disbarr him/her. The words are clear. The law says “whose duty it shall be to bring the matter before the grand jury for its action." "Shall" is not may, or might, or maybe. It is black letter law, there is no ambiguity. To fail to zealously advocate for one's client is an ethical violation. The people are the USatt's client, the directions are clear, he/she must act.
Why does everyone keep screaming IMPEACH....when we know damn well its never going to happen!! What the hell is wrong with all of you!? Do you not get it yet? Or, are you just venting.......
SpankyTheMonkey@122, Easy. One by one people are 'getting it', but I do wish our beloved Cindy Sheehan would get it. Taking Pelosi's CA votes won't solve a thing and there goes Pelosi's hard-won decades-long skill and sophistry that we require so badly at this time.
I wish Cindy would be sat down and have the reasoning explained to her. Naive tho she is she is also quite intelligent enough to be receptive to the 'whys' behind the congress's actions or lack thereof. The last thing we need is some Wild Child destroying the sandcastle.
If things keep going in the same direction I fear we may see "Goose-stepping" become the all the rage.
Its amazing how people on this website believe they have a opposition party. They BOTH want to stay in Iraq because the defense contractors and the banks demand it and they BOTH will not disobey their masters(thats why nothing gets done, the public IS on the side of ending the war so there is NO risk in de-funding). When this war finally ends after the masters give the ok, the American people will be in much higher debt, the media will wave flags and squawk patriotic nonsense then the public will go back to sleep with a FAR higher debt and loss. (A harder life)
If Shrub goes through with this (probably) phony threat, then he would have violated his oath of office to enforce the laws of the USA and would be subject to impeachment, as would all his cronies.
effective national strikes aren't going to happen unless some prominent democrats in congress call for it.
as for pelosi not seeking to impeach bush & cheney because she is concerned about having the appearance of a conflict of interest that is absolute bullshit too
1. We all know that they are criminals of the worst kind - the public knows this
2. if you think that a republican in her position wouldn't be going for it, you are a fool
3. And this is the most important of all. the very survival of our democracy may very well depend on it.
F*CK Pelosi, and Cindy and everyone else should be giving her pure hell to do her job - damn, don't you fools yet realize the stakes?!!!!
I am sick and tired of you progressive apologists making excuses while our democracy goes down the drain - if you wont get off your asses and fight - then get the F*ck out of the way
if (Democrats had backbones)
...."Well, I guess if we can't get your cronies to testify, we'll just have to
....settle for your testimony at your first impeachment trial."
else
...."OK, you win again."
E Pleb Neesta
GODISNOWHERE
Blessed are the cheese makers.
If HPV vaccination, contraception and sex-ed promote promiscuity,
then surely confession promotes sin.
Attn Pelosi & Reid:
When will you decide enough is enough?
I hope and pray it's before Busholini TOTALLY destroys this country.
Note, the President isn't arguin tghat the people are innocent, but that "nobody" can enforce the law. Time for the State AG's to do what the President refuses to allow US Attys to do: Enforce the law against US government officials outside impeachment, outside Congress: State level prosecutions to enforce the law.
Without an enforcement mechanism, the States are being deprived of their Constitutional guarantee to a Republic. This is illegal, and the States have the power to act: Reserved powers in Amendment 10 to enforce the US government guarantee to the States.
George W Bush you are a walking deadman
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